There are a few misinterpretations about this video, so I would like to reiterate my thoughts. This video goes over the reasons why you should "avoid" using HDMI, whenever possible. However, if HDMI is the only connection that you have on your machine then yes please try that out first, calibrate and see if it would pass the validation, if it does then you are ok. If not then you may have to look another alternative ports or adapter. There's no place in this video where I said "never" use HDMI, but rather just to avoid it when possible. I hope this clear things up a bit! :)
Thank you ArtIsRight! I am not a content creator, but a software developer, I can confirming everything you have just described in this video, seems when I have DisplayPort to HDMI converted, video information is lost, black-color isn't black enough, white-color isn't paper-white, yet while connecting to a USB-C Alternate Mode the color spectrum seems been as good as my eyes can see from the same system. I have two premium laptop setups with one 4K monitor, DELL for work related and the other GigaByte for play, both equipped with OWC Thunderbolt 3 docking station, when connecting one to DP and other to HDMI of the same monitor the color mismatch is driving me nuts visually! I wonder why newer 4k monitors do not have multiple input DisplayPorts rather than (1xDisplayPort + 2xHDMI), makes system sharing quite annoying. I guess I will have to look into KMV DisplayPort switches so I don't have color space issues.
@@ArtIsRight You are right again, USB-C is now widely available as a DisplayPort (Alt Mode) for monitors now.. strange i didn't realize that until you mentioned it! I have recently bought another monitor, it has USB-C + DisplayPort + HDMI, which actually worked out better for my hybrid work from home configuration with two laptops. while USB-C monitor input is connected to a host, I can still expand as a USB-hub through the monitor, one less docking station, personally I still like docking stations. :)
One a laptop with integrated there not much that you can do with discrete GPU some Nvidia with studio driver support 10 bit output but it would depend on how the circuit is designed and whether there is a MUX chip or not, if there is then it is possible, if not then the discrete GPU is used in conjunction with the integrated GPU and there's again not much that can be done.
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Wow, many thanks for sharing such valuable information. I've just bought a PD3200U and... yes, I'm writing this text with a HDMI cable that I'm right now going to replace by a USB one...
Hello, I have a new SW240 and a MacBook air M1 with only USB-C ports, so I have connected the display directly with a DP to USB-C cable. Will this be better than using an HDMI cable connected to a hub? Thank you for your videos and explanations.
I think this situation could have occurred several years ago. Right now, with several generations of the HDMI standard, the original video signal will no longer be clipped over HDMI. And if you have an expensive HDMI cable, you'll get very accurate colors on an HW-calibrated display over HDMI. Modern HDMI standard has very wide bandwidth and described problem is not actual any more.
Sure, but I still know some laptop that have issues with HDMI. So dismissing the issue does not help either. And as one should always do, test it out first. Of note the cable just have to meet the spec, they don't have to be expensive to get accurate color, it is really all just 1 and 0.
That was great information. Thank you. Getting ready to purchase my first Benq SW240 monitor, and I would have NEVER known about what you had said had you not said it. Thank you again!
thank you for this video... I've always used DisplayPort out of my cal digit dock- somewhere along the way it was instilled in me to never use HDMI but never could explain why. Wondering about the HDMI out on latest M1 MacBooks and Mac studio? I know apple is big on color so I'm a bit perplexed by the HDMI 2.0 on those machines
Great video. Few questions if I may. I’m using this monitor with the Mac Mini M1 with HDMI port and I have no functionality with the extra USB / headphone ports or SD Card reader. Can you tell me what I’m doing wrong?
You need to use the USB uplink cable in addition to the HDMI or if you are using some type of USB C adapter. If you use USB C to USB C you can forego this.
Hi, I am using benq pd2700q. I am not seeing 10 bit color option in display settings when connected via HDMI cable... I used then display port to mini dp cable with and adapter still don't see that option... do I need to buy usb c to display port cable for enabling 10 bit. Please help.
Are you on Mac or PC, if you are on PC and have Nvidia card you have to use Studio Driver, otherwise no 10 bit, For AMD it is video card dependent and for intel integrated GPU it is a no go for 10 bit.
Great video thank you for your information.. Btw I have macbook pro 14 inch 2021 can i use HDMI connection from that macbook to connect to HDMI on external monitor benq sw2700PT in order to get successful validation using palette master? Thank you
Yes you will need the use the USB uplink cable as well. Also you need to use PME 1.3.15 and not 1.3.16 you can find the download link in the desc of this video th-cam.com/video/wV_FGFrovDA/w-d-xo.html
Does the USB type c for the monitor need to be into the video card or motherboard? I only have one on the back of my PC and its is not on the video card!
For PC desktop, it would have to be on the video card. PC desktop especially custom build ones and one with a operate video card, there's no video signal route back to the main board, no on board MUX so it would have to be the video card.
Hello, Art. What about if i use a Benq2700pt with a Desktop PC instead of a Laptop. I only have a couple HDMI ports. I also use a Gaomon tablet as a duplicate screen to edit in Photoshop. I just got the xrite i1 pro and check your videos for best settings for calibration. But cable is something i haven´ thought about it. Any suggestions for those as me which have desktop pc onlye wiht hdmi ports?
With HDMI, I would try it first with the SW2700PT especially if you don't have other ports, if it works then great! If not then we'll figure out another port. If you have the "option or choice" to avoid it yet but otherwise try it out first, it may or may not work, it is computer dependent but give it a go.
I'm a new subscriber and I must say, you do fantastic videos and very detailed research! Based on your videos I've just ordered dual SW321C monitors to be ran from both my PC as well as an M1 Mac Mini I should be receiving next week. As you know (per your video) to get 4k 60hz, I'll be connecting via native HDMI on display 1, and the Amazon USB-C to HDMI you recommended in your video for display 2. However, I now stumble across this video and it seems I'm going to have problems completing a hardware calibration these $2000 monitors? Am I understanding this correct? Any work arounds or other recommendations? Per your other video, it does not appear I have any other connection options to stay at 60hz. Thoughts?
Well at this point you are going to have issues calibrating any displays regardless th-cam.com/video/KXIKRLLVCw4/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/NVi0YdAB2M0/w-d-xo.html nothing works well with it yet. It is all a waiting game at this point. When the software are compatible, I will have to test HDMI on these new Mac, the simple answer right now is that I don't know will they truncate the signal or not. I know that this was done on the 13" MacBook Pro that has the HDMI build in, but it works fine on the 15" MacBook Pro, so it is hard to say. Patience is the name of the game right now and not much else
Thanks for the quick response. If I understand your video correctly, my display could suffer from a restricted color range due to the HDMI technology at ALL times. The calibration is less of a concern for me since I run two machines and calibrate with my PC. My concern is having this incomplete color range during editing and prior to printing. Do I understand you correctly? Also, to maintain the 4K at 60hz the previously mentioned connections are my only option, correct?
Yes to get 4K60 as of now what you mentioned before. If you don't need calibration then it does not matter if the range get truncated, this really only effect hardware calibrated display when doing a true hardware calibration. Again without an update native software I can't test that yet, so we are at a stall here. Everything is waiting game right now, but if you are not going to calibrate I won't worry about it, these are not visual differences that are visually noticeable
@@ronmcgowan try to go to your graphics card control panel and change the output range to full range, regardless of HDMI or dp, pc sets limited range as defult, not the bandwidth issue of HDMI
I’m considering getting the den Q321C Display. I’m a Mac user and I would be using it both with a MacBook Pro which has USB-C connections and my older MacPro desktop which is display port. Will I be able to plug both of them into the display at the same time and switch views back-and-forth between the two inputs?
I'm confused - if I try to use Palette Master Element it won't even start as it says the monitor *must* be connected to the PC by USB. Specifically the error says ' Make sure your BenQ display USB cable is connected to your computer. Then proceed with the set up.' I'm using an HDMI cable which this video suggests could work but as I say the program won't even run. Am I being particularly dim today?
Try powering off the display, pull the plug and leave it out for 30 sec, plug it back in a try again. See if you are still getting the error. Otherwise, I would try another port on your computer.
Since I switched from a desktop to my Dell XPS with Iris graphics, I can't get an accurate print. I've calibrated the ASUS 24 monitor many times, with an old X-Rite profile device, but the resulting print is now a little washed out and with a purple cast. The calibration does pass the validation, but I was wondering if I should buy an adapter and try going back to using the DVI cable and port which I previously used with the desktop. Would appreciate your thoughts.
You can try that and see, but from what you are describing, it would seem that the print may have a profile or ink issue more than the display at this point.
you can always select 0-255output on your graphics card control panel using pc, and this should be done by anyone regardless of using hdmi or dp, as the defult is set to limited range
Technically if you can use USB C, just do that, they are using the same Tech. All USB C technically carry what is a called a Display Port Overlay to pass through the display signal
Hey, thanks for the explanation! I have some questions: 1. when you talk about HDMI, do you mean any kind of HDMI standard? because I am thinking if the HDMI port and cable support enough data (HDMI 2.0 for example), will they still though the color information while having the audio data? 2. Is there any way to limit only video data through HDMI? it seems like if the cable don't throw the color information, it will be fine. 3. I am thinking about the mac mini, and maybe a old sw model (without USB c port), do you think I can use the HDMI port out? otherwise it will be a little bit waste of the port...
1. They should do both, I am speaking of HDMI in general. And this is one where you have to do lots of testing. 2. Unless your video driver than control this, I am not sure. 3.I have not tested that, but for all my Mac mini clients, I have them buy a cable like this www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075V27G2R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 bypass HDMI all together.
I would test out HDMI first, if it works you are good. If you have a hardware calibrated display HDMI might pose an issue, if you just have a software calibrated display you should be ok. HDMI can typically be adapted to other ports type but USB C is not one of them. I would consider adapting connector type as a last resource.
My New pd2700u 4k only lets me display as 1920 X 1080 or lower when connected to my 2013 iMac any help please? I'm using a hdmi to thunderbolt 2 adapter. Thanks
Hi ArtisRight, Does HDMI support the 10-bit color of the SW2700PT? Is a 2.0 HDMI cable that claims to be backward capable (the monitor is 1.4) OK? Also, I've read in a review that the monitor's backlight is white LED. Somewhere else I learned it is an RGB LED selection I should make on the X-Rite i1Pro Display colorimeter. RGB LED is what I should select? And BenQ has recommended that I choose the older 1.3.10 Pallete Master software, rather than 1.3.11. Do you concur, and why? Thanks so much for this video and the others, and especially for your replies.
10 bit color is officially supported since HDMI 1.3 carrying 10 bit signal is not the issue. The video card used along with the driver is the bottle neck. So if you use a Mac you are good, if you use a PC, YMMV.
Thanks for the heads-up, you've got some amazing content. I'm planning to buy the BenQ PD2705Q in the next few days. Im a professional photographer. I saw you mentioned about using a C type cable instead of a HDMI. Well, i just want to make sure there's an option to connect my CPU to the monitor with a C type cable. If not, what's the alternative? Also, is PD2705Q a true LED IPS display and is it factory calibrated?
Hi Art, I just bought the BenQ SW2700PT 27 Inch QHD. I have a Dell XPS 13 laptop, which has 3 x USBc ports, so I have to use an external converter for HDMI or USB. I can either use HDMI - HDMI cable or the SS cable that came with the monitor which connects to USB - which one should I use. Or should I get a USBc to HDMI cable? Suggestions please - I'm confused! I probably should have bought the USBc version, but budget did not allow.
Hi so what I would do in your situation is try HDMI first and sees if it gives you any issues. If it does then I can suggest other ports and cable and if it does not then you can just stick with it.
Hi Art, I'm confused! I have a Mac mini M1 and a BenQ SW240 I calibrate with a colorchecker display pro using Pallete Master. What is the best port/cable for colour calibration/colour accuracy, USB C OR USB A/B ? Thanking you kindly for your help.
USB C to Display Port. But what I would do in your situation is test HDMI first, if it calibrate and pass validation, you are good. Forget all of this and have fun with great colors!
Very informative helpful video. Thank you. Question: Does the DisplayPort truncate down the signal? You said the USB-C does not but said nothing about the DisplayPort. I'm concerned now that I'm not getting all I can get out of my BenQ PD2700U (10-bit, 100% sRGB, 100% Rec. 709) because it only has DisplayPort 1.4.
DP does not do this nor does USB C because when you use USB C for display signal it runs a DP signal overlay. On the PD this does not matter, I did emphasize this enough in the video that this issue only effects hardware calibrated display such as the BenQ SW.
I have no problem passing the validation with hdmi, but after watching your video I tried to go with usb c. I kept getting a message from the display that said no cable was attached. I used the cable that came with the monitor and attached it to my MBP.
Depending on the model that you have, the display does not automatically detect input source. So you can press any button on the display when see that message and the choose the corresponding input source and that should get you going.
I Have two 4k Monitors Benq PD2700U, which is connected via two display ports for each monitor and running at 60Htz. The reason I didn't haven't use the Daisy chain because it only supports one monitor at 60htz. Is it Advisable to use two monitors separately connected using DP?
I am on a 2015 Macbook Pro without USB-C. I have connected the SW321C via HDMI. Now I want to calibrate with SpyderX and Palette Master Element. > ERROR: A connection to a BenQ Display cannot be established. Please make sure that the USB cable is connected and that the FTDI drivers are working. Any help here please? I can connect it via USB...
Hi Art! Is the HDMI cable only problematic during the calibration process itself? Is it possible to use a diplay port for the calibration, and then afterwards switch to HDMI? Does the HDMI cable have any other drawbacks during normal use (after calibration), as opposed to a displayport / USB-C? The reason i want to do this is because i have 2 monitors, but only 1 displayport slot in my computer. I want my other monitor (which is a 144hz monitor) to use the displayport cable. Hope you understand the question. Let me know if i need to clarify anything.
@Artyom Andreev, HDMI can be problematic during the calibration and also in general use. If your computer is outputting 16-235 compress range then you are throwing all of the shadow and highlight details away in general use. Again, keep in mind that this does not happen to every computer. It happens to some. If you are aware that this happening to you this may be the reason why your calibration is failing the validation process. Another thing to consider as well is the program that you are using to do calibration. If the validation process checks a lot of the white, gray, and black tones like Palette Master Element then the validation will definitely fail if the HDMI is outputting compress range. If you use another program to do a software calibration such as the i1profiler then you may not notice that this is an issue because i1profiler does not validate gray tones during display QA. To answer your second question if you are using display port for calibration you want to stick with using the display port for your displays ago as well. Switching the calibration cables will also switch to signal output from the video card. This means that you are not going to get the same signal out when you switch the ports on your video card. Remember this that calibration is very specific to a displaying, the computer, the video card, and also the output ports that you're using during calibration. If your computer and display is capable of using display port or USB type C you're probably better using these two formats that HDMI. Based on my understanding HDMI can do 144 Hz without any issue. So you may want to consider that. In addition is probably better to use display port cable for color critical display work. If you have any follow-up questions please let me know.Based on my understanding HDMI can do 144 Hz without any issue. So you may want to consider that. In addition is probably better to use display port cable for color critical display work. If you have any follow-up questions please let me know.
Dear Sir, I have benq sw240. My pc has USB-C port.But when I connected USB-C to display port of monitor, there is no display. I changed DP 1.2 to 1.1 by hdmi cable connection,but it did not work.I think my usb- c port is not disp alt mode supported. Now I think I need graphics card. Benq has provided mDP to DP cable.please suggest me specification for graphics Card with ,what type of port required for compatibility with sw240. Please note I use Lightroom cc
One question about my new PD3200U - Can I also set 30Hz instead of 60 Hz? I have at the moment unfortunately only a MBPro late 2013. model A1398. Does the monitor need too much power? All programs run delayed, Affinity Designer, FIGMA requires a total of up to 6GB memory (mac activity display) Then almost nothing works :-(
Yes th-cam.com/video/-epAJtrPmLE/w-d-xo.html That is a 4K display and it does need a lot of GPU power. The GPU inside MBP 2013 will drive 4K but not at the speed that you want.
I recommend Display Port or HDMI. There no Display Port overlay on USB C on most Desktop PC so it will probably not work. If you have a laptop you have to double check and make sure that it has display port overlay.
Ouch, this is a rough one. ArtIsWrong here, depending on what you're doing. 1st there are a lot of assumptions being made here about what color critical work we're doing. In the video world, when doing color critical work such as color grading... and using a professional video output device like BM Decklink series cards, AJA or Bluefish or Avid Artist cards to output a professional video signal to an external video monitor... HDMI is a great choice. HDMI supports up to 8k/60 and 10bit HDR. Displayport is not a professional video connection, it's a graphics card to monitor connection, so if you're working in pro video, this is a somewhat misleading video. If you're a consumer / prosumer and you're trying to feed a consumer computer monitor via HDMI from a graphics card, then you might run into some trouble and be in the zone that this video is addressing. It's not a shortcoming of HDMI, it's a problem with folks trying to use workarounds that aren't necessarily designed to do what they're trying to do.
And my point is that some computer truncate signal and that "pro" should test. That is all that I am saying. Too many people hear what they want to hear even though I was clear in my resolve. Also you seem advanced, which is great, however, many don't have the knowledge that you do, so the advice is appropriate consider my audience, thanks for chiming in.
Hello Art! I have a question. If I am using Blackmagic Design UltraStudio Monitor 3G in between, would it be ok? Because Blackmagic has only HDMI output to my Benq 312C. And yes I am using my bend for critical color work. Thanks!
Yes, workflow here is to calibrate your BenQ using PME with the settings that you want to use without the Studio monitor, once you have that done, then plug the studio monitor in between and you'll be ok.
What about nvidiabgraphics cards... Should you have a dedicated video io feed or can you accurately feed your display from gpu if your grading in software like resolve?
You can technically just do it directly from the card. I know that resolved make a clean HDMI out device, but non the less you should still do that on a hardware calibrated display this way the calibration data remains on the displays and not the computer. In my research, I think that if you have a specific need for such a device yes use it, otherwise I would just use the signal out directly form the video card.
But the Decklink only has HDMI and SDI, you really cant use 10bit HDMI with decklink to the Benq monitor? With Decklink it's suppose to be color accurate from Resolve. Are you saying it's never color accurate via hdmi? Can't be, what's the point of the Decklink then?
I'm not taking about Decklink, I am talking about computer output from GPU, totally 2 different unrelated things. For those device, calibrate your BenQ SW to REC 709 with your preferred gamma first and then hook up the decklink after. And if you don't have a hardware calibrated display, it does not really matter much.
Hi! I am buying a SW240 to edit photos with my 2010 MacBookPro. Which cable/port should I use both in the monitor and the computer? Other question: what’s the difference between the C or PT versions of this SW240? Thanks for your help!
All of the cable that you need to use with your 2010 MBP is in the box with the SW240, so Mini DP to DP for video signal and USB Type A to USB Type B unlike. PT, first gen SW27000PT only one with that model name, PT Convention is no longer use. C stands for USB C with 60 Watts Power Delivery in the SW line up.
@ArtIsRight I have a benq SW321C monitor and a laptop (with windows) without usb-C . How do i connect my benq to my laptop? Thanks. Bye. Martino(Italy)
@@ArtIsRight I found out that my laptop is only a full HDand not a 4k. So I will build a new computer(with windows operating system). I can build the computer with as many ports as I want.What is the perfect port to connect the Benq Sw321C to the computer?
Hi, I was trying 2 cables connected to display port , one display-display and other display- HDMI, and with second cable Display/HDMI I haw much better delta , on my 27C monitor , which should I use.? Thank you.
Are you on a Mac, PC, video card, etc? Also assuming the calibrations are the same. If one happened before the other as you are turning the display on, there might be some variation there. Either way if you have the option to use those cable and one is giving you a better ∆E then use that. With HDMI, it would depend on the machine and driver and testing must be done. You're seems to be good so you have options.
I recommend Display Port or HDMI. There no Display Port overlay on USB C on most Desktop PC so it will probably not work. If you have a laptop you have to double check and make sure that it has display port overlay.
I said nothing about Decklink, if you have that, use it, you'll be fine. This video is for hardware calibration only i.e. very specific group of high end displays, so many people missed that fact and I said that in the video ;)
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for replay but sadly my laptop is too old. I tryed go on hdmi cable and got horizontal red, blue, green thin lines randomly appearing on screen.
the gpu automatically compress color when there isn't enought bandwith (for example 4k 120hz at 4:2:0 on hdmi 2.0). Otherwise just change the settings on the gpu control panel to 4:4:4 0-255
Im using Benq PD2700U and quite confused with the color modes. Which color mode do you recommend for photo editing that will be displayed mostly digitally on web or other media?
Hi, your videos are very instructive. I just bought BenQ SW271C for photo and video editing. And I want to get the most out of it, without making mistakes. I have some questions about connecting and calibrating. I appreciate if you can help me. My laptop is Asus VivoBook 15, model X512FJ-EJ529T. I use Windows 10. At first, I used the HDMI cable to connect the monitor and the laptop. The monitor reproduced the images from the laptop. But watching this video I learned that it is not suitable to use an HDMI cable, especially when calibrating, as HDMI can limit the color gamut. I then tried, with the monitor and laptop plugged in, to use the USB3.1 Gen 2 (USB-C) cable supplied with the monitor, but it didn't reproduce the images from the laptop. The message "no signal detected" appears. I tried using the other USB cable, but it didn't connect either. My laptop has a USB-C cable input. Why this problem may be occurring How to make the correct connection without using HDMI so as not to interfere with the color quality?
HDMI can limit the output on some machines but not all, testing is necessary. USB C is better make sure that you laptop can output signal over USB C and do this th-cam.com/video/u7XD7s5xs1k/w-d-xo.html
I have a sw271 .. When I check which bit depth it is, I'm seeing only 8 bit and it should be 10 bit. I'm using the display port cable that came with the monitor, is 10 bit only attainable when using hdmi?
Fully aware of this, but this covers some Mac as well and it is generic video. Also aware that issues I not bandwidth, never said that it was, more so the fact and background as to why bandwidth might be limited.
Excellent video, but for example, why DaVinci resolve recommend use their external video card in order to have a clean signal and conectado the display trough HDMI? Could you explain to me this?!
@Camilo Gutierrez, thank you. DaVinci, external video card device is another story. Those are devices designed by black magic and for those device, based on my understanding, since you can't really calibrate them, at least not in the traditional way that I have shown on my channels, you can use HDMI with it and it will be ok. When you use those devices with DaVinci, the signal from those device is coming out of the Resolve rather than the system video card.
Hi, I just bought an SW2700PT (couldn't afford higher) and connected it with an old HDMI cable I had. (I have a new 'high speed' HDMI cable too) I calibrated it with my friend's ColorMunki (older model) and X-Rite software. It looks pretty good to me... ? Will it be better to use one of the OEM cables that came with the monitor?
My laptop only has USB 3.0 A type and HDMI 1.0 ports, i do photo and video editing works, so what should i do to get the colour accuracy in the monitor with these above options? Any converter will work or anything you wanna suggest?, please reply. 🙂
Hello there, What am i sacrificing by not using DP for pc? is it related to dark areas in games that makes thing look less detailed? My 144hz monitor only supports 1.2 dp and my gpu outputs 1.4gp so buying 1.2 cable is enough?
1.2 vs 1.4 just has to do with bandwidths that the cable can carry, higher resolution, HDR etc. This video is meant as a PSA for Hardware calibrated display doing color critical work. If you don't have a hardware calibrated display and do color critical work then this cable choice does not matter. I mentioned this in the video but it was not emphasized enough and can easily get glossed over.
Hello there, thank you for great video !! Can I ask you .... how should I connect my laptop (dell inspiron 15 7000) with BenQ PD2700Q .... I got that there will be the display port on BenQ but with what should I connect to the laptop ? Is it better to use some reduction like ... HDMI to DisplayPort or this doesn´t matter ? :/ Thank you and have a great day !
This is one of those situation where it is probably better for you to stick with HDMI considering all of the ports are there on the laptop already. Converting HDMI into something else can still cause problem because you are still using the HDMI base signal. The other option that you have on your machine is to use the Thunderbolt port which is implemented on a USB Type C connection. Get a USB C to Display port something like this www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V5MMCH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 You have to remember too that your BenQ PD is a software calibrated display and it is less sensitive to HDMI signal truncate issues that I mentioned in the video.
ArtIsRight I have started contemplating buying a proper monitor and my only machine is a macbook pro. Thank you for the information. This has been very useful!
I'm planning to get the BenQ PD2700U or BenQ PD2700Q and my laptop has these connectivity options: HDMI, Usb type C, USB 3.0 So, i can get a TYPE C adapter for the Monitor or, there is a type C cable build in the monitor?
I don't think that either one of those have USB Type C and if you are not running a hardware calibrated display HDMI won't really matter much, so for your setup if HDMI is easier then use that. If you want the better signal use USB C to Display Port and that should do wonders. Here's a link to one www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V5MMCH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 If I were in your position what I would do is just try the HDMI out and see how that works with calibration and etc. If it works then continue to use it.
Here are a few, some hardware calibrated one too. If you don't mind getting a refurbished you can get some great deals. I would look at either the SW - Hardware Calibrated Line or the PD - Software Calibration Pro Design line. The SW2700PT is an especially great value.
Hello ArtlsRight, I have a question... I have the Benq SW270c and I have this monitor connected to my PC with display port 1.2. However, I have noticed in the specification of the monitor that It's Displayport 1.4; On the monitor menu (System) there is a feature that says DP and It has 2 options (1.1 and 1.4). My question is, what are the cons of using a Display port 1.2 with this monitor instead of DP 1.4? (My Graphic card has display port 1.4 too). Thanks in advance for your help, Kind regards, Edd!
I have a 27" iMac 5K (2018 Model). When I connect it with the Benq PD3200U monitor. The refresh rate is only up to 30. I am using HDMI Cable. So, if I buy an adapter for DV will that help? Also, when you say colour-critical workspace, is that too going to get resolved?
You have a software calibrated display, you won't have any issues with color. As far as 4K30 that could be a dongle limitation, just look for another one that can do 4K60 you can get a cheap one for under $15 on amazon.
Update: I spent a whole day testing my MP 6,1 with Blackmagic eGPU, and decided not to keep it. The external eGPU does speed up Safari web browsing when content has lots of graphics. Various tests do show higher scores (e.g., Geekbench 5, Novabench). But it actually slows down Lightroom Classic. The PugetBench Photoshop software also shows a lower score with the eGPU.
Thanks for the update, that is what I suspect would happen since the signals and data would have to get pushed over to the eGPU before it can be process for the display.
@@ArtIsRight There was theory that if one connected monitors directly to the eGPU, then it would cost only one-way delay through TB2, as opposed to internal bus. But guess that would depend on how software was written. If GPU process only some data and has to return the data to CPU for more processing, then it would yield a lot of delays.
You should connect the display direct to the eGPU if you are using it for graphic, you should not connect it if you are using it for CGPU (computing GPU) such as rendering videos, etc. But with MP 6,1 you are looking TB2 delay going to a TB3, provided that you got the latest eGPU enclosure. Personally, I find that eGPU is more trouble than it is worth.
@@ArtIsRight Can you do a video on M1 Mac with two 4K monitors and perform local adjustments on LR Classic? My MP 6,1 was fine with 1 HD as main and 1 4K as the 2nd display for LRC. But after I upgraded my HD monitor to BenQ PD3200U, local adjustment is extremely sluggish. If I apply spot removal, I have to wait for the beach ball to appear twice before I can do anything next. Can you try this with M1? Try it with the latest LR Classic V10.1. V9.4 was a bit better: the beach ball only appeared once.
Hi, I have a MacBook Air 17 and I used BenQ gw2283 as an external monitor, and I am a designer and currently, using a thunderbolt to HDMI code. can this is good for a designer or I will use thunderbolt to D-sub plug code. because currently MacBook and BenQ gw2283 screen color is not matching, can this D-sub type code solve my problem? Please let me know.
My next recommendation before changing the cable is to calibrate the display. Do that first and see if the color are closer. They will never match, because of varying back light technology.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you. you are right backlight technology is also the main reason. Please can you suggest any external monitor that matches with MacBook air display? And calibrate means MacBook - system preferences - display internal setting or any use any external device for this? once again thanks for your comment.
You would have to use an external device for calibration i.e. th-cam.com/video/JrPdvs2by04/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/Px7aIMsdgkQ/w-d-xo.html as far as display matching Mac, there really are non, each models are unique. What I would do instead is consider a scenario like this th-cam.com/video/REGRfFdLYFM/w-d-xo.html get a great external monitor and then use that as the bases for editing and not the Mac display. I have not tested the GW calibrated, but if you want a great pro display from BenQ that won't break the budget I would consider their PD line. Cheers!
Hi Art in a large multi-monitor setup say 4 BenQ SW270Cs. Can we calibrate using one monitor using USBC then move it to a DP or HDMI output in the video card. Will the display calibration still be accurate even though it is being fed from a different flavor of output port in the video card?
@Dennis Cham, absolutely you should be ok. I would keep an eye on the HDMI output but there than that I think you're set. And you are calibrate the each of the display with each of the respective hookup and input signal which is great!
I don't have a calibrated display. And I use a dual monitor setup. Both my monitors have just hdmi ports and my graphics card has display Ports. Can I use a display Port to HDMI cable for colour critical work? Will it's output be any different than a regular hdmi to hdmi cable?
So you mean the output will be the same whether I use a "DP port to HDMI cable" or a regular "HDMI cable". There won't be much difference to noticable? I have a benq gw2480.
@@ArtIsRight Ok. One more question. I have a Colormunki display calibration device. Can I use it to calibrate the SW240 monitor using Colormunki display software?
You have a hardware calibrated display you should really be using BenQ Palette Master Element, but the device that you have is not compatible. So if you want just to do a software calibration you can, you would be using Calibrite ColorChecker Studio software. Color Munki software has been decrepit for a while now. Same software with slightly more control for newer OS.
I have a 2013 Mac Pro with 10-core Xeon/64GB RAM/2TB SSD/D300s. The main monitor is BenQ PD3200U. When I do Lightroom photo editing, I have a Dell 32" 4K monitor as the 2nd display. When I do software development and want to stand up for it, I have a BenQ PD2700, on a stand desk, mirrored to the PD3200U. The Lightroom is a bit sluggish. So I am getting a Blackmagic eGPU with Radeon Pro 580 GPU. I am planning to connect the PD3200U to the HDMI port of the eGPU. Will I have calibration problem with i1Display?
You should not have any issues especially with a software calibration but if you do use a USBC to Display Port Adapter or just use USB C to USB C. As far as performance not sure will it improved much, it is more of a Lightroom thing rather than a GPU thing. But keep me posted on LR performance with the eGPU.
@@ArtIsRight What would be a good benchmark to compare and determine the improvement from eGPU, if any? I'm not sure group import/export would make sense. My main goal is to reduce the sluggishness of LR Classic operations. The assumption is that I want to stretch the life of my MP 6,1 a bit until Apple stabilizes M1 Mac.
The best things that you can do for this is subjectively how it feels. There's really no specific benchmark for this. Truth be told LRC is sluggish on my Mac Pro with Radeon Pro Vega II card as well. This happens a lot when you run close to 4K, but if you scale the resolution there's an improvement to the responsiveness. I'll probably make a video about this soon.
@@ArtIsRight Does LRC use Mac's monitor scaling? From my experience, it does not. But I could be wrong. BTW, I found a benchmark for Photoshop that works on both Mac and Windows. Could you please participate here? www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64702827
Update: I have found the results on their website. For Apple products, you can see the results here: www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/?age=30&benchmark=PugetBench+for+Photoshop&application=&specs=apple#results-table
Best thing to do is test. If you have a hardware calibrated display this is something to check, for software calibrated display it does not matter much. But Nvidia studio driver and AMD pro driver will allow you to specify the output.
What monitor do you have? And here's the lowdown, so if you have a Hardware calibrated display, then TEST the HDMI to HDMI and see if you can get a pass validation, if you can, stop worrying about it. If it failed validation then you can try another connector but chances if your HDMI is already outputting truncate signal any coveter would be effected as well. If you have a software calibrated display HDMI to HDMI will work just fine, no need to worry.
So confusing my friend you start saying you should not use it in a pro color workflow and end the video saying that you are fine using it if you succeeded calibrating with palette master using HDMI....so why do you guys put an HDMI port on your SW series in the first place? how often do you hardware calibrate with Palette Master ???
It is more of a suggestion of why anyone should avoid using it and not an absolute saying that one should never use it. The reason why I made this video, for context, if anyone needs to know, is that, not all HDMI ports cause this issues, but some does and when this happens, users would go in a downward frustrating spiral of no one being able to provide them with answer to what is happening and why. This is usually the issue on the video card or port output by the way and not the display fault by any mens. If there are others ports on the computer, most of them are going to be better to use than a HDMI for color critical workflow. But if HDMI is your only port then use that and test, if it pass validation then it is ok. The thing is that most drivers and software, not all, will not tell you if it is truncate the HDMI RGB output range or not and most users would not really know where to find this information because sadly it is not in 1 place but in different places for different driver, if it is there at all. Why build in HDMI, BenQ would have a better answer for this, but here's my answer, sadly HDMI had become one of the adopted standard to make computer more versatile to hook up to other screens and projectors. It is not a superior connection by any means but it is the most prevalent, when was the last time you say Display Port on a projector? So this is one of the reason why they included it, I'm sure there are others too, i.e. other manufacturers are including it, it also makes the display more versatile, etc. TLDR, if you have other ports try those out first and use HDMI as the last resort and if validation pass with HDMI then you are OK.
Hi Art, would you recommend a monitor like PD3200U or PD2700Q for image color corrections for magazine publication work? Is sRGB enough for such work or do you really need Adobe RGB? Thank you.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you very much sir. I saw alot of people say that Adobe RGB is needed for printing work. Any idea why that is when you say that sRGB is more than enough?
Print work is a broad definition. If you are going to be printing your images in full tone either using light on paper and chemical, inkjet printing, or HP Indigo or something along those line it is best use Adobe RGB. If your work is pre press, cmyk runs for publication, it would depends on the publications, but most of them will not put in too much money into getting more color or tonal response from a halftone print, this is the same throughout most magazine with the exception of higher end ones. There are other reasons why you should edit in Adobe RGB but that is beyond the scope of the question and the point here :D
@@ArtIsRight My work is mainly for pre press work so I think an sRGB monitor should do the trick for me. Thank you very much sir for your quick response and detailed answers. It really helps alot. Keep up the good work with the channel too. You are sharing a lot of great information. 😊
I've been supplied with DVI & Display Port which one should i be plugging in for color critical work, also does this interfere with colorspaces of a hardware calibrated monitor
Cable does not matter, this is a different topic all together. This will explain it th-cam.com/video/Gu1nqEf8vzg/w-d-xo.html and if the original file is the, sometime you'll see slight differences, others you might not, that is image dependent how you are editing it. If your images are mute then no so much, if your images are saturated then you'll see more.
Either way glad it worked, so probably that specific version had that bug, as far as, all along, that would be how long that version was alive for. These software go through update cycles so it is fix and works now.
@@ArtIsRight hmm that confuses me to be honest, arent we supposed to use adobe rgb for print and photos and then rec 709 for video.. To my understanding the decklink shows no color profile and 10bit, so we get the full built in lut of the sw321c Maybe i just got it all wrong. I really appreciate your time.
So Decklink offer clean HDMI out, which means no color adjustments, which means no icc profile use. For Photo yes use Adobe RGB but when using the Decklink, you should calibrate a slot on the SW display with REC 709 and the gamma setting that you want, because Decklink uses REC 709. So what you are doing is preparing the hardware calibration slot on the SW display for decklink. if you use a software calibrated display then choose REC 709 color mode if you can and just go with it.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you so much! I am lucky enough to own a hardware one with the easy controller so i can easily switch betwin settings. I have set them up as 1. Rec709 (for video/film) 2. Srgb (for graphics and digital design) 3. AdobeRGB (for phot editing and printing) Once Again Thank you so very much! I have now ordered the decklink without no worries. Also thank you for all your guides to calibration. How can I support you beside the likes and bells?
@@ArtIsRight Thanks Arti! i did check it and there is difference..i was thinking to change to HDMI because on my 2nd monitor which i have in my home studio,its not a benq display. And Its flicker free only when using HDMI Unfortunately on this monitor my eyes get really tired especially with 10bit ..it feels like it gets way brighter and i lose details and my eyes get tired easily Did you have this issue when using 10bit?
@@ArtIsRight thanks Arti..just one last question...now in 2020,do you still its ok to use the profile version v2 or maybe is time to move to v4 What is the real difference?
Hi MR: ArtIsRight, I have Asus fx504GE i7 with Nvidia gtx 1050 ti and I have Benq PD2700U Monitor. I have a Problem's its Uses only 30 FPS in the monitor not Use 60 FPs Why? cud you answer Please.
One that will carry the full signal. Look for one that can do display signal and high speed USB transfer, not all cables are equal, don't get USB 2 cable, many are that way. Also if your HDMI works then you don't really need to change th-cam.com/video/DWzGHX2DDdA/w-d-xo.html
Technology keeps advancing. What used to be perfectly fine yesterday is no longer adequate today. That said, I'm looking for a new monitor for photo editing and hope to use it for the next 10+ years.
So you are tell me that you are using 2 displays cables, which one is it, Display Port or HDMI, they are both different. The SW270C does not auto detect source, so what you have to do is press any button on the display and choose the corresponding input source, whether that is HDMI or Display Port.
@@ArtIsRight Yes now I'm using HDMI. Thanks, I have a new generation mini mac it doesn't have a mini display port. But what do you think if I use USB-C to connect the monitor? Sorry for all these questions but I want to understand the differences. You know it is important to understand what is better, to improve my work. Thanks
Since your computer has a USB C and your display has a USB C you can just use 1 singular cable to link the two. Assuming that you have the SW270C and not the SW2700PT. USB C is going to be best in your situation
There are a few misinterpretations about this video, so I would like to reiterate my thoughts. This video goes over the reasons why you should "avoid" using HDMI, whenever possible. However, if HDMI is the only connection that you have on your machine then yes please try that out first, calibrate and see if it would pass the validation, if it does then you are ok. If not then you may have to look another alternative ports or adapter. There's no place in this video where I said "never" use HDMI, but rather just to avoid it when possible. I hope this clear things up a bit! :)
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Thank you Sir for your reply. I will try using HDMI
Hm this monitor no vga output?
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Thank you ArtIsRight!
I am not a content creator, but a software developer, I can confirming everything you have just described in this video, seems when I have DisplayPort to HDMI converted, video information is lost, black-color isn't black enough, white-color isn't paper-white, yet while connecting to a USB-C Alternate Mode the color spectrum seems been as good as my eyes can see from the same system.
I have two premium laptop setups with one 4K monitor, DELL for work related and the other GigaByte for play, both equipped with OWC Thunderbolt 3 docking station, when connecting one to DP and other to HDMI of the same monitor the color mismatch is driving me nuts visually!
I wonder why newer 4k monitors do not have multiple input DisplayPorts rather than (1xDisplayPort + 2xHDMI), makes system sharing quite annoying.
I guess I will have to look into KMV DisplayPort switches so I don't have color space issues.
I hear you about the input, I think there's a big shift toward USB C and DP is left in as a legacy port in a way. But it would be nice to get more DP.
@@ArtIsRight You are right again, USB-C is now widely available as a DisplayPort (Alt Mode) for monitors now.. strange i didn't realize that until you mentioned it!
I have recently bought another monitor, it has USB-C + DisplayPort + HDMI, which actually worked out better for my hybrid work from home configuration with two laptops.
while USB-C monitor input is connected to a host, I can still expand as a USB-hub through the monitor, one less docking station, personally I still like docking stations. :)
Fantastic and priceless informative explanation!
Thank you very much :)
You're very welcome!
How can I get 10bit colour output from my laptop (Acer aspire 7 intel i5) on PD2700Q it shows color depth-8 on display settings
One a laptop with integrated there not much that you can do with discrete GPU some Nvidia with studio driver support 10 bit output but it would depend on how the circuit is designed and whether there is a MUX chip or not, if there is then it is possible, if not then the discrete GPU is used in conjunction with the integrated GPU and there's again not much that can be done.
Wow, many thanks for sharing such valuable information. I've just bought a PD3200U and... yes, I'm writing this text with a HDMI cable that I'm right now going to replace by a USB one...
HDMI for software calibrated display should work fine. :) but if you have USB C then that is better.
Hello, I have a new SW240 and a MacBook air M1 with only USB-C ports, so I have connected the display directly with a DP to USB-C cable. Will this be better than using an HDMI cable connected to a hub? Thank you for your videos and explanations.
Yup
I think this situation could have occurred several years ago. Right now, with several generations of the HDMI standard, the original video signal will no longer be clipped over HDMI. And if you have an expensive HDMI cable, you'll get very accurate colors on an HW-calibrated display over HDMI. Modern HDMI standard has very wide bandwidth and described problem is not actual any more.
Sure, but I still know some laptop that have issues with HDMI. So dismissing the issue does not help either. And as one should always do, test it out first. Of note the cable just have to meet the spec, they don't have to be expensive to get accurate color, it is really all just 1 and 0.
That was great information. Thank you. Getting ready to purchase my first Benq SW240 monitor, and I would have NEVER known about what you had said had you not said it. Thank you again!
Test HDMI out first, it might work, but if it does not then choose another input!
thank you for this video... I've always used DisplayPort out of my cal digit dock- somewhere along the way it was instilled in me to never use HDMI but never could explain why. Wondering about the HDMI out on latest M1 MacBooks and Mac studio? I know apple is big on color so I'm a bit perplexed by the HDMI 2.0 on those machines
They just didn't design the chip to support the standard.
Quality content. More power to your channel. New sub!
Much appreciated!
Great video. Few questions if I may. I’m using this monitor with the Mac Mini M1 with HDMI port and I have no functionality with the extra USB / headphone ports or SD Card reader. Can you tell me what I’m doing wrong?
You need to use the USB uplink cable in addition to the HDMI or if you are using some type of USB C adapter. If you use USB C to USB C you can forego this.
Hi, I am using benq pd2700q. I am not seeing 10 bit color option in display settings when connected via HDMI cable... I used then display port to mini dp cable with and adapter still don't see that option... do I need to buy usb c to display port cable for enabling 10 bit. Please help.
Are you on Mac or PC, if you are on PC and have Nvidia card you have to use Studio Driver, otherwise no 10 bit, For AMD it is video card dependent and for intel integrated GPU it is a no go for 10 bit.
Geez, I didn't know that... Thanx for clarifying
Any time!
Great video thank you for your information.. Btw I have macbook pro 14 inch 2021 can i use HDMI connection from that macbook to connect to HDMI on external monitor benq sw2700PT in order to get successful validation using palette master? Thank you
Yes you will need the use the USB uplink cable as well. Also you need to use PME 1.3.15 and not 1.3.16 you can find the download link in the desc of this video th-cam.com/video/wV_FGFrovDA/w-d-xo.html
Does the USB type c for the monitor need to be into the video card or motherboard? I only have one on the back of my PC and its is not on the video card!
For PC desktop, it would have to be on the video card. PC desktop especially custom build ones and one with a operate video card, there's no video signal route back to the main board, no on board MUX so it would have to be the video card.
Which type of HDMI cable are you talking about, 1.x or 2.0 or 2.x
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Hello, Art. What about if i use a Benq2700pt with a Desktop PC instead of a Laptop. I only have a couple HDMI ports. I also use a Gaomon tablet as a duplicate screen to edit in Photoshop. I just got the xrite i1 pro and check your videos for best settings for calibration. But cable is something i haven´ thought about it. Any suggestions for those as me which have desktop pc onlye wiht hdmi ports?
A converted Display port to HDMI would help in anything?
Or maybe another mother board with display pro?
With HDMI, I would try it first with the SW2700PT especially if you don't have other ports, if it works then great! If not then we'll figure out another port. If you have the "option or choice" to avoid it yet but otherwise try it out first, it may or may not work, it is computer dependent but give it a go.
What if I use a hdmi cable from a decklink card? Does my signal still get cut out?
Nope, this video does not refer to decklink at all.
I'm a new subscriber and I must say, you do fantastic videos and very detailed research! Based on your videos I've just ordered dual SW321C monitors to be ran from both my PC as well as an M1 Mac Mini I should be receiving next week. As you know (per your video) to get 4k 60hz, I'll be connecting via native HDMI on display 1, and the Amazon USB-C to HDMI you recommended in your video for display 2. However, I now stumble across this video and it seems I'm going to have problems completing a hardware calibration these $2000 monitors? Am I understanding this correct? Any work arounds or other recommendations? Per your other video, it does not appear I have any other connection options to stay at 60hz. Thoughts?
Well at this point you are going to have issues calibrating any displays regardless th-cam.com/video/KXIKRLLVCw4/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/NVi0YdAB2M0/w-d-xo.html nothing works well with it yet. It is all a waiting game at this point. When the software are compatible, I will have to test HDMI on these new Mac, the simple answer right now is that I don't know will they truncate the signal or not. I know that this was done on the 13" MacBook Pro that has the HDMI build in, but it works fine on the 15" MacBook Pro, so it is hard to say. Patience is the name of the game right now and not much else
Thanks for the quick response. If I understand your video correctly, my display could suffer from a restricted color range due to the HDMI technology at ALL times. The calibration is less of a concern for me since I run two machines and calibrate with my PC. My concern is having this incomplete color range during editing and prior to printing. Do I understand you correctly? Also, to maintain the 4K at 60hz the previously mentioned connections are my only option, correct?
Yes to get 4K60 as of now what you mentioned before. If you don't need calibration then it does not matter if the range get truncated, this really only effect hardware calibrated display when doing a true hardware calibration. Again without an update native software I can't test that yet, so we are at a stall here. Everything is waiting game right now, but if you are not going to calibrate I won't worry about it, these are not visual differences that are visually noticeable
@@ronmcgowan try to go to your graphics card control panel and change the output range to full range, regardless of HDMI or dp, pc sets limited range as defult, not the bandwidth issue of HDMI
I’m considering getting the den Q321C Display. I’m a Mac user and I would be using it both with a MacBook Pro which has USB-C connections and my older MacPro desktop which is display port. Will I be able to plug both of them into the display at the same time and switch views back-and-forth between the two inputs?
Yes you can use the hotkey put customization for quick input changes as well.
I'm confused - if I try to use Palette Master Element it won't even start as it says the monitor *must* be connected to the PC by USB. Specifically the error says ' Make sure your BenQ display USB cable is connected to your computer. Then proceed with the set up.' I'm using an HDMI cable which this video suggests could work but as I say the program won't even run. Am I being particularly dim today?
You need to use the USB uplink cable as well th-cam.com/video/24BebMD0G7s/w-d-xo.html or th-cam.com/video/OVml8PQ4F2g/w-d-xo.html
@@ArtIsRight Thanks for the reply - I have got the usb uplink cable installed as well as the hdmi but I still get the error I mentioned
Try powering off the display, pull the plug and leave it out for 30 sec, plug it back in a try again. See if you are still getting the error. Otherwise, I would try another port on your computer.
Since I switched from a desktop to my Dell XPS with Iris graphics, I can't get an accurate print. I've calibrated the ASUS 24 monitor many times, with an old X-Rite profile device, but the resulting print is now a little washed out and with a purple cast. The calibration does pass the validation, but I was wondering if I should buy an adapter and try going back to using the DVI cable and port which I previously used with the desktop. Would appreciate your thoughts.
You can try that and see, but from what you are describing, it would seem that the print may have a profile or ink issue more than the display at this point.
you can always select 0-255output on your graphics card control panel using pc, and this should be done by anyone regardless of using hdmi or dp, as the defult is set to limited range
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Thank you Art, now i know what problem is.👍
Happy to help
Would you suggest using the display port over UCBc?
Technically if you can use USB C, just do that, they are using the same Tech. All USB C technically carry what is a called a Display Port Overlay to pass through the display signal
Hey, thanks for the explanation! I have some questions:
1. when you talk about HDMI, do you mean any kind of HDMI standard? because I am thinking if the HDMI port and cable support enough data (HDMI 2.0 for example), will they still though the color information while having the audio data?
2. Is there any way to limit only video data through HDMI? it seems like if the cable don't throw the color information, it will be fine.
3. I am thinking about the mac mini, and maybe a old sw model (without USB c port), do you think I can use the HDMI port out? otherwise it will be a little bit waste of the port...
1. They should do both, I am speaking of HDMI in general. And this is one where you have to do lots of testing.
2. Unless your video driver than control this, I am not sure.
3.I have not tested that, but for all my Mac mini clients, I have them buy a cable like this www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075V27G2R/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 bypass HDMI all together.
@@ArtIsRight Thanks！
Sure thing!
Hi and thanks for the review . Can a (pc)HDMI to (screen) usbc works ? Thanks a lot from France
I would test out HDMI first, if it works you are good. If you have a hardware calibrated display HDMI might pose an issue, if you just have a software calibrated display you should be ok. HDMI can typically be adapted to other ports type but USB C is not one of them. I would consider adapting connector type as a last resource.
My New pd2700u 4k only lets me display as 1920 X 1080 or lower when connected to my 2013 iMac any help please? I'm using a hdmi to thunderbolt 2 adapter. Thanks
I would check the dongle to make sure that it is 4K60 compatible.
What do you do if your video card hard DVI and your monitor has HDMI or display port?
So I would look at getting a DVI to HDMI or Display Port adapter, either as a dongle or a cable with different connector on each end.
Hi ArtisRight, Does HDMI support the 10-bit color of the SW2700PT? Is a 2.0 HDMI cable that claims to be backward capable (the monitor is 1.4) OK? Also, I've read in a review that the monitor's backlight is white LED. Somewhere else I learned it is an RGB LED selection I should make on the X-Rite i1Pro Display colorimeter. RGB LED is what I should select? And BenQ has recommended that I choose the older 1.3.10 Pallete Master software, rather than 1.3.11. Do you concur, and why? Thanks so much for this video and the others, and especially for your replies.
10 bit color is officially supported since HDMI 1.3 carrying 10 bit signal is not the issue. The video card used along with the driver is the bottle neck. So if you use a Mac you are good, if you use a PC, YMMV.
Thanks for the heads-up, you've got some amazing content. I'm planning to buy the BenQ PD2705Q in the next few days. Im a professional photographer. I saw you mentioned about using a C type cable instead of a HDMI. Well, i just want to make sure there's an option to connect my CPU to the monitor with a C type cable. If not, what's the alternative? Also, is PD2705Q a true LED IPS display and is it factory calibrated?
This does not apply to PD series, only for SW hardware calibrated display. And yes all displays are factory calibrated - just how well and thorough.
@@ArtIsRight thanks so much for the quick reply. Is the PD2705Q LED or LCD?
Both - LCD panel with LED Backlight
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You're welcome!
Hi Art, I just bought the BenQ SW2700PT 27 Inch QHD. I have a Dell XPS 13 laptop, which has 3 x USBc ports, so I have to use an external converter for HDMI or USB. I can either use HDMI - HDMI cable or the SS cable that came with the monitor which connects to USB - which one should I use. Or should I get a USBc to HDMI cable? Suggestions please - I'm confused! I probably should have bought the USBc version, but budget did not allow.
Hi so what I would do in your situation is try HDMI first and sees if it gives you any issues. If it does then I can suggest other ports and cable and if it does not then you can just stick with it.
Hi Art, I'm confused! I have a Mac mini M1 and a BenQ SW240 I calibrate with a colorchecker display pro using Pallete Master. What is the best port/cable for colour calibration/colour accuracy, USB C OR USB A/B ? Thanking you kindly for your help.
USB C to Display Port. But what I would do in your situation is test HDMI first, if it calibrate and pass validation, you are good. Forget all of this and have fun with great colors!
@@ArtIsRight Thank you so much for your prompt response - I will do as you suggest
Very informative helpful video. Thank you. Question: Does the DisplayPort truncate down the signal? You said the USB-C does not but said nothing about the DisplayPort. I'm concerned now that I'm not getting all I can get out of my BenQ PD2700U (10-bit, 100% sRGB, 100% Rec. 709) because it only has DisplayPort 1.4.
DP does not do this nor does USB C because when you use USB C for display signal it runs a DP signal overlay. On the PD this does not matter, I did emphasize this enough in the video that this issue only effects hardware calibrated display such as the BenQ SW.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you. I get it now. I appreciate your getting back to me to explain what I missed.
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I have no problem passing the validation with hdmi, but after watching your video I tried to go with usb c. I kept getting a message from the display that said no cable was attached. I used the cable that came with the monitor and attached it to my MBP.
Depending on the model that you have, the display does not automatically detect input source. So you can press any button on the display when see that message and the choose the corresponding input source and that should get you going.
I Have two 4k Monitors Benq PD2700U, which is connected via two display ports for each monitor and running at 60Htz. The reason I didn't haven't use the Daisy chain because it only supports one monitor at 60htz. Is it Advisable to use two monitors separately connected using DP?
You're setup is fine. You good!
I am on a 2015 Macbook Pro without USB-C. I have connected the SW321C via HDMI. Now I want to calibrate with SpyderX and Palette Master Element. > ERROR: A connection to a BenQ Display cannot be established. Please make sure that the USB cable is connected and that the FTDI drivers are working.
Any help here please? I can connect it via USB...
Yeah you have to connect the USB A to USB Type B uplink to the SW321C, otherwise it will not work.
Hi Art!
Is the HDMI cable only problematic during the calibration process itself? Is it possible to use a diplay port for the calibration, and then afterwards switch to HDMI? Does the HDMI cable have any other drawbacks during normal use (after calibration), as opposed to a displayport / USB-C?
The reason i want to do this is because i have 2 monitors, but only 1 displayport slot in my computer. I want my other monitor (which is a 144hz monitor) to use the displayport cable.
Hope you understand the question. Let me know if i need to clarify anything.
@Artyom Andreev, HDMI can be problematic during the calibration and also in general use. If your computer is outputting 16-235 compress range then you are throwing all of the shadow and highlight details away in general use. Again, keep in mind that this does not happen to every computer. It happens to some. If you are aware that this happening to you this may be the reason why your calibration is failing the validation process. Another thing to consider as well is the program that you are using to do calibration. If the validation process checks a lot of the white, gray, and black tones like Palette Master Element then the validation will definitely fail if the HDMI is outputting compress range. If you use another program to do a software calibration such as the i1profiler then you may not notice that this is an issue because i1profiler does not validate gray tones during display QA.
To answer your second question if you are using display port for calibration you want to stick with using the display port for your displays ago as well. Switching the calibration cables will also switch to signal output from the video card. This means that you are not going to get the same signal out when you switch the ports on your video card. Remember this that calibration is very specific to a displaying, the computer, the video card, and also the output ports that you're using during calibration. If your computer and display is capable of using display port or USB type C you're probably better using these two formats that HDMI. Based on my understanding HDMI can do 144 Hz without any issue. So you may want to consider that. In addition is probably better to use display port cable for color critical display work. If you have any follow-up questions please let me know.Based on my understanding HDMI can do 144 Hz without any issue. So you may want to consider that. In addition is probably better to use display port cable for color critical display work. If you have any follow-up questions please let me know.
Dear Sir,
I have benq sw240. My pc has USB-C port.But when I connected USB-C to display port of monitor, there is no display. I changed DP 1.2 to 1.1 by hdmi cable connection,but it did not work.I think my usb- c port is not disp alt mode supported. Now I think I need graphics card. Benq has provided mDP to DP cable.please suggest me specification for graphics Card with ,what type of port required for compatibility with sw240. Please note I use Lightroom cc
See the other thread for answers
One question about my new PD3200U - Can I also set 30Hz instead of 60 Hz?
I have at the moment unfortunately only a MBPro late 2013. model A1398. Does the monitor need too much power?
All programs run delayed, Affinity Designer, FIGMA requires a total of up to 6GB memory (mac activity display) Then almost nothing works :-(
Yes th-cam.com/video/-epAJtrPmLE/w-d-xo.html That is a 4K display and it does need a lot of GPU power. The GPU inside MBP 2013 will drive 4K but not at the speed that you want.
I have purchased sw270c. I have a PC and graphics card has hdmi and DisplayPort out the PC has usb C ports can’t I use them as well for the monitor.
I recommend Display Port or HDMI. There no Display Port overlay on USB C on most Desktop PC so it will probably not work. If you have a laptop you have to double check and make sure that it has display port overlay.
Ouch, this is a rough one. ArtIsWrong here, depending on what you're doing. 1st there are a lot of assumptions being made here about what color critical work we're doing. In the video world, when doing color critical work such as color grading... and using a professional video output device like BM Decklink series cards, AJA or Bluefish or Avid Artist cards to output a professional video signal to an external video monitor... HDMI is a great choice. HDMI supports up to 8k/60 and 10bit HDR. Displayport is not a professional video connection, it's a graphics card to monitor connection, so if you're working in pro video, this is a somewhat misleading video. If you're a consumer / prosumer and you're trying to feed a consumer computer monitor via HDMI from a graphics card, then you might run into some trouble and be in the zone that this video is addressing. It's not a shortcoming of HDMI, it's a problem with folks trying to use workarounds that aren't necessarily designed to do what they're trying to do.
And my point is that some computer truncate signal and that "pro" should test. That is all that I am saying. Too many people hear what they want to hear even though I was clear in my resolve. Also you seem advanced, which is great, however, many don't have the knowledge that you do, so the advice is appropriate consider my audience, thanks for chiming in.
DP cable good for video and photo editing?
Yes, that or USB C
Hello Art!
I have a question. If I am using Blackmagic Design UltraStudio Monitor 3G in between, would it be ok? Because Blackmagic has only HDMI output to my Benq 312C. And yes I am using my bend for critical color work.
Thanks!
Yes, workflow here is to calibrate your BenQ using PME with the settings that you want to use without the Studio monitor, once you have that done, then plug the studio monitor in between and you'll be ok.
I was doubtful before buying SW240 because my Acer Aspire 7 laptop only had HDMI output.
But luckily, validation passed for me.
Great, again with HDMI on HW calibrated display you have to test
What about nvidiabgraphics cards... Should you have a dedicated video io feed or can you accurately feed your display from gpu if your grading in software like resolve?
You can technically just do it directly from the card. I know that resolved make a clean HDMI out device, but non the less you should still do that on a hardware calibrated display this way the calibration data remains on the displays and not the computer. In my research, I think that if you have a specific need for such a device yes use it, otherwise I would just use the signal out directly form the video card.
But the Decklink only has HDMI and SDI, you really cant use 10bit HDMI with decklink to the Benq monitor? With Decklink it's suppose to be color accurate from Resolve. Are you saying it's never color accurate via hdmi? Can't be, what's the point of the Decklink then?
I'm not taking about Decklink, I am talking about computer output from GPU, totally 2 different unrelated things. For those device, calibrate your BenQ SW to REC 709 with your preferred gamma first and then hook up the decklink after. And if you don't have a hardware calibrated display, it does not really matter much.
Hi! I am buying a SW240 to edit photos with my 2010 MacBookPro. Which cable/port should I use both in the monitor and the computer?
Other question: what’s the difference between the C or PT versions of this SW240?
Thanks for your help!
All of the cable that you need to use with your 2010 MBP is in the box with the SW240, so Mini DP to DP for video signal and USB Type A to USB Type B unlike.
PT, first gen SW27000PT only one with that model name, PT Convention is no longer use. C stands for USB C with 60 Watts Power Delivery in the SW line up.
@@ArtIsRight Thanks a lot for your help! So, even I own a 2010 MBP without USB-C port, the SW240C version will work with my computer? Cheers!
@ArtIsRight I have a benq SW321C monitor and a laptop (with windows) without usb-C . How do i connect my benq to my laptop? Thanks. Bye. Martino(Italy)
HDMI, run a calibration, if it passes you are good. Display Port, or other ports that you may have.
@@ArtIsRight I found out that my laptop is only a full HDand not a 4k. So I will build a new computer(with windows operating system). I can build the computer with as many ports as I want.What is the perfect port to connect the Benq Sw321C to the computer?
USB C or Display Port will work just as well. USB C on for display on custom build PC have may ports limitation, depending on how you configure it.
So with my Macbook Pro 2015, do I need a thunderbolt to miniport display cable? Thanks in advance!
It is just a Mini DP to Full DP cable included with the SW displays.
Hi, I was trying 2 cables connected to display port , one display-display and other display- HDMI, and with second cable Display/HDMI I haw much better delta , on my 27C monitor , which should I use.? Thank you.
Are you on a Mac, PC, video card, etc? Also assuming the calibrations are the same. If one happened before the other as you are turning the display on, there might be some variation there. Either way if you have the option to use those cable and one is giving you a better ∆E then use that. With HDMI, it would depend on the machine and driver and testing must be done. You're seems to be good so you have options.
Hi
I have purchased sw270c, I am using a PC and the graphics card has hdmi and display port outputs. I have USB port on the computer can I use these
I recommend Display Port or HDMI. There no Display Port overlay on USB C on most Desktop PC so it will probably not work. If you have a laptop you have to double check and make sure that it has display port overlay.
But decklink connects to your display through hdmi
I said nothing about Decklink, if you have that, use it, you'll be fine. This video is for hardware calibration only i.e. very specific group of high end displays, so many people missed that fact and I said that in the video ;)
Hi, my old lenovo laptop does not have a dp connection so I could not connect sw240 monitor there is only connections for hdmi and vga
Just go HDMI, give it a calibration test and see if it pass. If so then you are good.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for replay but sadly my laptop is too old. I tryed go on hdmi cable and got horizontal red, blue, green thin lines randomly appearing on screen.
Then use some type of adapter to display port.
the gpu automatically compress color when there isn't enought bandwith (for example 4k 120hz at 4:2:0 on hdmi 2.0). Otherwise just change the settings on the gpu control panel to 4:4:4 0-255
I understand that, on a PC, yes you can do that with the right driver. On Mac not so much.
Thank you yet again - brilliant videos!!!!
Glad you like them!
Im using Benq PD2700U and quite confused with the color modes. Which color mode do you recommend for photo editing that will be displayed mostly digitally on web or other media?
You can use any color mode really, but I would look at Display P3 or sRGB, th-cam.com/video/bRSwd4x99ao/w-d-xo.html
Hi, your videos are very instructive. I just bought BenQ SW271C for photo and video editing. And I want to get the most out of it, without making mistakes. I have some questions about connecting and calibrating. I appreciate if you can help me.
My laptop is Asus VivoBook 15, model X512FJ-EJ529T. I use Windows 10.
At first, I used the HDMI cable to connect the monitor and the laptop. The monitor reproduced the images from the laptop. But watching this video I learned that it is not suitable to use an HDMI cable, especially when calibrating, as HDMI can limit the color gamut. I then tried, with the monitor and laptop plugged in, to use the USB3.1 Gen 2 (USB-C) cable supplied with the monitor, but it didn't reproduce the images from the laptop. The message "no signal detected" appears. I tried using the other USB cable, but it didn't connect either. My laptop has a USB-C cable input. Why this problem may be occurring How to make the correct connection without using HDMI so as not to interfere with the color quality?
HDMI can limit the output on some machines but not all, testing is necessary. USB C is better make sure that you laptop can output signal over USB C and do this th-cam.com/video/u7XD7s5xs1k/w-d-xo.html
@@ArtIsRight Thank you very much for your attention. I'll check out the other video right away.
:)
Thanks for this explanation Art! Good to know!
@PAWELECphoto, any time my friend.
I have a sw271 .. When I check which bit depth it is, I'm seeing only 8 bit and it should be 10 bit. I'm using the display port cable that came with the monitor, is 10 bit only attainable when using hdmi?
Nope but I need more details. What system what video card, etc?
Nvidia defaults HDMI to 16-235 but it should be noted that this is an easy fix in the driver settings. There is usually not a problem with bandwidth.
Fully aware of this, but this covers some Mac as well and it is generic video. Also aware that issues I not bandwidth, never said that it was, more so the fact and background as to why bandwidth might be limited.
Excellent video, but for example, why DaVinci resolve recommend use their external video card in order to have a clean signal and conectado the display trough HDMI? Could you explain to me this?!
@Camilo Gutierrez, thank you. DaVinci, external video card device is another story. Those are devices designed by black magic and for those device, based on my understanding, since you can't really calibrate them, at least not in the traditional way that I have shown on my channels, you can use HDMI with it and it will be ok. When you use those devices with DaVinci, the signal from those device is coming out of the Resolve rather than the system video card.
Hi, I just bought an SW2700PT (couldn't afford higher) and connected it with an old HDMI cable I had. (I have a new 'high speed' HDMI cable too) I calibrated it with my friend's ColorMunki (older model) and X-Rite software. It looks pretty good to me... ? Will it be better to use one of the OEM cables that came with the monitor?
Nope, the cable as long as it meets the spec is at the end of the day a cable and will work the same.
@@ArtIsRight Gotcha. Thanks for your reply 🙏🏽😊
Sure thing!
My laptop only has USB 3.0 A type and HDMI 1.0 ports, i do photo and video editing works, so what should i do to get the colour accuracy in the monitor with these above options? Any converter will work or anything you wanna suggest?, please reply. 🙂
In your situation you want to try HDMI first, Like I said in the video not all of them will fail and it is only a suggestion as something to avoid.
Hey! My display took a fall when moving and the usb hub no longer works, what is the repair process?
Contact the display manufacture local support for this...
Hello there, What am i sacrificing by not using DP for pc? is it related to dark areas in games that makes thing look less detailed?
My 144hz monitor only supports 1.2 dp and my gpu outputs 1.4gp so buying 1.2 cable is enough?
1.2 vs 1.4 just has to do with bandwidths that the cable can carry, higher resolution, HDR etc. This video is meant as a PSA for Hardware calibrated display doing color critical work. If you don't have a hardware calibrated display and do color critical work then this cable choice does not matter. I mentioned this in the video but it was not emphasized enough and can easily get glossed over.
Hello there, thank you for great video !!
Can I ask you .... how should I connect my laptop (dell inspiron 15 7000) with BenQ PD2700Q .... I got that there will be the display port on BenQ but with what should I connect to the laptop ? Is it better to use some reduction like ... HDMI to DisplayPort or this doesn´t matter ? :/
Thank you and have a great day !
This is one of those situation where it is probably better for you to stick with HDMI considering all of the ports are there on the laptop already. Converting HDMI into something else can still cause problem because you are still using the HDMI base signal. The other option that you have on your machine is to use the Thunderbolt port which is implemented on a USB Type C connection. Get a USB C to Display port something like this www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V5MMCH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
You have to remember too that your BenQ PD is a software calibrated display and it is less sensitive to HDMI signal truncate issues that I mentioned in the video.
ArtIsRight I have started contemplating buying a proper monitor and my only machine is a macbook pro. Thank you for the information. This has been very useful!
I'm planning to get the BenQ PD2700U or BenQ PD2700Q
and my laptop has these connectivity options:
HDMI, Usb type C, USB 3.0
So, i can get a TYPE C adapter for the Monitor or, there is a type C cable build in the monitor?
I don't think that either one of those have USB Type C and if you are not running a hardware calibrated display HDMI won't really matter much, so for your setup if HDMI is easier then use that. If you want the better signal use USB C to Display Port and that should do wonders. Here's a link to one www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V5MMCH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 If I were in your position what I would do is just try the HDMI out and see how that works with calibration and etc. If it works then continue to use it.
@@ArtIsRight do you have any recommendations under a budget of $500 27inch for 90% photo editing and 10% video?
Here are a few, some hardware calibrated one too. If you don't mind getting a refurbished you can get some great deals. I would look at either the SW - Hardware Calibrated Line or the PD - Software Calibration Pro Design line. The SW2700PT is an especially great value.
Hello ArtlsRight, I have a question... I have the Benq SW270c and I have this monitor connected to my PC with display port 1.2. However, I have noticed in the specification of the monitor that It's Displayport 1.4; On the monitor menu (System) there is a feature that says DP and It has 2 options (1.1 and 1.4).
My question is, what are the cons of using a Display port 1.2 with this monitor instead of DP 1.4? (My Graphic card has display port 1.4 too).
Thanks in advance for your help,
Kind regards, Edd!
Mostly it has to do with total bandwidth and the ability to run 4K resolution or not. You are good with the SW270C
@@ArtIsRight Thanks!
Sure thing!
Is mini display port same as display port?
Same signal yes, but different connector, smaller size
I have a 27" iMac 5K (2018 Model). When I connect it with the Benq PD3200U monitor. The refresh rate is only up to 30. I am using HDMI Cable. So, if I buy an adapter for DV will that help? Also, when you say colour-critical workspace, is that too going to get resolved?
You have a software calibrated display, you won't have any issues with color. As far as 4K30 that could be a dongle limitation, just look for another one that can do 4K60 you can get a cheap one for under $15 on amazon.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you so much :) That is great.
:)
Update: I spent a whole day testing my MP 6,1 with Blackmagic eGPU, and decided not to keep it. The external eGPU does speed up Safari web browsing when content has lots of graphics. Various tests do show higher scores (e.g., Geekbench 5, Novabench). But it actually slows down Lightroom Classic. The PugetBench Photoshop software also shows a lower score with the eGPU.
Thanks for the update, that is what I suspect would happen since the signals and data would have to get pushed over to the eGPU before it can be process for the display.
@@ArtIsRight There was theory that if one connected monitors directly to the eGPU, then it would cost only one-way delay through TB2, as opposed to internal bus. But guess that would depend on how software was written. If GPU process only some data and has to return the data to CPU for more processing, then it would yield a lot of delays.
You should connect the display direct to the eGPU if you are using it for graphic, you should not connect it if you are using it for CGPU (computing GPU) such as rendering videos, etc. But with MP 6,1 you are looking TB2 delay going to a TB3, provided that you got the latest eGPU enclosure. Personally, I find that eGPU is more trouble than it is worth.
@@ArtIsRight Can you do a video on M1 Mac with two 4K monitors and perform local adjustments on LR Classic? My MP 6,1 was fine with 1 HD as main and 1 4K as the 2nd display for LRC. But after I upgraded my HD monitor to BenQ PD3200U, local adjustment is extremely sluggish. If I apply spot removal, I have to wait for the beach ball to appear twice before I can do anything next. Can you try this with M1? Try it with the latest LR Classic V10.1. V9.4 was a bit better: the beach ball only appeared once.
Clarification: the 2nd 4K monitor should be used as the 2nd display for LR Classic and set in Loupe mode.
Hi, I have a MacBook Air 17 and I used BenQ gw2283 as an external monitor, and I am a designer and currently, using a thunderbolt to HDMI code. can this is good for a designer or I will use thunderbolt to D-sub plug code. because currently MacBook and BenQ gw2283 screen color is not matching, can this D-sub type code solve my problem? Please let me know.
My next recommendation before changing the cable is to calibrate the display. Do that first and see if the color are closer. They will never match, because of varying back light technology.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you. you are right backlight technology is also the main reason. Please can you suggest any external monitor that matches with MacBook air display?
And calibrate means MacBook - system preferences - display internal setting or any use any external device for this?
once again thanks for your comment.
You would have to use an external device for calibration i.e. th-cam.com/video/JrPdvs2by04/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/Px7aIMsdgkQ/w-d-xo.html as far as display matching Mac, there really are non, each models are unique. What I would do instead is consider a scenario like this th-cam.com/video/REGRfFdLYFM/w-d-xo.html get a great external monitor and then use that as the bases for editing and not the Mac display. I have not tested the GW calibrated, but if you want a great pro display from BenQ that won't break the budget I would consider their PD line. Cheers!
Hi Art in a large multi-monitor setup say 4 BenQ SW270Cs. Can we calibrate using one monitor using USBC then move it to a DP or HDMI output in the video card. Will the display calibration still be accurate even though it is being fed from a different flavor of output port in the video card?
@Dennis Cham, absolutely you should be ok. I would keep an eye on the HDMI output but there than that I think you're set. And you are calibrate the each of the display with each of the respective hookup and input signal which is great!
Thanks for the reply Art!
@Dennis Cham, you're welcome
I don't have a calibrated display. And I use a dual monitor setup. Both my monitors have just hdmi ports and my graphics card has display Ports. Can I use a display Port to HDMI cable for colour critical work? Will it's output be any different than a regular hdmi to hdmi cable?
Yes this video applies to hardware calibrated display only, most people miss this fact.
So you mean the output will be the same whether I use a "DP port to HDMI cable" or a regular "HDMI cable". There won't be much difference to noticable? I have a benq gw2480.
For that models no and for most computer not an issue.
Thanks 😊
👍🏼
Hi does Nvidia Quadro P400/P620 entry level graphic card supports 10 bits color Display? (products such as SW240, SW270 etc)?
Yes
@@ArtIsRight Ok. One more question. I have a Colormunki display calibration device. Can I use it to calibrate the SW240 monitor using Colormunki display software?
You have a hardware calibrated display you should really be using BenQ Palette Master Element, but the device that you have is not compatible. So if you want just to do a software calibration you can, you would be using Calibrite ColorChecker Studio software. Color Munki software has been decrepit for a while now. Same software with slightly more control for newer OS.
@@ArtIsRight alright thanks
👍🏼
I have a 2013 Mac Pro with 10-core Xeon/64GB RAM/2TB SSD/D300s. The main monitor is BenQ PD3200U. When I do Lightroom photo editing, I have a Dell 32" 4K monitor as the 2nd display. When I do software development and want to stand up for it, I have a BenQ PD2700, on a stand desk, mirrored to the PD3200U. The Lightroom is a bit sluggish. So I am getting a Blackmagic eGPU with Radeon Pro 580 GPU. I am planning to connect the PD3200U to the HDMI port of the eGPU. Will I have calibration problem with i1Display?
You should not have any issues especially with a software calibration but if you do use a USBC to Display Port Adapter or just use USB C to USB C. As far as performance not sure will it improved much, it is more of a Lightroom thing rather than a GPU thing. But keep me posted on LR performance with the eGPU.
@@ArtIsRight What would be a good benchmark to compare and determine the improvement from eGPU, if any? I'm not sure group import/export would make sense. My main goal is to reduce the sluggishness of LR Classic operations. The assumption is that I want to stretch the life of my MP 6,1 a bit until Apple stabilizes M1 Mac.
The best things that you can do for this is subjectively how it feels. There's really no specific benchmark for this. Truth be told LRC is sluggish on my Mac Pro with Radeon Pro Vega II card as well. This happens a lot when you run close to 4K, but if you scale the resolution there's an improvement to the responsiveness. I'll probably make a video about this soon.
@@ArtIsRight Does LRC use Mac's monitor scaling? From my experience, it does not. But I could be wrong. BTW, I found a benchmark for Photoshop that works on both Mac and Windows. Could you please participate here? www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64702827
Update: I have found the results on their website. For Apple products, you can see the results here: www.pugetsystems.com/benchmarks/?age=30&benchmark=PugetBench+for+Photoshop&application=&specs=apple#results-table
What if I have an nvidia gpu, can I change the output to 0-255 in the control panel?
Best thing to do is test. If you have a hardware calibrated display this is something to check, for software calibrated display it does not matter much. But Nvidia studio driver and AMD pro driver will allow you to specify the output.
But sir if not available DisplayPort in my PC and laptop that time I am use hdmi to DisplayPort convert no any issues
Watch this clarifications, there are some keywords that I used in the video that many missed th-cam.com/video/DWzGHX2DDdA/w-d-xo.html
Sir my monitor have a DisplayPort but not in my PC so can I use hdmi to DisplayPort converter
What monitor do you have? And here's the lowdown, so if you have a Hardware calibrated display, then TEST the HDMI to HDMI and see if you can get a pass validation, if you can, stop worrying about it. If it failed validation then you can try another connector but chances if your HDMI is already outputting truncate signal any coveter would be effected as well. If you have a software calibrated display HDMI to HDMI will work just fine, no need to worry.
@@ArtIsRight sir i have dell P2419H monitor
Just use HDMI to HDMI you're fine.
will type c to dp work
If you have type C with DP overlay then just do type C to type C, if your display does not have type C then yes do Type C to DP
So confusing my friend you start saying you should not use it in a pro color workflow and end the video saying that you are fine using it if you succeeded calibrating with palette master using HDMI....so why do you guys put an HDMI port on your SW series in the first place? how often do you hardware calibrate with Palette Master ???
It is more of a suggestion of why anyone should avoid using it and not an absolute saying that one should never use it. The reason why I made this video, for context, if anyone needs to know, is that, not all HDMI ports cause this issues, but some does and when this happens, users would go in a downward frustrating spiral of no one being able to provide them with answer to what is happening and why. This is usually the issue on the video card or port output by the way and not the display fault by any mens. If there are others ports on the computer, most of them are going to be better to use than a HDMI for color critical workflow. But if HDMI is your only port then use that and test, if it pass validation then it is ok. The thing is that most drivers and software, not all, will not tell you if it is truncate the HDMI RGB output range or not and most users would not really know where to find this information because sadly it is not in 1 place but in different places for different driver, if it is there at all. Why build in HDMI, BenQ would have a better answer for this, but here's my answer, sadly HDMI had become one of the adopted standard to make computer more versatile to hook up to other screens and projectors. It is not a superior connection by any means but it is the most prevalent, when was the last time you say Display Port on a projector? So this is one of the reason why they included it, I'm sure there are others too, i.e. other manufacturers are including it, it also makes the display more versatile, etc.
TLDR, if you have other ports try those out first and use HDMI as the last resort and if validation pass with HDMI then you are OK.
Thanks for this video
Art and for your email response
@Ted Timmons, you're welcome
Hi Art, would you recommend a monitor like PD3200U or PD2700Q for image color corrections for magazine publication work? Is sRGB enough for such work or do you really need Adobe RGB? Thank you.
Those 2 are great display. For magazine publication sRGB should work just fine. CMYK press generally have the gamut of sRGB so you should be good!
@@ArtIsRight Thank you very much sir. I saw alot of people say that Adobe RGB is needed for printing work. Any idea why that is when you say that sRGB is more than enough?
Print work is a broad definition. If you are going to be printing your images in full tone either using light on paper and chemical, inkjet printing, or HP Indigo or something along those line it is best use Adobe RGB. If your work is pre press, cmyk runs for publication, it would depends on the publications, but most of them will not put in too much money into getting more color or tonal response from a halftone print, this is the same throughout most magazine with the exception of higher end ones. There are other reasons why you should edit in Adobe RGB but that is beyond the scope of the question and the point here :D
@@ArtIsRight My work is mainly for pre press work so I think an sRGB monitor should do the trick for me. Thank you very much sir for your quick response and detailed answers. It really helps alot. Keep up the good work with the channel too. You are sharing a lot of great information. 😊
:)
Hi, which 4k monitor is best for video editing
BenQ PD or SW line 27 or 32" 4k
@@ArtIsRight sir Thanks, but Sw Series very Expensive I Am wedding photographer Do I Need 100 % Adobe Rgb
It depends, if not SW then PD
I've been supplied with DVI & Display Port which one should i be plugging in for color critical work, also does this interfere with colorspaces of a hardware calibrated monitor
They do not. Display Port is much better.
@@ArtIsRight although I export file in Adobe RGB mode both sRGB n Adobe RGB files appear same in Photoshop
Cable does not matter, this is a different topic all together. This will explain it th-cam.com/video/Gu1nqEf8vzg/w-d-xo.html and if the original file is the, sometime you'll see slight differences, others you might not, that is image dependent how you are editing it. If your images are mute then no so much, if your images are saturated then you'll see more.
@@ArtIsRight my graphics card is basic n doesn't hv a display port, hence connected via DVI, does it make big difference
Don't know, it is computer dependent, try it out, test it.
The hotkey works until the computer is restarted. When rebooted, the port settings and image in Display Pilot are unchecked! anyone got the same ?
See the other comment for reply, they all come into my same inbox ;)
thanks! the new update works! but the previous one I got just a few weeks ago, how the until now didn't works? so many years?
Glad it worked, also incorrect assumption, your OS version and windows update could have break this.
@@ArtIsRight NO! in the downloaded manual it says that they fixed broken settings hotkey after restart !
Either way glad it worked, so probably that specific version had that bug, as far as, all along, that would be how long that version was alive for. These software go through update cycles so it is fix and works now.
So do you know how would this play out if i was to use say a decklink mini monitor 4k card?
I do voth photo and video work.
yes calibrate your display to REC 709 with the spec that you want and then just bring the deck link into the equation after
@@ArtIsRight hmm that confuses me to be honest, arent we supposed to use adobe rgb for print and photos and then rec 709 for video..
To my understanding the decklink shows no color profile and 10bit, so we get the full built in lut of the sw321c
Maybe i just got it all wrong.
I really appreciate your time.
So Decklink offer clean HDMI out, which means no color adjustments, which means no icc profile use. For Photo yes use Adobe RGB but when using the Decklink, you should calibrate a slot on the SW display with REC 709 and the gamma setting that you want, because Decklink uses REC 709. So what you are doing is preparing the hardware calibration slot on the SW display for decklink. if you use a software calibrated display then choose REC 709 color mode if you can and just go with it.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you so much!
I am lucky enough to own a hardware one with the easy controller so i can easily switch betwin settings.
I have set them up as
1. Rec709 (for video/film)
2. Srgb (for graphics and digital design)
3. AdobeRGB (for phot editing and printing)
Once Again Thank you so very much! I have now ordered the decklink without no worries.
Also thank you for all your guides to calibration. How can I support you beside the likes and bells?
Anytime. As far as support outside of likes, I don't have a mechanism yet. I'm still debating on what to do but I appreciate the thought!
Hi Arti ,i hope you;re doing well..are you talking about HDMI 2.0 or about the older HDMI cable in this review?
2.0 and all HDMI in general, they just truncate single to make room for other signals. Bandwidth is not as wide as USB-C or TB3 or TB4
@@ArtIsRight Thanks Arti! i did check it and there is difference..i was thinking to change to HDMI because on my 2nd monitor which i have in my home studio,its not a benq display. And Its flicker free only when using HDMI
Unfortunately on this monitor my eyes get really tired especially with 10bit ..it feels like it gets way brighter and i lose details and my eyes get tired easily
Did you have this issue when using 10bit?
I have no issues with 10 bit over HDMI, you should be fine. Especially if it not a hardware calibrated display.
@@ArtIsRight thanks Arti..just one last question...now in 2020,do you still its ok to use the profile version v2 or maybe is time to move to v4
What is the real difference?
For Windows still V2, OS compatibility issues not yet resolved, on Mac V4 is fine
Hi
I have bought benq gw2293
It's yellowish any fix?
Not sure why that is happening, contact your local BenQ for support.
same here if you find any solution plz share with me
Hey, is BL2420PT software calibrated?
Yes
And hdmi is ok
@@ArtIsRight thank you very much :)
:)
Hi MR: ArtIsRight, I have Asus fx504GE i7 with Nvidia gtx 1050 ti and I have Benq PD2700U Monitor. I have a Problem's its Uses only 30 FPS in the monitor not Use 60 FPs Why? cud you answer Please.
Are you using a dongle, if you are, is your dongle or cable.a 4K60 or 4K30 cable. This effects HDMI and DP.
@@ArtIsRight No, No Dongle Use, I use This HDMI Which Come With Monitor.
I would check the port specification and possibly the driver setting. That may be what is capping it.
@@ArtIsRight HDMI 1.4 port Is This Problem Right?
It is technically supported. So I would guess it is your computer hardware or something with the software.
Jeez I thought I knew everything... ok time to change my HDMI to USB C. any USB-C recommended cables?
One that will carry the full signal. Look for one that can do display signal and high speed USB transfer, not all cables are equal, don't get USB 2 cable, many are that way. Also if your HDMI works then you don't really need to change th-cam.com/video/DWzGHX2DDdA/w-d-xo.html
Technology keeps advancing. What used to be perfectly fine yesterday is no longer adequate today. That said, I'm looking for a new monitor for photo editing and hope to use it for the next 10+ years.
Look at BenQ SW display line for Photo work. Just browse my channel for review of SW displays.
How about analog vga port?
Usually full range but I would test
@@ArtIsRight My laptop have mini dp, and vga so I connect both. Have 2 external displays.
there you go
hi i have a question
i bought a sw27c by connecting a dp port cable to my mini mac at the hdmi input it tells me there is no signal. how can I do?
So you are tell me that you are using 2 displays cables, which one is it, Display Port or HDMI, they are both different. The SW270C does not auto detect source, so what you have to do is press any button on the display and choose the corresponding input source, whether that is HDMI or Display Port.
@@ArtIsRight the cable i try to use is dport in the monitor and hdmi in the minimac
Just use a HDMI to HDMI. If you are on a Mac MP, then use Display Port to Mini Display port, no need to convert.
@@ArtIsRight Yes now I'm using HDMI. Thanks, I have a new generation mini mac it doesn't have a mini display port. But what do you think if I use USB-C to connect the monitor? Sorry for all these questions but I want to understand the differences. You know it is important to understand what is better, to improve my work. Thanks
Since your computer has a USB C and your display has a USB C you can just use 1 singular cable to link the two. Assuming that you have the SW270C and not the SW2700PT. USB C is going to be best in your situation
How to calibrate BL2420PT, Please help
@Shürhongu Kire, follow this guide th-cam.com/video/Aed02rg3wDA/w-d-xo.html
This is the guide th-cam.com/video/h_TT9O2I1b4/w-d-xo.html
This guy loves purple.
Sure do!
Best color to compare the srgb color gamut to Adobe-rgb 😉
BenQ TV mobile kanat
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If I close my eyes and just listen, it sounds like I'm listening to a female. Good video though! 👍
Thanks! I heard this my entire life ;) all good