Exactly. Anyway for me, these aren’t video games anymore. It’s interactive cinematic storytelling. Rebirth was a masterpiece in my book and it’ll be many years until people realize it was the “Empire Strikes Back” of the FF7 Remake trilogy. Mark my words.
@@vangmxI agree. Obviously there are some criticisms. While I enjoyed the ending on rewatches I do think the execution could have been better. But this game will look even better once it’s put into context by the climax of part 3, which in my view, is the greatest twist/scene I’ve ever played in a game. But everything about this game was masterful. And it all started with the characters.
1:47:54 Do you see how pissed off Sephiroth looks in this brief moment? I haven't seen anyone else talk about it yet but I find it terrifying man. I don't think I've ever seen him look genuinely frustrated.
Oh, yeah. This was supposed to be his new endgame (Sephiroth Reborn's Assess text). The confluence was supposed to be his ascension. He needed Cloud's despair. But Aerith intervened, preventing that despair, brought in Zack to help in the cross-world fights, and personally showed up and chased him off in the end. She thwarted him at every turn, when he was supposed to win, when she was supposed to be removed from play. That moment from Sephiroth here is just outstanding.
oh lord.. why do i keep doing this to myself? watching the ending of people's playthroughs. im just gonna CRY AGAIN! hold up. lemme make a drink. i'm gonna need it :...( edit: i made a double
My personal theory about the game's ending is that Cloud *is* seeing aerith really there. However, it's the aerith from the timeline he created by blocking sephiroth's sword. There is evidence to support this. Like -sephiroth wanting cloud to help him defy destiny and telling cloud he had his blessing and he'd need a final push to join him in defying destiny and merging timelines, -how it had the new timeline rainbow efect when cloud blocked sephiroth's sword, -how aerith tells cloud "i saw what you did back there. Thanks," -how the scene changed when cloud walked past the circle of white whispers surrounding aerith at the end(before walking by them, the group was around aerith. After walking through the whispers, nobody is around), - how the wind from the bronco was blowing aerith's hair, - how aerith was still standing there saying goodbye after cloud and the others had already flown away, and even more that i cant think of right now off the top of my head. I believe the third game will involve zack trying to make cloud better so that he can save aerith. Not a lot of people seem to remember, but marlene told zack that cloud couldnt save her *until hes better.* This *has* to have payoff later on. Zack will help to make cloud better so that he can save the aerith from the timeline he made by blocking sephiroth's sword. Then, aerith will be permanently back(she's obviously coming back. She didn't even get her true final weapon in this game) and cloud and aerith will be reunited(theres so much foreshadowing for them being reunited. Hollow and no promises to keep, loveless, the flower gift that cloud gave aerith on their date(the one that symbolizes reunion in the future, like with leslie and his girlfriend), etc), romantically or platonically. Now, as a clerith shipper, i hope cloud and aerith might share a kiss after this moment. But honestly, im fine with whatever ship they decide to make canon. No matter what, it is canon that cloud and aerith love each other(as well as cloud and tifa, but their relationships feel pretty different). As for zack's fate, he either sacrifices himself for both cloud and aerith, lives and gets with cissnei, or lives and gets with tifa(since he's kind of the embodiment of what tifa wanted cloud to be). This is just what i think will happen, but no matter what, i just dont see them making a third game where aerith doesnt permanently come back. One complaint i have about this game is, unless the future third game tells us otherwise, biggs surviving had no point. He didnt contribute anything truly major other than letting zack know that the cloud he knows is different from the one zack knows.
The ending happened the exact same way as it did in the OG. Sephiroth came down and stabbed Aerith and the flickering we see is it jumping between reality and clouds broken perspective thinking he saved the day, not alternate realities. Nomura already said there are no alternate timelines or multiverse. He said it's something 'different' without specifying what 'different' was supposed to mean. Someone at one point mentioned that the other realities are simply dreams. This is also why I kind of believe Zack is still dead-dead. Every time we jump to Zack, cloud is going to sleep, and basically dreams he is Zack. The Cloud/Zach team up against Sephiroth is just cloud starting to separate his personality from his Zack persona. When you open the menu, Zach is invisible and Cloud is alone, implying Zach isn't really there. Also when you fight Bizarro Sephiroth as Zack in the dying world, Zack does his soldier monologue and it does weird cuts to Cloud doing the same thing for no reason. Theories aside, we'll just have to wait for the 3rd one to figure out exactly whats going on I guess.
The church is their spot: - First meeting together OG - Aerith special place - You see her "ghost " in OG, remind that meet her there, You meet the flower girl - Cloud lives in the church( in the movie) -He wants to be near Aerith, the church again. - He save by her, and she takes him to the church again.
@V.II. In the movie he doesn't live with Tifa, and he doesn't want to communicate with anyone, he lives there in the church. Nojima tells that in a interview that he wants to be near Aerith and the church is their spot.
The church scene has two variations of the "Oh, next time?" If you had gone on any of the two dates with Aerith then Cloud responds more positively to Aerith saying "Yeah, next time." Completely different mood here as Cloud turns to her to say it and Aerith is smiling and happy before it goes to the rest of the scene where she's saying "at least I know now where you and I stand."
Wow, I had no idea! There were a few people in chat saying I had gotten a few different outcomes than they had with certain scenes throughout the game, but I had no idea this was one of them! This game has so much replayability. My best friend is currently playing through with the intention of trying to get Aerith for the Gold Saucer date, it'll be interesting to see the changes through his playthrough! Thanks for the heads up! 💜
@@allytheninja Yeah! I think after the second Gold Saucer date the affinity system becomes pretty much useless outside of it being aesthetically pleasing to see all the relationships maxed haha. I believe that slight scene/dialogue change is the only thing that is impacted post Gold Saucer date.
I do love this game. Just with Aerith's death...the og just tore at me the whole time cause her theme never stopped at any time. Plus you saw her impaled on the sword. But what this game has given you is a chance to know the characters better through audio dialogue and much more lifelike. Its mutch more like a movie and seeing her death can make you think about if or when you lost someone. Its a means to an end though with the differences from what Im reading. The story is gonna branch out more during the next game. Probably why we're missing the lake scene of her sinking to the bottom. A lot of it also has to do with the fact we knew it was coming. Knew it was gonna be sad, which it still is, but you're more ready this time
I couldn't agree more with everything you've said. I was also thinking similarly about not seeing the lake scene with Aerith's send off, I was so confused why it wouldn't be shown at first, but as you said, there is so much more to all of this than we know at this current time. The final game will definitely answer all of our questions!
@allytheninja i checked out advent children briefly and I think they had a reference to the lake scene towards the beginning. Have to go back and watch again. Sucks though that we have to wait a few years for the 3rd part. Plenty of games though to play in between (when I can lol) Maybe ff17 will come out like 16 did between between remake and rebirth. One thing though that I love in this version is that even if you're moods are changing around during these cut scenes, Aerith's theme coming back in strongly as your characters run towards the boss fight. That puts the emotions in overdrive and that sadness doesnt go away.
I loved experiencing this game with you, Sis. You were phenomenal. Your passion for this made it so much better than I could've done it myself. Maybe we can scratch the itch with the big G later... ...and on to Reunion...it better be called Reunion.
I'm so freacking sad 😢😭❤️ I know 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ But Cloud lost mind because he's like Sephiroth possession 😮😮😮 maybe Cloud 2.0 evil 😤😤 Cloud take black materia 😮😮 Cait sith save the day 🎉🎉now he not traitor, he's my savior 🎉❤ Oh oh, Sephiroth take black materia 😮😮😲😲 Cloud don't hurt Tifa, she's your girlfriend 😮😮 Run Aerith !!! Oh man, no Cloud wake up asshole 😤😤 Now it's weird 😐😐 this places where Zack, Marlene and Emlyra.... whats happening 😮😮😮😮!!!! Aerith and Cloud date, but Aerith seems weird because Cloud don't know whats happening 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ Aerith don't want Cloud worry about this Places and Sephiroth....so Zack looking for the doctor Hojo but he isn't there and Zack looking for Biggs Oh nooo Biggs 😢😢😢 The church where Zack, Cloud and Aerith Zack see Sephiroth here the church, Zack know this black whispers by belong Sephiroth Cloud still feel weird whats happening for Aerith and that white materia full And Sephiroth there 😮😮😮 That's very weird 2 white materia, one white materia full and other white materia empty ....what the heck 😮😮 That's strange, cloud see eyes green like for mako because Aerith dream it's fake because it's illusion 😮😮 Tifa, Barret, nanaki, yuffie and cait sith worry Aerith and Cloud sick Tifa worry Cloud sick 😮😮 This place ancients 😮😮🎉🎉 Oh my god Sephiroth it's here 😮😮😮 I don't like Sephiroth say " pray Aerith" 🫨🫨🫨🫨 Cloud say " Aerith" like password 😂😂hahaha Oh no, I'm scared 😮😮 Cloud won and save her Aerith but it's fake because cloud full mako and losing his mind ☹️☹️ So nooo Aerith 😢😢😭😭😭 Cloud crying 😭 for lost Aerith 😢😢😢 And Sephiroth laughing for Cloud like puppet Cloud see Aerith wake up amd alive because cloud don't want feel guilt and sad He want strength and fighter ...nothing more 😬 So all boss fight very insane 😮🎉😮🎉😮 I'm so freacking excited duo cloud and Zack together 🎉🎉🎉 And Cloud and Aerith ❤❤❤ This ending was amazing, emotional and sad 😢😭❤️❤️ Goodbye Queen Aerith ❤❤😢😢😢 you're my Queen ❤❤❤😢😢😢 Waiting for final fantsay 7 part 3 finale 😢😢❤❤ It's over adventure 🎉🎉🎉 Thanks for enjoy ❤❤❤
Cloud’s VA was incredible in the Aerith black materia chase scene. Like that’s some of the best voice acting I’ve ever heard in a video game.
Exactly. Anyway for me, these aren’t video games anymore. It’s interactive cinematic storytelling. Rebirth was a masterpiece in my book and it’ll be many years until people realize it was the “Empire Strikes Back” of the FF7 Remake trilogy. Mark my words.
@@vangmxI agree. Obviously there are some criticisms. While I enjoyed the ending on rewatches I do think the execution could have been better. But this game will look even better once it’s put into context by the climax of part 3, which in my view, is the greatest twist/scene I’ve ever played in a game.
But everything about this game was masterful. And it all started with the characters.
Totally agree w/ OP. Cloud sounds -amazing-, especially in the ending. It’s ridiculous. “Perfection.”
Highly agree! Cody Christian has been a joy to experience as Cloud!
1:47:54 Do you see how pissed off Sephiroth looks in this brief moment? I haven't seen anyone else talk about it yet but I find it terrifying man. I don't think I've ever seen him look genuinely frustrated.
Oh, yeah. This was supposed to be his new endgame (Sephiroth Reborn's Assess text). The confluence was supposed to be his ascension. He needed Cloud's despair. But Aerith intervened, preventing that despair, brought in Zack to help in the cross-world fights, and personally showed up and chased him off in the end. She thwarted him at every turn, when he was supposed to win, when she was supposed to be removed from play. That moment from Sephiroth here is just outstanding.
Props on one cycling Sephiroth!!! I was caught by his death trap a few times before I passed it.
Thank you! I'm shocked I somehow turned that fight around!
oh lord.. why do i keep doing this to myself? watching the ending of people's playthroughs. im just gonna CRY AGAIN! hold up. lemme make a drink. i'm gonna need it :...(
edit: i made a double
Touching responses! Great vid, thank you.
1:26:53 Omnislash gets a split second before Octaslash best timing ever! Cloud: Too slow, you are DONE!😎
My personal theory about the game's ending is that Cloud *is* seeing aerith really there. However, it's the aerith from the timeline he created by blocking sephiroth's sword. There is evidence to support this. Like
-sephiroth wanting cloud to help him defy destiny and telling cloud he had his blessing and he'd need a final push to join him in defying destiny and merging timelines,
-how it had the new timeline rainbow efect when cloud blocked sephiroth's sword,
-how aerith tells cloud "i saw what you did back there. Thanks,"
-how the scene changed when cloud walked past the circle of white whispers surrounding aerith at the end(before walking by them, the group was around aerith. After walking through the whispers, nobody is around),
- how the wind from the bronco was blowing aerith's hair,
- how aerith was still standing there saying goodbye after cloud and the others had already flown away, and even more that i cant think of right now off the top of my head.
I believe the third game will involve zack trying to make cloud better so that he can save aerith. Not a lot of people seem to remember, but marlene told zack that cloud couldnt save her *until hes better.* This *has* to have payoff later on. Zack will help to make cloud better so that he can save the aerith from the timeline he made by blocking sephiroth's sword. Then, aerith will be permanently back(she's obviously coming back. She didn't even get her true final weapon in this game) and cloud and aerith will be reunited(theres so much foreshadowing for them being reunited. Hollow and no promises to keep, loveless, the flower gift that cloud gave aerith on their date(the one that symbolizes reunion in the future, like with leslie and his girlfriend), etc), romantically or platonically. Now, as a clerith shipper, i hope cloud and aerith might share a kiss after this moment. But honestly, im fine with whatever ship they decide to make canon. No matter what, it is canon that cloud and aerith love each other(as well as cloud and tifa, but their relationships feel pretty different). As for zack's fate, he either sacrifices himself for both cloud and aerith, lives and gets with cissnei, or lives and gets with tifa(since he's kind of the embodiment of what tifa wanted cloud to be). This is just what i think will happen, but no matter what, i just dont see them making a third game where aerith doesnt permanently come back.
One complaint i have about this game is, unless the future third game tells us otherwise, biggs surviving had no point. He didnt contribute anything truly major other than letting zack know that the cloud he knows is different from the one zack knows.
The ending happened the exact same way as it did in the OG. Sephiroth came down and stabbed Aerith and the flickering we see is it jumping between reality and clouds broken perspective thinking he saved the day, not alternate realities.
Nomura already said there are no alternate timelines or multiverse. He said it's something 'different' without specifying what 'different' was supposed to mean. Someone at one point mentioned that the other realities are simply dreams. This is also why I kind of believe Zack is still dead-dead. Every time we jump to Zack, cloud is going to sleep, and basically dreams he is Zack. The Cloud/Zach team up against Sephiroth is just cloud starting to separate his personality from his Zack persona. When you open the menu, Zach is invisible and Cloud is alone, implying Zach isn't really there. Also when you fight Bizarro Sephiroth as Zack in the dying world, Zack does his soldier monologue and it does weird cuts to Cloud doing the same thing for no reason.
Theories aside, we'll just have to wait for the 3rd one to figure out exactly whats going on I guess.
The church is their spot:
- First meeting together OG
- Aerith special place
- You see her "ghost " in OG, remind that meet her there, You meet the flower girl
- Cloud lives in the church( in the movie)
-He wants to be near Aerith, the church again.
- He save by her, and she takes him to the church again.
First meeting is the street. Zack and aerith spot is the church. Cloud lives with tifa post OG. He visits the church and he doesn't live there.
@V.II. In the movie he doesn't live with Tifa, and he doesn't want to communicate with anyone, he lives there in the church. Nojima tells that in a interview that he wants to be near Aerith and the church is their spot.
@@chibimoon1003 the delusion is strong here
@@GMD3N same to you, have a good day.
One thing though is you'll always get the Sephiroth music! Sick theme
Great playthrough 👍
Thanks for the playthrough, your a really fun personality to watch
Thank you so much for watching! ❤
The church scene has two variations of the "Oh, next time?" If you had gone on any of the two dates with Aerith then Cloud responds more positively to Aerith saying "Yeah, next time." Completely different mood here as Cloud turns to her to say it and Aerith is smiling and happy before it goes to the rest of the scene where she's saying "at least I know now where you and I stand."
Wow, I had no idea! There were a few people in chat saying I had gotten a few different outcomes than they had with certain scenes throughout the game, but I had no idea this was one of them! This game has so much replayability. My best friend is currently playing through with the intention of trying to get Aerith for the Gold Saucer date, it'll be interesting to see the changes through his playthrough! Thanks for the heads up! 💜
@@allytheninja Yeah! I think after the second Gold Saucer date the affinity system becomes pretty much useless outside of it being aesthetically pleasing to see all the relationships maxed haha. I believe that slight scene/dialogue change is the only thing that is impacted post Gold Saucer date.
Cait Sith, they could never make me form a concrete opinion about you 😂😂
😂😂😂
I do love this game. Just with Aerith's death...the og just tore at me the whole time cause her theme never stopped at any time. Plus you saw her impaled on the sword.
But what this game has given you is a chance to know the characters better through audio dialogue and much more lifelike. Its mutch more like a movie and seeing her death can make you think about if or when you lost someone.
Its a means to an end though with the differences from what Im reading. The story is gonna branch out more during the next game.
Probably why we're missing the lake scene of her sinking to the bottom.
A lot of it also has to do with the fact we knew it was coming. Knew it was gonna be sad, which it still is, but you're more ready this time
I couldn't agree more with everything you've said. I was also thinking similarly about not seeing the lake scene with Aerith's send off, I was so confused why it wouldn't be shown at first, but as you said, there is so much more to all of this than we know at this current time. The final game will definitely answer all of our questions!
@allytheninja i checked out advent children briefly and I think they had a reference to the lake scene towards the beginning. Have to go back and watch again. Sucks though that we have to wait a few years for the 3rd part. Plenty of games though to play in between (when I can lol) Maybe ff17 will come out like 16 did between between remake and rebirth.
One thing though that I love in this version is that even if you're moods are changing around during these cut scenes, Aerith's theme coming back in strongly as your characters run towards the boss fight. That puts the emotions in overdrive and that sadness doesnt go away.
So glad the end of this game can finally put the "timeline or multiverse" theories to rest
I loved experiencing this game with you, Sis. You were phenomenal. Your passion for this made it so much better than I could've done it myself.
Maybe we can scratch the itch with the big G later...
...and on to Reunion...it better be called Reunion.
It was all the more special to me having you there along for the ride, brother. Thank you for everything!
I'm here late....
Nope it’s a straight forward path to Aerith unfortunately
I'm so freacking sad 😢😭❤️
I know 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
But Cloud lost mind because he's like Sephiroth possession 😮😮😮 maybe Cloud 2.0 evil 😤😤
Cloud take black materia 😮😮
Cait sith save the day 🎉🎉now he not traitor, he's my savior 🎉❤
Oh oh, Sephiroth take black materia 😮😮😲😲
Cloud don't hurt Tifa, she's your girlfriend 😮😮
Run Aerith !!!
Oh man, no Cloud wake up asshole 😤😤
Now it's weird 😐😐 this places where Zack, Marlene and Emlyra.... whats happening 😮😮😮😮!!!!
Aerith and Cloud date, but Aerith seems weird because Cloud don't know whats happening 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Aerith don't want Cloud worry about this Places and Sephiroth....so Zack looking for the doctor Hojo but he isn't there and Zack looking for Biggs
Oh nooo Biggs 😢😢😢
The church where Zack, Cloud and Aerith
Zack see Sephiroth here the church, Zack know this black whispers by belong Sephiroth
Cloud still feel weird whats happening for Aerith and that white materia full
And Sephiroth there 😮😮😮
That's very weird 2 white materia, one white materia full and other white materia empty ....what the heck 😮😮
That's strange, cloud see eyes green like for mako because Aerith dream it's fake because it's illusion 😮😮
Tifa, Barret, nanaki, yuffie and cait sith worry Aerith and Cloud sick
Tifa worry Cloud sick 😮😮
This place ancients 😮😮🎉🎉
Oh my god Sephiroth it's here 😮😮😮
I don't like Sephiroth say " pray Aerith" 🫨🫨🫨🫨
Cloud say " Aerith" like password 😂😂hahaha
Oh no, I'm scared 😮😮
Cloud won and save her Aerith but it's fake because cloud full mako and losing his mind ☹️☹️
So nooo Aerith 😢😢😭😭😭
Cloud crying 😭 for lost Aerith 😢😢😢
And Sephiroth laughing for Cloud like puppet
Cloud see Aerith wake up amd alive because cloud don't want feel guilt and sad
He want strength and fighter ...nothing more 😬
So all boss fight very insane 😮🎉😮🎉😮
I'm so freacking excited duo cloud and Zack together 🎉🎉🎉
And Cloud and Aerith ❤❤❤
This ending was amazing, emotional and sad 😢😭❤️❤️
Goodbye Queen Aerith ❤❤😢😢😢 you're my Queen ❤❤❤😢😢😢
Waiting for final fantsay 7 part 3 finale 😢😢❤❤
It's over adventure 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for enjoy ❤❤❤