Celestion Impulse Responses, demo by Pete Thorn
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- What if you could quickly and easily access the sound of a perfectly mic'd guitar cabinet with a classic Celestion speaker...perhaps you would use a few microphones, and blend them for perfect tone...?
In this video I demo Celestion's new impulse responses, showing you the different sounds available from different microphones and how easy it is to blend different microphones together virtually to achieve great tone.
Find out more how these impulse responses were made, and how to get hold of them here: celestionplus.com
Pete I can't say it enough, I'm super impressed by the fact that you play THAT CLOSE to perfection dude. I wanna think you don't edit like crazy those takes, but I can tell you don't. To be honest I try to think about other names that play at this level of perfection in timing while doing complex arrangements and can't easily find who, really. Congratulations, mate.
hey thanks!
These are without a doubt the best IR's I've used (comparing to Two Notes proprietary and Ownhammer plus some random stuff).
The level of detail present in the captures and being able to blend in not just multiple mics but room mics and, on open back cabs, rear mics gives such a precise sound.
I downloaded the 2x12 open and 4x12 for the V30, G12-65 and G12H-75 Creamback and they're all amazing. The tonal subtleties that differentiate the speaker types are superb.
Can't wait for them to release the G12 Alnico Cream...
I love the 4X12 sound with V30's. I guess I'm a rock kinda guy. You can save a lot of hours by eliminating mic positioning!!! Make sessions a lot more productive. Excellent video review Pete.
Just bought some. They are outstanding. Thanks for the heads up.
Congrats on the Suhr Sig, I really need one now
thanks! Really proud to have a sig guitar.
Me too!! Already started laying the ground work with the wife.
Great video. After watching this I downloaded the Celestion 5-Pack Mix & Match and I couldn't be happier with the amount of files (hundreds and hundreds) in all sample rates and mic combinations. Keep up the great work! Im glad I got to briefly say hello at NAMM'19 next to the Reverb booth.
Sounds really good...Love this Hybrid setup.. REAL tube amps with Celestion's own IR!
You really are a master of tones and how to layer them to blend together well.
Happy to see a Top Hat amp used in your videos. I am really in love with my Emplexador but they are really unknown here in Europe. I think this brand deserves some visibility
Hi Pete! Great meeting you at NAMM ... congratulations on the signature model Suhr!
Hey Pete. You do great demos of IR technology in general and the Celestion IR's in particular. Thanks.
awesome video. I've been a massive fan of celestion v30 and green back quads for years. I have just gone away from my amp/cab live set up to a headrush di and i'll happily pay for these ir's. great video.
cool, thanks for the video, I will have to try some of those settings for my own presets.
Excellent Review, once again! I aquired an assortment of these and they really do sound fenomenal in my BIAS Amp desktop setup. Will use these a lot, it's great to be able to change speaker cabinets for different tones with ease (would be far from possible in my home studio situation otherwise).
I seem to need everything Pete demonstrates. He must be making a goddamn fortune for the industry. I hope they're making it worth his while. Listening to these examples it strikes me that the SM57 alone would almost always be the best option once the guitar is in a band mix. Great job as always Pete, my bank manager hates you.
As a recording engineer, I find that I consistently reach for a '57 and I'm never disappointed in any of my productions - no matter what I'm mic'ing with it. There are certainly other great options, but you really should never be afraid to use it as a default for that particular application.
@@scottmartinezguitarandbass why?
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Seems to be what I was waiting for from Celestion! :)
HI Pete, I've bought some of these Celestion IRs for my Helix Rack. I already own the Ownhammer 412 M75 Greenback IRs so I got the Celestion 4x12 IRs for Greenback, Anniversary and Blue.. They're quite different to the Ownhammer ones. Much less bottom end in the Celestion IRs. More midrange bark though but they need a little EQ to get them where I want them. Still a really useful thing. I'll do my next rehearsal with them and see how they fit in with the rest of the band. I think they maybe have a little more of that 70's vintage thing happening than the Ownhammer Greenback IRs.
Pete - I copped two ideas from your vids. #1 I bought a Celestion G1235XC for my Fender Deluxe Reverb. Awesome! #2 I downloaded the Celestion G1235XC IR from the Celestion IR and loaded it into my Two-Notes Torpedo Cab. Wow! After tweaking I cannot believe I can get the tone from the amp with the speaker and reasonably tweak it into my Two-Notes Cab with some twiddle fiddling of the controls. Thanks for educating us in the not as tech savvy category.
Phenomenal play Pete thorn! Great sound. and interesting topic. thanks.
thanks!
Peter, you are "The MAN!"
It look like there's an EVH 5150 with the power light on towards the right? Another great video from Pete!!
Great stuff, Pete! Loving the kind of Rush-esque sound on here. Well played too of course. ;-)
Nice work thanks Pete
Outstanding demo, as usual! Where do you rate the Celestion IRs against the Ownhammer IRs? Also, if you try them in either of your Helixes, could you let us know how it turns out?
That was some kickass guitar playing
thanks!
I really like the instrumental. From the 1 minute mark to the 1 minute and 20 second mark your solo is pure awesome.
Hi Pete. Awesome video as usual!
Any chance you'll demo your VOX AC15HW some time?
Great track!
Hey Pete! What plug-in hosts your IR:s? Cheers
mixIR2 in this video, but they now have mixIR3 available
I bought the Greenback pack, thanks to your wonderful video. I am having trouble getting it into garageband though. What program do you use to get it in there? Thanks for the great videos!
Great demo Pete. I use some of the Celestion ir's. I'd like to ask if you use low and high cuts with them, whether in your DAW/IR host, or in your Suhr PT amps when playing live? I saw you with the Classic Rock Show last year. Your tone was great, and I know you were direct to FOH, just wondered if you used cuts. I don't even know if that's an option on the Suhr amps. Thanks.
Do find you have to heavily eq IR's and do a low of low cuts and parametric eq. I do in my pod go.
Can you do a video on dialing in IR's with a modeller?
Pete, id love to know your view on the digital vs analogue argument? IRs are essentially digital and there are some speaker boxes, like the suhr ace / redbox etc which are analogue filters. As a song builds with multiple guitar parts multi tracked, will analogue ones sound any better, or more organic? Will digital IRs begin to sound flat as you multi track and layer parts? Maybe the key with IRs is to layer up with different mics and placements so you're not using the same digital snapshot each time? Anyway, love your playing. Greetings from damp old England!
These IR’s sound fantastic with my Fractal. Much better than the Fractal internal cabs which also sound great.
HI Pete.
Your Video sounds great.
Thanx for showing it.
Do you think the 4x12 V30 Ir sounds like the Mesa Cab does??
Greets
Congrats man!!! Loved the tone!
One question: I know you used ownhammer impulses (I have the entire colection).
Could you please talk about the difference between them and the celestions?
Cheers from Brazil!
Fast question!
How many tries/takes does it take for you to get "The" solo in general?
i nail it first time VERY VERY rarely, sometimes i can keep trying to get "the" solo 50+ times before i nail it :(
So how many times does it take in general for a pro like you?
Very good !
Pete, was this the one Scott Henderson was talking about? Sweet!
Paolo Castillo I think so yes
Pete can you give us a rough idea how you mixed those sounds? Panning and rough eq and treatment so its "nice finished sound" altogether.
thanks
Finally a company that decided to that.
Have you tried the Laney pack? If so, what do you think?
Hi Pete , Can you load these IR s to the Kemper and show us an example of it please...Thxs
What about just using some od pedals direct into the duet with imp response plug in?
Great video PeteWhat do you think of using IR,s for live use? Also, I bought the 412 V30 celestion and it seems very thin and bright to me. Will this sound good in a mix and maybe just doesnt sound as great on its own?
Hi Pete, whats up? What about you talk about Demon Speaker. It's a kind of modern of moderns tone. New times of tone is comming?
Awesome video!
Do you prefer using mixIR 2 to load IR's? it seems nice you can load a bunch of IR's in the same plugin.
Simto I just started using it- I tried it years ago, but had forgotten about it for some reason. It seems just great! Really like it so far
Simto yes! Exactly
Pete, I have the Fryette Power Station and Apogee Duet. Would that work instead of the Suhr Reactive Load? Also, can you use Impulse Responses with Garage Band? I am pretty sure that Impulse Responses are the way to go for me!
Kurt Motsinger yes to all
Thanks Pete. I need to get a new Apogee Duet or something for my iMac. Just found out mine doesn't work with my new iMac. Ugh... LOL
Thanks for this great video Pete. My new introduction to IR's. I'm running Sonar X-1 Producer. I'm not certain what convolution engine to get. What do you recommend?
Marshall I'm using the redwirez mix ir 2 plug in mainly
In what plug-in are you putting these IRS? Could I use an impulse-response verb of Logic? Or should I buy an extra plug-in for that? Doeas UAD Apollo Twin have anything for this included?
Hi Pete, I'm unversed in IRs but think it's a great technology. I want to have that sound live in the rehearsing room, is buying a FRFR Speaker the way to go? Want to use it in combination with my helix and some celestion IRs.
Hey Pete, so there's no power amp section in the signal flow right? The signal comes in from the reactive straight from the preamp and then to the cab (IR)? Thanks
I tried a Two Notes Torpedo Live and bought and tried a few IR's , I could not get pleasing results. Was always un wanted distortion in there. Clean amp setting were really suffering. What did I do wrong ?
Great video Pete, 1 question, are these IR's purely plug-ins for DAW software or can they be loaded into the Helix...?
Mark Gilson you can use them in anything!
Pete, great stuff as always. What plugin do you use in Logic to load these IRs? Thanks, Jay
Mix IR2 from redwirez
Hey Pete...what was the 2nd guitar you used...looks very cool !
Can't figure out how to load these into my MIXIR2
One thing I can't find info on is: how would this work say, Bogner LaGrange into Fender amp clean channel for dirt, into Suhr Reactive Load, out of Suhr into recording interface then IR? Thanks 😊
Derek Johnston that's it exactly.
Thanks!
nice video, what is the IR`s loader ? thanks
logic i believe
MixIR 2 by Red Wirez -
www.redwirez.com/
Congrats on your Signature guitar. I have a question. If I buy the helix, will I enjoy it more running through the effects loop of an amp or studio monitors? I only play at home. Thanks
It's nice for both uses! Hard to say what you'd dig more, depends on many factors, but nice to know you can do both and 4cm as well
what software are you running / loading the IR into? ....meaning what is the actual plugin you are enabling? ....btw your black signature the looks awesome in the vid
livingabovethe12th thanks! I am using redwirez mix ir2 plug in
Where would I get some free impulse responses to try out ??
+Pete Thorne
I love the fact that Celestion is making IR's and I own a few myself, but I am having issues with them. I'm using them with a Mesa Dual Rectifier running into a Two Notes Torpedo Live and the sound is just dark, muddy and lifeless. Maybe it's just me and I'm doing something wrong, but is there anything I can do to fix this issue?
Anthony Knight - I use a Celestion Creamback IR loaded into Two Notes Wall of Sound plug-in. I find I have to boost the higher frequencies quite a bit, especially around 2K, otherwise it sounds pretty dark. Pete doesn't mention what plug-in he's using for the IR's, nor if he had to EQ them. That would be handy to know.
Hi Pete! i was wondering if you plugged directly to the Apollo's front input. Also assuming you have logic set on the lowest buffer along side the IR plugin. is there a noticeable latency?
fragment7 You would plug it into a line level channel on the Apollo rather than the hi-z input. You plug straight into your amp>reactive load>interface. Set the buffer as low as possible and enable software monitoring. Finally, on your desired input channel open an ir loader (space designer, two notes wall of sound iii, r-reverb etc) and pull up an IR. The TwoNotes Wall of Sound 3 plugin is really cool because you can load several instances in one channel and create a multi mic setup.
thanks for the tip, currently i'm running a kemper straight to the spdif of the apollo L input and dry to the R input for reamping, but i would like to buy an ac 15/30 head using this method for convenience! thanks.
fragment7 you can use the Apollo front input, yes. just run a short cable from your load box to the front input and that will work fine.
fragment7 you can set the buffer quite low, I use 64 samples in logic almost always.
If you're coming from an unbalanced line out it will usually sound better to use the Hi-Z input like Pete says. Depends on your RL of choice, I suppose.. I switched to the hi z on my apollo twin literally like a a few days after posting this after reading something John Suhr mentioned about input impedance loading on interfaces causing unwanted distortion or 'hair' on IR's some were experiencing.
But for Import to Line 6 Helix for play Live, what is better to import version ? they Have 44.1khz to 96.0 kHz and inside they Have 200ms version and 500ms ? what version its Better for play Live ? thanks and regards
I think the helix is 48K. Just use the 200 MS version at 48K.
Brilliant
Sounds absolutely brutal and very impressive! Especially the mic mixes. Will buy one of these collections for in my Torpedo live for sure! Question: I was browsing on the website and I was wondering what mixc placements you picked for for example the SM57 and Royer? Thin, bright, dark, etc.? Thanks!
I like (generally) the balanced and dark positions
Excelente!!!!
Hey Pete. What plug do you use to load the IRs? Thanks!
Using Cubase and need a convolution plug-in but having trouble finding one. Any suggestions?
@Andreas-Thanks for the help. I wanted to try the free Celestion IR speaker sim in Cubase. I'll check on NadIR. After re-reading Thorn's article on IR's from Premier Guitar, I found my way to a plug-in from LePou and imported IR's from Celstion and God's Cab.
Pete is using mixIR in the video by Redwirez, which I also have.
I can't afford ALL of the Celestion ir's. I was thinking about getting the Vintage 30 pack as a good all rounder. What do you think? Thanks :)
I was haviing isues with the kemper IRs i just purcahsed one of the celestion's and it won't let me convert it to KIPR please help me I got the cream back 2 x12 closed
Do you need a load box if you're using a combo amp? Is the job of the load box just to make the amp head think its connected to a speaker?
Alex Messano depends on the amp. Some are designed to be left on standby for what's referred to as silent recording. The preamp out will still have an output when the standby is off. Some will mute the speaker automatically if you plug in to the amps recording out. You just need to check the users manual for the amp. For example a Marshall jvm can be left in standby but you can record out of the preamp out. A 5150 you can not. You would need a load resistor of some sort to connect to the speaker out and yes they are just to allow the amp to work properly without an actual speaker connected.
Thanks!!
So...when you're blending 3 ir's...is that 3 different tracks of the same performance, each with its own ir...or is it like 1 track with 3 different "buses" or something?
You can use mixir2 from redwirez to blend ir’s it’s a plugin that lets you load blend and pan ir’s
Dumb question: Since you're adding the IR after you record, how you determine what settings to use with your amp? Are you just using some tried and true settings without really hearing what it sounds like till later?
Not dumb at all, you can still monitor live and hear your amp with IRs through your monitors / headphones. You then know exactly how it will sound played back. You can crank your amp more than you might do with a guitar cab, so you might set the EQ differently. Without being concerned about volume I love using one amp set quiet for clean, and full-tilt for drive. You can buy an amp of any power, just buy for the best tone. It's like a 3D amp plugin ;)
Larry Lachmann you actually play with the IR loaded on the track you are recording to. Then you have the ability to change the ir later. But you are listening to the ir as u play.
Got it, thanks!
I usually monitor through my Apollo Twin. Will there be latency monitoring off the record track? (Logic) Thanks!!
Also, is there something like an "IR hosting" app that we load the IR's into in order to use them? I checked out Celestion's site and the IR's are very reasonably priced, but I'm guessing we need to buy a separate app for hosting the IR's. Is that right?
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What software do you need to use the celestion plugins ?
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How do these compare to Ownhammer IRs?
Benjamin Esau better so far. I have both. I get actual amp feedback with these IRs in Petes video among a better overall sound IMO.
can you use these with the Helix? I'm new to the amp modeling game and didn't know if you can use these for a Helix.
So, if you already had the Ownhammer Marshall 2x12 library, is it worth looking into these, too?
andrewt248 I have both. The Creamback 4x12 are stellar. The OH are fantastic as well. Different flavours
Can anyone especially Master Thorn please give me some advice for vintage style speakers to put in my 77 silverface twin reverb?? I had it all fixed up by an amp tech.. sounds great but still has the stock speakers in it. I wanna figure out what the best is, and then get the closest impulse response to match it. Everyone making these videos seems to be using marshall style amps!! gods of guitar HELP ME
Maybe get the Suhr Bella one from celestion? I believe the Bella is Suhr's fender style amp.
Are these somehow compatible with Two notes torpedo?
jonthorsigmunds Yes they are. I have them loaded on my Torpedo Live M and H creamback 4x12. Stellar tone
Awesome! They are damn expensive though...
Can you get hold of creamback neo? :)
Darko P soon yes
thx
Pete:
As usual great and informative video without tech jargon - with awesome incredible playing.
Have you done a video on the Suhr load box. I am thinking about getting one for my two rock. Also have you seen the Blu Guitar speaker IR box that came out at NAMM. It is a box that does IR models.
www.bluguitar.com/english/blubox.html
Thank you for doing all these videos and for taking the time to help us "weekend warriors"
Also congrats on your signature guitar, well deserved.
R
thanks!
Hey Pete! What plugin are you using to load the IR's in logic? Thanks!
The plugin is using in this video is MixIR2 from RedWirez. I use the same plugin.
Thanks!
You should mike 3' out, otherwise you get the proximity effect.
Great one .. making it less and less intimidating to switch to IRs
I can't hear it
I can hear a difference in the part at the end where he plays the same thing if I skip over where he's explaining it and go directly to the last demo. One is edgier. Certainly not a difference worth spending money on unless you're a studio engineer. I'll stick to my built-in cabs (Helix). There's more than enough of them and they sound good.
Which IR plugin are you using?
Looks like MixIR 2.
Fantastic video, sad my english is bad jijij ;)
I am never going to be enough of a tone nerd to appreciate minor differences that would barely be perceptible in a mix anyway.
Consider me Steve Urkel.
No 10's?? Come on!! LOL
I can't afford ALL of the Celestion ir's. I was thinking about getting the Vintage 30 pack as a good all rounder. What do you think? Thanks :)
What plugin do you use to load IR's?