I collect some, I use a lot of what I buy. I never consider rust and dirt patina. So I never think twice about getting rid of both of them. I also believe the designer and makers would rather see their products clean and used. It may be harder to find than some others, it's still not an ancient Roman plane found deep in a well. If the 'purist' wanted it preserved in found condition, they should have beaten you to it. It's yours, clean it up as much as you want, enjoy and use it. That would make the guy at the Miller's Falls factory happy. Oh, and please make a video of your restoration.
"they should have beaten you to it" Thank you-that puts it perfectly. Or better yet, they should find another hobby and leave the tools to people who use tools.
I love knuckle caps. That's a sweet plane, but it's a mess. I think you should invoke your inner Eric Grey, and "make it shiney". It's cool that your asking for opinions, rather than plowing ahead without advice. You probably know enough tool guys who's advice you can trust that you can weed out the questionable advice from people like me who basically know nothing. BTW, I've been enjoying your TH-cam channel. I hope you keep it going. I especially liked the video about your customized 101s. I've been drooling over those on FeeBay for a while. You do amazing work. It's so nice of you to share your knowledge and techniques with everyone else. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who appreciates it.
Thank you for watching, I plan on putting out 2 videos a week. I’m probably going to go all in on this one, of course with a video to show the work done.
I'm not a plane collector, but since it has been changed previously I think frame off restore. Do your best to make it like original and there will be somebody that appreciates it for that.
Because it's been painted and altered from it's original form, it's not in "stock" shape. So I'd clean it up as you see fit. Personally it hurts me to see a beautiful old plane like this in such sad shape.
Honestly, full restoration. It’s a tool, it will get used no matter the condition and I’m one to think a tool that is nice to the eye is the tool you grab
I consider myself the current custodian of the object. And hope that whatever changes I make to it will leave me in a good light. So, try to do the right thing. I would use the least destructive methods to get it functioning as it was intended. Maybe save the re-plating and re-japanning to a later custodian. Nice video series. Steve- Bamboo Bend Project Volunteer
For me, I dont generally "collect" planes. I buy planes cheaply and restore them to service. To restore that one to proper service, I would begin by stripping it down to its components. Clean the rust off the outside of the body in all places. Oil the inside of the body where japanning would typically be, if it has any. Then using a brush, I would remove as much of the paint as possible. Maybe use scraper blades if needed. Once all the junk is off, then I would address that knuckle joint cap. Stanley also used those on a couple of their block planes. I would remove the red paint with stripper. Then using a fine steel wool, remove any loose chrome/nickel plating. That stuff will cut you if its jagged. Then I would address the iron. It needs to be sharpened, regardless of who owns it. Remove as much rust as you can and oil. Oil the whole plane and reassemble. It will still look old but will be functional. For a shelf princess, I would use a little less elbow grease on the job. But if I plan to use it, its going to go about 80% before I stop. I dont want it to look brand new, but I want it to be inviting to anyone who wants to pick it up and use it. Rusty tools dont make me happy. Neither do tools covered in resins from 100 years of use without cleaning.
Total restore. Plane has no emotional connection and has no real collection value, but looks like it has good bones for a total restore and a second life as a nice user.
If I wanted to keep it for myself I would do a full clean up, remove any rust, make it usable, but not to some crazy shiny polish. Fully polished planes look bad to me. If the paint is not original I would probably remove it. That said, if it's rare/valuable I would probably sell it and buy a similar but cheaper plane.
I am probably the wrong person to ask. I’m not a collector. Every tool in my shop I would use on a project if there was a need. But I get the desire to preserve nice tools. As you said however, this plane has already been messed with quite a bit, but it looks like it could be restored to a beautiful tool again and be something you would just really want to pick up and use on a project. In this case I would clean it up and give it a new life. It looks like it would be a joy to use if given the chance.
I love antique handplanes... I am a collector but also a user... I always do a full restore because I want it to look and feel good in my hands... most collectors, in my opinion, want tools untouched because they'll not use them, themselves and want the look of a well used plane (by someone else)...
@DaveCorinth that's good to hear... not that I was altogether worried about the value to someone else when it's my plane... kids might when they inherit it all I suppose... you collect anything specific?...
@r.m.peters6636 I collect I guess what others don’t. I like the tools that go under the radar. I don’t really have anything specific that I look for, I’m a sucker for any tool of quality.
Depends on what I was going to use it for, for a daily user would be just a clean up to remove rust and non original paint smooth the facing surfaces and clear coat to prevent more rust. If not clear coat then lots of wax. If not going to use it just remove worst rust and sell it and let it someone else’s conundrum.
Great channel first, With regards the Millar falls plane, if it was me, knowing it’s rarity I would pass it on to too someone who collects. I’m not a collector, I like old Tools for the quality, an I’m happy too over restore them, if it suits me, but like yourself I only do that with common stuff, not the rare stuff. Ps You guys in the States or the Uk have so good when it comes too getting Old tools.😞😞😞😎
i'll take something like a #41, clean it up, use it and know it will always be worth a lot. that's just a 5 buck block plane to any woodworker. if a collector wants it, sell it to him as is!
I am not a plane collector, so if I purchase a plane which needs to be restored, I restore it. I have a knuckle cap just not a knuckle cap plane. The knuckle cap was incorrectly placed on a different block plane.
You still want my 2 cents? I restore, collect, resale as a hobby. I've could make a small book. Also I just picked up one like on your table, no clue what model buts it's getting a full make over
I'm not a collector so I normally do a full restoration on mine. I like to get them as close to original factory finish as possible. New paint, wire brush the rust (and patina); I've been known to use my belt sander for the sole/sides/blade/etc (I know some collectors just died inside when they read this 😂). I have a first production no 10 1/2 with the adjustable mouth and it got the same treatment as all my other restorations. So I say make it factory shiny. 🙂
OK, u asked.. First, mission dictates weapons(always) so pick your use for the tool first then slowly compile the tools ability for the job selected..(subsection, this includes rarity, historical & monetary value ect) so you have a solid starting point. If ever unsure go basic, flattening bottom, polish MF filister sides, blade sharp, check all moving parts, light grease/wax/oilcan. Then write a list on the order of operation, many things you never thought of will happen here and you will rewrite this list several times before your satisfied. Then and only then, execute the plan, taking careful note of any curballs/unseens while in process Lastly...sit. stare, feel accomplished and thanks all who comment on su h fine work. Final - use it so much it begins to look like you didnt restore it at all. Also if your resaling, pick a color combo that people will know is yours. Hope some of this offers the food for thought you requested
I don't care one whit if a plane is rare or collectible. I hate collectors-they make tools unavailable for people who want to use them. End of that discussion. If I've got an old tool and I need to use it, I'll do what I need to to be able to use it. A tool sitting in a display case isn't a tool any longer. Certainly the people who made it was hoping it wouldn't be used. These things were never meant to be precious.
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I collect some, I use a lot of what I buy. I never consider rust and dirt patina. So I never think twice about getting rid of both of them. I also believe the designer and makers would rather see their products clean and used. It may be harder to find than some others, it's still not an ancient Roman plane found deep in a well. If the 'purist' wanted it preserved in found condition, they should have beaten you to it. It's yours, clean it up as much as you want, enjoy and use it. That would make the guy at the Miller's Falls factory happy. Oh, and please make a video of your restoration.
"they should have beaten you to it" Thank you-that puts it perfectly. Or better yet, they should find another hobby and leave the tools to people who use tools.
I love knuckle caps. That's a sweet plane, but it's a mess. I think you should invoke your inner Eric Grey, and "make it shiney".
It's cool that your asking for opinions, rather than plowing ahead without advice. You probably know enough tool guys who's advice you can trust that you can weed out the questionable advice from people like me who basically know nothing.
BTW, I've been enjoying your TH-cam channel. I hope you keep it going. I especially liked the video about your customized 101s. I've been drooling over those on FeeBay for a while. You do amazing work. It's so nice of you to share your knowledge and techniques with everyone else. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who appreciates it.
Thank you for watching, I plan on putting out 2 videos a week. I’m probably going to go all in on this one, of course with a video to show the work done.
I'm not a plane collector, but since it has been changed previously I think frame off restore. Do your best to make it like original and there will be somebody that appreciates it for that.
Because it's been painted and altered from it's original form, it's not in "stock" shape. So I'd clean it up as you see fit. Personally it hurts me to see a beautiful old plane like this in such sad shape.
Honestly, full restoration. It’s a tool, it will get used no matter the condition and I’m one to think a tool that is nice to the eye is the tool you grab
I consider myself the current custodian of the object. And hope that whatever changes I make to it will leave me in a good light.
So, try to do the right thing. I would use the least destructive methods to get it functioning as it was intended. Maybe save the re-plating and re-japanning to a later custodian.
Nice video series.
Steve-
Bamboo Bend Project Volunteer
For me, I dont generally "collect" planes. I buy planes cheaply and restore them to service. To restore that one to proper service, I would begin by stripping it down to its components. Clean the rust off the outside of the body in all places. Oil the inside of the body where japanning would typically be, if it has any. Then using a brush, I would remove as much of the paint as possible. Maybe use scraper blades if needed. Once all the junk is off, then I would address that knuckle joint cap. Stanley also used those on a couple of their block planes. I would remove the red paint with stripper. Then using a fine steel wool, remove any loose chrome/nickel plating. That stuff will cut you if its jagged. Then I would address the iron. It needs to be sharpened, regardless of who owns it. Remove as much rust as you can and oil. Oil the whole plane and reassemble. It will still look old but will be functional. For a shelf princess, I would use a little less elbow grease on the job. But if I plan to use it, its going to go about 80% before I stop. I dont want it to look brand new, but I want it to be inviting to anyone who wants to pick it up and use it. Rusty tools dont make me happy. Neither do tools covered in resins from 100 years of use without cleaning.
I could not have said that better myself! Video on the restoration of this plane will be out soon!
Total restore. Plane has no emotional connection and has no real collection value, but looks like it has good bones for a total restore and a second life as a nice user.
If I wanted to keep it for myself I would do a full clean up, remove any rust, make it usable, but not to some crazy shiny polish. Fully polished planes look bad to me. If the paint is not original I would probably remove it. That said, if it's rare/valuable I would probably sell it and buy a similar but cheaper plane.
I am probably the wrong person to ask. I’m not a collector. Every tool in my shop I would use on a project if there was a need. But I get the desire to preserve nice tools. As you said however, this plane has already been messed with quite a bit, but it looks like it could be restored to a beautiful tool again and be something you would just really want to pick up and use on a project. In this case I would clean it up and give it a new life. It looks like it would be a joy to use if given the chance.
I love antique handplanes... I am a collector but also a user... I always do a full restore because I want it to look and feel good in my hands... most collectors, in my opinion, want tools untouched because they'll not use them, themselves and want the look of a well used plane (by someone else)...
A full restore is not frowned upon like it used to be. Great approach.
@DaveCorinth that's good to hear... not that I was altogether worried about the value to someone else when it's my plane... kids might when they inherit it all I suppose... you collect anything specific?...
@r.m.peters6636 I collect I guess what others don’t. I like the tools that go under the radar. I don’t really have anything specific that I look for, I’m a sucker for any tool of quality.
It's such an individual choice. Maybe offer it to a viewer, name a price and let him or her decide the level of resto?
Depends on what I was going to use it for, for a daily user would be just a clean up to remove rust and non original paint smooth the facing surfaces and clear coat to prevent more rust. If not clear coat then lots of wax. If not going to use it just remove worst rust and sell it and let it someone else’s conundrum.
Great channel first,
With regards the Millar falls plane, if it was me, knowing it’s rarity I would pass it on to too someone who collects.
I’m not a collector, I like old Tools for the quality, an I’m happy too over restore them, if it suits me, but like yourself I only do that with common stuff, not the rare stuff.
Ps You guys in the States or the Uk have so good when it comes too getting Old tools.😞😞😞😎
I’ve decided I’m going to fully restore the plane. I’m making a video soon on the process.
i'll take something like a #41, clean it up, use it and know it will always be worth a lot. that's just a 5 buck block plane to any woodworker. if a collector wants it, sell it to him as is!
I am not a plane collector, so if I purchase a plane which needs to be restored, I restore it.
I have a knuckle cap just not a knuckle cap plane. The knuckle cap was incorrectly placed on a different block plane.
You still want my 2 cents? I restore, collect, resale as a hobby. I've could make a small book.
Also I just picked up one like on your table, no clue what model buts it's getting a full make over
I’ve decided this one is too. It will look way better and I’ll make it useable to boot.
I'm not a collector so I normally do a full restoration on mine. I like to get them as close to original factory finish as possible. New paint, wire brush the rust (and patina); I've been known to use my belt sander for the sole/sides/blade/etc (I know some collectors just died inside when they read this 😂). I have a first production no 10 1/2 with the adjustable mouth and it got the same treatment as all my other restorations. So I say make it factory shiny. 🙂
OK, u asked..
First, mission dictates weapons(always) so pick your use for the tool first then slowly compile the tools ability for the job selected..(subsection, this includes rarity, historical & monetary value ect) so you have a solid starting point.
If ever unsure go basic, flattening bottom, polish MF filister sides, blade sharp, check all moving parts, light grease/wax/oilcan.
Then write a list on the order of operation, many things you never thought of will happen here and you will rewrite this list several times before your satisfied.
Then and only then, execute the plan, taking careful note of any curballs/unseens while in process
Lastly...sit. stare, feel accomplished and thanks all who comment on su h fine work.
Final - use it so much it begins to look like you didnt restore it at all.
Also if your resaling, pick a color combo that people will know is yours.
Hope some of this offers the food for thought you requested
If only I was that organized, I’m more of a fly by the seat of my pants guy. Great comment for sure, love it…..
it would look better clean up then past it on 😉
OK I guess?????
I don't care one whit if a plane is rare or collectible. I hate collectors-they make tools unavailable for people who want to use them. End of that discussion. If I've got an old tool and I need to use it, I'll do what I need to to be able to use it. A tool sitting in a display case isn't a tool any longer. Certainly the people who made it was hoping it wouldn't be used. These things were never meant to be precious.
Video of the tune up on this one will be out soon, I think you’ll agree with the final result! Thanks for watching!