Baldur's Gate 3 Guide: Optimal Party Composition

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  • @Fextralife
    @Fextralife  ปีที่แล้ว +42

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    • @dametreuspppp8734
      @dametreuspppp8734 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      can yall do a tier list and a op team

    • @Deschel88
      @Deschel88 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any good Group combo for a Monk? I really want to play a Monk on Campain @Fextralife

    • @Deschel88
      @Deschel88 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe my Monk, Wyll, Shadowheart and Astarion?

    • @krucafuks123
      @krucafuks123 ปีที่แล้ว

      speaking with animals is pretty neat for fuller experience

    • @Vak_Fairmont
      @Vak_Fairmont ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I'm a fighter in Multiplayer and it's fun, except I cannot do any talking anymore
      Checks are too unforgiving, makes sad

  • @nemesis7884
    @nemesis7884 ปีที่แล้ว +3857

    you should have a bard that plays the lute, one that plays the drums, one that plays the flute and one that sings - thats a full band

    • @nyarparablepsis872
      @nyarparablepsis872 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Like in Kings of the Wyld 😎

    • @Chriswsm
      @Chriswsm ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Did that in Lord of the Rings Online

    • @fka2337
      @fka2337 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      A lore support caster, a swords combat specialist, a valor bardcher utility and bardlock offensive caster - they are all dialogue specialists. Bard is the only class you need

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@fka2337bard would be op in DnD 5e if cleric didn't exist 😂

    • @duress8801
      @duress8801 ปีที่แล้ว +230

      Just play four bards with bows and call the party - Arrowsmith

  • @jasonschad5379
    @jasonschad5379 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    I really think that Barb should be added to the list for dialogue specialist...So far, whenever I want something to go my way, roaring at who ever I'm talking to generally gets me the outcome that I want. It might not be eloquent dialogue, but its very effective.

    • @bodycounter9386
      @bodycounter9386 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I can't imagine playing a Barbarian and letting other people lead conversations. There are so many class-specific dialogue options for Barbarians.

  • @keldor8302
    @keldor8302 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    I struggle immensely with party optimization and balancing it against my character ideas/morality. My other issue, is that I want to engage in the conversations with MY character, and not the companions. Unless, of course, I chose to play one of the origin characters. But, there's one aspect that I'm trying to drill into my head with BG3. And it's that, there's experiences to be had, and gained, by NOT playing through the game with a dialogue expert or even a utility character. Not being able to talk your way out of trouble is EXACTLY what a Barbarian main character is likely to prefer. Trying to play the game to my main character and fitting the group around them is what I'm trying to do. If I can optimize, great. But, I'm not sweating the "dialogue expert" part any more. A perfect example of this is right near the beginning of the game. If you don't take a main character with access to Talk With Animals and/or Animal Handling. There's an interaction with a boar that you don't get at all. The classes most likely to get those things are NOT dialogue experts, typically. There's elements to this game that will only be enjoyed by not bringing a character that's good at conversations as the one to engage with conversations. As they will have other aspects. The looters in the ruins, if you goof whilst sneaking up to the gnome on the box with Astarian. He calls EVERYONE over. I thought I was screwed and would need to reload my quick save. Instead, there was an intimidate option where he flashes his fangs. The entire troop buggered off. In all my times playing Early Access, I never experienced that. It happened because of a mistake I made. And THAT is where BG3 is going to set a precedent that other RPG's will struggle to meet.
    tl;dr - don't sweat having a dialogue expert. Play the game with interacting as the main character in the way that character would interact. It's a far more rewarding experience. Also, if your biggest concern with "Utility" is someone to handle traps and locks. Any class can get proficiency with the right background or subclass options. Don't sweat it.

    • @Overloaded45
      @Overloaded45 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      yeah there's a lot of branching conversations and amusing bits if you don't ace all conversations. It's part of what make bg3 such a special game.

    • @ThePolkadog
      @ThePolkadog ปีที่แล้ว +9

      This was honestly kind of relieving to hear. I want to play as my character and not optimise or do everything perfectly snd it's nice to know that gaining a "bad" outcome isn't necessarily bad

    • @vallum12100
      @vallum12100 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thought it was weird how it wasnt mentioned how Barbarianshas their own dialog options JUST for them!

    • @jekkin8972
      @jekkin8972 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@vallum12100most classes and races do

    • @kestrel1234
      @kestrel1234 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You do not struggle with walls of text.
      I do.

  • @torsten4558
    @torsten4558 ปีที่แล้ว +343

    Utility could be done by many classes! Trickster cleric, wizard, ranger etc. It could also be split on the party. (druid can make wisdom + intelligence; wizard with high dex could pick locks etc.) Don´t be afraid if you not have a"perfect" party. It´s part of the experience to fail at some situations. It can make your adventure more interesting!

    • @gossymer.
      @gossymer. ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I've have gale go sneaking in the underdark alone thanks to feather fall and have used Shadow heart for lock picking, utility can definitely be covered. I find the hardest but the perception and investigation checks while exploring - high wis and int checks are key to finding stuff.

    • @rogen8094
      @rogen8094 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      True! I chose light cleric w/ Persuade proficiency + Shadowheart (trickery cleric) during Early Access and it worked very well. I let SH do a lot of the utility and support casting, while my MC was more offensive caster + dialogue specialist. Lae'zael for Combat specialist and Gale for extra damage + int checks

    • @ducky36F
      @ducky36F ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Think Wizard is getting heavily underrated for utility by the crpg community more used to having to use rogues for those things. Wizard spells like knock, dimension door, fly and invisibility are all in the game and all good utility.

    • @garion046
      @garion046 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @ducky36F Agree. The tabletop community know spells are the ultimate utility in most situations. Wizards being able to swap preparations outside combat at will means they will be amazing swiss army knives of utility casting. It should also be remembered that their intelligence will make them good at solving puzzles and reading text or making history, religion, nature or arcana checks, which are also useful utility in many cases.

    • @jmass4207
      @jmass4207 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@garion046I usually see casting a spell to solve some environmental encounter as a win button you’d like to avoid if possible. At least a good dm will be able to provide balance when the god wizard is doing everything and the rogue is uselessly brooding in the corner. Make them feel the used up spell slots later on.

  • @lancesaraceno902
    @lancesaraceno902 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Dude thank you so much for this video. It’s exactly what i was looking for going forward. As someone who has never played d&d before this was perfect for me. Cant wait

  • @garion046
    @garion046 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    I think it's worth highlighting the wizard here. It is far more than an offensive spellcaster, given the ability to swap spells outside of combat. It can solve many utility problems and also provide intelligence to solve puzzles or read runes or know history that might progress you through a section. They are the only intelligence class, so without one, you might potentially find items that are useless for your party.
    Taking one level of fighter up front (and maybe later 2) also gives wizards a massive defensive boost so consider that if you are interested in multiclassing.

    • @AresThePoss
      @AresThePoss ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I’ve found that unless I already have a wizard, I NEED multiple utility characters with different skill variation. Usually running an eldritch knight, arcane trickster, or just dumping a stat so I can have a decent intelligence. Wizard has been slept on here, because I think people forget how versatile wizard spell casting truly is.

    • @patrickmulder2450
      @patrickmulder2450 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      in my current playthrough I use a Wizard (my char) as the face of the party as well. He got the Diplomacy skill from his background. Use the friend cantrip (Other enchantment magic) and guidance from cleric to buff it and I've rarely missed any checks in conversation so far. Might be a bit more limited since he's only got one conversation skill, but advantage alone can get you far.

    • @lololol924
      @lololol924 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      This. The knock spell removed my need for a utility character entirely. And even without it, you get so many thieves tools, you can brute force locks with a low-moderate dex character
      Also...who the hell uses a party member as a dialogue specialist? I made my custom character, so I obviously want to be the one having conversations....even if I'm not a charisma class.
      Those 2 roles are entirely not needed

    • @CompletelyNewguy
      @CompletelyNewguy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Also depending on their subclass they can double the amount of potions they can make. Using enhance ability and guidance can almost guarantee double potions. This is great if you’re making some valuable potions to sell or use.

    • @lololol924
      @lololol924 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Also, I did some testing. You can break locked chests (assuming they aren't trapped) and it won't destroy ANY loot inside. Have confirmed this in my playthrough and with other TH-cam videos testing it.
      Confirmed that a lockpicker is entirely unneeded in this game outside of trying to be stealthy and stealing without getting caught.

  • @Ethan_Coble
    @Ethan_Coble ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I would argue that Druid can also be placed into utility. There are a lot of places that Druids can get to with wildshape in the game that other classes simply cannot. They can also naturally speak with animals.

  • @MattyIce213
    @MattyIce213 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    I'd argue that Clerics could go in the Utility category as well because of Guidance. Guidance is really the ultimate utility ability, it helps with literally every skill check and gives you a decent chance at passing a lot of them even if you don't have someone who's amazing at them.

    • @leoleo1035
      @leoleo1035 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Really good when aiming for those "perfect" playthroughs where you may hit most checks.
      Does it apply to dialogues and interactions though?

    • @Sargon-ml4hs
      @Sargon-ml4hs ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@leoleo1035 Unless they've changed it, you can apply guidance to ability checks in dialogues, hilariously you can have shadowheart guide you while making an ability check against her.

    • @garion046
      @garion046 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Agree. Guidance is absolutely critical imo. However the good thing is with no multiclassing stat requirements, a 1 level dip into cleric is viable for literally any build so you can always pick up guidance, bless, and a subclass to suit and solve it that way.

    • @JimmyMon666
      @JimmyMon666 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Sargon-ml4hs My question about Shadowheart is how good can she be at picking locks. I don't really want to run with Astarian, but I will if I have to. I'd rather use Shadowheart for utility. If I do end up running with Astarian I'll probably multi class him with a ranger since I'm not big on single class rogues.

    • @Sargon-ml4hs
      @Sargon-ml4hs ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JimmyMon666 I mean, she has proficiency in sleight of hand. Sure, she doesn’t have expertise so she just gets full proficiency bonus + dex mod instead of twice proficiency + dex mod. Also shadowheart guarantees you have access to guidance assuming you keep her class. To the best of my understanding there is no increase in DC when you fail a lockpicking check and there are plenty of thieves tools at least in the first part of the game. The bigger issue is that you’d need to make sure someone in your party has proficiency in perception to detect traps. TLDR I think you can get by with shadowheart for sleight of hand checks. The only downside will be super late game where a dex based class will have been pumping dex instead of wisdom and prof bonus is larger making the disparity between expertise and no expertise larger.
      Editing because of changes between EA and release. Shadowheart got hit pretty hard in terms of lock picking ability. They changed her background from urchin to acolyte meaning she no longer has sleight of hand proficiency. Also due to racial changes she no longer has a +1 racial bonus to Dex so I’d recommend having someone else deal with locks/traps. Or have a martial character just destroy whatever you’re trying to get into.

  • @KazuYuuu
    @KazuYuuu ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Keep in mind that although wizard is the only class that purely scales with INT in the game, there's at least one early game item which can set INT to a flat value of 17 and you can use that item on a character that has proficiency is INT skill checks even if they dumped intelligence for some decent coverage of skills like Arcana, History, and Investigation

    • @garion046
      @garion046 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      While this is true, the wizard has the advantage of incredible spell utility at will, can learn new spells, and has excellent offensive and control options.
      And if you get items that boost int orherwise the wizard is by far the best user of them, and can make use of all other caster focused items too. So there's still good reasons to pick a wizard!

    • @rogen8094
      @rogen8094 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      *Lump the Enlightened disapproves*

    • @TheSergio1021
      @TheSergio1021 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      As much as I like ability score-upgrading gear, that design is just stupid, and should be reserved only for late game

    • @CsStrez
      @CsStrez ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Personally that item seems perfect for someone like a Arcane Trickster rogue or Eldritch Fighter, allowing them to dump int in character creation to have high str/dex/con etc, and then get 17int for free.

    • @5-Volt
      @5-Volt ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@CsStrezI did that in EA. Made a Gith Wizard that dumped INT for STR & CON and was a shitty fighter because I still had prof in heavy armor & weapons until I got the circlet. Then I was a good wizard with a high ass AC. Lol

  • @Clayton0301
    @Clayton0301 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I consider myself a novice when it comes to this game, so I feel myself questioning every decision I make and I was nervous to have fun. I really appreciate this video breakdown, it was so helpful and I think my gaming experience will be that much better! Sorry for the long winded message, hope anyone who sees this has a great day ♥️

  • @OrangeNebula
    @OrangeNebula ปีที่แล้ว +507

    In DOS2, we found that Dialogue specialists were often better with a martial class as they many times would lead to combat and be positioned in the middle of what immediately turned into a hostile group. If the dialogue specialist was a caster or ranger with a bow, often times this would lead to not getting optimal range as the dialogue triggered combat. Wondering if this will be the case on BG3

    • @bobbobby475
      @bobbobby475 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      By level 3 most casters get access to misty step, even using items. Regardless tho, having 100% early access multiple times in multiple ways I believe it's fine to have your squishy character chat and it lead to combat

    • @zuzannapuchaa9427
      @zuzannapuchaa9427 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I was worried about that too but after playing EA it felt like positioning/high ground isn't as important in BG3 normal mode compared to DOS2. Obviously it gives a nice advantage, but I was able to immediately get good value from my ranged classes besides starting a fight in melee. Also in my opinion enemies are generally more scattered in BG3, they cast less AoE skills (it might change in later acts tho) and there is less enviromental effects (barrels etc). Sometimes having casters in melee range was beneficial because I could cast thunderwave on the enemy and one shoot them in one turn by knocking them off the edge.

    • @Viper3220
      @Viper3220 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yes. This. Your dialogue specialist should definitely not also be versed in stealth as Larian doesn't allow you to use the skills of other characters in dialogue but rather only the skills of the one who initiated dialogue.

    • @gossymer.
      @gossymer. ปีที่แล้ว +5

      One could also consider a caster with AoEs ranging from self and an exit strategy (thunder wave, misty step etc) - though if you know you're gonna be starting fights you could also pick deadly spells for the bbeg in touch range, like contagion etc or command to have them drop their powerful weapon and the book it 😂

    • @IAteYourSandwich
      @IAteYourSandwich ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Just have your Dialogue Specialist be a Bard with the Invisibility spell. Greater Invisibility or Dimension Door at higher levels, If a fight breaks out, you go invisible/teleport and get back.
      Make it a Valor Bard, not for the extra attack, you will barely use that, but for the Medium Armor and a Shield, for the couple enemies that roll higher than you on Initiative.
      Warlock and Sorcerer can do this too. Warlock gets Misty Step for example. But they don’t get Medium Armor and Shield without a Feat better used on something else.
      Bard also has some of the best support spells in the entire game.
      Whomever else needs to be far away to protect themselves and deal damage will also get ways to retreat, in the case of my own party, my Evoker Wizard will have Misty Step and Invisibility himself as well. And then blast in there with Sculpted Spells.
      While your bulkier, melee characters can just stay in there, in my case it will be Karlach as a Bear Totem Barbarian/Battle Master Fighter.

  • @travishartzler9155
    @travishartzler9155 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Having a party of 6 in BG1 and 2 made this easier, but the multiclassing system in BG3 helps a lot.

  • @FLStyle
    @FLStyle ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I'm leaning towards Astarion, Shadowheart, Karlach and my custom Sorcerer for my first playthrough which seems to match up well with your guide 👍

  • @ASoberBear
    @ASoberBear 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    So stop running 4 bears…?

  • @Inconspicuoustwrex
    @Inconspicuoustwrex ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Another way to build your group, you kinda hinted at, is by stat. You need a strong, a chatty, a dexy, a smart, and a wise character. You can combine strong and chatty, paladin, dexy and chatty, bard, dexy and wise, ranger, as examples. Generally, there are lots of dex, cha, and wis skills. So keeping those on separate characters lets your group cover more proficiencies.

  • @daanvandee257
    @daanvandee257 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This video is exactly what I needed. I always struggle to come up with a good party comp. I remember I wasted so much time and energy doing so with DoS2. And this game is much more deep when it comes to those options. Thx!

  • @Remilation
    @Remilation ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Few other tips I like to point out that i see being missed in alot of these party comp videos is as follows
    1 try and go for 2 melee / 2 Range This prevents bottle necking and overcrowding.
    2 Spread your Damage types. try not to all use slashing or piercing and different elements. This will help when you fight bosses immune to damage types. Keeping Extra weapons on hand to combat this isn't a bad idea either. Example my Barbarian Mainly ran with 2hnd Sword but also kept the 2 hand maul for fights that bludgeing damage was better.

  • @chrisbennett1358
    @chrisbennett1358 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The game is incredible. Waited over 20 years for it and it's beyond my expectations. I only have one tiny tiny criticism. I wish we could have a party of 6 like BG1 & BG2

  • @nyarparablepsis872
    @nyarparablepsis872 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Liezel the combat specialist is the German exchange fighter replacing Lae'zel while she takes a much needed vacation.

    • @Needlesse
      @Needlesse ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Laezel does give off German wibes tbh. In a good way!

    • @WhirlwindHeatAndFlash
      @WhirlwindHeatAndFlash ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Needlesse report now to your local work camp in order to receive mandatory happiness

    • @Fextralife
      @Fextralife  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      HA!

  • @c1pherx
    @c1pherx ปีที่แล้ว +77

    This game will consume way too much time for me. Can't wait! 😁

    • @grimmjow0106
      @grimmjow0106 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This isnt a game , it’s a portal to an adventure…. A transportive immersive exp that’ll last for years 😉

    • @some_random_guy_mk2
      @some_random_guy_mk2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Santa came early. 😄

    • @legitdragon6202
      @legitdragon6202 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep, I'm taking a little vacation time, and I'm sure some people would look at me sideways for not 'going somewhere' - well, I'm going to Baldur's Gate 😁

    • @odinulveson9101
      @odinulveson9101 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I need to touch as much grass and socialice before vanishing to Toril ( planet of Faerun, Sword Coast, Baldurs Gate )😁 And inbetween breaks! But taking a trip to the nearby forest and mountains might give me withdrawal illusions in form of seeing green dragons and forest gnomes😂

  • @DrukenReaps
    @DrukenReaps ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Something I might have added is you want 1 or 2 characters that can take a few serious hits without going down. Typically in these sorts of games if all your characters are squish you are not going to have a good time in combat. Though, following your suggestions here I think it'd be difficult to not have at least one tougher character.

    • @gossymer.
      @gossymer. ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The question becomes for you want a combat specialist who can soak up damage like a Barbarian or Mon druid or doesn't take damage in the first place due to heavy armor etc.
      And do you want to relegate then to the role of tank or do you want them to be dps instead, and take great weapon master or dual wield strong weapons in melee or using ki like a monk.
      Everyone can use weapons in game but combat specialists can make a fight like the one with the forge guardian a cake walk...

    • @jft0986
      @jft0986 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@gossymer.Maybe a barbarian with a speed potion? Multiple actions = high dmg, yet at the same time being tanky enough to take hits.
      Just chug another potion if the first one runs out of turns😂

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Common strategy I used in games like these is to actually have two martial beefcakes with high tankiness and damage both. And then use two casters to support the shit out of them. If you pair lets say Barb+paladin with bard and sorc, you basically use your two casters to make your two martials an absolute behemoths, with things like twinned haste from sorc, inspirations and buffs from bards, and controlling battlefield by hypnotic patterns and such, so you dont just get overrun. Casters really shine in this role, they are much more effective this way than just by dealing damage (except for fireballing dozens of kobolds ofc).
      Works wonders in solasta for example.
      Other way to do it is to use 3 casters and strong ranged - rogue/ranger/sorlock. You spec your cleric to be tanky meele caster, your druid to create meatshields by conjure and summon spells, last caster to suit your general needs, and one super strong ranged dps to wipe out everything in range that escapes your frontline.

  • @ianfowler9505
    @ianfowler9505 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Depending on sub classes and builds lots of the classes fit in categories outside your list. Wizards make great support casters, they can't heal but debuffs can be more effective than heals. Clerics can be built as pretty great offensive casters too. Or good in combat.

  • @rogadip
    @rogadip ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Monk should be on the utility list as well. High Dex and Wis means good lockpicking, disarming traps and perception. All the utility you really need.

    • @WhirlwindHeatAndFlash
      @WhirlwindHeatAndFlash ปีที่แล้ว +8

      and he shouldnt be on the combat specialist side because hes trash KEKW

    • @garion046
      @garion046 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Generally speaking in tabletop, I would say monks can be ok at these things, but without expertise they fall fairly far behind bards and rogues.
      I would, however, say that wizards can be incredible utility. They have a wide array of spells that can solve most of the situations listed, as well as adding flight or invisibility, and having the intelligence to solve puzzles, read runes or know history etc. Given that you can swap at will outside combat, wizards will almost always have the right tool for the job on hand.

    • @MrSmexyPain
      @MrSmexyPain ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Without expertise and without spells… very lacking.
      They’re a martial class and it kinda stops there. Like a fighter.

    • @charlock593
      @charlock593 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Monk is probably the worst class in the game

    • @StBurkeINC
      @StBurkeINC ปีที่แล้ว +5

      personally going shadow monk as a rogue equivalent

  • @themuzzy2020
    @themuzzy2020 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    My struggle is I know which companions I want to bring and also know what class I’ll start with, which leaves some of these bases uncovered. I’m also not interested in reclassing any of them because I want their story to feel as organic as possible.

    • @guillaumeprudhomme7630
      @guillaumeprudhomme7630 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have the same struggle. I want to do a good playthrough but don't feel like playing a ranger, rogue or bard. so.... I was going for tempest cleric as main, karlach wildheart barbarian, gale as wizard and .... astarion...? But hes evil and I dont like him haha

    • @vdhzeno
      @vdhzeno ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, same here. I'm going to play vengeance paladin and i want karlach in my party too, but i hate the overlap.

    • @SlickMajestic
      @SlickMajestic ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Don't over concern yourself. BG3 isn't a fraction as difficult as BG1 or BG2, and you really don't need an "ideal" party to go through the game. You can take two clerics if you want, or two rogues, etc. and you'll be fine. Enemies don't start turn with high level spellcasters that script-cast 10 different protective shields at the start of combat and then cast every known confusion/daze/hold/maze spell in existence at you in the first 5 seconds of combat like in the original two BGs. Someone who can pick locks and detect traps is still somewhat needed, like in the originals, but otherwise the party composition in this game isn't as important. Nor are you given the party slots to make it as important.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      really good solution is to take wyll as lvl2 warlock and multiclass him into bard for a shitton of skills/profficiencies/expertise. This way you keep your eldritch blast offensive progression and gets skill monkey, dialogue specialist AND support caster - covering 4 bases in one character.

  • @Bzk--
    @Bzk-- ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you so much for this video. I was still undecided on what to play and approaching it considering which party members i know i want helped me make up my mind. Funnily enough its exactly the first conposition you mentioned with karlach shadowheart and wyll 😂

  • @MarvelOfRain
    @MarvelOfRain ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some tips about the Utility role in case you (like) don't want to bring any of the 3 options - any character can be respeced to start with a single level of rogue to fill this role (Sleight of Hand and Perception expertise, Stealth and Insight proficiency). This can be very valuable for example on Shadowheart if you play around with her stats to give her more Dex and keep her Wis high.
    Yes she will be a level behind when it comes to spellcasting, but at level 12 she will only loose a single feat and nothing else. You need to choose a correct level to do it at, but if nothing else it will be completly free at level 12. I have done it at level 6 personally, since the two level 3s at 5 are very painful to miss.
    Think this might be a very good strategy to balance most party comps since Shadowheart can essentially fill the two most niché roles by herself. You can go even further and give her the Light cleric subclass (comes with Fireball and tons of other spells). With that Shadowheart is an offensive caster, support caster and an utility character all in one!

  • @LymeGreen04
    @LymeGreen04 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    I think it would be cool if you, wolfheart and 2 other content creators did a playthrough together when the opportunity allows. And role play as best of your ability your character.

    • @odinulveson9101
      @odinulveson9101 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I approve of this!

    • @celuiquipeut6527
      @celuiquipeut6527 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I would pay to watch this!

    • @degreeskelvin3025
      @degreeskelvin3025 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I second that

    • @MGC-XIII
      @MGC-XIII ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you watch Jesse Cox, Dodger, Crendor and Stripin play Divinity original sin 2?

    • @korenogamer6075
      @korenogamer6075 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Great Idea. However, make is a Saturday afternoon livestream party and not a pre-recorded lets play. Once a week is fine. Need to let the guys do their own thing too like guides and stuff

  • @peterrautenbach1298
    @peterrautenbach1298 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have not played this game yet but I have played a TON of D&D and I’d place Wizards in the support caster column too. They don’t heal and buff as much as the other classes but the sheer number of spells they have means they have access to number of combat utility and control spells.
    The God Wizard guide from 5e is a wizard who casts almost no damage spells and focuses on battlefield control but in doing so they can help their party win fight more often than if they were spamming fireball.
    All depend on how you build your wizard.

  • @RobC1983
    @RobC1983 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This video is PERFECT for new players, thanks so much!

  • @greedowins
    @greedowins ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Wizard is also a superb support caster, with access to the deepest spell list. Often a less effective blaster than Sorcerer, but highly versatile (especially with the ability to re-choose the specialty. Of my 3 planned builds, 2 are wizards :)

    • @garion046
      @garion046 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The ability to switch spells out of combat at will means they are amazing utility, beyond even what they offer in tabletop, where they are usually good utility anyway. Being able to just grab knock, fly, feather fall, jump etc when needed is just incredible.

    • @Lutasiren
      @Lutasiren ปีที่แล้ว

      @@garion046 they should allow wizard to learn spell from any class, what a fun killer. wizard already has less hp and proficiency, using a wizard's spell slot and action to cast other classes' spells is basically like using a lv3 spell slot to cast a lv2 spell.
      while u can just stand still throwing fire ball, arcane missle and end the combat here and there, ppl are dumb enough to think they need some sort of "utility." They should at least be able to do that.

  • @SirCharles12357
    @SirCharles12357 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Your Best video yet! Highly organized, useful, and accurate! Simply fantastic job!!

  • @MrBiiila
    @MrBiiila ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Astarion and Shadowheart will be my two stable companion for the first run for sure. They don't like each other particularly, but I like funny dialogues. 😅

  • @aliquidcow
    @aliquidcow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is really well explained and very helpful for me deciding on my party. I'm trying to strike a balance between having the companion characters I most like and having a well-balanced party, which is difficult. I may end up going with a slightly sub-optimal party in the end because the important thing for me is the story, but it's helpful to be able to understand all this.

  • @Steve_Keen
    @Steve_Keen ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm loving playing a bard. So versatile, face of the party, and some really, really great dialogue options.

  • @mozmger
    @mozmger ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for video m8
    My 1st playthrough
    Monk - Dark Urge
    Cleric - Shadowheart
    Warlock - Wyll
    Barbarian - Karlach

  • @beta_1015
    @beta_1015 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Been loving these videos, absolutely extatic for BG3

  • @deborahsmith1546
    @deborahsmith1546 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much for this video. I was sitting here trying ot figure out who to have in my party based on the class I want to play. This is very useful and informative.

  • @kevinhardisty6465
    @kevinhardisty6465 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This was an extremely helpful guide, thanks so much

  • @tones7mca
    @tones7mca ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid, thank you.
    Sorlock = Powerful offensive caster and dialogue. Spore-Druid = support bless/guidance/healz etc PLUS a huge army to deal damage. Rogue-thief = Utility traps/lockpicks/pickpockets AND high offensive damage. Fighter or Barbarian, dealers choice = huge offensive damage and tanking ability (I prefer fighter). That is my optimised party. It also spreads the armour/gear/weapons nicely.
    Cleric can be interchanged with Druid to fulfil a similar role. I switch to cleric if undead are a factor. Could also choose a Ranger or Monk for the offensive martial slot but neither are ideal for tanking.

  • @aldirnila6215
    @aldirnila6215 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am already used to build optimal parties in RPGs but your video was still very interesting and useful, thanks.

  • @drewgunner14
    @drewgunner14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The optimal party you showed is exactly what im running through right now. Main character is a paladin, healer is shadowheart, astarion and gales exchanges are hilarious.

  • @WingZX1103
    @WingZX1103 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Personally...the only thing I'm changing is shadowheart from trick cleric to life cleric

    • @hasseo195
      @hasseo195 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ditto^^

    • @dominika3762
      @dominika3762 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ouch. Plotwise horrible. But you do you :)

    • @Run_Paul_Run
      @Run_Paul_Run ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I will change her to light cleric, maybe even build a multiclass with 2 lvl of fighter and 2 lvl of wizard.

    • @bobmishima3295
      @bobmishima3295 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm changing Shadowheart to Tempest Cleric and Storm Sorc multiclass. Girl gonna be smiting everyone.

    • @hasseo195
      @hasseo195 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dominika3762 Why? Even as a life cleric can she follow Shar. And her more or less only role is, to heal the party. And that can she do at the best, as a life cleric.
      I dont use any of her trickster ability. Aside of maybe the "scarecrow" (forgot the name), that help the people in meele fights.

  • @grey_wind
    @grey_wind ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great info. Even if I don't *optimize* my party, it's still important to know what important functions I'll need to fill. Thank you for another great video!

  • @deepbreeze9058
    @deepbreeze9058 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I feel like trikster cleric as utility is the miss here. Shadowheart can fill that role as well as support caster, giving you more flexibility with your MC.

  • @nawawii3750
    @nawawii3750 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the most useful categorization of classes, majes perfect sebse, and nax efficiency.
    Helps a ton

  • @korenogamer6075
    @korenogamer6075 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Would it be too much to ask to have an "Introduction to the Companions" Video for release? Just a rundown of all the companions, their personalities, and what they are good/bad at.

    • @Halauris
      @Halauris ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be great.

  • @markhackett2302
    @markhackett2302 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Might be worth doing for each companion "What are the best options to multiclass your companions as".
    For example, if you put La'ezel as Fighter5 then put a single Nature Domain Cleric with a respec to 14 Wisdom, and pick "Guidance", "Speak with Animals" and "Goodberry" you get enough from that choice to make up for losing the last feat at Level12, but the Improved Extra Attack is still worth getting, so you would not put more than that one level in her. And so on for other companions, so that they can also fill in for more roles without completely redoing their class, and mean you do not HAVE to have certain companions or lose out on a balanced party.

  • @Smoji069
    @Smoji069 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think that this is great for beginners who don't really want to worry about missing out on content. I think that once you figure out the nuances you can really have a party of all clerics or bards or really whatever and cover all of your bases. I personally intend on doing an oath of ancients paladin or tempest cleric with karlach, shadowheart, and wyll as my party. ( I might sub out wyll for gale or halsin im not sure yet. Im actually really interested to see the changes they did with wyll to be honest.)

    • @Fextralife
      @Fextralife  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Oh you absolutely can. But I would not recommend this to a new player until they've gotten their bearings.

  • @Emet30
    @Emet30 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This has been a helpful guide. I am playing as a goody two shoes paladin and I have your recommended companion make up and I'm winning more battles with this make up.

  • @benjamincruzj
    @benjamincruzj ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You Sir, never fail to deliver. Outstanding work as always, thank you!

  • @letsgetremixed1345
    @letsgetremixed1345 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Currently running my first playthrough with astarion, shadowheart, will, and a wizard, definetly a challenge but still fun!

  • @ssn139
    @ssn139 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If "optimal" means optimal for game experience & not just combat & skill checks, I'm expecting I'm going to want to mix and match characters through out the game. Like in early access, I want to take Wyll with me to the goblin encampment, even if he's not "optimal". Or Lae'zel to the bridge with her 'friends'. Probably good to maintain some balance through these changes, but at least for me this will be a priority.

    • @jameswhite3043
      @jameswhite3043 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well said. BG3 isn't the sort of game you need to min/max in.
      I think optimziers, especially combat focused folks, are going to find the game disappointingly easy.

    • @gossymer.
      @gossymer. ปีที่แล้ว

      Progressing character's questlines can be great... until they self sabotage (laezel triggers a fight on the bridge if you don't interfere) and wyll would have kharlach's head, so there is a bit of juggling and deciding.... Are you interested in this companion enough to see them through their folly or are you sick of their shenanigans and want to just get passed the encounter? In some cases keeping them in camp is the less explosive option 😅

  • @ObsidianKnight90
    @ObsidianKnight90 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Moon Druids are combat specialists, support casters, and offensive casters all at once. If you make them a Githyanki Urchin they can also serve as your dialogue specialist and utility character as they can have proficiency with Stealth, Sleight of Hand, Insight, Perception, and all Charisma skills. Your party comp at that point is just whoever the heck you like the most.

  • @kylekermgard
    @kylekermgard ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Astarion, shadowheart, gale is the base of like every party I've done in bg3. I might end up doing something like 4 melee strikers on release

    • @celuiquipeut6527
      @celuiquipeut6527 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does having them around add a lot of dialogues with npc?
      Or do you have the same dialogue option?
      I plan on 0laying with my own character, s8nce the origin i either dont like or dont fit my party composition.
      If all i lose is overworld dialogue between them, i am ok with it.
      If i miss on quest...i might have to force myself.
      Since you played them, i was curious. Whats your take on this?

    • @Shilian01
      @Shilian01 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yes they are what I am gravitating toward too, Wyll is kinda mid and Layzel, I think ill trow her out of the spaceship on release day.

  • @e-motep876
    @e-motep876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for all the tips, I now feel more confident in the choices I will make when starting my playthrough.

  • @solomaxlevelplayer5582
    @solomaxlevelplayer5582 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Full Offensive Caster party. My brain is not made for strategy only for DPS

    • @strixfiremind
      @strixfiremind 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you burn it fast enough, you don't get hurt

  • @arionrufus3190
    @arionrufus3190 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this guide. This really helps bcs I really struggle with games that have a lot of options for party members

  • @ackwell11
    @ackwell11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I understand the want from people to optimize their group but it just seems to me like that ends up with you picking a custom character or companions that will be "optimal" instead of actually something you actually want. And for the "face of the party" character I just find it odd not to use my own character since that's who I am immersing myself with and I am the one actually playing the game. But if I want to "optimize" I gotta limit my options severly because of this.
    TLDR I'm just gonna play whatever I want using whatever companions I want

  • @dilsoncamacho4100
    @dilsoncamacho4100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nothing you said is wrong, but IMO as a veteran d&d player and someone playing 5e since the 2014 launch(I play in my native language though, so I might make some mistakes with english terms)... support casters and offensive casters are optional, if you are lacking it's not the worst thing in the world, just rest more and you are good to go.
    Another thing, utility CAN be solved by having a properly spread out proficiency picks for everyone in the party, making it somewhat optional too. Meaning you can have a barbarian, a dex based fighter, a cleric and a warlock and still beat most proficiencies if you make sure not to have the same proficiency picks.
    Lastly there is a difference between "tank" and "frontliner", what you call a combat specialist is more close tied to a frontliner but it doesn't really say how important it is to actually have a frontline. Dnd 5e has a opportunity strike rule, meaning most enemies are discoraged to move past a frontline character, meaning if you have at least 1, but preferably 2 characters in the front, the ones in the back are a lot more protected. A tank however is a character that can really capitalize on the whole protecting the backline thing.
    Usually tanks are cavalier fighters or ancestral guardians barbarians, but none of those are in game, as far as I know. BUT you have access to sentinel feat and polearm master, so you can tecnically make a tank character if you want with a fighter.

  • @sethanon8732
    @sethanon8732 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I honestly cannot wait to play this I am going to lose sooo much time to this game

  • @UnstableInstrumental
    @UnstableInstrumental ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ive watched alot of your videos but this is the first one that had me nodding my head and taking notes without realizing it 😅.

  • @MeldinX2
    @MeldinX2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm making Astarion into a Bard for sure. This way he can still be a skill money but in my party i really need some support/spellcasting. Since i want to be a paladin but also have Karlach and shadowheart into my party.

    • @Shilian01
      @Shilian01 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah I think I will totally do the same, I like the character but rogue does not really click for me, as the best combo you can make with the class are cheesy as hell.

  • @WandererOfWorlds0
    @WandererOfWorlds0 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another important aspect is armor type. The game isn't exactly flooded with good gear so avoid having two characters with the same armor type.

  • @gossymer.
    @gossymer. ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was really awesome for anyone trying to figure out their party composition. Maybe you could do a guide on how to develop each companion into each of these categories without having to fully change their existing class?
    For instance, shadowheart could work easily for support and utility, what with her pass without trace, guidance and using options like enhance ability etc. She could also be respeced to light cleric for fireballs to cover offensive and support caster who stays in the back.
    Would love to see what options you recommend for the companions so players can choose the class(es) they love and still have a great time since they understand how they can build or respec their party.
    Also, i fear one or more companion may leave in act 2 or 3 so knowing how to do without them in worse case scenarios would be nice (i know we have hirelings, but it's not the same as a companion with shared goals...)
    Great vid as always!

    • @dictatrix11
      @dictatrix11 ปีที่แล้ว

      And Shadow Heart has Sleight of Hand and a decent dexterity score (and guidance), so she can basically fill the roll of the rogue

  • @persistentpally
    @persistentpally 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video - part of what is difficult for me is choosing who I want in my party. I started as a Ranger - I play ranged characters by default having played a paladin only one time in eariler D&D versions. I didn't think about Optimal Party Composition until I made a few Act one playthroughs and started to see the real difference. After debating between 5 levels of Gloomstalk Ranger, 4 levels of Rogue Assassin (I think you used Thief), and 3 levels of Fighter Champion or BattleMaster, I gave up on Ranger class for now and chose Bard - College of Swords. I'm more satisfied with the role playing (which I really enjoy the Bard specific dialog and options), and the solid damage output that a Bard can do with Flourish and spells.

  • @bradphilippe
    @bradphilippe ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The only I will comment is that cleric can fill any of these roles (depending on what subclass you make them). Tempest and War domain can fiil a combat specialist. Trickery domain can fill dialogue specialist. Trickery and Knowledge can fill Utility. Light and Tempest can fill a caster. And ALL of them can fill a support.

    • @gossymer.
      @gossymer. ปีที่แล้ว

      This is so true! Someone is going to have an all cleric party and it will be glorious

  • @debuyarou7463
    @debuyarou7463 ปีที่แล้ว

    Party Composition that I would like to try:
    Short answer:
    1. Paladin level 6/Champion Fighter level 3/Berserker Barbarian level 3
    2. Battle Master Fighter level 6/Gloom Stalker Ranger level 3/Assassin Rogue level 3
    3. Storm Sorcery Sorcerer level 10/Tempest Domain Cleric level 2
    4. Some support. Didn’t decide yet.
    Don’t know who will be my main and what companions to pick or respect. Would like to play as evil.
    Detailed answer:
    1. Burst window if target it’s not undead and without crits and with normal Greataxe with Haste + Action Surge: 6d12 from weapon + 24 from Str + 12 from Rage + 60 from GWM Feat + 14d8 from Divine Smite. 188 damage on average. Sure sacrifice 16 damage on average from superiority dice but have crit range 19 and 20 what sounds batter because you roll 12 times d20 for attacks. Maybe pick Lae'zel for this role.
    2. Try to start surprise round from distance with Longbow. Burst window if target is surprised with Haste and Action Surge: 16d8 from weapon + 24 from Dex + 60 from Sharpshooter Feat + 2d8 from Dread Ambusher + 8d8 from Superiority Dice + 12d6 from Hunter's Mark. 164 damage on average. I will pick Astarion for this role.
    3. War Caster Feat. Twinned Spell - Haste on Paladin and Fighter. Maybe my main.
    4. Option a: Shadowheart (don’t know how she will react on evil decisions).
    Option b: Start game second time and start with 2 characters. Second is Life Domain Cleric.
    Option c: Start game second time and start with 2 characters. Collage of Swards Bard level 8/Paladin level 2/Fighter level 2. Focus on Dexterity.
    Option d: Start game second time and start with 2 characters. Collage of Lore Bard level 11/Life Domain Cleric level 1.
    Option f: Start game second time and start with 2 characters. Second is Paladin level 6/College of Lore Bard level 6. Have level 4 spell slots for Smite and pick Spiritual Guardians and Counterspell. Sentinel feat with some Reach weapon like Glaive. First 2 level in Paladin, then 6 in Bard, then rest in Paladin. Start with 16 in Str and Cha. First pick Sentinel, second increase Str to 18. Bless to increase chance to hit for guys with GWM and Sharpshooter Feat.

  • @lukeparsons1187
    @lukeparsons1187 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks. This definitely helps. I've gotten to the point in act 1 now where I have a lot of companion choices and wasn't sure what to do.
    As I am a ranger, I will switch to the barbarian companion and keep shadowheart, and swap Gale for Wyll.

  • @BardicPossum
    @BardicPossum 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The party I’m currently making is Minthara, shadow heart and astarion (first dark urge, second play through, EVIL) and I’m playing a sorcerer. Nearly perfectly fits.

  • @TobelPlays
    @TobelPlays ปีที่แล้ว

    Always appreciate the time and effort put into these. In case anyone hasn't shared the feedback, it sounds like there's a smidge too much reverb/bass boost in your voice-over post-processing. Assuming you're using a gate and compressor, but maybe FX as well. It causes a little bit of ear fatigue. Hope this is constructive, and of course just one person's perspective.

  • @luckyday5721
    @luckyday5721 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This has helped a lot because I'm wanting my main Playthrough to be a Sorcerer and knew one companion I wanted Karlach as a Tank because I'm squishy but wasn't sure about the rest.

  • @Dahkeus3
    @Dahkeus3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been playing with my barbarism handling dialogue and haven’t felt limited since intimidation is just another form of charisma.

  • @FantogemeStudios
    @FantogemeStudios ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Multiclassing can also pick up the slack in some regards. I'm currently playing a Sorcerer and picked up Rogue to fill in for Astarion. It's worked out surprisingly well. So basically, if you don't want to re-work your character from the ground up, you could add a few levels in on another class provided it synergizes well with what you're already working with.

  • @restraineddoughnut2495
    @restraineddoughnut2495 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think this is a really good video, I do like what you added about subclasses because I do recommend people check their subclasses. A lot of subclasses play differently in DND. Some casters become martial classes for example. Definitely something to look out for.

  • @tangledfish
    @tangledfish ปีที่แล้ว

    In my mind the strongest conversationalist is actually an arcane trickster rogue that dumps intellect to take advantage of the early headband. Wood elf rogue, sage background. starting stats: STR 10, Dex 17, Con 14, Int 8, Wis 14, Cha 12. Between background and subrace you get perception, stealth, arcana and history. Then pick sleight-of-hand, investigation, insight and whichever conversation skill you want to bump slightly. Deception is probably the most thematic. At level 3 when you get to go arcane trickster take the friends cantrip. Then, once you're wearing the headband and have 17 int, you've got a character that is a strong combatant, a great thief, provides tons of utility and can pass almost every conversation check that may come up.

  • @funkyskibo
    @funkyskibo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent information. Thank you. You are a rock star of video game guides.

  • @californialove8185
    @californialove8185 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, ive been looking for something like this for the past month or so ... Thank you

  • @Dark-Lord-Of-The-Sith
    @Dark-Lord-Of-The-Sith ปีที่แล้ว

    After playing D&D since AD&D 2nd Edition, you have some very honest Truths in this breakdown.
    A well rounded party has always been a fighter type, a healer, a thief, and a heavy caster. That is the basic needs of a party.
    Cleric and Paladin can overlap in a couple areas. Paladin is of course the Frontline. The Cleric is also a great 2nd fighter. Heavy armor and a shield. Bonus Action heals. The paladin also acts like a backup healer with Lay On Hands.
    You have to have the thief, you miss out on so much without one. If you spec the rogue for the 2nd bonus action, you can have the stealth killer that crits and jumps back into the shadows on the same turn.
    The heavy caster is an open slot. I personally have never played a lot of magic-users in my time but they are definitely needed. Wizard would probably be best depending on the subclass.
    I love Shadowheart so I am definitely taking her. Not a fan of the sun vampire guy. Gale can be a little too uppity for my taste. I have also loved the Drow. I will either play a Drow Rogue of a Priestess of Lolth and double down on the Cleric and have vamp boy as my rogue.

  • @ScytheNoire
    @ScytheNoire ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Classic party fills the need, and four of the Origin Companions fit.
    Fighter, Cleric, Wizard, Rogue, and Bard.

  • @derekcampbell2686
    @derekcampbell2686 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1. Healing items on a pure cleric usually Jaheria or Shadowheart upcasting aid and also hero’s feast at the start of the day. Maybe a mass healing word at the start of combat to give everyone so temp hp, and two rounds of blade ward and bless.
    2. Radiant orb build- 5 any cleric/ 7 open hand monk (abusing the free radiant damage from punching, and spirit guardian loves monk’s extra unarmored movement. (Heavy damage/heavy debuff…. Karlach usually)
    3. A charisma-based crit-item build paladin/warlock Laezel or minthara
    4. Tav- open hand monk 8, spore Druid 3, wizard 1
    For Tav, gith is my favorite, followed closely by half orc, followed at a slight distance by wood elf. Shout out to Teifling, Dragonborn, and deep gnome simply for their appearances.

  • @primusnephilim
    @primusnephilim ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! booked marked this one, taking these suggestions into my second play through.

  • @JustSayRance
    @JustSayRance ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly, I think that a Tav run excels the most with a high CHA class. That way you can choose what YOU want while your party reacts to those choices

  • @Osma777
    @Osma777 ปีที่แล้ว

    My build is likely to sound strange, but I believe it will work.
    Secondary Combat/dialog/support - Main character, Druid. 10,10,14, 10, 17, 14. Combat stats (str/dex/con) don't matter in wildshape. Dialog because it isn't hard to get chr to 14, and I'll be doing dialog against animals, which can have a lot to say. Support caster when not in wildshape.
    Karlach - combat - primary tank and melee damage dealer.
    Shadowheart - dual class with Rogue, at least 2 levels - Secondary dialog and support, primary utility. Shadowheart already comes with slight of hand and stealth, and is a trickery domain. She doesn't have any proficiency with speech skills or a high chr, but hopefully I can fix that with gear/respec. When I'm unable to talk to people myself due to wildshape, or am unable to cast spells (again, wildshape), she will step up.
    Gale - offensive caster.
    With both myself and Shadowheart able to cast guidance, any out of combat check will be easier for everyone. She starts with a decent slight of hand for lockpicking, and if I can adjust her to have a bit less str and more chr (plus speech skills), she can expertise with rogue to do what needs done. Plus rogue with a trickster cleric fits well. Add in pass without trace for the party to get +10 in stealth until long rest, and we are golden. Me and her can handle the fancy stuff, while Karlach and Gale can go hit stuff.

  • @lenacayman873
    @lenacayman873 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a Sorcerer/Bard you can fill three roles - Face of the Party, Offensive Caster & Support Caster 🤘 I started out as a Sorcerer, the others are playing Fighter, Cleric/Palladin & Rogue/Monk ... our Cleric/Paladin going down all the time made me take 1 Lvl in Bard to get Healing Word & I am enjoying it a lot to be able to pick everyone up from a distance :D plus some Psychic DMG spells from the Bard spell list, when you run into enemies resistant to all the elemental stuff from the Sorcerer Spell List 🎉

  • @theratthatgotyeeted
    @theratthatgotyeeted 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    2:07 (ignore this, im just commenting this so i can easily reach this frame when preping what character im gonna play)

  • @SPSteve
    @SPSteve ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! Certainly shines a light on party creation.

  • @djnorth2020
    @djnorth2020 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great tool to figure out optimal party. And like you said we don't have to, some people want to see the world burn and bring party members who don't get along just to have fun at their expense.

  • @vinnychiarelli5069
    @vinnychiarelli5069 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Honestly I know I could optimize my party more but it’s fun to decide what my party should be just based which characters I really like

  • @NewAge374
    @NewAge374 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is excellent advice for trying out the exact opposite! I think for roleplay reasons and fostering creativity between playthroughs it will be essential for some players (myself included) to change things up and give yourself a little challenge in one field or another.

  • @dardo105
    @dardo105 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think that leaving the druid and the cleric only in the support group is a mistake. Druid can use seleily, and that way they use wisdom as their combat characteristic, or use animal form; both ways they become a combat specialist. Clerics are not the best in dealing fiscal damage, but the use of heavy armor, shield and close effect spells can make them great Frontliners. And also both of them and the bard have incredible offensive magic abilities

  • @garion046
    @garion046 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! For more analysis of roles and compositions, the Dungeon Dudes have excellent videos on the topic. Obviously, it's not a perfect translation from tabletop to BG3, but much of it is useful. They assign more roles, but the vibe is similar.
    I think it's important with combat specialists to define dps from tank though. If you only have dps, you're going to need a lot of support to keep your melee class going, and if you only have a tank, you need to make sure you have dps elsewhere. Imo it's easier to add dps to a tank than defense to a dps class, Barbarians, fighters and paladins being the prime candidates.

    • @Lutasiren
      @Lutasiren ปีที่แล้ว

      feel like the idea of a tank is stupid in its core in a game where everyone would have at least 17AC at the end of act1, and whether or not u are "tanking" mostly depends on whether or not u pick up a stupid shield. And it would be much more stupid in the full version, as it is stated multiple times in tactic mode enemies would focus on units with lowest AC, so good luck on whatever the "tank" you have.

  • @dr.strange1300
    @dr.strange1300 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Essentially play whatever you like, but its generally the best to have at least 1 healer.

  • @PheonoxGaming
    @PheonoxGaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a very comprehensive guide, well done!

  • @SwiftFate
    @SwiftFate ปีที่แล้ว +2

    From an RP and fun perspective, Dialog, while important, should be considered to be optional overall. Fact is, it can actually be MORE fun to fail dialog checks sometimes..Actually, most of the time, when speaking with NPC's. The exception here is when said check might result in you gaining some kind of item or access to somewhere that you don't want to find another way in to.
    Generally though, I have found that having an average Charisma, with a possible proficiency in one of options is actually more fun for me overall in my personal experience. It means that I still have a very fair chance of succeeding in checks, but failure really does come down to the dice. Something that is VERY D&D-esque. The dice make the true choices for us, we just roll them.
    Edit: Seriously. Fail the dice roll on convincing so & so to give you the key? Steal it. Pull out a lute and play a song while your Rogue pickpockets him. Cast Silence on an area out of sight, lure him there and kill him. There are so many options

  • @chriscarbone670
    @chriscarbone670 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video. I plan 2 custom playthroughs with 1 evil and 1 good approach, so that also influences my companion choices. That way, I can use most all of the companions in 2 distinct groups.

  • @FreakazoidRobots
    @FreakazoidRobots ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I'd watched this earlier. As much as I wanted to try out crazy party comps, this really does make life easier.

  • @natebookout811
    @natebookout811 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I ended up multiclassing as a Wizard/Bard, but I only have 12 charisma. I've had plenty of fun playing with my main as a dialogue specialist despite that--he's actually great at 3 roles, dialogue, utility, and offensive magic.

  • @ajfatca
    @ajfatca ปีที่แล้ว

    been playing jrpg/rpgs for years but this is my first go at a dnd based one. I was leaning druid based on videos but might need to rethink knowing they fall into the same category as cleric and I always like to have a cleric in my party.

  • @mishiara5499
    @mishiara5499 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will always go with a bard in every comp for charisma checks with expertise for dialogs, as well as a rogues for dex checks with expertise for assassination outside of combat with stealth, as well as expertise ib slight of hand.
    These things will make your life so much easyer.