I agree with you your biggest problem is lack of water. We are in drought #2 this year. I have been watering the past 2 weeks giving the lawn 2 weeks to dry out from Helene
It's dry. You can see the existing grass in the sunny areas needling and withering. You even pointed out the shady areas are doing better, thats a key indicator. Its not only the rye the new seedlings need water. I recommend you using a multi zone timer and setup irrigation. You don't have to be there to water. Set it, monitor it a day or 2 for insurance that it's working properly and walk away for a week or so. Having consistent water during this period is as important as having seed.
Amen my friend! Thanks so much for the comment. If only it was that easy...I'll explain more in the next one, but the water source at this location is a challenge in itself.
I think most of us here on your channel @MrFerguson can agree, 1, should've gone with just Black Beauty only & 2, should get a timer for the sprinklers for the church. 10 minutes at 5 am, 11 am, 5 pm, 11 pm would have done great. Orbit timer don't cost much. That's what I use.
@@MrFergusonLawn Can you get some kind of splitter or manifold that would allow multiple users? Each outlet would have it's own on/off ball valve, so you could attach a timer(s) to one outlet and leave the other(s) for someone else to use.
Makes sense. I've got rye that loves to check out in summer here in indiana clay. That metal building probably really toasts things there in GA. Fescue, aeration and water probably is your ticket. Thanks for sharing!
Water... Water... Water... Church needs a sprinkler system. I also suspect your soil pH might still be too low. My soil pH dropped dramatically from the spring to fall. From what I've read, heavy rains can leach nutrients and make soil more acidic. We had heavy rains in central NC around end of July, and again late September... I have had to HEAVILY fertilize and lime (mag-i-cal + regular lime) to get my lawn to recover this fall. Watering has been a part-time job with this current drought...
Its definitely going to be a ongoing battle without water as u well know..... but u got this brother it will all come together..... it definently looks like it's a water issue. In my opinion ......ur doing everything right and everything u can ..... id say whatever ur doing to ur mustache do to the lawn and ull have great success!!!! Lol
I’ve had this issue when I tried pregerminating, some areas came in others came up then died off even with watering and then crabgrass took its spot. don’t think I’ll ever pregerminate again not worth it in my opinion caused more headaches then anything
On my 2nd reseeding. 1st seeding i plugged, seeded and watered w no results on my second re seeding took it down to bare dirt going on about day 10 and not seeing any germination. A little frustrated with the lawn right now.
Its not the seed its the water.if you cant keep the soil moist it definitely henders the germination. There's a good saying i like to use if it dries out it dies out. Im in Virginia and all of my spots i seeded have been germinating.
After watching your video from you FIL house, this property would be a great candidate for Kentucky 31. PRG is a gimmicky grass until it establishes. Big thing is it succumbs to pythium blight easily as well but needs a ton of water so 😅… looking forward to seeing how the fescue establishes.
The patchy color of everything looks like a watering problem to me. I would assume that if you took a soil probe, like you get with soil test kits, and took a sample, core it would be bone dry all the way through the sample. The patchy color might mean disease, fungus but with the lack of rain, I doubt it. Edit: Admittedly, most of this knowledge doesn't come from me, but my many, many hours of watching Pest and Lawn Ginja and his 5 steps to Lawn evaluation.
@MrFerguson. I think if you set up a gofundme for the church lawn, you could get a good sum. You once said in the vid that your weather over in NC is just 2-3 months of winter, that you could start planting as early as March for a Spring seeding, 50+ degrees outside. I think going with TF seed would be best, so should keep it that way. If you can get half your subscribers to donate $5, that's $20k. That's a lot of $ that could help out the church & it's lawn. Seed, sprinklers, hoses, timer, water pump, new AC(condenser/outside unit), etc. If you do, I'd donate. I think we all see what you trying to do & help, & we all support it.
Not a bad idea but its all good man. It's not that serious of an issue. There are so many other more important needs than a recreational lawn project water irrigation haha. We just need to work with getting the pump replaced in the well first of all. That would help tremendously to start with.
@@MrFergusonLawn I'm saying the gofundme $ would go to whatever church needs help. If you get $20k by just half your subscribers donating $5, that's $20k to help replace the pump & whatever the church needs. Whatever lil bit left could go towards the grass.
Mr. Ferguson, do you think it would help to apply some Ecologel Fourplay to the project lawn so it can hold moisture for longer? I did in that in some of the problem areas of my lawn this year, and those spots survived through a lot of drought with not much water input from me. When I manually aerated those spots for fall seeding, they were rock hard, and the Fourplay kept them going through the drought.
Rye is a cool season grass. Also, I hear crunching when you're walking. It's dry. You need water man. The other stuff you're throwing down is a waste of money.
Well that's why I stated it needs water lol. As far as the other stuff, we've proven its not a waste, but you do your lawn as you want friend. Take care!
@@richharris4134 not really. All the teachers teach during the week, and so it’s just me or no one honestly. It’s a smaller church. No full time landscapers or anything.
You probably have a combination of rock hard soil, no moisture, and possibly a pH issue. I would run another aeration through it if you can or aeravation! Identify what weeds you have and possible spot spray those, a lot of work but I’m sure your expectations are higher.
I can’t remember, did you dethatch that lawn? When I saw your lawn today I thought of that groundskeeper rake to pull up some of the brown material. That may help reseed be applied directly to soil. Keep trying and thanks for sharing.
Bermuda ..put down sod .. water it, fertilize, weed control, bio, and good to go. Way less work …looks good if you take care of it and last forever. I have Bermuda in front and tall fescue in back and fescue here in Oklahoma works me to death.
Don't be getting ahead of me now, lol. We are going to be discussing this more to come. We have previously, but obviously new viewers don't know. Your just slightly ahead of me Ray haha
looks to me that u need a layer of compost to amend that dry soil, seems like some hard dry clay soil where nothing grows in. Needs some good organics in it.
Water, Radiant heat from buildings ,sidewalks etc & foot traffic... Good Ole Kentucky 31 has been @ our church forever!!!....Its a lighter green until it ages but its pretty tough!!! And its CHEAP!
No true man. Ik your struggles, i struggled myself years a year ago. But it's not the mix. It's a combo of different things. I'm in SC which is below where you live and it's just as hot if not hotter here, yet i have Rye and KBG mix in my yard that flourishes right now. Though I'm not a fan a JG products myself, i can assure you, it's not the mix. It's the church soil more than likely and without constant irrigation, no grass can propser in crappy soil.... you literally said the church soil has rocks and what not.....i started my reno last year, but because i skipped NO steps (scarifying rocks out my soil, spread small layer of compost on top of existing soil, etc...) my rye and KBG is thriving even in South Carolina heat (same as NC). You need, decent soil, sun, and water.... any absence of sun and water combined with subpar soil is destined for issues no matter what seed or fert you put down.
Thanks man. Good to hear yours is going well! Only thing I'd throw back to you, is the fact the GCI Cool Blue last season did just fine. If anything, the soil has improved from then, so...I can't say I agree completely. It either has to be the rye grass roots are more shallow than the fescue, or literally water, which I personally think it's a combo of both. Either way, thank you for commenting and watching. It's fun (afterwards) to learn this stuff in person.
@MrFergusonLawn no prob mr. Ferg.... I've been watching your channel for awhile and I'll agree that rye roots are more shallow.... I've also noticed that because rye germinates faster than the other grasses, it'll become susceptible to disease and root eating insects earlier in the seeding than the other grasses.... during my seed watering process, the first signs of disease and regression in my yard always starts with the rye before the KBG and also since the leaf germinates & roots grow in rye the fastest, those are the first roots and leaves to get eaten if there's a grub or armyworm issue which we have alot of here in SC..... just another thing I've notices & dealt with before around fall here in SC so just sharing my experience from one lawn guy to another...
You should consider using a warm season grass. Maybe the Bermuda Pete sells….something to think about….thats what I would do…you can paint when it goes dormant….
We've already discussed previously that this is ultimately where this area is headed. However, once that is done, it's a done deal. We are just experimenting before that train arrives lol
I agree. No rain since the hurricane has left the grass unwilling to grow. I want to mow twice a week, but I don't have enough growth and I don't want to run my irrigation so much.
@@nealwhite1474 Great question, and we haven’t this season. My plan was to do this in Feb or March, being we’ve already done fertilizer. However, we may need to do it now to figure this out….if it’s not just rye grass issues.
Don't soil test until about 6-8wks after your last fertilizer application. Unless you eliminate the common Bermuda it will be back. Remember your fertilizer feeds the Bermuda too, not just the cool season grass. Stop using Air8. Waste of money. You have to figure out the irrigation.
I think aerating a lawn regularly does more harm than good, especially when a lawn doesn't need it! Every time you overseed, you don't have to aerate if the soil is not compacted. As long as the grass seeds are in contact with the soil, there shouldn't be any problems of it germinating. Some people overwork their lawns by aerating it unnecessarily and applying various chemicals to the lawn that it doesn't need, to the point that its damaged.
@@slimdude2011 except this lawn has never been aerated. Ever. So it’s the definition of compaction. It was absolutely necessary. Besides that, as mentioned, no chemicals have been applied that were extra.
@@MrFergusonLawn If it's never been aerated then that's the issue. The lawn is stressed and it's going through a recovery process. It's going to take a few weeks before it gets back to normal. Core aerating is very aggressive and harsh on a lawn, and it will induce shock to the roots.
Mr Fergy, I feel your pain man! That ryegrass will pop up quick and look very good.I have planted a lot of it for years but if you've got red clay in your soil and it drys out..those young roots will shrivel up and die pretty quickly. Sorry..I know you worked very hard on it.
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I agree with you your biggest problem is lack of water. We are in drought #2 this year. I have been watering the past 2 weeks giving the lawn 2 weeks to dry out from Helene
Appreciate you sharing the good, the bad, and the ugly. Not a lot of channels do that honestly.
It's dry. You can see the existing grass in the sunny areas needling and withering. You even pointed out the shady areas are doing better, thats a key indicator. Its not only the rye the new seedlings need water. I recommend you using a multi zone timer and setup irrigation. You don't have to be there to water. Set it, monitor it a day or 2 for insurance that it's working properly and walk away for a week or so. Having consistent water during this period is as important as having seed.
Amen my friend! Thanks so much for the comment. If only it was that easy...I'll explain more in the next one, but the water source at this location is a challenge in itself.
Our grass looked like that in some areas with brown patches. It ended up being army worms.
The leftover green Bermuda seems to be holding on when it’s near concrete. And also where the sun reflects off the metal siding of the church.
I think most of us here on your channel @MrFerguson can agree, 1, should've gone with just Black Beauty only & 2, should get a timer for the sprinklers for the church. 10 minutes at 5 am, 11 am, 5 pm, 11 pm would have done great. Orbit timer don't cost much. That's what I use.
@@farquadshmoogle9120 except others need access to that line of water, so that’s not really possible. I get it, trust me, but not available right now.
@@MrFergusonLawn Can you get some kind of splitter or manifold that would allow multiple users? Each outlet would have it's own on/off ball valve, so you could attach a timer(s) to one outlet and leave the other(s) for someone else to use.
Makes sense. I've got rye that loves to check out in summer here in indiana clay. That metal building probably really toasts things there in GA. Fescue, aeration and water probably is your ticket. Thanks for sharing!
I don’t think we got any rain in October here in NJ. I’m definitely struggling to keep up as well. Thankfully the temps have been low
Yup I’m in south jersey no real rain since mid Sept
It's just been a hard year for seeding. The hardest for me anyway.
Look into the DIY irrigation kits both Rainbird and Orbit have them, there are some TH-cam videos on their installation
Water... Water... Water... Church needs a sprinkler system. I also suspect your soil pH might still be too low. My soil pH dropped dramatically from the spring to fall. From what I've read, heavy rains can leach nutrients and make soil more acidic. We had heavy rains in central NC around end of July, and again late September... I have had to HEAVILY fertilize and lime (mag-i-cal + regular lime) to get my lawn to recover this fall. Watering has been a part-time job with this current drought...
Pretty close to you located in Raleigh, NC and yes we need rain! My tall fescue seed no coming in as well as I'd like! Love the channel , keep it up
I think it all comes down to consistency of watering south east Ohio is dry dry dry. Worst dry season I can remember
Its definitely going to be a ongoing battle without water as u well know..... but u got this brother it will all come together..... it definently looks like it's a water issue. In my opinion ......ur doing everything right and everything u can ..... id say whatever ur doing to ur mustache do to the lawn and ull have great success!!!! Lol
I’ve had this issue when I tried pregerminating, some areas came in others came up then died off even with watering and then crabgrass took its spot. don’t think I’ll ever pregerminate again not worth it in my opinion caused more headaches then anything
On my 2nd reseeding. 1st seeding i plugged, seeded and watered w no results on my second re seeding took it down to bare dirt going on about day 10 and not seeing any germination. A little frustrated with the lawn right now.
You sir, are not alone. It seems slower for me too. Very odd year for some reason.
Its not the seed its the water.if you cant keep the soil moist it definitely henders the germination. There's a good saying i like to use if it dries out it dies out. Im in Virginia and all of my spots i seeded have been germinating.
After watching your video from you FIL house, this property would be a great candidate for Kentucky 31. PRG is a gimmicky grass until it establishes. Big thing is it succumbs to pythium blight easily as well but needs a ton of water so 😅… looking forward to seeing how the fescue establishes.
Likely what happened then. Just wasn't the type to use here at all. Thanks for the insight!
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The patchy color of everything looks like a watering problem to me. I would assume that if you took a soil probe, like you get with soil test kits, and took a sample, core it would be bone dry all the way through the sample. The patchy color might mean disease, fungus but with the lack of rain, I doubt it.
Edit: Admittedly, most of this knowledge doesn't come from me, but my many, many hours of watching Pest and Lawn Ginja and his 5 steps to Lawn evaluation.
@MrFerguson. I think if you set up a gofundme for the church lawn, you could get a good sum. You once said in the vid that your weather over in NC is just 2-3 months of winter, that you could start planting as early as March for a Spring seeding, 50+ degrees outside. I think going with TF seed would be best, so should keep it that way. If you can get half your subscribers to donate $5, that's $20k. That's a lot of $ that could help out the church & it's lawn. Seed, sprinklers, hoses, timer, water pump, new AC(condenser/outside unit), etc. If you do, I'd donate. I think we all see what you trying to do & help, & we all support it.
Not a bad idea but its all good man. It's not that serious of an issue. There are so many other more important needs than a recreational lawn project water irrigation haha. We just need to work with getting the pump replaced in the well first of all. That would help tremendously to start with.
@@MrFergusonLawn I'm saying the gofundme $ would go to whatever church needs help. If you get $20k by just half your subscribers donating $5, that's $20k to help replace the pump & whatever the church needs. Whatever lil bit left could go towards the grass.
Are you going to try hydretain on the rye/fescue?
Mr. Ferguson, do you think it would help to apply some Ecologel Fourplay to the project lawn so it can hold moisture for longer? I did in that in some of the problem areas of my lawn this year, and those spots survived through a lot of drought with not much water input from me. When I manually aerated those spots for fall seeding, they were rock hard, and the Fourplay kept them going through the drought.
@@Job-e9c if I had some, yes I believe so
Rye is a cool season grass. Also, I hear crunching when you're walking. It's dry. You need water man. The other stuff you're throwing down is a waste of money.
Well that's why I stated it needs water lol. As far as the other stuff, we've proven its not a waste, but you do your lawn as you want friend. Take care!
Why not try some 5 star blend from local ag store. Just paid $115 for 50 lb here in Ky. Seems that with Jonathan Green you're just paying for name.
Can you partner with others to create a watering schedule so it doesn’t just fall on you.
@@richharris4134 not really. All the teachers teach during the week, and so it’s just me or no one honestly. It’s a smaller church. No full time landscapers or anything.
Water is the quick fix, but like someone else mentioned, a soil test is probably a good idea at this point.
You probably have a combination of rock hard soil, no moisture, and possibly a pH issue. I would run another aeration through it if you can or aeravation! Identify what weeds you have and possible spot spray those, a lot of work but I’m sure your expectations are higher.
I can’t remember, did you dethatch that lawn? When I saw your lawn today I thought of that groundskeeper rake to pull up some of the brown material. That may help reseed be applied directly to soil. Keep trying and thanks for sharing.
Thanks! No we didn't dethatch, we aerated it real well.
Bermuda ..put down sod ..
water it, fertilize, weed control, bio, and good to go. Way less work …looks good if you take care of it and last forever. I have Bermuda in front and tall fescue in back and fescue here in Oklahoma works me to death.
Don't be getting ahead of me now, lol. We are going to be discussing this more to come. We have previously, but obviously new viewers don't know. Your just slightly ahead of me Ray haha
looks to me that u need a layer of compost to amend that dry soil, seems like some hard dry clay soil where nothing grows in. Needs some good organics in it.
Water, Radiant heat from buildings ,sidewalks etc & foot traffic... Good Ole Kentucky 31 has been @ our church forever!!!....Its a lighter green until it ages but its pretty tough!!! And its CHEAP!
All I can tell you is that dirt looks rockhard. We all know you need temperature and water for seed to come up.
No true man. Ik your struggles, i struggled myself years a year ago. But it's not the mix. It's a combo of different things. I'm in SC which is below where you live and it's just as hot if not hotter here, yet i have Rye and KBG mix in my yard that flourishes right now. Though I'm not a fan a JG products myself, i can assure you, it's not the mix. It's the church soil more than likely and without constant irrigation, no grass can propser in crappy soil.... you literally said the church soil has rocks and what not.....i started my reno last year, but because i skipped NO steps (scarifying rocks out my soil, spread small layer of compost on top of existing soil, etc...) my rye and KBG is thriving even in South Carolina heat (same as NC). You need, decent soil, sun, and water.... any absence of sun and water combined with subpar soil is destined for issues no matter what seed or fert you put down.
Thanks man. Good to hear yours is going well! Only thing I'd throw back to you, is the fact the GCI Cool Blue last season did just fine. If anything, the soil has improved from then, so...I can't say I agree completely. It either has to be the rye grass roots are more shallow than the fescue, or literally water, which I personally think it's a combo of both. Either way, thank you for commenting and watching. It's fun (afterwards) to learn this stuff in person.
@MrFergusonLawn no prob mr. Ferg.... I've been watching your channel for awhile and I'll agree that rye roots are more shallow.... I've also noticed that because rye germinates faster than the other grasses, it'll become susceptible to disease and root eating insects earlier in the seeding than the other grasses.... during my seed watering process, the first signs of disease and regression in my yard always starts with the rye before the KBG and also since the leaf germinates & roots grow in rye the fastest, those are the first roots and leaves to get eaten if there's a grub or armyworm issue which we have alot of here in SC..... just another thing I've notices & dealt with before around fall here in SC so just sharing my experience from one lawn guy to another...
You should consider using a warm season grass. Maybe the Bermuda Pete sells….something to think about….thats what I would do…you can paint when it goes dormant….
We've already discussed previously that this is ultimately where this area is headed. However, once that is done, it's a done deal. We are just experimenting before that train arrives lol
if you water 4x a day this week, it will be looking great next weekend
@@chrisheiser9207 haha maybe. Except that’s impossible unless I took a weeks vacation!
I agree. No rain since the hurricane has left the grass unwilling to grow. I want to mow twice a week, but I don't have enough growth and I don't want to run my irrigation so much.
@@MrFergusonLawn We haven't had rain up in PA pretty much all summer and same temps as you. I feel the pain!
Water! you could have pulled a core or used your finger on video and narrowed down quickly.
Ummm. What do you expect if you are not watering the grass? The greener stuff is established rooted grass, so of course it looks better.
My biggest question would be did you conduct a soil test?
@@nealwhite1474 Great question, and we haven’t this season. My plan was to do this in Feb or March, being we’ve already done fertilizer. However, we may need to do it now to figure this out….if it’s not just rye grass issues.
@@MrFergusonLawn yeah, without one it's just an expensive guessing game.
Don't soil test until about 6-8wks after your last fertilizer application.
Unless you eliminate the common Bermuda it will be back. Remember your fertilizer feeds the Bermuda too, not just the cool season grass.
Stop using Air8. Waste of money.
You have to figure out the irrigation.
I think aerating a lawn regularly does more harm than good, especially when a lawn doesn't need it! Every time you overseed, you don't have to aerate if the soil is not compacted. As long as the grass seeds are in contact with the soil, there shouldn't be any problems of it germinating. Some people overwork their lawns by aerating it unnecessarily and applying various chemicals to the lawn that it doesn't need, to the point that its damaged.
@@slimdude2011 except this lawn has never been aerated. Ever. So it’s the definition of compaction. It was absolutely necessary. Besides that, as mentioned, no chemicals have been applied that were extra.
@@MrFergusonLawn If it's never been aerated then that's the issue. The lawn is stressed and it's going through a recovery process. It's going to take a few weeks before it gets back to normal. Core aerating is very aggressive and harsh on a lawn, and it will induce shock to the roots.
You havent put down any preemergent in the past 60 days have you?
Haha, no. I kinda wish I had though..then I'd know what the problem is.
@MrFergusonLawn 😆 sounds like it's just lack of water then 💧
Mr Fergy, I feel your pain man! That ryegrass will pop up quick and look very good.I have planted a lot of it for years but if you've got red clay in your soil and it drys out..those young roots will shrivel up and die pretty quickly. Sorry..I know you worked very hard on it.
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