Outstanding. Information on how to make hooch, start an electrical fire and mess about with a disassembled power tool all in the same video! And all neatly packaged on a large piece of flammable board haha. This is why I come on TH-cam. Amazing stuff
Loved this video, I had never really considered how a choke worked, but about halfway through your explanation I was like "I bet this is how it works" and then you confirmed. It had also never really occurred to me that distilling works because you're boiling the alcohol without boiling the water. I learned enough for 2 days at the standard "you learn something new every day" rate.
That was great! I think I can maybe drop in my 2 cents here in this comment?! I'll give it a try: - Brushed DC motors are quite tough beasts, but, as you may gather, have some shortcomings. That particular model doesn't seem to be designed for high RPMs. I'd recommend looking into BLDC motors, as they handle such abuses exceptionally well and have greater efficiency when used as generators. - something worth considering, but quite hard to perfect, could be a mechanism by which you can use the DC motor as intended to crank the engine into a start, then revert it back to being a generator once the engine has picked up. Cheers!
Yes, both ideas sound good, I can get behind those. I would like to drop more on top of that - the DC motor would need some power first of course, so maybe a battery with a BMS? That would smooth out the voltage, too. And while at it, might as well add more electronics, perhaps a way to automatically adjust the choke and throttle to get a smooth start and constant RPM
Try open the spark plug gap a little more and see if you can increase the timing a little. Loved the video I would love to see other bio materials you could run an engine off of
I like a bit of destructive testing! Well done I been thinking of doing something similar with hydrogen. Great video as usual you put a lot of effort into it
When not under load, a generator can produce very high voltages. It would be better to put a load on, either a big resistor, or more dramatically a car headlamp, or indicator lamp rather. A proper incandescent bulb would be better than the LED ones, they're not necessarily made to run off intermittent dodgy voltages, and provide a continuous load, rather than the switching that might be involved in a LED light with a switch-mode power supply. Also it will brighten and dim in a nicely illustrative way. Probably best to use a 24V one (like trucks use), a 12V one is more likely to blow, especially since you've got a nice chunky motor. They're not as powerful as a real alternator, that uses electromagnets, but enough for a light bulb certainly. You also have the option of making a bigger wheel for the pulley to alter the RPM and torque, to the extent the 3D printed plastic can take it without crumbling to bits, as it likes to. Then with a load, you can measure voltage and current, simultaneously if you get a second multimeter, you can get the cheap ones for almost nothing these days.
For use in a 2 stroke, one could use a needle valve to meter out the oil like they used to have in Total Loss Oil engines on motorcycles. Maybe one or two drips per second would be plenty.
use a 100 watt cubota tractor alternator as it is very efficient. use a smaller pully on the engine as the speed will generate to much voltage or rewind alternator. for a phone charger that engine is completly overkill enyway. a cellphone uses about 1 amp at 5 volt to decent charge. that is about 4 watts of power and your engine produce about 700 watts at full speed.
Next time, try a car or motorbike alternator, you'll then have a more stable 12v output... But, even so, an interesting home thought experiment 👍👏👏 Another Tom Stanton here folks! Nice to see the home screen wallpaper there too fella!!! You've also gained another subscriber 😎🇬🇧
Really cool vid. Got halfway through and glanced at the view counter expecting it to have 50k+ views because of how well done it is. Keep up the good work!
You can use wet ethanol as long as there isn't too much. The water boils giving you more power and keeping the engine cooler. It also breaks down alkenes and alkines keeping the engine clean. Long term you have to deal with rust, especially on a 2 stroke, but I don't think you plan on running this every day.
Considering the saw was configured for petrol, not surprising that the choke had to be engaged for it to run off ethanol(~40% more needed than petrol for a good ICE AFR).
The problem in the end for the "generator" was that you did this by doing it unloaded so it self destructed. Get a cheap solar charge regulator pwm or mppt and connect that to a battery that will accept charge and you could prob see how much power you would get. Until the "generator" overheats. Might also be a problem with the uneven nature of the combustion engine so a flywheel in between the engine and "generator" might help.
If you want to make a second video you could improve the generator by using a 3 phase brushless motor combined with a rectifier, this should smooth out your output voltage a lot - and they don't have brushes, which could caused the failure of the dc motor.
Distilling alcohol/ ethanol for consumption or fuel NOT for retail is perfectly legal so long as you own a Rectifiers license. These are free to apply for and you MUST have one if you own a still or plan to have one
When you spin a motor like that with no load on it, all of the power it generates will go straight into the windings and destroy it. Also, the engine wouldn't last a full tank with no cooling. There's a fan and the plastic housing (which you removed) directs the air flow over the cylinder and head. This kills the engine quickly. It's a common problem for mice to get into the housing and clog up the air path. This kills a lot of small air cooled lawn type engines.
Its illegal to distil pure ethanol, so here is what we "would" be left with if we did that, definitely did not distil pure ethanol. I put the pure ethanol in a jar to make it look even more like what it would IF we distilled it
Photosynthesis efficiency: 3-6% actual (11% theoretical) Solar panel efficiency: ~20% (~50% for expensive, multi-junction panels) Since photosynthesis has an efficiency of about 3 to 6%, we can deduce that this ethanol process is less than 3% efficient overall
In the united states, you dont need a license to distill ethanol, however you must IMMEDIATELY make it non-potable, or not drinkable. Most people without a license distill ethanol here for adding it to fuels for various purposes. Making every last drop non-potable is the most important. If the government officials can't prove that you are distilling alcohol for drinking, without a license, they cant charge you with it. Not sure if there is a similar law in the UK, but I hope that helps anyone out there who wants to look up a little more information. ALWAYS check your laws before doing various experiments.
try making other fuels like butanol from grass clippings or biodiesel from sunflower seeds, engines run much better on them and you could power a 100+ amp alternator or two.
I've a friend from brazil who said this is quite common over there. They do it with sugar cane though, I'd imagine apples would be a rather expensive source of sugar.
a small car alternator would be better for this job than using a dc motor. ive run multiple alternators off a 12 hp riding mower engine before when i was on a farm. used it as a power pack for starting vehicles that didnt have batteries in them it only takes about 1-2 horsepower to run something like a 12v 40a alternator. you could probably go much higher than that however, with my 12hp setup i was running a few hundred amps at not much more than idle
So to be real, I was thinking you meant Apple as in iPhone and I was confused at how you powered a generator with one or smth. Also, uh, how well does the ethanol hold the two stroke oil? If the oil and fuel don't mix then that engine is gonna have a lot few working parts, namely every wearing surface. But yeah thatvs why ethanol engines are typical four strokes. More importantly even is that some fuel will always enter the oil. Ethanol and methanol are both very hygroscopic. An engine actually needs to deal with this by being hot enough to slowly evaporate it more or less.
Well you gotta think, moonshiners were originally from Scotland before it was brought here across the pond to America. Just call it a reenactment of historical events in UK history, should be fine.😁
well you found a way to make cheap fuel and that is good!!... My suggestions use a car alternator to generate electricity.. How to do it well find it out yourself...
Prior to distilling the alcohol, couldn’t you create a long lasting fire with the alcohol and use it to power one of those wood usb fire generators? Distilling seems to require heat and energy but you can skip that entirely and in someway this might be a good emergency fuel source? I could be totally wrong because I’m not sure how well that would burn, if at all, considering the water.
Apple powered apple, apple brandy, sell it and buy gasoline with the $$. 😆 I think engine tuned to run on ethanol, or methanol, or a blend of both, would perform better than gasoline!
why did you say sieves so wrong. its just a molecular sieve, as in siv. a siv you have in the kitchen. very good video though, as always, been watching a while. new sub! cheers mate
Premo information for the upcoming economic collapse, providing both fuel & entertainment. Would need to remove the heads on that distillation in order to enjoy that sweet syrup of the gods without experiencing methanol poisoning.
Home brewing is very much a thing in the UK to produce naturally fermented alcohol ( like cider, as seen in this video ), however distilling alcohol is illegal because people will end up killing themselves or going blind from drinking it- you need a license for distilling anything.
Lord have mercy you have no business being anywhere around a two-stroke engine, that ethanol oil mix was way too oil heavy that's why the engine was smoking so terribly and running so bad. You are literally running like 1:3 oil mix when that saw is designed for more like 1:40
I think this is far from saving the planet. Not really sure about E10 fuels being sustainable. Enjoyed the video that. If you want to sell that still, let me know
Outstanding. Information on how to make hooch, start an electrical fire and mess about with a disassembled power tool all in the same video! And all neatly packaged on a large piece of flammable board haha. This is why I come on TH-cam. Amazing stuff
Now you just have to be careful not to create methanol, or youre going blind when you drink the hooch.
You can also learn from tom,him
He made a major mistake. He tore down the engine too far. This thing will overheat and seize. It has no cooling.
As an alternative, ferment the apples, sell the apple cider and use the profits to buy gas.
have you tried? i bet you did not
@@chrisphoenix115 Have I tried making cider to afford gas to charge my phone? No, I have indeed not.
@@2MeterLPbro it was a Idea 💡😂
Your background leaves me very confused but also interested Sam
You have described my brain on all my projects! Obrigado 😀
Loved this video, I had never really considered how a choke worked, but about halfway through your explanation I was like "I bet this is how it works" and then you confirmed. It had also never really occurred to me that distilling works because you're boiling the alcohol without boiling the water. I learned enough for 2 days at the standard "you learn something new every day" rate.
😄
be honest you were trying to make Appleshine but didn't like how it tasted so you decided to make fuel out of it.
That’s what I was thinking lol
He didn't distill anything though
Yeah but a quick freezejack isn't far off from a proper distillation
Honestly, seeing sam get giddy about somthing makes my day lol
That was great!
I think I can maybe drop in my 2 cents here in this comment?! I'll give it a try:
- Brushed DC motors are quite tough beasts, but, as you may gather, have some shortcomings. That particular model doesn't seem to be designed for high RPMs. I'd recommend looking into BLDC motors, as they handle such abuses exceptionally well and have greater efficiency when used as generators.
- something worth considering, but quite hard to perfect, could be a mechanism by which you can use the DC motor as intended to crank the engine into a start, then revert it back to being a generator once the engine has picked up.
Cheers!
Yes, both ideas sound good, I can get behind those. I would like to drop more on top of that - the DC motor would need some power first of course, so maybe a battery with a BMS? That would smooth out the voltage, too. And while at it, might as well add more electronics, perhaps a way to automatically adjust the choke and throttle to get a smooth start and constant RPM
@@YdenPL Sounds great! BMS is essential when charging or discharging batteries at high rates, as certainly would be the case.
Isn't it still ethanol just the floating thing you used to detect the proof hit the bottom of the cup?.... 6:14
Try open the spark plug gap a little more and see if you can increase the timing a little.
Loved the video I would love to see other bio materials you could run an engine off of
Gotta love the Furze wallpaper!
6:18 But it just bottomed out? Or was that intentional haha
I like a bit of destructive testing! Well done I been thinking of doing something similar with hydrogen. Great video as usual you put a lot of effort into it
When not under load, a generator can produce very high voltages. It would be better to put a load on, either a big resistor, or more dramatically a car headlamp, or indicator lamp rather. A proper incandescent bulb would be better than the LED ones, they're not necessarily made to run off intermittent dodgy voltages, and provide a continuous load, rather than the switching that might be involved in a LED light with a switch-mode power supply. Also it will brighten and dim in a nicely illustrative way.
Probably best to use a 24V one (like trucks use), a 12V one is more likely to blow, especially since you've got a nice chunky motor. They're not as powerful as a real alternator, that uses electromagnets, but enough for a light bulb certainly. You also have the option of making a bigger wheel for the pulley to alter the RPM and torque, to the extent the 3D printed plastic can take it without crumbling to bits, as it likes to.
Then with a load, you can measure voltage and current, simultaneously if you get a second multimeter, you can get the cheap ones for almost nothing these days.
For use in a 2 stroke, one could use a needle valve to meter out the oil like they used to have in Total Loss Oil engines on motorcycles. Maybe one or two drips per second would be plenty.
Great stuff... loved the Colin Furze background, it was a touch of class. Keep up the fantastic work.
Ah yes the *Amazon special* ethanol haha. Great video
use a 100 watt cubota tractor alternator as it is very efficient. use a smaller pully on the engine as the speed will generate to much voltage or rewind alternator. for a phone charger that engine is completly overkill enyway. a cellphone uses about 1 amp at 5 volt to decent charge. that is about 4 watts of power and your engine produce about 700 watts at full speed.
Next time, try a car or motorbike alternator, you'll then have a more stable 12v output... But, even so, an interesting home thought experiment 👍👏👏 Another Tom Stanton here folks! Nice to see the home screen wallpaper there too fella!!! You've also gained another subscriber 😎🇬🇧
Really cool vid. Got halfway through and glanced at the view counter expecting it to have 50k+ views because of how well done it is. Keep up the good work!
„there is plenty of fun you can have with 15% alcohol“.
how can you measure with a densitometer when it touches your bottle bottom?
You can use wet ethanol as long as there isn't too much. The water boils giving you more power and keeping the engine cooler. It also breaks down alkenes and alkines keeping the engine clean. Long term you have to deal with rust, especially on a 2 stroke, but I don't think you plan on running this every day.
yes, excellent video for all reasons! Very educational, and the FAILURES are the most important!
Best simple example of a carb I've ever seen. Great work.
Considering the saw was configured for petrol, not surprising that the choke had to be engaged for it to run off ethanol(~40% more needed than petrol for a good ICE AFR).
The problem in the end for the "generator" was that you did this by doing it unloaded so it self destructed. Get a cheap solar charge regulator pwm or mppt and connect that to a battery that will accept charge and you could prob see how much power you would get. Until the "generator" overheats. Might also be a problem with the uneven nature of the combustion engine so a flywheel in between the engine and "generator" might help.
If you want to make a second video you could improve the generator by using a 3 phase brushless motor combined with a rectifier, this should smooth out your output voltage a lot - and they don't have brushes, which could caused the failure of the dc motor.
This is a very good proof of concept video and be interesting to see how far this could go
Distilling alcohol/ ethanol for consumption or fuel NOT for retail is perfectly legal so long as you own a Rectifiers license. These are free to apply for and you MUST have one if you own a still or plan to have one
When you spin a motor like that with no load on it, all of the power it generates will go straight into the windings and destroy it. Also, the engine wouldn't last a full tank with no cooling. There's a fan and the plastic housing (which you removed) directs the air flow over the cylinder and head. This kills the engine quickly. It's a common problem for mice to get into the housing and clog up the air path. This kills a lot of small air cooled lawn type engines.
Its illegal to distil pure ethanol, so here is what we "would" be left with if we did that, definitely did not distil pure ethanol. I put the pure ethanol in a jar to make it look even more like what it would IF we distilled it
I wonder what it's efficiency is, in comparison to a solar panel
Photosynthesis efficiency: 3-6% actual (11% theoretical)
Solar panel efficiency: ~20% (~50% for expensive, multi-junction panels)
Since photosynthesis has an efficiency of about 3 to 6%, we can deduce that this ethanol process is less than 3% efficient overall
In the united states, you dont need a license to distill ethanol, however you must IMMEDIATELY make it non-potable, or not drinkable. Most people without a license distill ethanol here for adding it to fuels for various purposes. Making every last drop non-potable is the most important. If the government officials can't prove that you are distilling alcohol for drinking, without a license, they cant charge you with it. Not sure if there is a similar law in the UK, but I hope that helps anyone out there who wants to look up a little more information. ALWAYS check your laws before doing various experiments.
try making other fuels like butanol from grass clippings or biodiesel from sunflower seeds, engines run much better on them and you could power a 100+ amp alternator or two.
Love your phone background! :D
Amazing video! Love it :)
Best explaination for choke!Thanks
I've a friend from brazil who said this is quite common over there. They do it with sugar cane though, I'd imagine apples would be a rather expensive source of sugar.
6:21 there's no room to measure
Nice work!
me to the belt: it's alive, IT'S ALIVE wait a minute, were the heck are you running? 😂😂
a small car alternator would be better for this job than using a dc motor. ive run multiple alternators off a 12 hp riding mower engine before when i was on a farm. used it as a power pack for starting vehicles that didnt have batteries in them it only takes about 1-2 horsepower to run something like a 12v 40a alternator. you could probably go much higher than that however, with my 12hp setup i was running a few hundred amps at not much more than idle
10/10 effort, i like.
He'll never need to go to the doctor's office, a fermented apple a day keeps the doctor away!
You know it doesn't matter how much sugar is in the apples in fact every single part of the Apple has sugar in it you could have used it all.
Cool project!
So to be real, I was thinking you meant Apple as in iPhone and I was confused at how you powered a generator with one or smth.
Also, uh, how well does the ethanol hold the two stroke oil? If the oil and fuel don't mix then that engine is gonna have a lot few working parts, namely every wearing surface.
But yeah thatvs why ethanol engines are typical four strokes. More importantly even is that some fuel will always enter the oil. Ethanol and methanol are both very hygroscopic. An engine actually needs to deal with this by being hot enough to slowly evaporate it more or less.
I think use bio gas (ch4) is more easier and cheeper than apple w yeast (ethanol) so u can build a bio gas pool for your house today :))
I thought he was gonna make a battery like those lemon zinc ones using apples
This is amazing! Great video. A++
I'm waiting for you to create an ethanol-fuelled e-bike running a sterling-cycle engine.
Your „pan“ is broken. It should sit flat on the stove.
I love the penny farthing in the background foreshadowing the next video.
When Henry Ford first started making cars, they ALL ran on alcohol, as they were intended for farmers, who could distil alcohol from excess crops.
try making an ethanol fuel cell, direct electricity, should be same as methanol fuel cell
or just make a impeller center-in rim-out turbine, or just alcohol burner pelton turbine rocket stove
Love the vid informative and funny 😂😂
why cut the center?
I prefer drinking cider, but to each their own...
Best lock screen ever
What saddle's on that bike? It looks way comfier than what I use. Also keeping with the fuel theme, next video gonna be duckweed bio-fuel?
I bet he would have used more energy making the ethanol than the ethanol had in the end.
But why is it illegal to distill ethanol?
Would really love to see how this would work on a 4 stroke engine
Well you gotta think, moonshiners were originally from Scotland before it was brought here across the pond to America. Just call it a reenactment of historical events in UK history, should be fine.😁
Dude if you say that you can make your own fuel at home you’re going to get sued lol be careful man
noisiest phone charger ever xD
There is oils used with methanol, and there is oil injection!
Americans note that that £1.66 price for unleaded is per litre, not gallon!
cool screen saver I love Colin furze
incredible lock screen hahaha I'm sure he would be proud
“So naturally I added more power”
Me sitting here thinking: that dc regulator is handling over a kilowa- *regulator explodes*
Really enjoyed this thank you, what about a hydrogen powered diesel generator
That doesnt sound right. I thought hydrogen preferred higher rpms so it needed a gas generator
94%. Huh. Wonder where you "bought" 188 proof ethanol?
well you found a way to make cheap fuel and that is good!!...
My suggestions use a car alternator to generate electricity..
How to do it well find it out yourself...
still good job though...
Um ethanol... Wasn't that found to put out a worse pollutant than normal gas a few years ago after they rushed it into the market.....
So it's illegal for peasants like Us to make Ethanol in the UK. Absolutely make Sense.
I used the apple to charge the apple
Prior to distilling the alcohol, couldn’t you create a long lasting fire with the alcohol and use it to power one of those wood usb fire generators?
Distilling seems to require heat and energy but you can skip that entirely and in someway this might be a good emergency fuel source?
I could be totally wrong because I’m not sure how well that would burn, if at all, considering the water.
you couldve used WAY less yeast if you wanted around half a package
If you arnt going to drink it there's no reason not to overdo the yeast really
I charge my android with a robot
Is it that moonshine bootlegging or am I wrong. lol
Could you try making a real pure hydrogen generator to run the engine...?
Apple powered apple, apple brandy, sell it and buy gasoline with the $$. 😆 I think engine tuned to run on ethanol, or methanol, or a blend of both, would perform better than gasoline!
I'm not sure i can forgive you lying to me
And those looked like perfectly eatable appus
Ps very nice vid man, i enjoyed it alot
why did you say sieves so wrong. its just a molecular sieve, as in siv. a siv you have in the kitchen. very good video though, as always, been watching a while. new sub! cheers mate
Premo information for the upcoming economic collapse, providing both fuel & entertainment. Would need to remove the heads on that distillation in order to enjoy that sweet syrup of the gods without experiencing methanol poisoning.
So what ur saying is grow apples to survive an apocalypse u have electricity and fuel for ur car 😱👍😁
ExCapE.
We call that aple thing kilju in finland
Cool
Ouch can't produce your own liquor if you wanted to :/ little draconian
Home brewing is very much a thing in the UK to produce naturally fermented alcohol ( like cider, as seen in this video ), however distilling alcohol is illegal because people will end up killing themselves or going blind from drinking it- you need a license for distilling anything.
@@SuicideNeil the people are just dumb, they don't divide metanol from etanol and ended up drink poison...
Lord have mercy you have no business being anywhere around a two-stroke engine, that ethanol oil mix was way too oil heavy that's why the engine was smoking so terribly and running so bad. You are literally running like 1:3 oil mix when that saw is designed for more like 1:40
Can get 100 to 200 amp I believe
прикольно вы придумали, хотя у нас придумали с помощью пиролиза топливо добыть. но у вас конечно замашки не меньше наших.
Don't you mean apple juice?
the way he was pronouncing carberator was painful.
Damn. You guys really tolerate a lot of crap over there. How do you have any fun without guns, bews, flavor, or energy?
lel ran generator unloaded
I think this is far from saving the planet. Not really sure about E10 fuels being sustainable.
Enjoyed the video that. If you want to sell that still, let me know
It doesnt work with an android phone