Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel PURE GLADIATOR BEAST Deck! UNBREAKABLE field! Platinum 1 Rank! List & Guide

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  • @roninzero12
    @roninzero12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    To the people interested in this deck, first do the solo campaign, you get a structure with 3 Agustus and 3 Tamers, and the world legacy campaign for 3 copies of their monster reborn card.

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ahhhh, I wish I knew World Legacy Succession was available in Solo Mode. I haven't really been doing the Solo Modes and actually crafted the Succession - but I definitely would have just done the Solo Mode instead if I had known! But yes, a lot of those GB cards come from the Gladiator Beast Solo Mode, which is nice!

    • @TheGiltanas
      @TheGiltanas ปีที่แล้ว

      I would love to firstly know how to utilize it. I have never recieved such a beating with another deck :) Since I build it I was not able not only to win a duel, but even to destroy any card or activate a trap. Usualy everything I do is deleted by one played card - that beating starts....
      I love to played Gladiators 10 years ago when I played the cards. But they seems so week now.... Sure I am beginer all over again now. But with simple elementalsaber deck I have win rate about 60%... Gladiators - 0%

    • @cerezamaia3614
      @cerezamaia3614 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@KohanimTCGth-cam.com/video/o0NEfMjZMeY/w-d-xo.html
      1st turner - Domitianus³ + Heraklinos + Apollousa + Tamer + Zealantis

  • @Ulieben
    @Ulieben 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great job Michael, is good to see you still playing gbs.
    Im using the mix with tri-brigade and mi record so far is 32 won, 3 loses; im at platinum 3 right now

    • @chargeofthelightbrigade7105
      @chargeofthelightbrigade7105 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I reached Plat 5 with a very similar list, but couldn't make it past that rank. Trying out a mix of GB and Tri-Brigade.

    • @ltphantomknight8942
      @ltphantomknight8942 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is the decklist? I'm definitely curious

  • @jl-skape4048
    @jl-skape4048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    For Gladiators I consider Gladiator Naumachia a staple, when I have Domitianus, Heraklinos and/or Tamer Editor on the field, so I can redirect attacks to them and use Naumachia to increase their ATK above 5000.
    You don't have idea how many opponents have surrendered at that point!

    • @RaidenReborn
      @RaidenReborn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If only we had an archetypal way to search "Gladiator" cards.

    • @jl-skape4048
      @jl-skape4048 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RaidenReborn besides Test Panther and Gladiator Proving Grounds spell card, GB Samnite can do this, but needs to have been special summoned by another Glad, and only when it destroys an opponent's monster by battle

    • @RaidenReborn
      @RaidenReborn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jl-skape4048 Unfortunately, Samnite cannot do that. Samnite can only search "Gladiator Beast" cards and not "Gladiator" cards.

  • @robertbarber1198
    @robertbarber1198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As I live and breath Michael kohanim man the memories from back in the day glad I found your channel.

  • @Hyper_Drud
    @Hyper_Drud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve been running a GB deck similar to this one and sometimes I’ll run either Noxious or Speedroid Menko. Since Glad Beasts have to battle to activate their effects, special summoning Menko with its effect switches the opponent’s monsters to defense position.

  • @RedPokeTrnr
    @RedPokeTrnr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Been playing this deck all morning and it's a ton of fun! Shame it has so many UR's, had to supplement the deck with cheap filler cards until I can save up enough gems.

  • @NoshuHyena
    @NoshuHyena 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hi, I hope it's ok to share some improvements I made to some of your combos. This deck is insane and has a really high ceiling, especially if you add Cross-Sheep to the Extra.
    Game 1:
    A) Activate Rejection, Summon Attorix, Summon Tiger, Tiger effect to tag Attorix for herself and Dump Augustus to GY, Rejection summon Augustus, Fusion Summon Editor (Att + Aug).
    B) Editor effect for Domitianus, Summon 2nd Tiger, Link Summon Panther (Tig + Ed), Panther effect search Comeback, Comeback Editor, Editor Effect for Gyzarus (or Dom).
    C) Panther effect to tag Editor for Equeste who fetches Comeback, Fusion Summon Editor (Dom and Gyz, I know that sounds crazy, but stick with me), Editor effect for Gyzarus (or Dom).
    D) Link Summon Cross-Sheep (Ed + Panth), Comeback Editor, Cross-Sheep effect to summon Tiger, Editor effect for Domitianus, Tiger effect to tag Ed for Darius, retrieve Augustus.
    E) Fusion Summon Editor (Aug + Gyz), Editor effect for Heraklinos (or Dom), Link Summon either Apollousa (Dar + Equ + Sheep), or Simorgh (Equ + Sheep). If Simorgh, get Apex or Statue at End.
    END BOARD: Up to 4 Gyzarus pops, Domitianus, Heraklinos (1 card in hand), Tamer Editor, Rejection, and either Apollousa (3 material) or Simorgh + Apex or Statue + Darius.
    - Fun fact, you use Editor's effect 5 times during this combo.
    Game 2:
    Your board is excellent, but here's an alternate path, Master Duel-only.
    A) Dai + Rabbit for 3 Andal, Link Summon Panther (And + And), Panther effect search Comeback, P effect tag Andal for Augustus, Augustus summon Aug then Attorix who dumps any high lvl.
    B) Fusion Summon Editor (Aug + Att), Editor effect for Domitianus, Link Summon Ferrijit (Ed + Panth), Ferrejit effect summon Bestiari from hand, comeback Editor, Editor effect for Heraklinos.
    C) Link Summon Simorgh (Ferr + Besti), Xyz Summon a rank 8 of your choice (Aug + Editor). Get Apex or Statue at End.
    END BOARD: Domitianus, Heraklinos (0 cards, but 1 after Apex effect), your favorite Rank 8, Simorgh + Apex or Statue. If going for Statue, get double Dom and not Herk.
    Game 3:
    A) Summon Rabbit, effect for 2 Andal, Summon Tiger, Tiger effect to tag Andal for Augustus, Augustus effect summon Augustus from hand, Fusion Summon Editor (Aug + Aug).
    B) Editor effect for Domitianus, Link Summon Panther (Ed + And), Panther effect to search Comeback, Comeback Editor, Editor effect for Gyzarus (or Dom).
    C) Panther effect to tag Editor for Attorix (dump Augustus), Fusion Summon Editor (Att + Gyz), Editor effect for Domitianus, Link Summon Cross-Sheep (Ed + Panth).
    D) Monster Reborn on Editor, Cross-Sheep effect for Tiger, Editor effect for Heraklinos, Tiger effect to tag Editor for Equeste who gets Comeback, Link Simorgh (Sheep + Equ), get Apex/Statue.
    END BOARD: Domitianus, 2nd Domitianus, Heraklinos (2 cards in hand), Simorgh + Apex or Statue.
    ALTERNATE: Instead of tagging for Equeste, tag for Darius, Darius effect for whomever in grave, Link Summon Apollousa (Dar + Sheep + Whomever).
    Alternate end board has -1 card in hand, and Apo (3 material) instead of Simorgh + Apex.
    Game 4 (Going Second):
    A) Activate Rejection, Comeback for Bestiari (in case something goes wrong and you need to tag with him), set Andal (just a good habit), Fusion Summon Gyzarus, pop 2, enter battle.
    B) Attack with Gyzarus, end Battle, Gyzarus effect to tag for Attorix and Equeste, Attorix dump Augustus, Equeste effect get Comeback, Rejection summon Vespasius .
    C) Fusion Summon Editor, Editor effect for Domitianus, Link summon Panther (Ed + Equ), Panther effect search Comeback, Comeback Editor, Editor effect for Gyzarus (or Dom).
    D) Panther effect to tag Editor for Darius, Darius get Augustus from GY, Fusion Summon Editor (Gyz + Aug), Link Summon Cross-Sheep (Panth + Darius), Editor effect for Dom, Sheep eff for Equ.
    E) Link summon Simorgh (Sheep + Equ + Ed, because we have another Comeback in hand), Comeback Editor, Editor effect for Heraklinos. End Phase get Apex or Statue.
    END BOARD: Domitianus, 2nd Domitianus, Heraklinos (1 card in hand), Tamer Editor, Simorgh + Apex or Statue, and Rejection.
    ALTERNATE: Instead of Simorgh, simply Link Summon Apollousa with the same materials. You're trading Apex negate and a Herk negate for 3 Monster negates.
    I know this is very long, and I hope it's readable. The deck is so sick and I think these combos can be pushed even further than what I came up with.

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cross-Sheep is a great addition to the Extra Deck, and really improves a lot of the combos. Once I started using it, I couldn't believe I played the Deck without it. Extra Deck is pretty tight though, and I haven't made room for Ferrajit and Simorgh in this version of the Deck (but I'm using them in my Gladiator Beast Tri-Brigade Deck).

    • @NoshuHyena
      @NoshuHyena 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KohanimTCG Yeah, Extra is so tight D: I think the two must-keeps are Cross-Sheep and Simorgh. Simorgh makes a lot of 2-card starting combos a lot better (mostly in the Tri-Brigade variant), but he's also broken in just pure. Fingers crossed he doesn't get banned in Master Duel too! (Or maybe fingers crossed he does because Barrier Statue is pretty toxic NGL).

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NoshuHyena Simorgh is so much stronger in the Tri-Brigade build since you can Summon it with the effects of the Tri-Brigade monsters without impeding on your ability to Summon Tamer Editor. Without that, I'm not sure that I want to play the extra brick in my Main Deck and use a spot in the Extra Deck for Simorgh, but I can certainly see why it may be worth it.

    • @NoshuHyena
      @NoshuHyena 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KohanimTCG That's where Ferrijit comes in. You can either shuffle Apex back in, or just summon Statue from hand without even needing to waste time on Simorgh.

    • @samuelftreis
      @samuelftreis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      which card should i replace to use cross sheep in the deck showed in the description? and how much? i'm beginner and i'll try this deck

  • @dnd2011
    @dnd2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice nice. I used this structure for a bit hut switched to Tri gladiator and maaaan it's extends so well into having a full field of negates

  • @Filet_Mignon22
    @Filet_Mignon22 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My gladiator beast deck is nearly identical but I play it going 2nd I added a dark ruler no more , lightning storm , and harpies feather duster to clear board before setting up my negates

  • @jaredglenzer727
    @jaredglenzer727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    First time watching your videos, and you say you play Cyber Dragon and G-Beasts.
    Just take my like and subscription.

  • @justexist841
    @justexist841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Combined this deck profile with tribirgade since I don’t play hand traps (I’m old skooo lol) so I’m interrelated to see how that turn out

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The combination works well. I hit the top rank with Gladiator Beast Tri-Brigade with the Deck I used here: th-cam.com/video/G8fAGFuJAQE/w-d-xo.html&t

  • @anthonylopez6806
    @anthonylopez6806 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice, GB master race

  • @gato6578
    @gato6578 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great video, thanks! hope you upload another one for the cyber dragons, I've been trying to make that deck work too but I'm not that knowledgeable on modern YGO

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I’m planning to post one on Cyber Dragons soon!

  • @greatwhite3512
    @greatwhite3512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i use a tri brigand engine with my glads works great with rescue cat

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm also using Rescue Cat (plus Rabbit) in my GB Tri-Brigade Deck. It's pretty awesome.

  • @danieliturrino7381
    @danieliturrino7381 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why can't you doing dominitanius back? Sorry could you explain 16:15 a little more in depth? Love your deck btw. Built it :)

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you Summon Dominitanius with the effect of Tamer Editor, the Dominitanius isn't properly Fusion Summoned, which means it can't be Special Summoned back from the Graveyard with a card like Gladiator Beast's Comeback. You can only Special Summon a Fusion Monster from the Graveyard if it was properly Summoned first.

  • @EliteHenz
    @EliteHenz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @14:38 Overkill here haha! Seems like you could’ve gone straight into battle phase and ended the duel right there since you knew it was torrential/opp had no hand and you already had lethal. Good for demonstration purposes though

  • @KiIIShift
    @KiIIShift 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a beast deck

  • @stellar1463
    @stellar1463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the biggest problems of gladiator beast decks are ash blossom. It can totally stop your momentum. Not to mention like everyone had them.

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, Ash Blossom and Maxx "C" hurt this Deck (a lot more than they hurt the Tri-Brigade version of GBs). When you get stopped cold by them, you pretty much need to hope that you'll survive another turn to try your combos again (and having your own Ash or Maxx "C" can certainly help with that). I started using Called by the Grave in later versions of this Deck to help against them.

    • @stellar1463
      @stellar1463 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KohanimTCG yeah. Call of the grave puts maxx C to sleep. If you're goin second, maxx C would not be a threat if you can kill him but ash would be another story. But yeah, GB deck is a lot of fun. And lot of negates too.

  • @dadinirt2121
    @dadinirt2121 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice deck!

  • @jonbilgutay2
    @jonbilgutay2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just joined master duel and am hoping to build a gladiator beast deck someday.

    • @yamikushi9183
      @yamikushi9183 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m playing for a week and I already managed it, it’s not that hard to get

  • @GladBeastBoy
    @GladBeastBoy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Try to add “Simorgh Bird of Sovereignty” with “Barrier Statue of the Stormwinds” also try “Union Carrier” and “Dragon Buster Destruction Sword” these cards lock the opponent from special summoning (except wind attribute) and no summoning from the Extra Deck. It’s a must have

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Simorgh and the Barrier Statue definitely seem like strong inclusions. I'll test them out for sure, maybe in the Tri-Brigade hybrid version.

    • @Ulieben
      @Ulieben 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KohanimTCG will be waiting for your decklist and test with the hybrid

    • @samuelftreis
      @samuelftreis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      which cards would you replace to put smorgh, barrier statue, union carrier and dragon buster?

  • @metricgogo
    @metricgogo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any updates you would do to this deck for today?

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! My current build uses the Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer package. I use Predaplant Verte Anaconda and Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer in the Extra Deck, as well as Destiny HERO - Celestial, Destiny HERO - Dasher, and two copies of Fusion Destiny in the Main Deck. This improves the Deck a lot because when you have out Test Panther and Tamer Editor, you can send them to the Graveyard to Link Summon the Anaconda, which not only is useful for Summoning Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer as your final Summon, but also gets Tamer Editor into the Graveyard in the process so that you can revive it and use its effect again (before eventually using the Anaconda's effect). I'm planning to do a video to showcase how the engine improves the Deck.

    • @metricgogo
      @metricgogo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KohanimTCG my man looking forward to the video

  • @Ron9120
    @Ron9120 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What would you replace with Maxx c in the tcg? Cause I'm getting back into the game and my glads are outdated 😂

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm using Triple Tactics Talent in their place in my TCG version of this Deck.

    • @Ron9120
      @Ron9120 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KohanimTCG alright I'll try it out, glad to see GBs and cydras still around. 😁 Miss those old days.

  • @awesomeeverything2497
    @awesomeeverything2497 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Way to go Mike!

  • @jprogamer9991
    @jprogamer9991 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why the pot of avarice is not on your deck list , and when you start playing it is on your hand , I’m asking cause I want to build the deck exactly as you have it , pls let me know

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I played Pot of Avarice in an earlier version of the Deck, but never activated it once on the road to Platinum 1, so I removed it for something more useful. The list posted was my current list at the time of the video. Since then, I've removed Nerokius and one Gyzarus from the Extra Deck for a copy of Cross-Sheep and a copy of Knightmare Unicorn. I also removed the Infinite Impermanence from the Main Deck for a copy of Called by the Grave, and am considering dropping 1 Darius and 1 Bestiari for two more tech cards, since I rarely find myself needing two in the Deck.

    • @LuisPerez-vr2jm
      @LuisPerez-vr2jm 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KohanimTCG Would love to see the updated version. Also how come no proving grounds?

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@LuisPerez-vr2jm I was pretty much just using Proving Ground as filler while I was experimenting with cards, but I don't think it's great in this Deck. The worst hands are the ones that are all Gladiator Beasts with no way to Special Summon a second monster, and the Proving Ground doesn't help the situation. It's nice being able to choose the Gladiator that you want to add to your hand so that you can Special Summon it with Augustus's effect, but overall I don't think it's worth it to essentially increase the monster count with cards that don't really get the Deck going.

  • @YoucanNotadvance1
    @YoucanNotadvance1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I find this deck very bricky half the times I end up with useless monsters on my hand and 1 hand trap and im completely unable to combo anything.

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That hasn't been my experience. The bigger problem keeping it from being top tier in my experience is the vulnerability to interruption from stuff like Maxx "C" and Ash Blossom. But I've found that uninterrupted, it usually can pull off a Tamer Editor on the first turn. Generally, as long as you can Summon Test Panther, you can usually do it.

    • @YoucanNotadvance1
      @YoucanNotadvance1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KohanimTCG what do you do when you draw 1 andal 1 ash bestiari and a darius? Nothing. And this happens like 50% of times cause 70% of deck is monsters that cant activate with normal summon. I think the tribrigade version is much more consistent

    • @idkwatimdoingtbh
      @idkwatimdoingtbh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@YoucanNotadvance1 literally just play tribrigades at that point. no point in making the deck worse by adding glad beast cards to it. Also if you're bricking 50% of your hands you're either really bad and don't see the lines or your deckbuilding is trash, sorry but i'm being real.

    • @YoucanNotadvance1
      @YoucanNotadvance1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@idkwatimdoingtbh I see you're a very triggerable troglo. First of all I play much harder combo deck than this one (check my videos). Second I play more meta decks than this and can say with certainty that this decklist has a lot of problems and depends on good hands to get ahead otherwise you lose vs most standard decks in plat 1 (yes i am also plat 1). Next time think before talking kiddy.

    • @player1gaming393
      @player1gaming393 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@idkwatimdoingtbh agree cos no deck is perfect and cant brick.but to brick at 50%?come on glad beast got some 1 card combo,so for 50% brick,i guess it is your incompetency to build the deck or see the combo posibility

  • @kaz9781
    @kaz9781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice some counters to maxx c i would reccomend are called by the grave, ash blossom and crossout designator

  • @roninzero12
    @roninzero12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't droplet be better than chariot?

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chariot and Droplet would really be completely different cards for this Deck. Chariot is only in there because it's searchable by Test Panther and has synergy with Respite and Sagatarii, but honestly, I'd consider dropping the Chariot. Droplet, on the other hand, would probably best be used as a card for disabling an opponent's monster effects so that you can combo off when you have to go 2nd - but I don't think I'd use it in this Deck, because the cost of sending cards to the Graveyard seems too steep for this Deck to handle, since it lacks Graveyard effects and has trouble recovering cards when it falls behind.

  • @enex193pro8
    @enex193pro8 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Using your exact same deck with same cards and not getting any wins.. even if I use the same strategies.. it is so frustrating.. last match I played he made me go 2nd and in his 1st turn with a pendulum deck, he just made my LP to 0 and couldn't even play.. and every single time I go 2nd they already have all things set and negate every my effect so I can't even start the match.. Something in this deck needs to be changed..

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This Deck sometimes struggles breaking fields, which is why you want to go first when you're using it. Nibiru fits in well if you want to improve your going-second games, since you can so easily destroy the Token with Gyzarus. The Tri-Brigade Gladiator Beast build is also stronger going second than this Deck is.

  • @tiger1rock
    @tiger1rock 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    where do you get rescue rabbit from ?

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rescue Rabbit is an Ultra Rare in the "Forest Friends" pack.

    • @tiger1rock
      @tiger1rock 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KohanimTCG thanks, any idea how do i unlock forest freind`s pack ? do i need to unpack master packs till i get it ?

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tiger1rock You can unlock any specific pack for 24 hours by crafting a Super Rare or Ultra Rare from that set, or pulling a Super Rare or Ultra Rare from that set randomly in a pack. This includes the Forest Friends pack. You can always craft any card too.

  • @cerezamaia3614
    @cerezamaia3614 ปีที่แล้ว

    th-cam.com/video/o0NEfMjZMeY/w-d-xo.html
    1st turner - Domitianus³ + Heraklinos + Apollousa + Tamer + Zealantis

  • @thegbboy01
    @thegbboy01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you show your deck profile and when playing it is different, you use pot and other cards, lol.

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The earlier replays are from some earlier builds of the Deck. The current build is listed above, with the following changes made since then: I've removed Nerokius and one Gyzarus from the Extra Deck for a copy of Cross-Sheep and a copy of Knightmare Unicorn. I also removed the Infinite Impermanence from the Main Deck for a copy of Called by the Grave.

  • @tylerschilling2926
    @tylerschilling2926 ปีที่แล้ว

    says pure gladiator beasts but has several non gladiator beasts in it

    • @KohanimTCG
      @KohanimTCG  ปีที่แล้ว

      "Pure", as in, it isn't mixed with other archetypes. You can't expect me drop Maxx "C", Ash Blossom, or Rescue Rabbit ;)

    • @tylerschilling2926
      @tylerschilling2926 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KohanimTCG I'm more so referring to the extra deck

  • @letsgodeezymusic130
    @letsgodeezymusic130 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Noooooooo dont expose the deck bro wtf this is the only deck i use in master duel now everybody else will use it