Holy shit! You said you had a rogue guide and you were not lying... damn! Just as amazing as the RDruid guide! These are real class guides! Not those shallow 10/15 min vids with poor info and no thought process about the gameplay. Awesome! Now, this Perturb guy and his friend... damn...shit they pull off is just amazing! So disruptive! Reminded me of Reckfull (RIP) in the old days! I'm anxiously waiting for the assa guide!!! Tks, Torpid! Hope it comes out soon!
Assas guides almost done! Thank you for the kind words! I have some awesome friends who help me and the goal of the guides is to actually help people !! YOU ARE GOATED
There is so much information to take in in this guide, thank you for that! One thing I would have liked to see, maybe even in a future video, is more explanations on basic gameplay. Since this seemingly is a beginner guide, most of the later plays are way too much way too fast for me to understand. I've memorized the rotation in the beginning but I would also love to see some stuff on decision making, what to look out for before engaging, when to run away, how to sustain, etc. At the moment I would run in, press the buttons to play out the combo, and then either my opponent is dead, or at least nearly dead, or I probably die becaus I don't know how to continue. This might be enough to actually produce an entire video on it. I think it's kind of hard to figure out by myself, through trial and error.
Timestamps in guides are always amazing. People love timestamps The sap macro explanation with real-time video while explaining is helpful for explaining any aspect of the game Assassination guide later would be awesome, even to watch as a healer PoV to maybe learn new things Would love to see something like this for priests maybe sometime down the road 🤍👀
@@TorpidFam This is indeed the best and most comprehensive video I've found. As a new rogue player, understanding the nuance beyond just the burst sequence is where I had glaring gaps. One thing I'm curious about is the Sap macro that you showed to instantly Sap stealthies: Does that macro still operate as a normal Sap when you target a person normally? I ask because I see the /cleartarget and wonder if it will just de-select whoever you have targeted for Sap and target someone who might be within the same range.
This is the best wow guide I've ever watched. So many guides show talents and maybe a short gameplay clip without explaining the thought process behind actions. I can't wait to practice these techniques when I get home from work.
This is an amazing video Torpid. I love that you collaborated with top rogues, and had them teach. It really helps keep the video interesting. Now it is time for me to get ready for season 2. ~Kippy
Quality guide, love the breakdowns of the game footage. Perturb is on another level! Would love to see a quick video about defensive CDs and when to use and not use them.
Hi again, big thumbs up! 👍You are really good at making these guides. You should get paid for these. 👏After watching your second vid I was wondering whether you could make a "defensive" section in which you'd explain what to do when you are being trained by double melee or when you are the primary target of a caster or hunters. They always say that the name of the game is trading cooldowns, but it is really hard when you don't get to play 6-8 hours/day. Can you and your awesome friends help us with that too?
Thank you for the words of inspiration! A follow and enjoying the content really goes a long way but it’s awesome when someone takes the time to comment ❤️
@Torpid whats the reasoning for not using 2 Drakebreaker shiv? I see conquest dagger has crit not mastery just curious on that insight. Great guide tho, got first compliment on my rogue play today after watching this!!
Perturb said MH effects your damage so he runs it for more primary stat and dps (trusting his reasoning , he must have tested this out before) Thank you for the kind words!!! We really appreciate it!!
Nice guide but I don’t understand the gouge opener from stealth. Isn’t cheap shot better? Is it because DRs on the kidney shot? You could just shadowstrike into SD KS. Like this it looks like a waste of unused stealth ability. I am noob so I’m trying to understand
It’s def situational, cheapstop from stealth still works, as sometimes you’ll fight multiple guys and not have time for gouge , but gouge then dance allows you to get the kidney which is a one second longer stub, don’t hesitate to cheapshot often!!
curious why subterfuge over pray on the weak. I'm assuming it's for those danceless times when you just pop out but don't have a go?. It feels like in 1v1 scenarios that happen frequently when taking/holding bases. prey on the weak does more? also, the next tier set may very very much end up as meta for sub in pvp. It will depend on the 2 piece interaction with The Rotten. . . if the 2 piece procs rotten, then it'll be basically rbg mandatory. Basically you'd play the go just like he does here. but the shadowdance > cheap shot would auto proc a symbols giving you a 7 cp shadowstrike without hard casting symbols. letting you symbols > shadowstrike immediately after followed by an evis > cheap shot. giving you a lot of very heavy upfront burst. (if it interacts that way, and likely the reason secret technique isn't included 4 piece). i'm up in the air on the 4 piece though. 15% crit damage on evis where you'll only get maybe 1 solid evis in a go. outside that the extra 15% crit damage modifier on evis feels a bit lackluster.
@@queeffersthrlnd1620 10.1 is out in under a month. any 10.0.7 will be basically void in a couple weeks. this version is adequate enough until then. . .. so long as the skill tree link is updated
Can you tell me about the addons that he used for unitframes his raid, and unitframes opposite teams for cds and trinkets.. and also that minimap at the top. Thanks for the great video!
thoughts on this sap macro? it will get you into stealth or shadowdance in order to get a quick sap off if you arent already stealthed /cast [nostealth,nocombat] Stealth /cast [stance:0,combat] Shadow Dance /cleartarget /targetenemyplayer /cast Sap
There’s a lot of great macros ! I didn’t cover them all because typically so many people use so may different things. That seems GOOD, i’ll have to try it out and see what the difference is!
There’s so many situations , you could try to cc both healers then swap to tank with a gouge or any abilities to generate a combo point , then press dance whuch gives you 4 free points ad kidney / bomb while communicating that to your team! If he has no trnket and your team has large dam you could just cheapshot then re cheap shot twice , hard question , depends what you see ad who’s with you and who’s with them !
great guide my only gripe with this is having to be in front of your target for gouge id rather use a cheap shot so i can attack from any position with out a requirement but thats just me.
I mean most times you sap then can open w/ gouge and go behind, or fighting a melee they always are facing you , usually we’re aiming to be the ones who open from stealth even a vanish during the fight , and the problem is cheap shots one second shorter than kidney HOWEVER ya opening with cheap also can work just fine and if you’re cranking with that keep er up!!
@@hvdiv17 It’s not just the dance , when you gouge you get one combo point , then pressing shadow dance gives you 4, and you get the free kidney ! You just gotta do whatever you enjoy 😊
@@TorpidFam the cheap should is also 1 combo point from any position you gouge for the danse stack otherwise you would be doing 2 cheap shots and only have one dase stack vs 2 with gouge. its clearly for the danse stack.
@@hvdiv17 Cheap shots 4 seconds , Kidneys 5, and the extended version you kidney and then cheapshot at the end for max CC time (of course the 6% danse stack as well) but cheap shot + re cheapshot is a little weaker then kidney + cheap )
I’ll have a new update sub rogue guude for next patch with an updated one , but ideally you’re just doing the rotation that’s shown with the addon in the video - Secret tech + shadow strikes and evsersrates w/ kdney or cheap shot / healer CCed and you’re teammates damage !
Hey guys, would you recommend subtlety or assassination for pvp? I’m a beginner to the class and need something as easy to remember as possible. What would you suggest please? Thank you!
Working on an assass guide! Assass is really strong right now for arena and solo shuffle and good for some maps un rbgs ! Sub is good on every rbg map but tougher for soloshuffle and only good with some arena comps, so probably assass !
@@TorpidFam thanks man! When will your assassination guide be out please? You explain things so much better than any one else I’ve watched! I need that guide ASAP 😆
@@realrobprice It’s long over due , just trying to work with my friend who plays it at a high level, it’s half done but need some more details from em! stay tuned
prey on the weak is nerfed by 50% in pvp and 15% movement speed is way to good to give up. makes a huge difference in the long run, if youve ever had thoughts of "if i got to that base 1sec earlier" or i could have killed the fc but he was 1yd out of range of step. things like this
both strat talents give u 1 extra combo point to increase the dmg on secret technique so you focus on increasing the dmg on this rather than echo with hits for like 70k max
@@TorpidFam omg , he speaks my name! (*melt*)also, I know this video is only a month old, but the talent tree has already changed. I was able to adapt the open a little bit, but I still can't one shot :-(
@@donnienathan7821 that’s a good comm, I could update the links - the one shot usually creates enough pressure to force cds , then you look to one shot when they are below 75% or w/ your team mate - can’t always one shot someone just all the time
Holy shit! You said you had a rogue guide and you were not lying... damn! Just as amazing as the RDruid guide! These are real class guides! Not those shallow 10/15 min vids with poor info and no thought process about the gameplay. Awesome!
Now, this Perturb guy and his friend... damn...shit they pull off is just amazing! So disruptive! Reminded me of Reckfull (RIP) in the old days!
I'm anxiously waiting for the assa guide!!! Tks, Torpid! Hope it comes out soon!
Assas guides almost done! Thank you for the kind words! I have some awesome friends who help me and the goal of the guides is to actually help people !! YOU ARE GOATED
There is so much information to take in in this guide, thank you for that! One thing I would have liked to see, maybe even in a future video, is more explanations on basic gameplay. Since this seemingly is a beginner guide, most of the later plays are way too much way too fast for me to understand. I've memorized the rotation in the beginning but I would also love to see some stuff on decision making, what to look out for before engaging, when to run away, how to sustain, etc. At the moment I would run in, press the buttons to play out the combo, and then either my opponent is dead, or at least nearly dead, or I probably die becaus I don't know how to continue. This might be enough to actually produce an entire video on it. I think it's kind of hard to figure out by myself, through trial and error.
The best thing for that because there’s so many scenarios is to tune into streamers and ask while they are live !
Timestamps in guides are always amazing. People love timestamps
The sap macro explanation with real-time video while explaining is helpful for explaining any aspect of the game
Assassination guide later would be awesome, even to watch as a healer PoV to maybe learn new things
Would love to see something like this for priests maybe sometime down the road 🤍👀
Thank you for the kind words ❤️ Time stamps made awesome !! Priests eh??? OKAY
@@TorpidFam This is indeed the best and most comprehensive video I've found. As a new rogue player, understanding the nuance beyond just the burst sequence is where I had glaring gaps. One thing I'm curious about is the Sap macro that you showed to instantly Sap stealthies: Does that macro still operate as a normal Sap when you target a person normally? I ask because I see the /cleartarget and wonder if it will just de-select whoever you have targeted for Sap and target someone who might be within the same range.
This is the best wow guide I've ever watched. So many guides show talents and maybe a short gameplay clip without explaining the thought process behind actions. I can't wait to practice these techniques when I get home from work.
Thank you
Oldschool WoW Guides would do this, but the TH-cam meta changed. Legion was the last expansion with great guides at the level I enjoy them at
This is one of the best rogue guides I've seen since classic wow, thank you very much, great job!
Thank you! I will pass this along to perturb as well! wouldn’t of happened without him!
THE best guide for new rogues, PERIOD.
GOATED BROTHER
Great video! I’ve played RBGs with you a couple of times in the past and I always appreciate your positivity.
Thank
you, more rbgs coming
This is an amazing video Torpid. I love that you collaborated with top rogues, and had them teach. It really helps keep the video interesting. Now it is time for me to get ready for season 2. ~Kippy
Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️
only had to watch to 0:08 to know this video was a banger. great vid as always
LOOOL DUDE YOUR COMMENTS CRACK ME UP, THANK YOU GOAT
This is the best guide ever! Great work, u are awesome! :)
LOL AWWW THANK YOU ❤️ MORE COMING
The distract on the priest while he was trying to sprint ahead with the angelic feather, making him sprint backwards into a sap was pretty sweet.
hahha you never expect that LOL
what a quality guide, as always. much knowledge shared here folks, take notes! ty ty
Thank you scar
What a guide!!!! Please please consider making a WW Monk guide! haha but seriously thanks for taking the time to make this one. Very informative.
Thank you for taking the time to comment and let us know that!! WW HM LET ME SEE WHAT WE CAN DO
Perturb is an all around good dude, sometimes i just pop in his chat and talk about music and things. Super chill unlike most high rated rbg players.
Love to hear that, yeah he’s great ! That’s why he helped out,for you guys !
Loved this guide! The videos and play by play are so helpful. I hope an assassination guide comes soon!
you know what else is helpful?? These comments thank you ❤️
You’re the best , thank you for the kind words! 100 likes for the assass version !
An assassination guide would be amazing!
Waiting on assassination guide!!! Thanks for all your time and effort with this video! 👏👏👏
Thanks for putting this together been looking forward to this!
Thanks , you own man
That hold against 3 on LM is very HARD , esp 2 dhs and 1 rogue , respect for perturb , insane player
Yeah that was pretty wild, he stayed SO CALM!
LOVE LOVE LOVE these guides from the top players! You are doing something great here! love the Videos!
DID YOU SHOW HANK>?!?!
@@Nevertorpid of course hes my #1 video buddy
@@ThaRavy hahah YES !!!
Quality guide, love the breakdowns of the game footage. Perturb is on another level! Would love to see a quick video about defensive CDs and when to use and not use them.
thank you 🙏🏼
Job well done. Awesome collaboration. Length = depth. Especially in this case
/Grayz with the Rogues
#welovedragonflight
Peace
Another YT drop today !
Nice! Let's go
really awesome guide, watched several times already, thanks from a sub rogue noob!
Thank you! YOU ARE NOW TAKING THE BRACKET BY STORM!!
Excellent video. Good work man! Awesome 💪
thank you ❤️ the words go a long way !!
Great, in depth, well narrated.
Thank you so much!!!
You are great at making guides keep it up!!
Thank you so much!!! I’ll keep improving
Thanks for the guide! You followed through. Love it.
I’m here to help!! thank you for the kind words!!
The best guide of sub rogue thanks for make it to clear
Thank you briam
Great guide, loved the breakdown, really insightful!
Thank you so much
Great guide!
Thank you
Love to get an update on rogue burst and RBG duel capping techniques
updates soon!
Hi again, big thumbs up! 👍You are really good at making these guides. You should get paid for these. 👏After watching your second vid I was wondering whether you could make a "defensive" section in which you'd explain what to do when you are being trained by double melee or when you are the primary target of a caster or hunters. They always say that the name of the game is trading cooldowns, but it is really hard when you don't get to play 6-8 hours/day. Can you and your awesome friends help us with that too?
I’ve got a few things to do first but i’ll keep something like that in mind !!
@@TorpidFam Thank you! Have a great day! 😄
Beautiful guide, great idea getting it from the top players and condensing it down.
Can we have your weak auras, please?
I mean UI as I thought those action bars were WA :D
!plater in my twitch chat or go to my pvp addons video
i love you vidios really help i got from 800 rating in 2 v2 on rouge to 1600 becos this vid
Thank you for taking the time to let me know that, i’ll pass it forward to perturb as well! He’s a huge reason why we could do this! Love you!! ❤️
amazing guide thank you very much ! keep going i'ill follow on twitch !
Thank you for the words of inspiration! A follow and enjoying the content really goes a long way but it’s awesome when someone takes the time to comment ❤️
@Torpid whats the reasoning for not using 2 Drakebreaker shiv? I see conquest dagger has crit not mastery just curious on that insight. Great guide tho, got first compliment on my rogue play today after watching this!!
Perturb said MH effects your damage so he runs it for more primary stat and dps (trusting his reasoning , he must have tested this out before) Thank you for the kind words!!! We really appreciate it!!
1 hour video this is insane. NT fam is making history, stay tuned
WE WONT STOP PACK. MORE COMING. MORE COMING!!
Nice guide but I don’t understand the gouge opener from stealth. Isn’t cheap shot better? Is it because DRs on the kidney shot? You could just shadowstrike into SD KS. Like this it looks like a waste of unused stealth ability. I am noob so I’m trying to understand
It’s def situational, cheapstop from stealth still works, as sometimes you’ll fight multiple guys and not have time for gouge , but gouge then dance allows you to get the kidney which is a one second longer stub, don’t hesitate to cheapshot often!!
curious why subterfuge over pray on the weak. I'm assuming it's for those danceless times when you just pop out but don't have a go?. It feels like in 1v1 scenarios that happen frequently when taking/holding bases. prey on the weak does more?
also, the next tier set may very very much end up as meta for sub in pvp. It will depend on the 2 piece interaction with The Rotten. . . if the 2 piece procs rotten, then it'll be basically rbg mandatory.
Basically you'd play the go just like he does here. but the shadowdance > cheap shot would auto proc a symbols giving you a 7 cp shadowstrike without hard casting symbols. letting you symbols > shadowstrike immediately after followed by an evis > cheap shot. giving you a lot of very heavy upfront burst. (if it interacts that way, and likely the reason secret technique isn't included 4 piece).
i'm up in the air on the 4 piece though. 15% crit damage on evis where you'll only get maybe 1 solid evis in a go. outside that the extra 15% crit damage modifier on evis feels a bit lackluster.
Excited for 10.1! We’ll have a new video when that releases , some things have slightly changed since this video ! Awesome feedback and insight !
@@TorpidFam are you still making a new guide for 10.07?
@@queeffersthrlnd1620 YEAH LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET ONE OUT ASAP
@@queeffersthrlnd1620 10.1 is out in under a month. any 10.0.7 will be basically void in a couple weeks. this version is adequate enough until then. . .. so long as the skill tree link is updated
Very useful video!
thank you!!
This video is just perfect
thank you 🙏🏼
Can you tell me about the addons that he used for unitframes his raid, and unitframes opposite teams for cds and trinkets.. and also that minimap at the top. Thanks for the great video!
Minimap is called reporter !! nameplate cooldowns for enemy cds
GOOD STUFF!!!
thank you!
thoughts on this sap macro? it will get you into stealth or shadowdance in order to get a quick sap off if you arent already stealthed
/cast [nostealth,nocombat] Stealth
/cast [stance:0,combat] Shadow Dance
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap
There’s a lot of great macros ! I didn’t cover them all because typically so many people use so may different things. That seems GOOD, i’ll have to try it out and see what the difference is!
Nice!
THANKS GREG
Thank u more sub rogue videos please❤
WE will keep
you updated as large changes happen!
Waiting on assa rogue guide now! ❤
YUPPP WORKN ON IT , trying something a little different!!
Is this still the sub rogue build for rbg in 10.0.5/.7? And do you take full mastery or 4 piece tier set?
New sub rogue guides coming for 10.07 ! You can def still use that build , i do ! but there’s some small changes we’ll cover !
Any update on the assa rogue guide?
Got a new mcrophone, re recording all my video progress to better quality !
@@TorpidFam appreciate the update. Looking forward to the vid!
How would the opener look if you cant gouge? For example if you need to open on a tank hugging 2 healers in a flag carry map as attackers?
There’s so many situations , you could try to cc both healers then swap to tank with a gouge or any abilities to generate a combo point , then press dance whuch gives you 4 free points ad kidney / bomb while communicating that to your team! If he has no trnket and your team has large dam you could just cheapshot then re cheap shot twice , hard question , depends what you see ad who’s with you and who’s with them !
Great video, but I feel like I just walked out of a Tony Robbins motivation seminar.
LOOOL LETS GOO
can you link the new builds for both listed? they no longer import. when importing it says load out of date.
updated the rogue sub build! gave to ask perturb for the base sitting !
lets goooo
great guide my only gripe with this is having to be in front of your target for gouge id rather use a cheap shot so i can attack from any position with out a requirement but thats just me.
I mean most times you sap then can open w/ gouge and go behind, or fighting a melee they always are facing you , usually we’re aiming to be the ones who open from stealth even a vanish during the fight , and the problem is cheap shots one second shorter than kidney HOWEVER ya opening with cheap also can work just fine and if you’re cranking with that keep er up!!
@@TorpidFam i know i know and i know gouge is for the danse stack but still its a forced position requirement ill just have to practice it more.
@@hvdiv17 It’s not just the dance , when you gouge you get one combo point , then pressing shadow dance gives you 4, and you get the free kidney ! You just gotta do whatever you enjoy 😊
@@TorpidFam the cheap should is also 1 combo point from any position you gouge for the danse stack otherwise you would be doing 2 cheap shots and only have one dase stack vs 2 with gouge.
its clearly for the danse stack.
@@hvdiv17 Cheap shots 4 seconds , Kidneys 5, and the extended version you kidney and then cheapshot at the end for max CC time (of course the 6% danse stack as well) but cheap shot + re cheapshot is a little weaker then kidney + cheap )
Can you write down the Arena burst Rotation in Order pls
I’ll have a new update sub rogue guude for next patch with an updated one , but ideally you’re just doing the rotation that’s shown with the addon in the video - Secret tech + shadow strikes and evsersrates w/ kdney or cheap shot / healer CCed and you’re teammates damage !
Hi ! What happened with your guides I love it
Released one today, getting back to them, thanks for the support! Throw some love on the rsham guide, more coming promise
Gracias por la informacion
Thank you for the support
Over 200 need assas guide
It’s coming !!! ;)
@@TorpidFam tyvm appreciate ya
I have an older version of his build where he was using gloomblade, why the switch? it's performing well for me
I’ll send this to him and he will answer and let you know!
@@TorpidFam thanks, I talked with him on twitch about it, his new build does seem to be a bit better after all both are great though!
Hey guys, would you recommend subtlety or assassination for pvp? I’m a beginner to the class and need something as easy to remember as possible. What would you suggest please? Thank you!
Working on an assass guide! Assass is really strong right now for arena and solo shuffle and good for some
maps un rbgs ! Sub is good on every rbg map but tougher for soloshuffle and only good with some arena comps, so probably assass !
@@TorpidFam thanks man! When will your assassination guide be out please? You explain things so much better than any one else I’ve watched! I need that guide ASAP 😆
@@realrobprice It’s long over due , just trying to work with my friend who plays it at a high level, it’s half done but need some more details from em! stay tuned
@@TorpidFam hoping when it comes out it is still relevant with the nerfs
Don't play rogue, but good guide and approach to teaching
HAHA ROGUES ARE BUSTED THATS FOR SURE
pumpcover comin for your base
KURZIEEE THE GOATTT - LOOK OUT LOL
All your base are belong to us.
How is survival hunter in RBGs?
It’s not the best, some maps it shines more than others though for sure! Anything played right can work though at most mmr !
Curious as to what addons are being used here, thx!
I have an addon video that should cover most , anything you see missing let me know !
what is the name of the addon that shows the rollback of the opponent's skills so well over the frame? and to the right of frem, his time is our skill
Can you tell me what time of the video you see it? During when the rogues attacking ?
@@TorpidFam 46.17
@@МитяйШапкин-ч6к Nameplate cooldowns is the enemy cds over THE ENEMY NAMEPLATE.
Whats the addon perturb has that when he does kidney he can see the seconds left for the kidney by the name of the enemy
Perturb said he believes it’s big debuffs
Is this still upto date?
Somethings can be helpful, but a tad out of date for sure
Just curious, why Fleet Footed over Prey on the Weak?
Let me ask perturb !
prey on the weak is nerfed by 50% in pvp and 15% movement speed is way to good to give up. makes a huge difference in the long run, if youve ever had thoughts of "if i got to that base 1sec earlier" or i could have killed the fc but he was 1yd out of range of step. things like this
@@dtt5624 THANKS (that’s perturb)
What addon show the ability on the nameplates ? 😍
check my addon video!!
Pls make Duel viedeos how you counter every class
That would be quite the TASK , that’s ALOT of scenarios and depends what they do ect
@@TorpidFam lets Go thats very nice content
can nay explain to me why Stratagem vs EchoR is betteR?
both strat talents give u 1 extra combo point to increase the dmg on secret technique
so you focus on increasing the dmg on this rather than echo with hits for like 70k max
That’s perturbs (rogue from video) YT account response btw !
Panda rogue?
Was panda from shadowlands ! Def go night elf LOL
pput that 100 like on theere lets get ti!
HAHA NO SHOT LUCKY 100? ASSASSSSSINATION GUIDE INC?!?!
@@TorpidFam stoked for it this one was so good! This guy is insane with the 1v3s
dang! i'll watch all this dudes videos JUST because hes hot lol
THE DON
@@TorpidFam omg , he speaks my name! (*melt*)also, I know this video is only a month old, but the talent tree has already changed. I was able to adapt the open a little bit, but I still can't one shot :-(
@@donnienathan7821 that’s a good comm, I could update the links - the one shot usually creates enough pressure to force cds , then you look to one shot when they are below 75% or w/ your team mate - can’t always one shot someone just all the time
Huuuuuuge
nice video man, huge explanations, talents, how to play
Thank you ❤️ Trying my best to make great content for you guys !!