Tulku business, a leaked video from a 3rd party source, we can't verify the context of this video.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ส.ค. 2020
- Dzongsar Khyentse, an eminent Lama in Tibetan Buddhism, which has this strange phenomenon of Tulku, which often are like Feudal Lords...
Here is caught candidly speaking about his own hollow feelings about Tulku system...
(We cannot verify the date or place of this recording)
To my ear, and I listened carefully, Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche is speaking specifically to these parents about a very specific 7 year old and giving information that is specific to this situation. He is cautioning them to be careful and is providing sensible advice on how to best raise the child for optimal mental and emotional health. In the channel notes from the person who “leaked” this video - he/she called Tulkus a “strange phenomenon”. It’s not a Western phenomenon - but calling it “strange” is just a cultural bias/judgement. Also labeling RInpoche’s feelings as “hollow” is quite a projection. Nothing has been “leaked” here except for a very wise person giving specific advice to a family raising a child who has been recognized as a Tulku. And his advice seems very compassionate and sensible.
I'm one of those kids. His advice is spot on.
it's not caught he's quite open about this issue bro
DJ Khyentse Rimpoche has never made any secret of his objections to the trulku system. He often speaks about the way culture can hijack teachings. There is no need to sensationalise.
buddhistleaks, you (and whomever "we" is) are on the wrong track with the title for this video (and perhaps your intent), and that's not helpful on any level. The information and topic Rinpoche is discussing is not a "leak", it's from some talks he's given openly to the public. He's been clear and outspoken about his opinion of the tulku system for many, many years, and he's certainly in a position to know what he's talking about. Your title is click bait at the very least, and at the worst, could confuse others about what the truth is, what Rinpoche's intent is, and more. If you don't want to mislead (and possibly hurt) others with future posts, you need to rethink your tactics. There are helpful ways to show concerns you may have about how a spiritual teaching or spiritual teachers, lamas, masters, etc. have done things over the centuries and are doing them today, including working inside and outside of the tulku system, but this is not it.
Probably a chinese troll channel
This is not a leak. Every prominent Lamas have shared their opinions on Tulku malfunction.
orientalism strikes!?
Rinpoche has always been open about his feelings regarding this. Not a leak at all.
'caught candidly speaking' ....'caught'? He wasn't 'caught' this is a publicly obtainable video in which he expresses his own ideas on a very reasonable and compassionate approach to the question of choosing a Tulku. Your cheap 'click bait' title reads like he is admitting some kind of criminality in business. NO WONDER YOU ONLY HAVE 3 SUBSCRIBERS - WHO ARE THEY - YOU, YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER????
He is well-known as a critic of the Tulku system, even though he is one of them. Vajrayana Buddhism will have to change. If it is to survive into the future, the system will have to become more Democratic. Democracy is completely true to the esence of the Buddha Dharma.
We have secular religion in the US, some call it Progressivism etc. There are beliefs within it ,that must never be questioned just like a belief religion even if they are without basis. Some are integrating this into Vajrayana, future generations will have to weed it out. This is not a judgement of someones subjective belief system, but an observation of humans trying to validate a particular set of current cultural conceptions by merging it with Buddhism. It seems to be very human. As Shamanism mixed with Buddhism in Tibet, the culture war has entered the Buddha communities. I heard a lecture full of far left talking points saying that these beliefs must be taken up as dogma by Vajrayana practitioners. She didn't use the word dogma, but what she was teaching was modern dogma. The Tulku system was Tibetan Dogma and was abused ( and still is ) for profit and gain. We have our own , but can't see it. It's what I love about the good Rinpoche's , they casually toss it at our feet and we have to see our own subjectivity. This one especially.
No no no no no....to him..and he even state this himself..He detest so called Democratic...He's not an easy to define person and real holy person.
He is rinpoche not tulku
Democracy is orthogonal to Buddhism and historically unrelated actually. And Rinpoche has never suggested or advocated for that btw.
Rinpoche is neither pro-democracy nor against it. He persistently writes in his many posts that democracy like all human systems has loopholes and cracks. It’s better to have a birds eye view of every situation rather than being pro-this or anti-this, rather than trying to put everything into a category to see things without bias to one set of beliefs over another.
I mean, clearly this is an interview that Rinpoche knows is happening. Like he knows he's being recorded. So how is this a "leak"?
Great respect for this Lama. The only question is here is whether he gave consent for recording, and for sharing publicly the recording. Either way There is nothing in this vid that he would not say publicly, because this guy is too smart and genuine. If Rinpoche does not consent to having this enlightened speech, that was probably given as private advice to some parents, it should be removed. I am sure however that Rinpoche would consent to this talk being public as it can be useful to many other parents who think may have produced a tulku.
I feel that the word 'leaked' makes the video sound verboten or taboo. I have been DJKR's student for 15 years and my experience is that he would publicly express these sentiments about the Tulku system with no hesitation.
I am Tulku and age 26.
Rinpoche really said what I am feeling... 😥😥😥😥😢😢😢
I wish people see me as a human cuz I am....😭😭😭
Just don’t be a NEET.
I wish someone came and recognised me just so I could practice more freely.
I never blindly believe that "find the reincarnation " thing.
Maybe true maybe not.
Because padmasambhava and many masters said " Recognize your inherent Buddha nature, your real nature, awareness itself.
That's the point ( or supposed to be) to wake up to non conceptual Awareness
( see rigpa, Dharmakaya, etc ) mind essence. Rituals help, mantras are awesome but we must recognize our true Being.
AND if the Tulku is so high level he will benefit beings even if he is a dishwasher! 😊☺
He gave a dhamma talk about Abbhidarma on Siddhartha's Intent channel february this year and talked openly about this subject also, it is not a secret at all. It is important information for sure and there is nothing here that can be seen as a leak.
click biat this NOT LEAKED...it is publicly available
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This is not a leak
Rinpoche is the true jewel of Buddhism💐💐💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏
Comon man, leaked? He’s obviously speaking to a larger audience knowing that this is being recorded. And its very genuine words that are being said, very heartfelt, i dont see how this is scandalous
Such excellent advice for anyone who is waking up spiritually to their Buddha nature, Thank you DKR
I'm one of Rinpoches students, sadly I was attracted to the word leaked...looks like in going to have to read a penthouse magazine in front of everyone at the next teaching
Very tender feelings and great wisdom. His compassion for the children comes through very clearly.
Hes open about all of this all of the time and he is the worlds preeminent vajrayana mind
I can’t imagine there are people who try to hate on Buddhism. How sick and sad.
Rinpoche having been treated as a Tulku yourself, we know you have first-hand experience about how you feel Tulkus have been treated. You do not have to be Mahasiddha to know how you have been treated and how that bears fruit and results.
Karmapa 16 was very skillful in his continuation to Karmapa 17! His prediction letter Karmapa entrusted to HH Situ Rinpoche and enshrouded the prediction letter in a cloak of secrecy. When Karmapa gave this letter to Situ Rinpoche, Karmapa 16 told Situ Rinpoche to “Keep this close to your body because it would be very important in the future.”
After Karmapa’s Parinirvana, Situ Rinpoche searched for 10 or 15 years asking everybody if Karmapa had left them with something. After searching everywhere, Situ remembered that Karmapa 16 had given him something. So funny that Rinpoche was searching everywhere while all along it was actually “right under his nose”! Like the Nature of Mind it was “too close and too simple”!
Searching for the prediction letter gave K17 time to grow up with his family although signs at the time of K17's birth all the local families knew that this was a “special” rebirth.
Knowing that the modern man would be very skeptical about not only reincarnation but also the continuation of the same stream of consciousness from one life to the next, Karmapa was so skillful that his new incarnation, K17, looks extremely similar to his prior incarnation, K16. For me, this removed all doubt! ☸
I am sorry, but there is something that confuses me in your comment. How can there be talk of Parinirvana first and rebirth second if Parinirvana implies the cessation of cyclical birth and death?
It is up to us, with all our preconceptions, expectations, cravings and aversions, to handle our own reactions to the behaviour of these unusual human individuals. Thank you Rinpoche, your teachings are always wonderful.
Change the title man, you are highlighting the words that sounds negative without actually understanding what He is talking about,. As you know and understand what actually he is explaining, there is nothing to give this video the title you have given.
This is not a leak. He is clearly producing content 😂
seems perfectly reasonable to me. your big “leak” is a non-event.
This isn't leaked video... this was one of his public teaching.
"Leaked" 😂
Excelent and wise advise - from my point of view. The world is changing... So, some method must be adapted to the new world in order to have a better answers.
Yes pretty sure his nephew who was recognized as a Tulku to his father’s reincarnation. His brother is also a Tulku lama.
Remind me of this documentary where this lama is a reincarnated Tulku but did not enter the Tulku business. He must have great merit and damn lucky.THE Mountain YOGI | Pooye Lama Gomchen Milarepa | Documentry on Gobind lama th-cam.com/video/vgFm2I3lnRU/w-d-xo.html
I have long harboured my own skeptical feelings about the tulku system. I have no doubt that some Tibetan lamas consciously reincarnate as certain individuals. But I think the number is smaller than Tibetan Buddhism maintains. Is the 17th Karmapa the reincarnation, or A reincarnation, of the 16th Karmapa? Yes.
Was Chogyam Trungpa the reincarnation of the previous Trunpgas? Ehhh...I have my doubts. Certainly, early on he was recognized as being different from the previous Trungpa tulkus. But that doesn't mean he _was_ one of them. He may have just been a dude, educated in the Tibetan system, and that's the end of it. A degree of spiritual power, probably passed down from past lives, but...a lot of non-tulkus with spiritual power passed down from past lives have spiritual power. So...
This leads to another question - the Tibetan system of choosing tulkus would never pass a double-blind placebo-controlled study test. Never. So how accurate is it, really?
And why the HELL are almost all of the tulkus male? What gives? What if many of them are actually coming back as women to undercut the sexism of the Tibetan system, and are not being recognized as a result?
Trungpa saved my life.
th-cam.com/video/qLIoN1TBMMY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_zRA5yxtqKcQp1Zh
A wise caution against "entitlement," an arrogance that can mislead, destroy, much more than it can enlighten. A true Tulku like a true Teacher--the signs will be unmistakeable and will arise without anyone tampering or pressuring the child.
Long live Rinpoche La❤❤
Awesome, thank you.
Good instructions to Tulku parents, great for this leak. May all tulkus parents get good advise before shouting out to all The world.
this video wins the most stupid title of this century
Tulku can be good and bad on personal level but system is open for exploitation. All Jihadist are not bad person.
This is certainly not the "sick burn" you appear to think it is.
The immense attention and expectation are probably the worst imprisonment to be given to a child that hinders his proper mental development. ❤
What audience would these new - found tulkus be addressing? Tibetans will likely think it is some sort of outreach to Westerners, and Westerners not already familiar with the tulku system will largely find the entire framework outdated. And, aside from the problems such as entitlement and emotional immaturity as the child is growing up, it will be even worse when he as an adult, is on the throne. and the Western audience will be whispering "the emperor has no clothes"! Even worse if the child, now adult, actually has the siddhi of reading minds and perceives this. Look around and notice the average age of your sangha members. May we all reassemble in the pure lands!, but I don't see it as viable going forward in the context of the younger generations. The Western tulkus of the future will have to find teaching methods more appropriate to Western culture. In this case, an actual tulku will find the imposed and inappropriate teaching methods to be an actual impediment.
be here now do no harm help others be still close eyes listen to your breathing.
Smart, compassionate, brave, honest. Very admirable. These little guys are the first not to grow up shielded from public scrutiny at all times. Anyway, the human mind is not oriented to this type of endeavor anymore, if it every was and wasn't just a lot of smoke and mirrors.
Where are all the cave dwellers now that we have phone cameras, you know? Buddhism will survive and thrive without the tribal business.
Esoteric buddhism like vajrayana is not fundamentally designed to fit every sociocultural ecosystem. Check compatibility before you blindly adopt it as your spiritual guidebook
I absolutely agree with ❤️❤️
I have been trying to practice Vajrayana Buddhism for several years now. Frankly speaking, for years I viewed with a certain superiority complex everything that had to do with other forms of Buddhism : Theravada, Zen, etc. I used to believed (like many) that Lamaism was the "higher" form of Buddhism (esoteric Buddhism) I must say that these practices did have a profound effect on my mind, but I still don't know if it was always positive. Along with these powerful visions and experiences came -sometimes- bouts of anxiety, or depression. The answer of some is that they were "purifications". To this day I believe that Tibetan lamaism mixes authentic teachings of the Buddha with certain heterodox practices of Indian Tantrism, as well as Bön animism and all this finds its "form" -of political order- in that of a feudal society (tibetan society before the still unjustified and barbaric communist invasion) but that in effect it was a society that was not equal, on the contrary it was highly hiérarchieside, violent and sexist. So, now, after verifying that the cases of tulkus who take advantage of their condition are repeated, it is difficult to understand what the search for power and money, has to do with the Buddha's teachings. it seems that their organizational (political) system is incompatible with the teachings they preach.
Your tantric vows would have advised against that view
Of coarse Vajrayana originated with "Indian" Tantra (look up Oddiana and the Indus Valley Shaivism) and the Buddha himself came from the Vedic tradition. But there is nothing to be ashamed about or to deny in this regard - as Tantra in it's TRUE form is both nonsectarian AND non-dual in its view.
You should study study study ALL forms of Tantra to understand its trans cultural and pan religious nature.
Dont be a "Buddhist"..be AWAKE!
Wonderful.
when it comes to the thinking mind, our opinions are our confessions
Do you forgive them?
I take from this not that the Tulku system is "bad" in itself, but simply from a past era, and in many cases no longer applicable to or efficacious in these times, especially when applied by rote, in the traditional way. From a personal perspective, this cautions us as practitioners that not all Tulku can be taken at face value. This seemed very rational and well thought out to me. Ie., being scandalized is another form of attachment. Practice discernment, rather than seeking to pass judgement.
Finally, honesty! Bravo. Just pay $100K to the highest lama for a Tulku title.
It’s just common sense, based on the observation that many if not all high-profile so-called Rinpoches are the opposite of enlightened, that their Tulku status was a financial or political purchase or amounts to mere self-appointment. And he’s right, the Tulku age with real leadership has come and gone with the Parinirvanas of all but a very few possibly enlightened lamas. This makes it very difficult to practise Dharma, because the Enlightened Lama is the seeker’s most important necessity. The great Lamas are in Nirvana, while those remaining are not mostly mediocre. But maybe it doesn’t matter whether the Lama is enlightened, for among the Western disciples, even with great lamas of 1960-1990, only 1 out of 10000 Western disciples attained enlightenment.
Kyapso chey. 🙏🌸🌻🌺🌼🙏 💯 true.
Ffs this is widely known information
Hes sd this many times .
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Isn’t t he himself a tulku
Precisely why he knows so much about the topic
yes but unlike other tulkus he said he does not remember a thing about any previous lives at all.... where other tulkus can remember many details since an early age as is said of Lama Zopa Rinpoche and others.
Not all Tulkus are malfunctioned. Most are good. It’s the few rotten ones that get the attention and people exaggerate it
Shut up
In future the institution of tulku system will cause downfall of vajrayana buddhism
steven seagal A perfect example ? 😂😂😂
Doesn't mean you can't be a fruitcake if you were born under an apartheid and raised on cold war propaganda.
If "Tulku" is a thing and the guy is a Tulku, it will show and you won't have to foist it on him. Foist it on him and you will have a spoiled brat in no time.
ok
what a stupid title of this video.
in fact I think you should go for a competition of the most stupid title.
there definitely is a chance of a win here! go for it 👍
They can´t speak because of the facade. you make me laugh so much, if that was truth you wouldn´t have this video
This (finally) explains why high ranking lamas can be narcissistic, entitled, abusive (sexually and emotionally), concealers and deceivers.
& also light bringers.
Dude u Bodhi-trolling!
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people here mad because they want so bad to fullfill their imagination
The days of tulku should end. The days of guru and guru yoga should end as well. The days of the "whispered lineage" should also end. All aspects of Dharma should be available to all without hierarchy or inequality. I practice Tantra and I can tell you I have had many teachers and taken many vows, but I am only human and my teachers are only human. There are profound and subtle aspects of the Dharma and especially Tantra (Vajrayana) that require extensive education and experience, and these will be of great benefit both in thus lufe and at the moment of passing. But the awakening is within the practitioner, within the student, its up to THEM to walk the path and recognize their own nature. The Dharma is the most personal & intimate thing there is, but the more you focus on these EXTERNAL and DUALISTIC factors as mentioned above the more obstacles you create within the practitioner. We need PURE Dharma and genuine Dharma, not more ego and obstacles. Open up the precious and profound Dharma to ALL. All are human, All are Buddhas!
Reply from a senior teacher within the JAPANESE VAJRA tradition ( SHINGON ) :
It is VERY, VERY dangerous what you are promoting . Please be aware that along the lines of COSMOLOGICAL analysis BUDDHA SAKYA taught us ( in accord with the BHAVACHAKRA ), it is an entirely non-controversial BUDDHIST assumption that the forces of MARA attempt -- willfully, systematically, and in careful cooperation with human enterprise -- to undo the superior teachings of the DHARMA . Along these lines, the modern forces of anti-BUDDHIST propaganda ( e . g . CCP ) ACTIVELY hunt / disparage the reputation of our ancestral institutions -- TULKU included -- in an attempt to undo their cultural relevance and destroy the BUDDHADHARMA .
In fact, according to the ACTUAL philosophical sweep of your argument I almost have to wonder -- are you paid to read from the CCP pulpit / brochure, sir ? Part of the problem with not taking the supernatural assumptions of VAJRA-style BUDDHISM seriously is that you are personally " disarmed / liable before MARA " -- meaning you do not possess the philosophical basis to resist the methods by which he ( MARA ) might run away with your very tongue ... !
Nevertheless, as is the case in all instances where our behavior may be in doubt : may we take refuge before the TRIPLE GEM, seek mutual restraint, and be excused from the promulgation of ADHARMIC speech / philosophy which is well known to ruin the precious storehouse of our accumulated merit .
@@senorbeckon
@senorbeckon @senorbeckon The only thing I am "promoting" is open direct access to pure Dharma, free of dualistic, sectarian hierarchies that are inconsistent at best, and even worse, elitist, exclusionary and abusive.
I have NOT spoken against the profound, subtle "super natural" elements of Tantra -Vajrayana, only the hypocrisy and dualistic confusion of packaging them in certain "containers" who have managed to be convinced (or convinced themselves) that they are "exceptional."
What makes someone "special" in this regard is their long studies, their experience, skill, sensitivities and articulational abilities to convey the truth - but "special" does NOT come by birth status, race or rank or title. "Do, but don't entitle, rank or lable" would be my motto.
The Dharma is profound, Tantra is profound, the "secrets" of Vajrayana are profound... but, presented through a mechanism preference and selectivity that merely introduces another dualistic concept and increases the ILLUSION of individual ego, they are like the demons we face in the Bardo state, pure in nature but dualistic in appearance.
I have had many great teachers who on occasion have conveyed some fairly bad information. I have also occasionally encountered some really bad teachers who have similarly conveyed some very helpful information. From the ultimate perspective such things are **all good** in that they are of one nature which cuts through the fears and hopes of the ego. I am grateful to all and for all.
You began your response by declaring your own "credentials" as a "senior teacher" as if that means the slightest thing to me OR to the truth of the Dharma. There is, in your declaration, more than a bit of irony. It's an example of the tricky nature of maya, the ego, the lord of demons. Perhaps you should consider what I am saying and not jump to conclusions in support of your "high" status? How will that help you in the long run anyway?
May you have happiness.
May you be free of sorrow.
May you be never separated from true happiness free of sorrow. May you abide forever in equanimity, free of grasping, free of aversion.
🙏❤
God damnit (no pound intended)
You though lamas were extraterrestrial or zombies or ghosts or semi gods?
Amén to what that japanese pastor said
this man looks mad
Interpretation is in the mind of the beholder.
@@TheFlyingBrain. agree. but madness is also madness. (importantly I am not saying whether that is the case or not).
sometimes it is good to be mad, especially if one is looking for a reason.
and it's very easy to judge people by how they look... before our eyes. Fortunately, to form a judgment about "this man" there is a lot of information. He has written many books, he has given hundreds of talks, teachings and conferences, he has filmed several films, and in fact he is quite well known... he is one of the most important figures in an entire region on the planet... you can go and Try to assimilate all that information so that you are not left with just your personal impressions of "how it looks.
Yes, he is. For people like me and you he is totally nuts!