I love that ppl like you exist, With all the stuff that 40k has, the line is drawn at wolf pulled chariots? the sex God born from elf orgy is believable but not that? Lol
I mean, when you’re planet doesn’t have horses but have wolves roaming around the size of horses, that can be ridden by space wolves themselves, why wouldn’t you use them to pull chariots?
- ‘The unprecedented. Like… Astartes fighting Astartes? Like the Rout being called to sanction another Legion?’ - ‘That?’ he answers. He laughs, but it is a sad sound. ‘Hjolda, no. That’s not unprecedented.’ Those who know, know
Honestly I prefer the pre heresy designs of the space wolves they seem more grim and serious compared to 40K where their almost partially a joke faction
While always a bit silly, it feels like the silliness ramped up around the time of 5th edition, and that was when they started to feel like a joke, with them going ham on the wolf theme
Completely agree. I've always thought of them as pitiful, ignorant morons. This whole image of savages has been cultivated for years, but it's ironically accurate. There's not one thing I think is admirable about this shitty legion. I rank them near the bottom of all.
“An exception to the rule.” This quote nailed it for me. This is why I love the Space Wolves in 30k and 40k they are the exception to just about every rule and I love them dearly for it. Great video that highlights many of their faults as well as what makes them great.
to someone who hasn't been engaged with Warhammer stuff on a large scale since 40K was in its 4th edition, these videos are really interesting because the backstory of the legions before their Primarchs were discovered was not something Games Workshop ever spent much time on back then
The Minotaurs seem to have taken over their job in 40k, the marines that enforce the will of Terra on rogue marines. As for the wolfy wolf wolves, I always liked the 1d4chan story about Bjorn the Fell Handed waking up and being confused and angry that his legion of space vikings turned into a chapter of wolf furries while he was asleep.
It is interesting they decided to make the Space Wolves have this reputation for barbarity in the Horus Heresy, when it was established that in 40k they are one of the more 'humane' legions (all these of course being relative when you are talking about 7 foot killing machines who all have a tendency towards war crimes), while retaining their reputation for ferocity. Is it that they changed their outlook, or did the Imperium change around them?
Oh please. If daddy himself told Russ or the space wolves to Raze another planet in 40k, they wouldn’t even question it and jump at the act with gusto. They just learnt not to listen to anyone else that isn’t the Emperor.
The Wolves are the caring and compassionate (relatively) warriors they are today because they know from experience what blindly following orders to kill a civilization or group of people can cause.
I REALLY do appreciate these lore dumps. I know a lot of Warhammer background, but there is still so many little details that elude me, especially the Horus Heresy. The piles of novels and expensive Forgeworld books make it a bit hard to crack into, but these videos are great. The hype for Horus Heresy 2.0 is so real, and you are really helping to keep it going. At this rate, though, I am going to explode before it all comes out. lol
Space wolves were my first 40k army, back in 2nd Edition. In 40k they are a bit silly now with their wolf riders and wolf swords and wulfen etc. A bit unfortunate that they are grey in the heresy, since painting plastic miniatures for hours, just to end up having them all grey again isn't all that much fun ;)
I agree, we don't need werewolves and wolf sleighs and wolf ships. Just gimme some marines with war paint of runes and woad on their power armor, I'm good. The heresy Era Wolves feel like they ring truer for 2E, even the armor is more like the right color.
I do love how the thousand sons where loyalists up until the point that they had no choice but to side with the traitors. Can't wait to find out more about them
I remember reading a comment on a lore video about the heresy, the burning of Prospero in particular. Someone said that the Space Wolves were to be the Emperor's hunters, their role would be that He would use them against targets difficult to find and require tracking down and then exterminating. They said that is the reasons they were sent to attack Prospero because it was expected that Magnus would flee rather than lament and then later take up arms.
9:10 This is one of those things I always read as Russ placing the culture of Fenris above all else. To the point where I wonder if Russ would argue the Shamans aren't relevant because they don't truly participate in study, their role restricted to keepers of the history of Fenris and the Space Wolves.
The space wolves were my first army back in the mid 90s, I really like their heresy look running a bit closer to the Rogue Trader and early 2E black and white art style, and I feel their modern pack selection is already kind of like the heresy era units (all bolter squad, all melee ground pounder squad, all heavy weapons squads) plus I think they look really great in mk3 or their bespoke asymmetric shoulder armor. I just can't bring myself to do Wolves for 30k, the modern wolves have just really turned me off when they wolfed the wolf shark. Wolf. Wolf wolf wolf.
Hello, I play the VI Legion, the Vlka Fenryka in 30k and 40k. I found your channel as a recommended channel on my timeline, so it's nice to see you talking my legion. 🐺 For HH 2.0 I'm going to work on the VII Legion the Imperial Fists.
Space Wolves are my favorite. I made my chapter as a mix of Space Wolves and White Scars together to make the Doom Wolves (LOL IKR, when your young you think it is a cool name...). I liked the concept that an army mixed with those gene seeds would rove around in packs, vrooom vroooom :P
They where the first army I ever "completed" back in 3ed, loved my wolves! Now I've finniched my Iron Warriors and have gone back to my roots to revive my old Wolves in the Horus Hersy! Love the video!
When the Wolves were still the Rout, discipline was so poor the old Sargent Enforcer system used to keep the berserker Thunder Warriors in check was used to keep the proto Wolves from biting the hand that feed them.
From Sea Wolves (Historic Vikings) to Space Wolves (Heinleins' Space Marines). The concept is in fact very good. The Emperor's "guard-dog" or "enforcer": Utterly to a fault loyal to the Emperor's will and imbued with an extra zealotry/single-mindedness. That fits. The motif perhaps needs correct regulation.
I’ve learned at least one very cool lore snippet from every one of these uploads so far, I find myself excited for every upload - even for those legions I don’t care for (like this one) On an unrelated note, I am eagerly awaiting your video on the sons of Prospero 🧙🏽♂️
I am loving this series, I look forward to every upload! I think I'm most excited to the Iron Hands episode. They aren't all that well explored in 40k and they seem way cooler in 30k (well, everything seems way cooler in 30k)
I did not expect the Wolves to have such a controversial reputation among the Imperium. Their psyker hypocrisy and adherence to pointless Fenrisian traditions always made me dislike them. I'm still not a fan, but there are some admittedly admirable traits in the legion. Though he may not openly show it, Russ does love and respect his brothers. He could have slaughtered the World Eaters and Angron for disobeying the Emperor, but he did not. He had a friendly rivalry with the The Lion that continued to be honored by Dark Angels and Space Wolves. Russ also had the chance to kill Horus, but faltered by briefly showing mercy. And the Wolves themselves did pleasantly surprise me by defending civilians and soldiers from the Inquistion during the first Armageddon War. I definitely don't like them, but there's more to them than what's on the surface. I can see the appeal.
Bruh, this guy is the biggest fuckin idiot of all the primarchs. So he DISOBEYED the orders of the Emperor follow the whispers of Horus and BROKE MAGNUS' SPINE for nothing more than breaching the Edict, but you admire him that he showed mercy towards the arch-traitor himself Horus Lupercal who is in OPEN FUCKIN REVOLT against the Imperium at that point. OK. Sounds very honorable and quite smart. Not even gonna comment the civilian part after what they did to Prospero.
I'll never forgive the VI for what they did to Prospero (Of course it's the library of Alexandria all over again). Russ didn't have the excuse of being blinded by fury - barely sane with the butcher's nails in his brain like Angron and his sons. One could argue that they were true to their purpose, but it was the lack of reflection and wanton glee at the thought of slaughter, not to mention their hypocrisy towards psykers that has always soured my opinion of them. They never seemed to aspire to be more than what they were. Even in 40K they field mutants (Wulfen) without shame or censure, content to believe that they're beyond reproach, a breed apart.
Space Wolves. Abhorred for their excessively brutal fighting doctrines. Night Lords and World Eaters "hol up, you too?" Also, it seems like every time you said Leman Russ the captions gave me a new translation lol.
People knock the SW for all the wolfy stuff, but the Blood Angels are just as bad. Paraphrasing from Devastation of Baal "Dante rose from his blood bed and put on his blood red robes. Crossing the hall of Blood he sat at his blood red desk and lifted his blood quill. Dipping it into the fresh blood ink he wrote todays Blood orders to be relayed via blood messengers to the Chapter of the blood. Also Blood. Lots of Blood. Blood."
Exactly. They understood the need for limitation. The 15th legion was excessively arrogant just like their Primarch thinking they could master such powers.
Great video, as always. The Necron stuff had passed me by because they only became a thing after I took my break from the hobby so this is very handy (as is the Necron summary video)...
Hey Ian, thank you very much for your videos, they are truly a beautiful work of dedication towards the Warhammer lore. I just wanted to mention one thing about High Gothic pronunciation, if you want to pronunce "Principia Bellicosa" using the Latin phonetic on which (I suppose) the whole language is based, the right way of saying it should be "PrinCHIpia (like the word CHampion)". I know High Gothic isn't a real language, but most of its words come straight from a late Latin version, so I can assume the phonetic to be the same. Keep up the good work! (can't wait to see the Blood Angels Origins and Lore video) 😊😊😊
I think it’s pretty clear High Gothic is supposed to be Latin and Low Gothic is supposed to be English. And yes, you are correct, Principia is the plural of Principium and CI is not pronounced like KI in Latin
Is it said with a “chuh”? I always thought that Latin C is pronounced like English K, ie “Prin-Kip-ee-uh”. Fex, that Caesar should be pronounced more like Kaiser, which is closer to the original than how English does it despite ironically retaining the original spelling.
@@MasterShake9000 In Italy when we study Latin in school we are taught about Latin phonetic and you'd be surprised to know how much Latin and Italian have in common. Caesar is supposed to be pronounced with the soft c, .CHesar; at least this is what we have been taught in school since forever in Italy 😁
@@MasterShake9000 as I understand it there's basically two 'real' ways to pronounce Latin: 'classical', or the way the ancient Romans pronounced it (Prin-KIP-Ee-Uh), and 'ecclesiastical', or the way the mediaeval church came to pronounce it, influenced by more-modern Italian vulgate (Prin-CHIP-Ee-Uh). And then there's the modern-colloquial way which takes more of a lead from English and more-closely-related romance languages like French (Prin-SIP-Ee-Uh). If you ask someone in the modern English-speaking world to read "Caesar" and "Cicero" they'll most likely say "See-ser" and "Sissero", with a soft 's' sound to the 'c's. If you ask someone from Italy or someone who learned 'modern' Latin they'll say "Ches-are" and "Chi-cher-o", with a 'postveolar fricative' as in "cheese". (Complicated only a little by using English phonetic spelling; in Italian the 'Ch' sound is plosive anyway!) If you asked an ancient Roman, or perhaps someone who learned Latin via etymology, they'd have said "Kay-ser" and "Kikero" with a hard 'plosive' pronunciation. There seems to be a broad trend amongst scientific use of Latin to use the classical pronunciation, I've frequently heard both Newton's, and also Whitehead and Russel's "Principia Mathematica" referred to with a hard plosive 'c' on both instances, but it's by no means universal. So: yes, from what I understand you're right, but a great many people who think they speak Latin today will disagree with you. ;-) But more to the point, since the High Gothic of the 30/40k setting is quite clearly a reference to/pastiche of the Catholic church's use of Latin - particularly their insistence on delivering mass in Latin rather than local languages right up until (IIRC) the 1960s - it's probably more appropriate to use the ecclesiastical pronunciation of Latinate words (as Giacomo Torlontano above was suggesting) rather than the ancient Roman one in the Warhammer setting. Unless perhaps you're talking about Ultramarines.
Reading the comments I can see I'm not alone on thinking how silly the current iteration of Space Wolves are. And it's a shame because they were badass in 2nd/ 3rd edition and I would agree probably around 5th edition they went lame (lazy writing). Big fan of the Rout in Horus heresy though, slowly building my legion, hope to recreate the battle of prospero.
RE: 11:58 "They were saved by a relief force of Dark Angels..." I dunno mate, I think you glossed over a few things here... anyways, I'm pretty certain the Space Wolves were grateful (wink emoji or whatever)
It's never shown in the books, but there's a good chance it's the orange symbol bottom right at 10.02 which is also on the shoulder pad of the pre-Russ MK2 armour used a few times in the video. This is the same symbol used for 'field police' in the old Rogue Trader rulebook. If that's it, it's VERY stylised!
Huh; a remarkably nuanced translation of the “Space Vikings” concept. Though i am curious - are there any chapters with a strong Sassanid/Persian Aesthetic?
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj there's also a few Aztec influences here and there for the Thousand Sons (mostly in ADB's Black Library novels, but hey, still counts)
It would've been so much cooler if the wolf aspect of the Fenris was more of a side aspect rather than the viking aspect being the side piece and the wolf being the main focus
I'll be here for every episode, Ian. I always thought the Space Wolves were a bit silly myself. The name seems like something zero thought was put into back in Rogue Trader and the IP has been saddled with it ever since.
That's a fair criticism, but it's also pretty fair to level at the other first founding chapters. It feels to me a little like a "Fighting Hellfish, " it's fine as a nickname for an army unit. it gets pretty bad if it jumps the shark and becomes about literal fish. Or Wolves in this case.
5:30 - uhm ... wait what ? "Russ refused to pay him homage as the Master of Mankind. The Emperor had known well that proud Russ would never bow to his rule without being beaten in a contest." that doesn't sound so "eager" ...
Space Wolves were cooler as Viking Marines with a hint of werewolf than the sort of silly wolf marines riding wolves with wolf swords and wolf tail talismans they are nowadays. That's why they're cooler in the heresy, because they don't ride around on giant wolves or use chariots pulled by them. Always felt they were a bit of a "teachers pet" legion, getting to be super special and cool above and beyond the others, but then, the Viking/Marine mix aesthetic is really cool and plays up the technobarbarism of the setting in a way you rarely see with any other legion.
"Teacher's pet" is exactly how their rules feel in a bunch of editions. Space Wolves were like Grey Knights before Grey Knights and got to break certain rules because reasons. My dislike of the SW comes from how much cheese they had access to in older editions. Split fire devastator squads? Get to take power weapons AND special weapons in their tactical squads, on top of getting a sergeant with access to power weapons? Ballistic Skill 4 Leman Russ because fuck you? I'm really salty when it comes to Space Wolves, if you can't tell.
thanks for another fun, informative video on horus heresy lore. really digging the snappy little introduction (you've really come into your own as a presenter) as well as the absolute drip of that neon wolf shirt.
Such a great vid man, wonder if I should still go for a Space Wolves heresy army being that they only participated in a couple battles from the sound of it
The nice thing about the Heresy is that, while they only participated in a couple of FAMOUS battles, there were a million other tiny unrecorded battles to fight.
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The Sons of Russ uphold the Emperor’s will to the highest degree.
May they survive the Wolftime…
Always an iconic legion, despite the large levels of flanderization over time (wolf pulled cyber chariot?!)
I love that ppl like you exist,
With all the stuff that 40k has, the line is drawn at wolf pulled chariots? the sex God born from elf orgy is believable but not that? Lol
I mean, when you’re planet doesn’t have horses but have wolves roaming around the size of horses, that can be ridden by space wolves themselves, why wouldn’t you use them to pull chariots?
@@voidvitae4123 because cars?
Oh dont act like it isnt sick af
@spenser Graham If we’re talking about the Logan Grimnar santa sleigh then not really
- ‘The unprecedented. Like… Astartes fighting Astartes? Like the Rout being called to sanction another Legion?’
- ‘That?’ he answers. He laughs, but it is a sad sound. ‘Hjolda, no. That’s not unprecedented.’
Those who know, know
I just finished that book yesterday. Skjald Hawser really grew on me as a character
Yes, exactly, as for what happened to those missing legions... *I can't say*
I got into 40K back in 2nd Edition. When we only ever saw 4 chapters, of which one was the Space Wolves. (on goblin green bases!!)
I like what Abnett said of the 6th. They were the solution to a rebelling legion.
Honestly I prefer the pre heresy designs of the space wolves they seem more grim and serious compared to 40K where their almost partially a joke faction
While always a bit silly, it feels like the silliness ramped up around the time of 5th edition, and that was when they started to feel like a joke, with them going ham on the wolf theme
@@AFnord 5th-6th was when 40k started to jump the shark
I dare you to come to Fenris and say that to my face.
Completely agree. I've always thought of them as pitiful, ignorant morons. This whole image of savages has been cultivated for years, but it's ironically accurate. There's not one thing I think is admirable about this shitty legion. I rank them near the bottom of all.
I mean there still a joke in 30k
“An exception to the rule.” This quote nailed it for me. This is why I love the Space Wolves in 30k and 40k they are the exception to just about every rule and I love them dearly for it.
Great video that highlights many of their faults as well as what makes them great.
to someone who hasn't been engaged with Warhammer stuff on a large scale since 40K was in its 4th edition, these videos are really interesting because the backstory of the legions before their Primarchs were discovered was not something Games Workshop ever spent much time on back then
The Minotaurs seem to have taken over their job in 40k, the marines that enforce the will of Terra on rogue marines.
As for the wolfy wolf wolves, I always liked the 1d4chan story about Bjorn the Fell Handed waking up and being confused and angry that his legion of space vikings turned into a chapter of wolf furries while he was asleep.
100% - Love them as Viking inspired Space Marines, less as wolfy this, wolfy that. get over it.
Minotaurs answer to the Senate🤷♂️
Weren't the Vikings/Norse called "The Wolves Of The Sea"? Sea = Space and Space Wolves?
It is interesting they decided to make the Space Wolves have this reputation for barbarity in the Horus Heresy, when it was established that in 40k they are one of the more 'humane' legions (all these of course being relative when you are talking about 7 foot killing machines who all have a tendency towards war crimes), while retaining their reputation for ferocity. Is it that they changed their outlook, or did the Imperium change around them?
It's their entire Arc throughout the Heresy
@@FoxHound-ut1hu yeah this, going from executioners to champions
Oh please. If daddy himself told Russ or the space wolves to Raze another planet in 40k, they wouldn’t even question it and jump at the act with gusto. They just learnt not to listen to anyone else that isn’t the Emperor.
A change in leadership makes all the difference.
The top ten percent since Bjorn have been more humane, the rest of the Legion follows suit.
I really like the scratchy quality of many of the illustrations in this video; they are full of energy and madness.
The Wolves are the caring and compassionate (relatively) warriors they are today because they know from experience what blindly following orders to kill a civilization or group of people can cause.
I REALLY do appreciate these lore dumps. I know a lot of Warhammer background, but there is still so many little details that elude me, especially the Horus Heresy. The piles of novels and expensive Forgeworld books make it a bit hard to crack into, but these videos are great. The hype for Horus Heresy 2.0 is so real, and you are really helping to keep it going. At this rate, though, I am going to explode before it all comes out. lol
Space wolves were my first 40k army, back in 2nd Edition. In 40k they are a bit silly now with their wolf riders and wolf swords and wulfen etc. A bit unfortunate that they are grey in the heresy, since painting plastic miniatures for hours, just to end up having them all grey again isn't all that much fun ;)
Wulfen, as first introduced in 3rd edition’s Eye of Terror campaign were great
I agree, we don't need werewolves and wolf sleighs and wolf ships. Just gimme some marines with war paint of runes and woad on their power armor, I'm good. The heresy Era Wolves feel like they ring truer for 2E, even the armor is more like the right color.
I do love how the thousand sons where loyalists up until the point that they had no choice but to side with the traitors. Can't wait to find out more about them
For Russ and the Allfather
A great legion, always fun to play in 40k. The subsequent 30k fluff has made them even better. The second most humble legion after the 18th!
I remember reading a comment on a lore video about the heresy, the burning of Prospero in particular. Someone said that the Space Wolves were to be the Emperor's hunters, their role would be that He would use them against targets difficult to find and require tracking down and then exterminating. They said that is the reasons they were sent to attack Prospero because it was expected that Magnus would flee rather than lament and then later take up arms.
9:10 This is one of those things I always read as Russ placing the culture of Fenris above all else. To the point where I wonder if Russ would argue the Shamans aren't relevant because they don't truly participate in study, their role restricted to keepers of the history of Fenris and the Space Wolves.
I'd love to find out more about the Rangda, as this was one of the few xenos/lore bits I was almost entirely unfamiliar with.
Theyre left incredibly vague but frequently described as the worst thing the Imperium faced during the Great Crusade
The space wolves were my first army back in the mid 90s, I really like their heresy look running a bit closer to the Rogue Trader and early 2E black and white art style, and I feel their modern pack selection is already kind of like the heresy era units (all bolter squad, all melee ground pounder squad, all heavy weapons squads) plus I think they look really great in mk3 or their bespoke asymmetric shoulder armor. I just can't bring myself to do Wolves for 30k, the modern wolves have just really turned me off when they wolfed the wolf shark. Wolf. Wolf wolf wolf.
Hello, I play the VI Legion, the Vlka Fenryka in 30k and 40k. I found your channel as a recommended channel on my timeline, so it's nice to see you talking my legion. 🐺 For HH 2.0 I'm going to work on the VII Legion the Imperial Fists.
Got to love the Adrian Smith Space Wolves illustrations.
They certainly filled about half of this video and for that I'm grateful! ☺️
Space Wolves are my favorite. I made my chapter as a mix of Space Wolves and White Scars together to make the Doom Wolves (LOL IKR, when your young you think it is a cool name...). I liked the concept that an army mixed with those gene seeds would rove around in packs, vrooom vroooom :P
"Space wolves" is no better lo and that's actually a really good idea, two tribal chapters mixed together like mongols n Vikings
Enjoying the series 👍
They where the first army I ever "completed" back in 3ed, loved my wolves!
Now I've finniched my Iron Warriors and have gone back to my roots to revive my old Wolves in the Horus Hersy!
Love the video!
Lol..."Lemon" Russ.
When the God Emperor gives you Lemons, you find a new Geneseed....or grow fangs and a lot of hair.
I prefer 'Le-Mon', said like some French Jamaican guy... /s
Another great addition to this series looking forward to each upcoming legion
When the Wolves were still the Rout, discipline was so poor the old Sargent Enforcer system used to keep the berserker Thunder Warriors in check was used to keep the proto Wolves from biting the hand that feed them.
Thanks for this informative video! Loving your highly appropriate wolf shirt!
From Sea Wolves (Historic Vikings) to Space Wolves (Heinleins' Space Marines).
The concept is in fact very good. The Emperor's "guard-dog" or "enforcer": Utterly to a fault loyal to the Emperor's will and imbued with an extra zealotry/single-mindedness.
That fits. The motif perhaps needs correct regulation.
Bravo on the on point shirt selection.
This is relevant to my interests.
After reading Prospero burns they became one of my favorite chapters.
Great video. Did not know about the 3 specialized legions. Keep up the good work.
I’ve learned at least one very cool lore snippet from every one of these uploads so far, I find myself excited for every upload - even for those legions I don’t care for (like this one)
On an unrelated note, I am eagerly awaiting your video on the sons of Prospero 🧙🏽♂️
My favorite legion! Great video, keep it up! The Vlka Fenryka will rise again!
One of the coolest chapters.
Yee… never really liked them. Don’t really like the Viking thing. It’s just over liked
100%
Spot on brother!
Been looking forward to this one, Space Wolves were my army way back.
I am loving this series, I look forward to every upload! I think I'm most excited to the Iron Hands episode. They aren't all that well explored in 40k and they seem way cooler in 30k (well, everything seems way cooler in 30k)
Awesome series! Can't wait for the next one each time!
I like that your beard looks more full, when you talk about my Vlka.
These videos are fantastic, I am binging them all.
If you listen closely you can hear a 10 foot red nerd raging from the distance 😅
Great series, Ian! The videos are great. I find myself using them to introduce myself to a Legion I've neglected reading up on.
So the Space Wolves were Sardaukar basically?
I did not expect the Wolves to have such a controversial reputation among the Imperium. Their psyker hypocrisy and adherence to pointless Fenrisian traditions always made me dislike them. I'm still not a fan, but there are some admittedly admirable traits in the legion. Though he may not openly show it, Russ does love and respect his brothers. He could have slaughtered the World Eaters and Angron for disobeying the Emperor, but he did not. He had a friendly rivalry with the The Lion that continued to be honored by Dark Angels and Space Wolves. Russ also had the chance to kill Horus, but faltered by briefly showing mercy. And the Wolves themselves did pleasantly surprise me by defending civilians and soldiers from the Inquistion during the first Armageddon War. I definitely don't like them, but there's more to them than what's on the surface. I can see the appeal.
Bruh, this guy is the biggest fuckin idiot of all the primarchs.
So he DISOBEYED the orders of the Emperor follow the whispers of Horus and BROKE MAGNUS' SPINE for nothing more than breaching the Edict, but you admire him that he showed mercy towards the arch-traitor himself Horus Lupercal who is in OPEN FUCKIN REVOLT against the Imperium at that point. OK. Sounds very honorable and quite smart. Not even gonna comment the civilian part after what they did to Prospero.
Would love to see detailed stories of Ork Clans/infamous Orks in 40k history.
In my opinion the trefoil legions represen loyalty: loyalty to the Emperor himself, loyalty to his dream and loyalty to humanity.
great series, well written and very well summarized. Looking forward to all the heresy legions.
SO PUMPED FOR THIS AS A SW PLAYER!!!
This series is epic, please keep it up Ian!
Wolf thanks wolf for the wolf video.
I'll never forgive the VI for what they did to Prospero (Of course it's the library of Alexandria all over again). Russ didn't have the excuse of being blinded by fury - barely sane with the butcher's nails in his brain like Angron and his sons. One could argue that they were true to their purpose, but it was the lack of reflection and wanton glee at the thought of slaughter, not to mention their hypocrisy towards psykers that has always soured my opinion of them. They never seemed to aspire to be more than what they were. Even in 40K they field mutants (Wulfen) without shame or censure, content to believe that they're beyond reproach, a breed apart.
I mean they guy begged Magnus to surrender
Your articulation makes your videos top notch
Space Wolves. Abhorred for their excessively brutal fighting doctrines.
Night Lords and World Eaters "hol up, you too?"
Also, it seems like every time you said Leman Russ the captions gave me a new translation lol.
"Oh sure, cull us for being too violent and unstable at the end of Unity, But if yer in the 6th, it's fine!"
I always loved the Space Wolves from a thematic level with a beautiful aesthetic.
Okay Ian hear me out : the shirt is a bit cheeky. I love it.
Really enjoying this series
People knock the SW for all the wolfy stuff, but the Blood Angels are just as bad. Paraphrasing from Devastation of Baal "Dante rose from his blood bed and put on his blood red robes. Crossing the hall of Blood he sat at his blood red desk and lifted his blood quill. Dipping it into the fresh blood ink he wrote todays Blood orders to be relayed via blood messengers to the Chapter of the blood. Also Blood. Lots of Blood. Blood."
The primarch whose name means "Iron Hands" leads the Iron Hands with his Iron Hands. If it's not a bit cringe, it's not space marines.
That is one of the best things about 40k, and 30k for that matter. Its all a bit silly and over the top. That is part of what makes it fun.
10:07 damn, that's a party rhino
sweet shirt man. cant wait for deathgaurd
This channel is ridiculously good
I always hate when people leave out that leeman russ gave magnus a chance and he didn't take it
The problem the 6th had with psyquers were not these guys but the unrestricted use of psyquic powers.
Exactly. They understood the need for limitation. The 15th legion was excessively arrogant just like their Primarch thinking they could master such powers.
Great video, as always. The Necron stuff had passed me by because they only became a thing after I took my break from the hobby so this is very handy (as is the Necron summary video)...
On a totally unrelated note, love the shirt!
Hey Ian, thank you very much for your videos, they are truly a beautiful work of dedication towards the Warhammer lore. I just wanted to mention one thing about High Gothic pronunciation, if you want to pronunce "Principia Bellicosa" using the Latin phonetic on which (I suppose) the whole language is based, the right way of saying it should be "PrinCHIpia (like the word CHampion)". I know High Gothic isn't a real language, but most of its words come straight from a late Latin version, so I can assume the phonetic to be the same.
Keep up the good work! (can't wait to see the Blood Angels Origins and Lore video)
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I think it’s pretty clear High Gothic is supposed to be Latin and Low Gothic is supposed to be English. And yes, you are correct, Principia is the plural of Principium and CI is not pronounced like KI in Latin
Is it said with a “chuh”? I always thought that Latin C is pronounced like English K, ie “Prin-Kip-ee-uh”.
Fex, that Caesar should be pronounced more like Kaiser, which is closer to the original than how English does it despite ironically retaining the original spelling.
@@MasterShake9000 In Italy when we study Latin in school we are taught about Latin phonetic and you'd be surprised to know how much Latin and Italian have in common.
Caesar is supposed to be pronounced with the soft c, .CHesar; at least this is what we have been taught in school since forever in Italy 😁
@@MasterShake9000 as I understand it there's basically two 'real' ways to pronounce Latin: 'classical', or the way the ancient Romans pronounced it (Prin-KIP-Ee-Uh), and 'ecclesiastical', or the way the mediaeval church came to pronounce it, influenced by more-modern Italian vulgate (Prin-CHIP-Ee-Uh). And then there's the modern-colloquial way which takes more of a lead from English and more-closely-related romance languages like French (Prin-SIP-Ee-Uh).
If you ask someone in the modern English-speaking world to read "Caesar" and "Cicero" they'll most likely say "See-ser" and "Sissero", with a soft 's' sound to the 'c's. If you ask someone from Italy or someone who learned 'modern' Latin they'll say "Ches-are" and "Chi-cher-o", with a 'postveolar fricative' as in "cheese". (Complicated only a little by using English phonetic spelling; in Italian the 'Ch' sound is plosive anyway!) If you asked an ancient Roman, or perhaps someone who learned Latin via etymology, they'd have said "Kay-ser" and "Kikero" with a hard 'plosive' pronunciation.
There seems to be a broad trend amongst scientific use of Latin to use the classical pronunciation, I've frequently heard both Newton's, and also Whitehead and Russel's "Principia Mathematica" referred to with a hard plosive 'c' on both instances, but it's by no means universal.
So: yes, from what I understand you're right, but a great many people who think they speak Latin today will disagree with you. ;-) But more to the point, since the High Gothic of the 30/40k setting is quite clearly a reference to/pastiche of the Catholic church's use of Latin - particularly their insistence on delivering mass in Latin rather than local languages right up until (IIRC) the 1960s - it's probably more appropriate to use the ecclesiastical pronunciation of Latinate words (as Giacomo Torlontano above was suggesting) rather than the ancient Roman one in the Warhammer setting. Unless perhaps you're talking about Ultramarines.
*Angry Prospero noises*
'LoL' said Leman of the Russ 'lmao'
My fave! Great video as always.
Reading the comments I can see I'm not alone on thinking how silly the current iteration of Space Wolves are.
And it's a shame because they were badass in 2nd/ 3rd edition and I would agree probably around 5th edition they went lame (lazy writing).
Big fan of the Rout in Horus heresy though, slowly building my legion, hope to recreate the battle of prospero.
As if the first ad which I got for this video was the Amazon one with the dogs
I love this channel! Well done!
Would love it if you expanded on the wolves and did break downs on the great companies
Great video Ian! Keep up the good work!
Magnus: "i punched him through the chest, god dammit! why does everyone forget this?"
Love this series Ian. If you ever want a game if original Necromunda I'm down hive waiting
RE: 11:58 "They were saved by a relief force of Dark Angels..." I dunno mate, I think you glossed over a few things here... anyways, I'm pretty certain the Space Wolves were grateful (wink emoji or whatever)
Explain pls
Really enjoying the series, thanks
Whereabouts can I find the information on the pre Russ crossed burning swords logo (4:35 in video)
It's never shown in the books, but there's a good chance it's the orange symbol bottom right at 10.02 which is also on the shoulder pad of the pre-Russ MK2 armour used a few times in the video. This is the same symbol used for 'field police' in the old Rogue Trader rulebook. If that's it, it's VERY stylised!
Huh; a remarkably nuanced translation of the “Space Vikings” concept.
Though i am curious - are there any chapters with a strong Sassanid/Persian Aesthetic?
The Thousand Sons are a cross between Egyptian and Persian aesthetic
And the Word Bearers use a lot of Persian/Babylonian names. But no real "aesthetic" elements there.
Not really, but you can play Chaos Dwarves instead… 😀
@@Tulkash01 chaos dwarfs are no longer in fantasy, aren’t a chapter and are Assyrian/Babylonian in aesthetic 🧐
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj there's also a few Aztec influences here and there for the Thousand Sons (mostly in ADB's Black Library novels, but hey, still counts)
Did you leave a bit of scruff in honour of the wolves? 🐺
It would've been so much cooler if the wolf aspect of the Fenris was more of a side aspect rather than the viking aspect being the side piece and the wolf being the main focus
I'll be here for every episode, Ian. I always thought the Space Wolves were a bit silly myself. The name seems like something zero thought was put into back in Rogue Trader and the IP has been saddled with it ever since.
That's a fair criticism, but it's also pretty fair to level at the other first founding chapters. It feels to me a little like a "Fighting Hellfish, " it's fine as a nickname for an army unit. it gets pretty bad if it jumps the shark and becomes about literal fish. Or Wolves in this case.
@@Crushanator1 Imagine if the Raven Guard turned out to actually have raven heads underneath their beaky helms.
"Russ eagerly accepted"? Not quite, wasn't there some big contest with drinking and eating and brawling?
5:30 - uhm ... wait what ?
"Russ refused to pay him homage as the Master of Mankind. The Emperor had known well that proud Russ would never bow to his rule without being beaten in a contest."
that doesn't sound so "eager" ...
Space Wolves were cooler as Viking Marines with a hint of werewolf than the sort of silly wolf marines riding wolves with wolf swords and wolf tail talismans they are nowadays.
That's why they're cooler in the heresy, because they don't ride around on giant wolves or use chariots pulled by them.
Always felt they were a bit of a "teachers pet" legion, getting to be super special and cool above and beyond the others, but then, the Viking/Marine mix aesthetic is really cool and plays up the technobarbarism of the setting in a way you rarely see with any other legion.
the White Scars have a bit of the same technobarbarism aesthetic going on, just with Central Asian instead of Nordic themes
"Teacher's pet" is exactly how their rules feel in a bunch of editions. Space Wolves were like Grey Knights before Grey Knights and got to break certain rules because reasons. My dislike of the SW comes from how much cheese they had access to in older editions. Split fire devastator squads? Get to take power weapons AND special weapons in their tactical squads, on top of getting a sergeant with access to power weapons? Ballistic Skill 4 Leman Russ because fuck you?
I'm really salty when it comes to Space Wolves, if you can't tell.
thanks for another fun, informative video on horus heresy lore. really digging the snappy little introduction (you've really come into your own as a presenter) as well as the absolute drip of that neon wolf shirt.
Awesome video fella!
Heresy era Space Wolves are far more interesting than 40k version. Prospero Burns completely changed my opinion of the legion.
Me too. Prospero Burns made them believable.
They are the dog loving furries that I would never mess with
There are no wolves on Fenris. Still have no idea what that means but damn it sounds cool
My First Army in the 2nd Edition.
Do you feel like they’ve been too greatly flanderized over time with there overwhelming wolf motif?
how did leman russ battle tanks get their name? whats the connection to the SW primarch?
Going based on the Land Raider/Speeder stupidity, I wouldn’t be surprised if Leman Russ found the STC after the heresy
In RT days Leman Russ was just some Imperial Army general and the tank was named after him. Lore drift happened later.
FINALLY!!
MY BOYS!!!
Spot on my wolven brother!
Such a great vid man, wonder if I should still go for a Space Wolves heresy army being that they only participated in a couple battles from the sound of it
The nice thing about the Heresy is that, while they only participated in a couple of FAMOUS battles, there were a million other tiny unrecorded battles to fight.
Didn't the 6th have some involvement in the two unknown legions destruction/ dispersion?
Hey ian, greaty videos as always, i am gonna have to know where that shirt is from :D
Space wolves who? I only understand Vlka Fenryka