If you're wondering what's the best acheron teams ft. jiaoqiu it would be E0: Robin > Pela > Black Swan => Sparkle E2: Robin => Sparkle > Pela > Black Swan
So in sum: Dotcheron with Kafka + Black Swan has DoT as the main damage source, and while Acheron benefits a lot from those, her damage is diminished. But with Black Swan + Jiaoqiu, Acheron's damage comes back to the spotlight while also allowing for a decent DoT performance. Did I get that right?
@@blancka4200 I feel you man. I really want to pull Feixiao and her lightcone, but Jiaoqiu here is being a thorn I am unable to determine whether I want to pull for him for the meta or stick to the principles and pull for characters I really want only...
@@necasa4919 having a well built meta team can allow you to save jades for character you want much easier in the future so if you feel like your acheron needs a buff,pull for jiaoqui and hope for the best(you do have to be patient but every character gets a rerun eventually)
@@necasa4919 :painpeko: On second thought, pulling for JQ+BS would be a better choice mp. Bcoz Fei's rerun wouldn't be that far ahead. But Black Swan's rerun might take a lotttt of time
Is Acheron JQ Kafka really that bad compared to these 2 pairings? It would be amazing if you could please do a showcase, as I am planning on pulling for JQ but is unsure if pulling Kafka would be worth it without black swan.
Might be late but Kafka doesn't provide anything to amplify Acheron's damage aside from generating stacks for Acheron (like every Nihility does) and fulfilling her abyss trace requirement.
Definitely a great team with Tingyun and Huohuo being a battery to Yunli allowing her to spam her ults and Jiaoqiu's permanent debuff allowing your Yunli to consistently make use of the 50% overall vulnerability debuff (including the ult vulnerability for Yunli's cull counter since it is considered ult dmg)
i know its about kafka and JQ but I love speed gallagher with multiplication and ER rope. basic, basic, basic, ult, basic, basic. he just prints SP for days. QPQ is still BiS on him imo.
Question about Jiaoqiu & Aventurine LC : with his Signature LC, Aventurine can apply a Debuff on his Counter-Attack. Is this compatible with Jiaoqiu stacks or does it cancel it ?
@@cornflakebutsilly OK, thank you ! I guess, that will be my team then. With the crazy Triple Banner they want to use, really need to plan carefully. Probably skip Robin/Kafka/BlackSwan in case there is Acheron/Aventurine/XXX afterwards... (need Acheron LC, Avneturine, Aven. LC !)
Well tbf with JQ you could run S1 Aventurine just fine since Jq is sp neutral, Black Swan is positive and Aven itself is mostly positive. Aside from that that's a great comparison
If anyone sees this, I am a newish player who needs some advice Does Acheron, Black Swan, Jiaoqiu, Aventurine work as a team. That’s what I’m thinking of putting together one day just wondering if it’s good
Man, I'm a 2.1 player so I've been waiting ever since to get Kafka and Black Swan. There's no way I can get them both if I get Jiaoqiu for my Acheron but it's been very tempting.
Black Swan's arcana are just way too strong for DoT, so if you wanna ramp up DoT then Black Swan's the way. Kafka + Jiaoqiu may be able to stack Acheron faster for sure, but the DoT will suffer. Jiaoqiu's multipliers are not that high at E0, so his own DoT plus Kafka's can only go so far.
@@necasa4919 I still find it weird comparing a enabler to a support. Except detonating dot Kafka don't help much in the team unlike bsw who is the support in the first team. Aka one team is with 1 DPS 1 sub DPS and 1 support while the other team is with 1 dps and 2 support
Acheron in the standard DoT team loses a lot of buffs she gets from other sources, like Pela, Guinaifeng, Bronya, Sparkle, etc. It's obvious that a character that benefits both Acheron and Black Swan at the same time (the latter not as much as Kafka but still), was going to perform better.
@@Zangeus Nope for one ToTUM doesn't stack with JQ's ult Debuff ( other then bosses with 2 actions ) and second Gallagher is her BIS sustain because of the amount of Debuffs he can do. Only E2S1 Aventurine surpass him with stack generation.
Hoyo did me dirty. They are planning to rerun rerun Robin AND topaz next patch, after like 2 patches. I saved my guranteed for Jiaoqiu and everything, and now this. Can anyone help???!!!!
It depends on what you want, do you want to make acheron stronger? Get jiaoqiu, but if you want to get into fua comps and be more flexible for other comps as well then get robin and skip jiaoqiu. Robin also works with majority of teams currently and can also make your acheron team stronger by putting her there +1 nihility. So tldr, if you like jiaoqiu then get him since he is a nice upgrade in acheron, but robin has higher value overall and plus jiaoqiu is most likely going to rerun quicker than the next robin after 2.5 so yeah if it were me then robin is the choice.
@@mike_ewulwe’ve had this leaks for a while now and multiple leakers have said it’s true so when a few people with nearly 100% reliability are saying the same thing ya have to wonder. But nonetheless we’ll know b4 his banner is over so if people are on the fence just wait a week or so after his banner drops for the Drip to see if the next 5 Star is our rapper and that pretty much proves it.
I wouldn't really qualify Acheron/Jiaoqiu/BS as a dot team since Jiaoqiu is more of a debuffer than a dot unit. Its a hypercarry team with Acheron as main dps and BS/Jiaoqiu as Acheron's buffers (they're debuffers but they act as buffers since they amplifie Acheron's damage and give her stacks) While Acheron/Kafka/Bs is a real dot team because it's three units that basically all act as sub dps that work well with each other
Jiaoqiu. Black Swan's debuffs doesn't do much for Acheron. And her own damage lacks without other DoT units or a DoT Driver. She's just slightly stronger than an E4 Guinaifen on Acheron+Pela. Whereas Jiaoqiu+Pela on E0 Acheron is just insane.
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If you're wondering what's the best acheron teams ft. jiaoqiu it would be
E0:
Robin > Pela > Black Swan => Sparkle
E2:
Robin => Sparkle > Pela > Black Swan
Why Robin??
THANK YOU
no silver wolf 😢 can my e2s1 silver wolf better than anyone in this? or still the same
@@Guitarp-tr8nq it depends, she is better than pela in ST and when you have to implant weakness
Why is Robin better than Pela at E0?
Jiaoqiu saviour has returned, what a great day it is today.
i actually haven't considered this comparison. my initial thought on his place in DOTcheron was replacing black swan but this makes sense as well
Kafka base damage is not worth writing home about when she's only detonating her own dot
@@chifffy plus black swan has some def shred to help acheron do more dmg
So in sum: Dotcheron with Kafka + Black Swan has DoT as the main damage source, and while Acheron benefits a lot from those, her damage is diminished. But with Black Swan + Jiaoqiu, Acheron's damage comes back to the spotlight while also allowing for a decent DoT performance. Did I get that right?
Hmmmm...
Now, the question is how tf do I pull for both Feixiao and BS in next patch 💀
@@blancka4200Money🤑
@@blancka4200 I feel you man. I really want to pull Feixiao and her lightcone, but Jiaoqiu here is being a thorn I am unable to determine whether I want to pull for him for the meta or stick to the principles and pull for characters I really want only...
@@necasa4919 having a well built meta team can allow you to save jades for character you want much easier in the future so if you feel like your acheron needs a buff,pull for jiaoqui and hope for the best(you do have to be patient but every character gets a rerun eventually)
@@necasa4919 :painpeko:
On second thought, pulling for JQ+BS would be a better choice mp. Bcoz Fei's rerun wouldn't be that far ahead. But Black Swan's rerun might take a lotttt of time
jiaoqiu you deserve everything❤
When Sunday gets put in beta I am trusting Conflake and only Cornflake with all the testing.
Jesus that raiden theme goes hard with her
another great day for jiaoqiu! if swear to god if he doesn't come home in 70 pulls, oh god
Can’t wait to play this exact team ❤ Will try with HH as well (mine is E1, so bit lighter on SP). Also JQ, Gui, Gallagher against fire weak.
Just 2 day waiting to have him😩 so happy because im guarantee
Can you do me a flavor by showcasing bs e1 with kafka lightcone vs Jiaoqiu in acheron e2 comp ? Thank you bro
I have e0 Acheron and e2s1 Jiaoqiu, would pulling BS or Kafka be worth it at all?
Is Acheron JQ Kafka really that bad compared to these 2 pairings?
It would be amazing if you could please do a showcase, as I am planning on pulling for JQ but is unsure if pulling Kafka would be worth it without black swan.
Might be late but Kafka doesn't provide anything to amplify Acheron's damage aside from generating stacks for Acheron (like every Nihility does) and fulfilling her abyss trace requirement.
can u do black swan e1 vs jiaoqiu e0 on acheron team? 🙏🙏
another 1 point for Jiaoqui, btw can you do TY, JQ, Yunli, Aven or HH team, that's what I'm planning to do hehe
Definitely a great team with Tingyun and Huohuo being a battery to Yunli allowing her to spam her ults and Jiaoqiu's permanent debuff allowing your Yunli to consistently make use of the 50% overall vulnerability debuff (including the ult vulnerability for Yunli's cull counter since it is considered ult dmg)
@@ArchangelSunday poggers big W
i know its about kafka and JQ but I love speed gallagher with multiplication and ER rope. basic, basic, basic, ult, basic, basic. he just prints SP for days. QPQ is still BiS on him imo.
damn was really hoping i can pull bs/kafka after jiao in case pf has that weird dot thing again. oh well, pela/robin on jiao+acheron it is i guess
Dot Acheron is really good for current PF, but damn she's even better with JQ ig
Question about Jiaoqiu & Aventurine LC : with his Signature LC, Aventurine can apply a Debuff on his Counter-Attack. Is this compatible with Jiaoqiu stacks or does it cancel it ?
@@VerbosePX they work together yeah
@@cornflakebutsilly OK, thank you !
I guess, that will be my team then. With the crazy Triple Banner they want to use, really need to plan carefully. Probably skip Robin/Kafka/BlackSwan in case there is Acheron/Aventurine/XXX afterwards... (need Acheron LC, Avneturine, Aven. LC !)
Well tbf with JQ you could run S1 Aventurine just fine since Jq is sp neutral, Black Swan is positive and Aven itself is mostly positive. Aside from that that's a great comparison
If anyone sees this, I am a newish player who needs some advice
Does Acheron, Black Swan, Jiaoqiu, Aventurine work as a team. That’s what I’m thinking of putting together one day just wondering if it’s good
So witch better chat?
is it worth it for E0 acheron ?
1:19 I feel like getting past this was avoidable?
nope, didn't get through in all the 10 runs
@@cornflakebutsilly rip, it looks so close, just 29k damage diff. Maybe it isn't realistic to 0 cycle that first half then
Man, I'm a 2.1 player so I've been waiting ever since to get Kafka and Black Swan. There's no way I can get them both if I get Jiaoqiu for my Acheron but it's been very tempting.
If i don't win the 50/50 ill cry..
Why Kafka vs JQ and not bsw vs JQ in the same team ?
Black Swan's arcana are just way too strong for DoT, so if you wanna ramp up DoT then Black Swan's the way. Kafka + Jiaoqiu may be able to stack Acheron faster for sure, but the DoT will suffer. Jiaoqiu's multipliers are not that high at E0, so his own DoT plus Kafka's can only go so far.
Kafka is to frontload dot DMG but with jq there is barely any dot DMG so what even will you frontload?
@@necasa4919 I still find it weird comparing a enabler to a support. Except detonating dot Kafka don't help much in the team unlike bsw who is the support in the first team.
Aka one team is with 1 DPS 1 sub DPS and 1 support while the other team is with 1 dps and 2 support
Why won’t you use pela instead of black swan in jiaoqui team?
because the point is to show the difference between kafka and Jiaoqiu in the DoT team, since a lot of people like to play acheron in those teams
now try kafka jiaoqiu acheron for the ultimate battery gaming
i think BS E1 that has 25% debuff respen, not her LC
Who would've guessed, our favourite healer did better
Acheron in the standard DoT team loses a lot of buffs she gets from other sources, like Pela, Guinaifeng, Bronya, Sparkle, etc. It's obvious that a character that benefits both Acheron and Black Swan at the same time (the latter not as much as Kafka but still), was going to perform better.
@@necasa4919 she lose, but i think it'd be faster if instead of Gallagher would be aven or fu with trend
@@Zangeus Nope for one ToTUM doesn't stack with JQ's ult Debuff ( other then bosses with 2 actions ) and second Gallagher is her BIS sustain because of the amount of Debuffs he can do.
Only E2S1 Aventurine surpass him with stack generation.
@@Zangeustrend doesn’t work when Jiaoqiu around
@@The_CodFish69 i mean in dot team
Hoyo did me dirty. They are planning to rerun rerun Robin AND topaz next patch, after like 2 patches. I saved my guranteed for Jiaoqiu and everything, and now this. Can anyone help???!!!!
It depends on what you want, do you want to make acheron stronger? Get jiaoqiu, but if you want to get into fua comps and be more flexible for other comps as well then get robin and skip jiaoqiu. Robin also works with majority of teams currently and can also make your acheron team stronger by putting her there +1 nihility. So tldr, if you like jiaoqiu then get him since he is a nice upgrade in acheron, but robin has higher value overall and plus jiaoqiu is most likely going to rerun quicker than the next robin after 2.5 so yeah if it were me then robin is the choice.
those are fake leaks
really some said it is 99% correct
Im not guaranteed 😢... So im planning if i lost JQ (to hopefully Gepard), ill get Aventurine in his next rerun
@@mike_ewulwe’ve had this leaks for a while now and multiple leakers have said it’s true so when a few people with nearly 100% reliability are saying the same thing ya have to wonder.
But nonetheless we’ll know b4 his banner is over so if people are on the fence just wait a week or so after his banner drops for the Drip to see if the next 5 Star is our rapper and that pretty much proves it.
I wouldn't really qualify Acheron/Jiaoqiu/BS as a dot team since Jiaoqiu is more of a debuffer than a dot unit.
Its a hypercarry team with Acheron as main dps and BS/Jiaoqiu as Acheron's buffers (they're debuffers but they act as buffers since they amplifie Acheron's damage and give her stacks)
While Acheron/Kafka/Bs is a real dot team because it's three units that basically all act as sub dps that work well with each other
Doesn't look like there's much difference at all
I guess getting a 1.5 faster cycle clear is nothing huh...
@@The_CodFish69Damn what Im gonna do my FF only has 7 cycle instead of 8 to clear😢 Why she so ass...
Oh motherbin don't end them like that
If I have e0 Acheron and only pela should I get black swan or jiaoqiu for overall damage?
Jiaoqiu. Black Swan's debuffs doesn't do much for Acheron. And her own damage lacks without other DoT units or a DoT Driver. She's just slightly stronger than an E4 Guinaifen on Acheron+Pela. Whereas Jiaoqiu+Pela on E0 Acheron is just insane.