LET'S TALK NM HISTORY - EP 10 - History and Heritage!
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- Join State Historian of New Mexico Rob Martinez for LET'S TALK NM HISTORY! State Historian Rob Martinez talks about history and heritage, and the difference between the two!
Thank you for bringing this up. It can be emotionally confusing to feel defensive when the Conquistador monuments are removed, and at the same time feel shame knowing what those Conquistadors, our ancestors, did to the Native Americans already living here. How do you balance pride in our heritage against generational guilt? I guess we have to hold those contradictions and learn to live with them. They just are. We Americans are not very good at ambiguity!
Thank you for watching. I distinguish between being proud of our heritage, which we get from our parents and grandparents, and learning about our history, which is something we should neither feel pride or shame for, rather we should learn about it and from it, and be open to all the possibilities, such as descending from both the conqueror and the conquered, which is very complicated.
Thanks to you Rob we learned our ancestors were among the first families to settle NM. We know we had gone back to the 1800s but just wow. THank you!
Hey me too! I was like Are you kidding me!! Amazing how far back we can research
Thanks
Being the Eighth Generation of a family who's first recorded ancestor was born in Old Albuquerque in the early
1700s, I have always had a feeling of closeness to New Mexico, Santa Fe, Mora and the Taos communities !!
Although things are much different, now, than when I was young, I still enjoy visiting the North Central area of
New Mexico !! I regret that much of my family is gone and the children will never have the same reverence !!
I look forward to your videos , thank you! I got into research when I completed the AncestryDNA and found most of my family in the Santa Cruz NM and northern NM but had family in Chihuahua. Now realize New Mexico was still Mexico at the time
Nuevo Mexicanos and northern Mexicans are very similar genetically. Both are predominantly Spanish, 65% and 35% Native American, on average. Really interesting history and genetics.
So glad you did this. I suggested this to you before the pandemic.. Sharing!
Very cool!
these videos are awesome! I am learning so much! thank you Rob Martinez. AND when you do a q&a that is going to be so great. will you do it on Zoom?
Thanks for watching!
This is utterly superb! I love how Professor Martinez personalizes our history.
Gracias!
Great talk 😊 thank you
Gracias
As a New Mexican going back to our “Spanish “ founding - thus far no one seems to address the “ elephant” in the room that is our mundane history . Did Spain , and later for a brief time, Mexico FOUND this three basic establishments in order for the descendants ( us/me) /you of the founding families of New Mexico to grow thrive and advance beyond our “ heritage “ ? Number 1- schools , but specifically those of higher education : None, the First collage - New Mexico State University (NMSU) was founded in 1888 as Las Cruces Collage , making it the FIRST collage in New Mexico. Number 2-
Banks/financial institutions. NONE : The First Bank National Bank of Santa Fe began operations in 1871, the bank was established in 1870. Number 3 - Hospitals- NONE, The FIRST hospital was St Vincent Hospital and Orphanage, established in 1865 by the Sisters of Charity of Cincinnati (Ohio) . Note- Background - Mexico sold New Mexico to the United States as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo , which was signed on February 2, 1848. ( Also reference- The Gadsden Purchase , 1853-1854). The “ pride” we Nuevo Mexicanos can have is the resiliency and hard working European ethic ( mostly Spanish on the paternal side ) and almost 100% Indigenous on our Maternal side, we have inherited , through ( Blood, Sweat and Tears) .
All good points, we have been neglected by Spain, then Mexico, then the USA, though finally given statehood in 1912. We are a mix, mestizo, for centuries, and are more a regional Mexican culture than anything, and of course, "Americanized" starting in 1848. Thanks for watching!
Love your content. Do you have any material on New Mexico land grants?
Where can I find in details and first hand accounts of the reconquista under Diego de Vargas?
The six volume Vargas Journals series published by UNM Press is the best source. Ed by John Kessell, Rick Hendricks and Meredith Dodge.
@@robmartinez7517 thanks, please consider doing a video on Cristoval Maria Larrañaga and the many disease that plagued colonial NM
I love enchiladas ❤
Im a Descendant of the Dominguez who came south after the revolt from Tome.
Rob~~ Maybe (just saying maybe) some day you could do a chat where we can send in our questions and you can answer what you're able to? Don't say no.... say MAYBE 😆 .. I don't mean like right now.. I mean, just one of these days? Pretty please with chili's on top? 🥰
Honestly, that is an idea I have been planning on for 2023! Yes!
@@robmartinez7517 Yay!!!! 🤗
I Agree 👍
He should do a live and answer questions. That would be so cool. Professor Martinez is a very intelligent and good speaker!
Can you do an episode on art?
hi there, my name is Cory Montes, so i mine turquoise here in southern new mexico and my grandfather mined silver out here and so on hahaha it would be awesome if you could talk about the history of turquoise here in new mexico, ive researched into it but can ony find stuff from 1900 and onward but i know the spanish were mining the stuff because ive found old hatchitas y torneos while mining.
Hi, do you do any thing with New Mexican family names as in Geneology?
Yes.
@@robmartinez7517 I am looking for help and am willing to pay your fee please
@@NORTHERNKINGDOMPROPHETS I am way too busy as state historian. Contact the New Mexico Genealogical Society, they can help. Also on FB go ti the Genealogy of New Mexico page.
@@robmartinez7517 thanks
Can you talk more about Mexican indigenous people in NM
Here you go: th-cam.com/video/W4ZRsvEvBiQ/w-d-xo.html
What's the best source for info on the missions Indians? My family moved to abiquiu in the late 1750s and the father of that ancestor came from San Felipe mission before thet period . How do I find my mission indian ancestors ???
Check out Mission of New Mexico by Adams and Chavez, a 1776 report on the missions by fray Atanasio Dominguez. John Kessell's Kiva Cross and Crown about Pecos is very good, as is his Missions of New Mexico Since 1776. As far as ancestors, that can be challenging, though not impossible if you can find them in church or civil documents.
@@robmartinez7517 awesome thanks so much for the valuable info , new mexico has such a beautiful history glad to have people like you to help people like me know about our roots
I have several gggggreat grandmother's who were married and lived in Abiquiu during the 1750s listed as poor orphans or parents unknown, is this an indication they could have been Genizaro ? My family has obviously high amount of indian blood and have always known we have idian but not from which tribe , they lived in abiquiu for at least 4 generations about 10 direct lines descendants also in San miguel del bado , am I safe to assume we could possibly have Genizaro heritage and that's why they trib is not known ?
They did it to Sicily too
Just one thing to mention. You are right, there is a dark part of the Spanish entrepreneurs in the World but if we compare them with the logic of that time with other colonial powers. There wasn't a policy from the Spanish to eliminates natives. I can tell you that Brits, Belgiums and other had in place policies for example to don't mix with natives and in the case of the future US even eliminate the natives. "Good indian is a dead indian". That is not coming from the Spaniards. For example I invite you to learn about the marriage of Beatriz Clara Coya, an Inca's princes in the 1500's.
The encomiendas were abolished by the Spanish king Charles 1st in 1542. No new encomiendas were allowed and the existing ones would disappear when the existing encomenderos died. The King passed this Laws because he knew that Native Americans were often abused, since he received complains from people like Bartolomé de las Casas. Of course I do not know if these laws passed by the king were obeyed by the Vicerois of Nueva España. What I mean is that the Spanish Crown cared for the Native Indians, and they were considered Spanish citizens from the beginning. Some years ago I felt really ashamed of Spanish history, but lately, the more I know, the more I like what I learn. The Spanish were definitely not the worst.... Maybe I am wrong and too biased towards the "white legend" but this is how I feel.... Congratulations on your videos, If I ever go to the United States, I will go to New Mexico, and enjoy the Fiesta!!!!