> conflicted for a full minute whether to go below $25 for an extra reroll > finally decided to do it > negative rebate levels of getting away with it are off the charts
This is the perfect Christmas present. Thank you so much, good Doctor! I know you despise the Ante 39 grind, but I love when you demonstrate your tenacity and skill!
Doc subconsciously getting away with it even when it’s not useful > Talks about wanting Kings of Spades > 21:50 both standard packs have a King of Spades in them
A month or so back, I got an unseeded no-legendary Ante 39. In Ante 32, I had Baron, Mime, DNA, and 7 copiers, and then I rolled for Serpent all the way till Ante 39.
I'm sorry but how did this work? Even if you had a hand size of 12 with Observatory, 3 Plutos and level 100 high card that wouldn't be enough. Please elaborate. Can you link the pictures?
@@brostyletypyou must be doing the math wrong. With 6*6 steel triggers on each card, you only need around 14 cards (hand size 8… negative juggler?) to beat the Ante 32 finisher of 1e180.
@@Cloiss_ a high card (lvl 100) played with 14 red seal steel kings in hand with 4 mimes and 5 barons on plasma deck scores e168, which is not enough. You say "only need 14 cards". How are you going to get those if your hand size is 9? What brings the extra 6 cards that are needed to score more that e172?
Was just having a conversation with a friend the other day about if hitting the end of the game was possible without Perkeo but we concluded it probably wasn't possible. Very interested to see how this turns out.
It’s definitely possible. I got Baron, Mime, DNA, and 7 copiers in a run I did about a month ago, and this was enough to get e206, which is higher than the Ante 32 requirement of e180. Then, roll for Serpent all the way to Ante 39.
@@ValkyRiver that's by far not enough score e206, unless I'm using the calculator wrong. For 9 jokers (2 natural negatives, 1 antimatter) you need 1 ectoplasm, so that's a hand size of 9 with both vouchers. That gets you to e106.
Baron, Mime, DNA, and 7 copiers is 10 jokers, so you would need 2 ectoplasms. That means base hand size of 7, first hand you have 8 DNA triggers to get up to a hand size of 14, leaving 13 cards in hand after playing the scoring card. Assuming red steel kings you would want to have 5 copies of Baron and 4 copies of Mime (presumably there's enough blueprints to let us choose under ratio). Each card held in hand gives you 6 x1.5 triggers 6 times, so x1.5^36 or x2.18E6 per card in hand. 13 cards in hand gives a total of x2.57E82. Level 100 high card isn't unreasonable so that'd bump up the score to 2.57E84. Plasma Deck makes that 1.66E168. The ante 32 boss is E180, so that's still only a billionth of what's needed. A single cryptid would get you there.
@ In the run that I did, I had Antimatter, Paint Brush, and Palette, and did not use a single ectoplasm (miraculously, there was a natural negative Mime, DNA, Blueprint, and Brainstorm). Because of this, my starting hand size was 10. That would hold 16 steel cards. Each would trigger 6*6 = 36 times, and 1.5^(16*36) = 2.68e101. Plasma Deck then bumps it to 1.8e202, which is much higher than e180 (and this is only level 1 High Card). With one Ectoplasm (base hand size 9), that would still be 1.5^(15*36) = 1.23e95, and Plasma Deck would bump it up to 3.7e187. You could also use Sixth Sense of Séance to hold a Cryptid in the consumables area, and save it all the way until Ante 32 (kind of like a Juggle Tag). In this case, two Ectoplasms are fine - the Cryptid cancels out the second Ectoplasm.
@@ValkyRiver I'm still very interested to see those pictures you mentioned. Why did you not mention the DNA before and edit your comment? I mean thats super crucial information on how you achieved it. You also went from 2 natural negative copy jokers to 4 natural negative jokers. Doesn't seem very believable if you keep changing the story.
This is perfect because I just got my own perkeoless ante 39 two days ago, and I got a natural negative blueprint and brainstorm and ticket. Ante 32 is a real challenge but I bet you already have a plan, being the GOAT and all
to be fair, because of how the shops work that would have showed up in the next shop anyways, so they would have gotten it the next round either way, still got them like 100 dollars tho
I think the forklift joker would be worth a joker slot in this situation - it’s a cool option to have in the game even if it isn’t usually useful during a standard run. Balatro already has a pile of niche jokers that are useful only in certain situations, but are so fun when you can pull it off
Kinda suprised you sold the Chiclet, when you already had invisible joker and the voucher that lets you roll the boss infinitely. You could have had infinite hand size!
Was just watching the epic chiclet run now this drops. I do wonder how we reach ante 39 without perkeo. Just keep re-rolling for showman blueprint brainstorm idol?
Mostly that's just what worked out. Spade Kings can be good pre-Endless for Arrowhead, but Hearts will be better in Antes 8-18 because of Bloodstone. However, Idol really wants you to lock in as soon as you can, so it's usually best to just go with the flow take the path of least resistance.
The Brainstorm Mod is programmed to check for the Soul and to check for Mega Arcana Packs but isn't programmed to check for other qualities (such as what Jokers are in the first shop).
The Brainstorm Mod is only programmed to "search" for certain things. It can search for seeds with a given Skip Tag, which is often intended to be Charm Tag (Mega Arcana for Soul). Assuming you go for Mega Arcana Packs, it can search for seeds with a Soul. And assuming you're rerolling for Souls, it can further filter down to Perkeo specifically. But the ability to search the first shop Buffoon Pack for specific Jokers has not been implemented.
Thanks for responding! I never realized that restriction. Really excited for the full run, and definitely appreciate all the re-rolling this took. Thanks again for all the work you put in to make such great content.
We've done that run twice before, making it to Ante 39 with 40+ Hand Size and another time with 6 copies of Chicot. This time, we're going for no Legendaries, no exploits.
I can't come up with how you are going to beat the finisher blinds. Lets say you manage to get all hand size vouchers and 1 more Ectoplasm: Thats 8+2-1-2=7 starting hand size, when you can't reroll for the serpent. For Jokers you have 7 + the natural negative Brainstorm. For an optimal setup you would have 1 Mime, 1 Baron, 3 Brainstorms and 3 Blueprints. The calculator gives scores around e66 for a high card with 7 red seal steel kings in hand (actually having 1 less ectoplasm and 2 hand size more scores better: ~e72). I could imagine going for DNA to increase the hand size after the first hand, which means losing one brainstorm. So after playing your first hand you have 6 in hand + 6 copies and after playing a high card with your second hand: 11(12? not sure if you still draw one after DNA) cards in hand, which gets you to ~e90(~e100). Even a lucky natural negative Mime/Baron/Blueprint doesnt really get you that much more score. You need e179 for Ante 32, which is roughly 10 red seal steel kings more in hand. As you already sold a chicot, the bug isn't going to be at play here aswell. What am i missing?
omg a green joker!
limerick legs!
geen
> conflicted for a full minute whether to go below $25 for an extra reroll
> finally decided to do it
> negative rebate
levels of getting away with it are off the charts
Never punished!
The doc with 500$ in the bank hesitant to sell golden jimbo. They call him the greediest man in the world. Love the vids doc
He saves a little bit of money.
21:38 Hey Doc you lost a dollar here by playing the Queen into The Tooth for no reason, that’s suboptimal, probably oughta restart the run
In the astronomed club, straight up perkolating it. And by "it", well haha. Lets just say, my veanits.
Labcoat: on
Bunsens: burning
Chips: multing
Its science time
This is the perfect Christmas present. Thank you so much, good Doctor! I know you despise the Ante 39 grind, but I love when you demonstrate your tenacity and skill!
dude do you have any idea how lucky you have to be to get an ante 1 grimbo?
ikr???
23:59 I am embarrassed to say I yelled out, "YOOOOO" to myself alone in my room at this
53:33 was genuinely the nastiest card flip Balatro has ever pulled. You could just barely see that it was a six of hearts for all of 3 frames
24:00 He cannot keep getting away with it
1:13:13 this has to be the greatest getting away with it of all time
My eyebrows nearly jumped off of my forehead when he ripped the bull
24:01 MY JEALOUSY KNOWS NO BOUNDS
Doc subconsciously getting away with it even when it’s not useful
> Talks about wanting Kings of Spades
> 21:50 both standard packs have a King of Spades in them
A month or so back, I got an unseeded no-legendary Ante 39. In Ante 32, I had Baron, Mime, DNA, and 7 copiers, and then I rolled for Serpent all the way till Ante 39.
Aw! It's a shame you don't have it recorded. Would be a world first as far as I know.
@ Unfortunately, I don’t usually record runs. I only have images of the run on the Balatro Discord.
I'm sorry but how did this work? Even if you had a hand size of 12 with Observatory, 3 Plutos and level 100 high card that wouldn't be enough. Please elaborate. Can you link the pictures?
@@brostyletypyou must be doing the math wrong. With 6*6 steel triggers on each card, you only need around 14 cards (hand size 8… negative juggler?) to beat the Ante 32 finisher of 1e180.
@@Cloiss_ a high card (lvl 100) played with 14 red seal steel kings in hand with 4 mimes and 5 barons on plasma deck scores e168, which is not enough. You say "only need 14 cards". How are you going to get those if your hand size is 9? What brings the extra 6 cards that are needed to score more that e172?
oh my god, finally, this is my most anticipated run
Was just having a conversation with a friend the other day about if hitting the end of the game was possible without Perkeo but we concluded it probably wasn't possible. Very interested to see how this turns out.
It’s definitely possible. I got Baron, Mime, DNA, and 7 copiers in a run I did about a month ago, and this was enough to get e206, which is higher than the Ante 32 requirement of e180. Then, roll for Serpent all the way to Ante 39.
@@ValkyRiver
that's by far not enough score e206, unless I'm using the calculator wrong. For 9 jokers (2 natural negatives, 1 antimatter) you need 1 ectoplasm, so that's a hand size of 9 with both vouchers. That gets you to e106.
Baron, Mime, DNA, and 7 copiers is 10 jokers, so you would need 2 ectoplasms. That means base hand size of 7, first hand you have 8 DNA triggers to get up to a hand size of 14, leaving 13 cards in hand after playing the scoring card.
Assuming red steel kings you would want to have 5 copies of Baron and 4 copies of Mime (presumably there's enough blueprints to let us choose under ratio).
Each card held in hand gives you 6 x1.5 triggers 6 times, so x1.5^36 or x2.18E6 per card in hand. 13 cards in hand gives a total of x2.57E82.
Level 100 high card isn't unreasonable so that'd bump up the score to 2.57E84. Plasma Deck makes that 1.66E168.
The ante 32 boss is E180, so that's still only a billionth of what's needed. A single cryptid would get you there.
@ In the run that I did, I had Antimatter, Paint Brush, and Palette, and did not use a single ectoplasm (miraculously, there was a natural negative Mime, DNA, Blueprint, and Brainstorm). Because of this, my starting hand size was 10.
That would hold 16 steel cards. Each would trigger 6*6 = 36 times, and 1.5^(16*36) = 2.68e101. Plasma Deck then bumps it to 1.8e202, which is much higher than e180 (and this is only level 1 High Card).
With one Ectoplasm (base hand size 9), that would still be 1.5^(15*36) = 1.23e95, and Plasma Deck would bump it up to 3.7e187.
You could also use Sixth Sense of Séance to hold a Cryptid in the consumables area, and save it all the way until Ante 32 (kind of like a Juggle Tag). In this case, two Ectoplasms are fine - the Cryptid cancels out the second Ectoplasm.
@@ValkyRiver I'm still very interested to see those pictures you mentioned. Why did you not mention the DNA before and edit your comment? I mean thats super crucial information on how you achieved it. You also went from 2 natural negative copy jokers to 4 natural negative jokers. Doesn't seem very believable if you keep changing the story.
just when i thought he couldn't get luckier the bull comes charging out of the judgement card
so excited for this! I've wondered about this EXACT question
Just found this channel. I gotta say your JPEG is perfect.
I thought this was about to be the worlds greatest grimbo run
This is perfect because I just got my own perkeoless ante 39 two days ago, and I got a natural negative blueprint and brainstorm and ticket. Ante 32 is a real challenge but I bet you already have a plan, being the GOAT and all
@@bacon4953 with what joker setup did you do it? With chicot?
@@brostyletypwhy is this guy so inquisitive and suspicious 😭😭😭
what an incredibly way to wake up, I'm SO hyped for this
This series is proof that Perkeo needs to be changed and also that Perkeo shouldn't be changed
Can't believe you did all of that with your hand submerged in mayonaise
1:32:48 no respect for Family even around the holidays smh. You would rather have the photograph
23:50 NEVER PUNISHED
to be fair, because of how the shops work that would have showed up in the next shop anyways, so they would have gotten it the next round either way, still got them like 100 dollars tho
Sweet so far, I am looking forward to seeing how this all pans out.
I think the forklift joker would be worth a joker slot in this situation - it’s a cool option to have in the game even if it isn’t usually useful during a standard run. Balatro already has a pile of niche jokers that are useful only in certain situations, but are so fun when you can pull it off
Astronomer being chosen over to-do list with two brainstorms is p questionable. Love your endless runs.
1:31:12 the moment the mouse died
when the fire nation attacked
OOOO I'm excited for this!! I better get my butt in gear!! Can't wait to see how this plays out!!
if only I could’ve mastered in balatro maybe I wouldn’t have dropped out😂
Kinda suprised you sold the Chiclet, when you already had invisible joker and the voucher that lets you roll the boss infinitely. You could have had infinite hand size!
We did that run before! Twice! No Legendaries this time.
24:00 dude are you kidding me
that Rebate was insane
Woah, from one video to another…
It’s a balatro sort of day to watch the doc…
All day except for a doc’s appt…
You should get a Christmas themed avatar
1:16:00 Change of plan. This is becoming a chicot run.
Was just watching the epic chiclet run now this drops. I do wonder how we reach ante 39 without perkeo. Just keep re-rolling for showman blueprint brainstorm idol?
love the Balatro Science!
When will we be getting part 2?
how many hermits do you want early on?
Yes!
I NEED PART 2.
will steel cards seriously never matter? like by ante 39, they'd still be redundant?
man its 230 in the morning but i love plasma so im watching it
is there any reason you went for spade kings specifically or was it just picking a random suit out of the 4 available
Mostly that's just what worked out. Spade Kings can be good pre-Endless for Arrowhead, but Hearts will be better in Antes 8-18 because of Bloodstone. However, Idol really wants you to lock in as soon as you can, so it's usually best to just go with the flow take the path of least resistance.
@drspectred that makes sense, one part of my brain considered some weird mime blackboard synergy but idk if those jokers even work together like that
Have you really been restarting or did u just use the tool that searches for seeds😂
The Brainstorm Mod is programmed to check for the Soul and to check for Mega Arcana Packs but isn't programmed to check for other qualities (such as what Jokers are in the first shop).
i always get killed by ante 32 without perkeo
Couldn't you just with with high card and idle whatever it is? Brain storm on idle and Chad re triggers?
Wny did you have to manually reroll instead of using the brainstorm mod?
The Brainstorm Mod is only programmed to "search" for certain things.
It can search for seeds with a given Skip Tag, which is often intended to be Charm Tag (Mega Arcana for Soul).
Assuming you go for Mega Arcana Packs, it can search for seeds with a Soul.
And assuming you're rerolling for Souls, it can further filter down to Perkeo specifically.
But the ability to search the first shop Buffoon Pack for specific Jokers has not been implemented.
Thanks for responding! I never realized that restriction. Really excited for the full run, and definitely appreciate all the re-rolling this took. Thanks again for all the work you put in to make such great content.
Why you dont use all planet that you get?
Fool copies your last used card, so taking random Planets sometimes interrupts your Fools from copying higher quality cards.
We are so back
1:18:37 you could have tried to copy the Chiclets hand get more permanent hand size
We've done that run twice before, making it to Ante 39 with 40+ Hand Size and another time with 6 copies of Chicot. This time, we're going for no Legendaries, no exploits.
No subtitles?
Yum!
serpent time?
Were you at all thinking, keep chiclets, try get extra hand size, potentially help a baron build?
1:10:06 How is this not a two pair to set your money to 0? I followed along to this point played this exact hand and my money went to 0 lol?
It shouldn’t have gone to 0 if you played a full house. The Ox only counts exact hands, not “including 2 pair”
natural negative rebate? talk about getting away with it
I can't come up with how you are going to beat the finisher blinds.
Lets say you manage to get all hand size vouchers and 1 more Ectoplasm:
Thats 8+2-1-2=7 starting hand size, when you can't reroll for the serpent.
For Jokers you have 7 + the natural negative Brainstorm. For an optimal setup you would have 1 Mime, 1 Baron, 3 Brainstorms and 3 Blueprints. The calculator gives scores around e66 for a high card with 7 red seal steel kings in hand (actually having 1 less ectoplasm and 2 hand size more scores better: ~e72).
I could imagine going for DNA to increase the hand size after the first hand, which means losing one brainstorm. So after playing your first hand you have 6 in hand + 6 copies and after playing a high card with your second hand: 11(12? not sure if you still draw one after DNA) cards in hand, which gets you to ~e90(~e100). Even a lucky natural negative Mime/Baron/Blueprint doesnt really get you that much more score. You need e179 for Ante 32, which is roughly 10 red seal steel kings more in hand. As you already sold a chicot, the bug isn't going to be at play here aswell. What am i missing?
1 extra joker slot from antimatter
Bean :3
@@thetechnovoid let's say that extra slot I forgot is a fresh bean then that's 5 extra cards, but we need 10 :[
@@brostyletyp serpent boss?. That means additional 10-12 cards(2per discard)
@@safeuse3675 ante 32 is a big boss that cant be serpent, only the 5 at the bottom- thats why its what theyre calculating
Random idea for a joker: speedrunner joke, quality rare, gains x0,5 mult for every ante beaten in under 30 seconds. Shouldn't be that hard to code
I have really missed balatro science 🧪 let’s cook