Another similarity is vegapunk saying there has been an ongoing war in secrecy for 800 years, whereas no one knew the raid on onigashima was going on during their festival.
This fits with my theory that the term king of the pirates is a misunderstanding/mistranslation, and actually the term is "the pirate king" and instead of meaning king of pirates, it means the king who was a pirate
Imagine if Gol D Roger was actually royalty in his homeland(not sure if the island Loguetown was in had a king) but decided to be a pirate instead. That would really add to his words to refuse Shiki's offer and may explain why the World Government hid Roger's family name of Gol. Remember they didn't remove his D on his poster but merged it with his family name. Perhaps his family were important.
Stretching more than luffy on this one. As far as we know joyboy was never known as the pirate king, and the one person we know who was is not known to have been a king of any sort beforehand. I'd be glad to be wrong but I dont see it.
@@ReiseLukas if his family was important many others would have known his family name and wouldnt have made the mistranslation of Gold for Gol D. very doubtful Roger was of royal blood.
The fact that Joyboy was the "first pirate" implies that freedom was restricted even in the Ancient Kingdom. Maybe the D clan aren't the good guys either and perhaps it was overthrown because of its evil. The World Government could've started as good and spiraled down to what it is now.
It says nowhere that people weren’t allowed to sail the seas. He was labeled a pirate for his actions while sailing the seas, they were seen as crimes.
Wow that's actually a good theory. I mean why would 20 kingdoms agree to unite to take down one kingdom? Because that one kingdom is evil and a threat to the rest of the world.
If the Void Century flashback truly parallels Oden's, then I feel really bad for Toki as she would have had to experience basically the same events twice.
i agree with your points Morj, although i just simply wouldn’t bet on Joy Boy’s story to be an absolute mirror of only Oden’s story. More like, we’ve gone through so many arcs and various motives like to repeat themselves over and over. I would bet that Void Century/Joy Boy’s story is going to be a mixed culmination of everything we’ve experienced throughout Luffy’s story so far. It’s a spiral
So would you say nobody else was sailing the seas before Joyboy including the other kingdoms? If so for what reason?. What if Poseidon ruled the seas at the time of Joyboy, controlling the Sea Kings to dominate them. It would interesting if Joyboy, born with the original Voice of All Things, was able to communicate and become an ally of Poseidon to then freely sail the seas. The new freedom as the first Pirate allowed him to become an ally of Zunesha too who nobody would have seen before if they weren't exploring the seas. Wano was closed off for a reason derived from the time of Joyboy, but there must have been a huge reason to deny sea travel for the Ancient Kingdom.
@Nightsu Sure, but if he's the first pirate, who else sailed the seas? We don't have enough information but the first implies no one else was doing it before them. So we have no idea about the sea levels or anything but have been told that the levels rose. I can only think for now that there were large land masses that made sea travel unnecessary until more information is revealed.
I think when vegapunk says that joyboy is the first person to take to the seas i think he means that Joyboy was the first person to conquer the seas and travelled all over the world since if u reread only vegapunk's dialouge in 1115 u get a feel that Vegapunk is trying to say that Joyboy was only labeled a Pirate once he spread his counter ideology to his group or allies which must of been international or globally making them pirates too which the 20 Kings feared his influence, the ancient kingdom would only be a secondary threat due to them making the ancient weapons and possibly devil fruits
@@jimbeam-ru1my yea you proved my point there were already sailors on the seas a millenia ago and some criminals too ofc but Joyboy was the first to get the label of pirate, morj theory isnt wrong per se as i thought the exact same during chapter 1114 its just that vegapunk gave more context to it in 1115 while still being vague glossing over things
Joy boy was the king and when he took to the sea everybody fought for the throne and when he intervened they fought against him and then decided that nobody rules so the empty throne for everyone to be equal and not to cause fights within the kingdom
I have always thought that Joy Boy was a Kozuki, and that is the reason why Oda intertwines the panels of Joyboy's return with those of Hiyori saying that Kozukis always keep their promises.
Addung to this: Elbaf was probably still an island back in the days of the supercontinent, and Joyboy traveled to it and established himself as a legend after defeating numerous Giant warriors. He also battled Sea Kings hand to hand, flooring the expectations of everyone because only powerful battleships could hope to cobtend with them. He also fought the creatures who are now known as the Gorosei. Joyboys journey was likely similar to Luffys, except instead of trying to find the One Piece, he was sailing all over, fighting everyone who would dare try to match his strength.
Joyboy is like Noland, and the ancient kingdom is like Shandora. Imu was like Enel, commanding the 20 kingdoms like Endel did with skypia. The 5 elders are the priests. It would imply Imu destroyed his home land like Enel did, maybe the moon, somehow rendering it inhospitable. He more or less does the same to the One piece world right now, rising water levels and all.
The sea kings probably played a part as to why Joyboy was the first pirate. Maybe the seas were unable to be safely sailed because of the sea kings but Joyboy and ancient Shirahoshi changed that somehow and opened up the sea for safe travel, at least for them.
I think the D is just a symbol just like the half moon that was on the feet of the kozuki supporters. Might seem really really REALLY silly, but, The first names of the people with D. in their names are the names of Joyboy's vassals (Jaguar, Trafalgar, Marshall, Gol, Portgas, etc.) If we follow the whole inherited will thing, then it makes sense that as support grew, others took on the D. in their name, the same way the kozuki supporters took the half moon symbol in show of support/allegiance.
This is a solid theory, especially knowing what we know about the Ancient Kingdom being submerged; it parallels old Wano being submerged under current Wano
I never saw Joy Boy as a king or representative of the ancient kingdom. The reason why he's always connected to it in our point of view is because he wrote the Poneglyph which is the only remaining object that wasn't removed from the void century. But I do feel like he could be an Oden like character who is an innate leader and might have gotten the King role after he set out as a pirate.
Loved this video and a lot of Morj’s points have been my head cannon for a while, however, I can’t help but think maybe JB was like Sabo and Imu was like Stelly and Imu’s plan is pretty much Gray Terminal, but on a global scale.
I believe the D clan had the ability to turn dreams to devil fruits like the other technology vegapunk can’t replicate. Which would tie in to joyboy being the first pirate and someone somehow cursing him to die by sea. I posted this before finishing the video so I don’t forget, might delete later idk lol
I think this is a good theory and I think you can take it even further. The name “joyboy” itself. Why would someone be named that? It’s seems odd, but looking at Oden’s story, you can see how one could get that nickname. Similar to Oden who was convinced by Orochi to dance naked in the Flower Capital, I believe JoyBoy did something similar. After a while, he became a laughingstock because he was always so happy and nicknamed him joy boy. Then by the time of his death, people realized what he was doing and cried/laughed at his execution. You can even throw in Yasuie’s story in here too. His joyous good nature, what he meant to his village, and at his execution he died laughing…and the entire crowd laughed in grief.
i like this theory cause you can also draw a lot of parallels to sabos story, he was raised as a noble and ran away to become a pirate, met luffy and ace and tried to set sail
Something is clearly missing here. How is joyboy the first pirate when vegapunk clearly says there were multiple continents and that they were much more advanced than the present day. If that is true sea trading and people wanting to attack the trade ships would have been there already. Another thing to consider what did joyboy want to discover what was the allure that made him go to sea. I think in joyboys time there were legends just as present day and that something very big had happened before that made sea travel almost impossible. I think vegapunk is Missing a huge piece about the history before joyboy's time a history if a time where there were pirats and sea trade but then something thing big happened and it all stopped and tge first one to try again was joyboy.
10:26 if we are paralleling 'Dawn of the World'/Will of D. to 'Open Wano's Border'/Will of Kozuki then could Kanjuro a parallel to the "Evil" D's like Blackbeard and (maybe) Rocks ?
There’s also the interesting parallel of opening Wano’s borders and the theory that Luffy will eventually have to tear down the red line. Both would involve tearing down a massive landmass to remove water from the land (Old Wano and the flooded One piece world). Love the video, I bet there’s a ton more connections to be made.
I find it significantly more likely that the story of Joyboy is going to parallel the Kuma flashback moreso than the Oden one. Kuma was a pirate, a priest, a king, a revolutionary, and a buccaneer. No character could possibly be a better parallel besides Luffy.
pluton being built in an already extant water 7 by advanced shipwrights during the void century indicates there was definitely some access to sailing during it
Lovely analysis. I would add that the story of Oden is a story of misunderstanding as he acted righteously but never cared to correct and share his side of the story which seems to be close to what JoyBoy storymight be and the poneglyyphthe attempt of telling his side.
Kidd ain't even interesting anymore, he sucks, his power sucks, hell even his crew except Killer suck, bois got whopped twice already, he can't contest Chopper, so no rival for Luffy, let it go, let's forget about Kidd and the terrible writing
@@Harinjo916Everything you just said applies to you and the kidd haters. Me, Moriah, and many others want to see Kidd realize his potential instead of being a wasted character.
@@walterholyfield3203 You took it too personally, first signs of being immature. I am just stating facts, nothing I said is false, well maybe about his power since it's subjective but realistically it kinda does suck, but yeah. Whatever, kiddo
@@Harinjo916 You took it personal young one maybe you got too emotional? You under the original comment hating and I told you your opinion isnt the majority. Take it how you want it but dont paint me as upset cause you are scrub😂🤯
Joy boy was a traveling merchant. Trading goods and ideas. And when the land he traveled was covered by the sea, he continued nonetheless, as a pirate.
brooo listen to my THEORY!!! one piece needs to be activated by gear 5 - Roger pirates laughed because to activate one piece it needs to hear joyboys laugh and Roger and everyone laughed to check whether they are joyboys or not and since they weren't joyboy so their laughed didn't activated it( just like how iron giant gets activated and gear 5 always laughs) his laugh is the key!!
Luffy is Joy Boy. At the end of the series Luffy gets teleported back into the past to stop the 800 year rule of the WG but in effect creates himself. That’s how Oda and his partner know the rebellion/dawn will happen in 20 years
@@nathanking2098 exactly my thoughts! There is this consistent trend of parallel or opposites so I’d imagine it’s sort of a butterfly effect meets AOT thing
I wouldn’t say we heard about the dawn only in wano it started being enforced since like zou with the minks. And u also have symbolic stuff like the sunny
Strong insight about Oden and Joy Boy. Fits really well, makes a lot of sense to me. Also I interpret it as there was clear interference, but I also think Oden realized Kaido would have eventually beaten him anways, but just imo.
What if someone has to go back in time to Void Century to help create the Will of D and prepare to end the war for Dawn. That's why there is a specific date and year known for JoyBoys return. And this doesn't create any paradoxes because of the void century itself, the person going back has no idea what happens in that time and cannot change it (besides what they are meant to change). Maybe the story thats in Laughtale even told Roger pirates to not spoil it for Joyboy.
Have yall notice in every arc theres one character who betrays luffy then apologizes as well? Mr.2, Ussop, nami,sanji, and so on think about it they do it because they got no choice but then realized their mistakes. II have more to add to this theory that proves it right. My background 11 years worth of rereading the manga and show. I go deep as well nice to see common fellas!
Something to add to this is that it goes with how the ancient kingdom likely isn’t just “the good guys”. The Kozuki caused orocchis clan to be so bitter by treating them Terribly for years if I remember correctly. The ancient kingdom could have been rather oppressive and generally unhelpful to the other kingdoms which caused the 20 kings to resent them.
There's a brilliant parrallel between Ace and his father Roger as well, Ace went to Wano even before Luffy BUT IT WAS TOO SOON FOR HIM, he gave Tama and Yamato hope that someone was coming along, and finally Luffy did. And just as Ace was a bit too soon to fulfill Oden's will, Roger was a generation too early to fulfil Joyboy's. Roger heralded Luffy's arrival, left behind Rayleigh as a guide for Luffy, juslike Ace was the reason Yamato acted as Luffy's guide. That would be so poetic man, full circle and in his own microcosmic sense Roger ended up mirroring his son in helping Luffy out.
This is partly why I'm hoping that Imu is a pushover like Orochi. Someone who has a really powerful ability but lacks any real finesse with it. Like the Elder Stars would be the Kaido in the analogy.
I always believed that Oden knew of Kaido defeat because he knew JoyBoy would be back in 20 years. And for him to be back he’ll need the ancient weapons. I think oden thought he’d be the one to open the borders but once he realized he was gonna die he knew it was gonna be someone else and for that to happen Kaido would have to be defeated. Toki’s words are of the SH for the final battle not the Wano final battle. Love the full circle moment with this connection.
Looking forward to this. I’m really curious to see how Oda will connect all of this information together. Because if done well( like he’s doing so far), One Piece might actually buck the trend of a lot of Shonen jump titles in having a good ending. The one series where I felt like it ended strong enough for me to want to go back was Zatch Bell or Gatch Bell.
If the world was One Piece, there probably wouldn't be much reason for anyone to have a boat in the first place, perhaps some riverboats for transport, but none that could handle the sea. Whoever lead the first boat that could handle it, would easily be pointed as the first pirate. Also I think the brain brain fruit is quite important here, Joyboy most certainly had someone in his crew with the devil fruit. While I got no clue what that implies, I think it's an important piece of the puzzle.
The fact that Rodger left “everything the world has to offer” has such a deeper meaning now. The One Piece being left by Joy Boy means that it contains riches from the PRE FLOOD era. Also the term “Pirate King” or “King of the Pirates” means so much more of Joy Boy was a king and a pirate. Taking a guess but maybe the ancient kingdom was named Pirate or maybe the people of this kingdom were named “Pirates” and its land consisted of all the oceans with a Hachinosu type hub island being the actual ‘Ancient Kingdom’
It would be better if Joy Boy wasn't a royalty, but freed Ancient kingdom from a corrupt ruler, becoming both a pirate and a kingdom's hero in the process. There should be more "liberation" vibes for a person who awakened Nika fruit
I think what you've said is possible, as oda has done this sort of repeating pattern before. I'd add that in my view before joyboy there was something in the world blocking pirates from being created: There used to be 1 huge supercontinent and the seas were unsafe, joyboy was the first one to sail. Maybe the seas were created by the use of Uranus and as an answer Poseidon and Pluton were created, thus they were the first "illegal" people on the sea.
What if JoyBoy discovered something behind the scenes and noticed something was going on in the kingdom? What if he himself, noticed the water levels rising and set out to find out what was going on? Then returned after discovering something important but it was too late.
Very interesting! One can draw such parallels for every 'failed' JoyBoy in the story, including Kozuki, Roger, Vegapunk, etc. There was never a 'successful' JoyBoy before Luffy - I think.
Saw this vid getting flamed on r/memepiece and was expecting it to be bad but this is a good video. Why is everyone crying about it? Is it the fan art or the theory? Either way seems weird.
Other similarities not mentioned: Kozuki Oden's followers had a symbol to stealthily show their alegiance to the Kozuki's = Moon Could be the same with Joyboy's allies = D After Oden loses, Wano is ruled over by a Dragon After Joyboy loses, the world is ruled over by Dragons (Tenryuubito)
Saying faction seems to clearly show (to me) that JoyBoy and Imu were once of the same unit or group and feels like JoyBoy wanted to have adventures and Imu wanted to follow the regular order. Feels almost like a Luffy and Coby thing. Something just went drastically wrong..
The theory that i came up with is that the one piece is just an poneglyph which has written about the journey of the joyboy and his crew every thing that has happend while the whole crew was travelling and all the funny stuffs just like the ones that we laughed at when funny things happend with straw hat pirates and thats why rager and the rest of the crew laughed so hard and at the end of the poneglyph they wrote about every thing happend to the whole crew and most likely the one who wrote thing on that poneglyph died on the laughtale island and thats why he was able to write about every thing about the void century thats why roger and his crew knew about the void century and the fact they all laughed so hard was because of all the funny stuffs happed to the joyboys crew while they were travelling which could be the main reason why roger said that he wished he could have been able to live as the same era as you joyboy. Well that concludes my theory about the one piece
Maybe haki is also somehow related to inherited will. For example it could be that the straw hat has a strong coating of haki just like swords. Due to the coating, it doesnt get damaged easily. I mean the straw hat has literally been through fire - marineford, boro breath by kaido etc and never burned. I hope that it is not just a plot hole. This could extend to other things like doffy's glasses. The only time that I recall that the straw hat has been significantly damaged was by buggy. Makes me think if buggy's haki is also somehow related to the straw hat.
To add to this, you could say that Wano further showcases Wano because A. Wano also has a tyrannical ruler, afraid of somebody stronger (and freeer) then himself coming to undermine his authority and undo the revenge he has plotted. B) the scabbards and the likely allies of Joyboy failed, and feel apologetic. No crew that all fought their hardest has ever felt apologetic. Example Shank’s crew are all stoic. The same can be said for Roger’s crew. Rayleigh has “failed” but simultaneously he knows that it simply wasn’t his time and he never did anything to get in Roger’s way. Meanwhile the scabbards could not stand besides and convince their lewder to stand up, they couldnt protect him and give back the ciurage that he once gave them. Similarly the WB pirates, all being young, “children” of WB, and not strong enough, similarly all feel kinda bad for Marine Ford. Here it was again his own crew that did not “stand by him” in the sense that they did not have the same unwavering conviction as him. I believe in the end the strawhats will stand by Luffy when he himself begins to lose hope and possinly even lose some of that gear 5 magic. This moment will (in my head) be instigated by Ussopp, concluding his character arc. This is why he had to CLEARLY remain a coward until that moment. A single moment so big it makes you almost happy you had to wait so long to get it.
What if everyone in the Ancient Kingdom were cursed by the Sea like Devil Users? Maybe Devil Fruits were produced there and everyone had them. Their society could have deemed the seas to be "unsafe" kind of like how the Celestial Dragons wear a Scuba Tank to "dive" into the unsafe land below the Red Line. Joyboy could have been the first Devil Fruit user to decide to brave the seas anyway.
funny because in your last theorie you mentionned that luffy is the representation of bajong (something like that), in the myth of bajong, he lift a city in order to put it on a mountain. Wich is somewhat what momonosuke did with the kaido island. If we link both theorie then momonosuke is the receptacle of Oden will, wich is the receptacle of Joy boy will. So joyboy will made momonosuke lift a nisland, exactly like in baharogan myth wich is in itself linked to luffy. My bad my english is bad but i think you understand where i am going.
sorta makes me think of the reasoning behind joyboy's apology to fishman island. since wano ended, i had always wondered the reasoning plot-wise as to why wano's borders should still be shut even despite it being such a major part of oden's will. of course i understand momonosuke's reasoning -- he wants to protect it from the dangers of the outside world for now. maybe that's a similar reason to why joyboy never brought the fishmen to the surface using the noah? the world outside (particularly the 20 kingdoms' alliance) was still too discriminatory to fishmen and it would have ultimately put them in major danger until he was capable of winning the war, which was something that was never fulfilled, obviously. the fishmen keeping noah intact coulda been cus they were aware joyboy would return, i imagine
All of this fan art depicts Joy Boy as this badass Luffy clone. Watch Oda draw him as a weird ugly giant or something
preach brother
Joyboy I think will be a monkey Mink, looking like Sun Wukong
Its most likely gonna be jarring and im here for it
Who else has "D" and "Black" in their name? Demaro Black, fake Joyboy. Real JB probably looks like that.
Joy Boy might not even be a dude 😂
this is the closest we will get to a Wano Analysis video, folks
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I still have hope it'll be out before One Piece ends 🙌
Another similarity is vegapunk saying there has been an ongoing war in secrecy for 800 years, whereas no one knew the raid on onigashima was going on during their festival.
Also, Luffy never wants credit for being a "good" pirate. He's just destabilize these countries for the fun of it.
@@brutechieftain9321no, he doesn't want credit for being a hero.
@Coltshero so you're saying the dawn of the world will fail?
@@ReiseLukas because a hero needs to share his food xD
Yes it's based on our world. Just do a little research on mitras and you will know.
This fits with my theory that the term king of the pirates is a misunderstanding/mistranslation, and actually the term is "the pirate king" and instead of meaning king of pirates, it means the king who was a pirate
Imagine if Gol D Roger was actually royalty in his homeland(not sure if the island Loguetown was in had a king) but decided to be a pirate instead.
That would really add to his words to refuse Shiki's offer and may explain why the World Government hid Roger's family name of Gol. Remember they didn't remove his D on his poster but merged it with his family name. Perhaps his family were important.
Damn I hadn't thought about that
Stretching more than luffy on this one. As far as we know joyboy was never known as the pirate king, and the one person we know who was is not known to have been a king of any sort beforehand. I'd be glad to be wrong but I dont see it.
@@ReiseLukas if his family was important many others would have known his family name and wouldnt have made the mistranslation of Gold for Gol D. very doubtful Roger was of royal blood.
Then the pirate king is the guy who can charge his punch with shadow boxing.
He always comes in clutch when im bouta eat
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I was just sitting down and saw "uploaded 4 minutes ago" lol
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Joy Boy and Oden mirroring each other's lives would be so satisfying to read.
The fact that Joyboy was the "first pirate" implies that freedom was restricted even in the Ancient Kingdom. Maybe the D clan aren't the good guys either and perhaps it was overthrown because of its evil. The World Government could've started as good and spiraled down to what it is now.
It says nowhere that people weren’t allowed to sail the seas. He was labeled a pirate for his actions while sailing the seas, they were seen as crimes.
Wow that's actually a good theory. I mean why would 20 kingdoms agree to unite to take down one kingdom? Because that one kingdom is evil and a threat to the rest of the world.
i mean we can sail the seas but we not pirates
“Raid will fail” was just a ruse to hide the fact that you have future sight fr
If the Void Century flashback truly parallels Oden's, then I feel really bad for Toki as she would have had to experience basically the same events twice.
I have a theory that Toki is actually Nefratari D Lily
@@Metronomical3 where are the supporting details of this "theory"? otherwise, this is just an abstract notion.
@@shr1nkEXP bro hes just throwing ideas out there its pretty reasonable
@@mochaqjava I didnt say it was unreasonable. Just being informative by clarifying the difference between the two brotha ;)
@@shr1nkEXP theory in general conversation doesnt have to have evidence or supporting details
i agree with your points Morj, although i just simply wouldn’t bet on Joy Boy’s story to be an absolute mirror of only Oden’s story. More like, we’ve gone through so many arcs and various motives like to repeat themselves over and over.
I would bet that Void Century/Joy Boy’s story is going to be a mixed culmination of everything we’ve experienced throughout Luffy’s story so far. It’s a spiral
So would you say nobody else was sailing the seas before Joyboy including the other kingdoms? If so for what reason?.
What if Poseidon ruled the seas at the time of Joyboy, controlling the Sea Kings to dominate them. It would interesting if Joyboy, born with the original Voice of All Things, was able to communicate and become an ally of Poseidon to then freely sail the seas. The new freedom as the first Pirate allowed him to become an ally of Zunesha too who nobody would have seen before if they weren't exploring the seas.
Wano was closed off for a reason derived from the time of Joyboy, but there must have been a huge reason to deny sea travel for the Ancient Kingdom.
The simple answer is that there was a lot of land so they may not have had seas to sail as vast as now.
@@rensten4893 This was the time of Joyboy before the sea levels rose. And even then any sea no matter how big would be sailed for trade routes.
@Nightsu Sure, but if he's the first pirate, who else sailed the seas? We don't have enough information but the first implies no one else was doing it before them. So we have no idea about the sea levels or anything but have been told that the levels rose. I can only think for now that there were large land masses that made sea travel unnecessary until more information is revealed.
I think when vegapunk says that joyboy is the first person to take to the seas i think he means that Joyboy was the first person to conquer the seas and travelled all over the world since if u reread only vegapunk's dialouge in 1115 u get a feel that Vegapunk is trying to say that Joyboy was only labeled a Pirate once he spread his counter ideology to his group or allies which must of been international or globally making them pirates too which the 20 Kings feared his influence, the ancient kingdom would only be a secondary threat due to them making the ancient weapons and possibly devil fruits
@@jimbeam-ru1my yea you proved my point there were already sailors on the seas a millenia ago and some criminals too ofc but Joyboy was the first to get the label of pirate, morj theory isnt wrong per se as i thought the exact same during chapter 1114 its just that vegapunk gave more context to it in 1115 while still being vague glossing over things
Joy boy was the king and when he took to the sea everybody fought for the throne and when he intervened they fought against him and then decided that nobody rules so the empty throne for everyone to be equal and not to cause fights within the kingdom
I have always thought that Joy Boy was a Kozuki, and that is the reason why Oda intertwines the panels of Joyboy's return with those of Hiyori saying that Kozukis always keep their promises.
That would be cool as fuck
Addung to this: Elbaf was probably still an island back in the days of the supercontinent, and Joyboy traveled to it and established himself as a legend after defeating numerous Giant warriors. He also battled Sea Kings hand to hand, flooring the expectations of everyone because only powerful battleships could hope to cobtend with them. He also fought the creatures who are now known as the Gorosei. Joyboys journey was likely similar to Luffys, except instead of trying to find the One Piece, he was sailing all over, fighting everyone who would dare try to match his strength.
One piece didn’t existed when he was around
He created it
Definitely the best joy boy video ive seen, you got me hyped
Joyboy is like Noland, and the ancient kingdom is like Shandora. Imu was like Enel, commanding the 20 kingdoms like Endel did with skypia. The 5 elders are the priests. It would imply Imu destroyed his home land like Enel did, maybe the moon, somehow rendering it inhospitable. He more or less does the same to the One piece world right now, rising water levels and all.
moon.... or sun? nika is the sun god after all
Odens the key to all this. We just have to get this character to work
-George Oda
Great theory Morj man
The sea kings probably played a part as to why Joyboy was the first pirate. Maybe the seas were unable to be safely sailed because of the sea kings but Joyboy and ancient Shirahoshi changed that somehow and opened up the sea for safe travel, at least for them.
I think the D is just a symbol just like the half moon that was on the feet of the kozuki supporters. Might seem really really REALLY silly, but, The first names of the people with D. in their names are the names of Joyboy's vassals (Jaguar, Trafalgar, Marshall, Gol, Portgas, etc.) If we follow the whole inherited will thing, then it makes sense that as support grew, others took on the D. in their name, the same way the kozuki supporters took the half moon symbol in show of support/allegiance.
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To go even further, what if it isn't a D. What if it's a smile?
Unless I see Law smile I won't believe he's a vassal.
most likely gona be reminiscent of alabasta with mr 0 as imu and vivi as joyboy becoming a pirate
This is a solid theory, especially knowing what we know about the Ancient Kingdom being submerged; it parallels old Wano being submerged under current Wano
Yes, joyboy's raid failed 😂😂
I never saw Joy Boy as a king or representative of the ancient kingdom. The reason why he's always connected to it in our point of view is because he wrote the Poneglyph which is the only remaining object that wasn't removed from the void century. But I do feel like he could be an Oden like character who is an innate leader and might have gotten the King role after he set out as a pirate.
Loved this video and a lot of Morj’s points have been my head cannon for a while, however, I can’t help but think maybe JB was like Sabo and Imu was like Stelly and Imu’s plan is pretty much Gray Terminal, but on a global scale.
I believe the D clan had the ability to turn dreams to devil fruits like the other technology vegapunk can’t replicate. Which would tie in to joyboy being the first pirate and someone somehow cursing him to die by sea. I posted this before finishing the video so I don’t forget, might delete later idk lol
No but actually you’re fucking insane for that thumbnail Morj
A man getting crucified... Brutal
I agree
Hahaha who y’alls panties in a bunch. Wooow a man getting crucified just like many many MANY other ppl show.
Blasphemy
Why? It's paralleling the second coming of Christ according to Christian canon. Oda likes parallels with various religions.
I think this is a good theory and I think you can take it even further. The name “joyboy” itself. Why would someone be named that? It’s seems odd, but looking at Oden’s story, you can see how one could get that nickname. Similar to Oden who was convinced by Orochi to dance naked in the Flower Capital, I believe JoyBoy did something similar. After a while, he became a laughingstock because he was always so happy and nicknamed him joy boy. Then by the time of his death, people realized what he was doing and cried/laughed at his execution. You can even throw in Yasuie’s story in here too. His joyous good nature, what he meant to his village, and at his execution he died laughing…and the entire crowd laughed in grief.
i like this theory cause you can also draw a lot of parallels to sabos story, he was raised as a noble and ran away to become a pirate, met luffy and ace and tried to set sail
Something is clearly missing here. How is joyboy the first pirate when vegapunk clearly says there were multiple continents and that they were much more advanced than the present day.
If that is true sea trading and people wanting to attack the trade ships would have been there already.
Another thing to consider what did joyboy want to discover what was the allure that made him go to sea.
I think in joyboys time there were legends just as present day and that something very big had happened before that made sea travel almost impossible. I think vegapunk is Missing a huge piece about the history before joyboy's time a history if a time where there were pirats and sea trade but then something thing big happened and it all stopped and tge first one to try again was joyboy.
10:26 if we are paralleling 'Dawn of the World'/Will of D. to 'Open Wano's Border'/Will of Kozuki then could Kanjuro a parallel to the "Evil" D's like Blackbeard and (maybe) Rocks ?
There’s also the interesting parallel of opening Wano’s borders and the theory that Luffy will eventually have to tear down the red line. Both would involve tearing down a massive landmass to remove water from the land (Old Wano and the flooded One piece world). Love the video, I bet there’s a ton more connections to be made.
I find it significantly more likely that the story of Joyboy is going to parallel the Kuma flashback moreso than the Oden one. Kuma was a pirate, a priest, a king, a revolutionary, and a buccaneer. No character could possibly be a better parallel besides Luffy.
just as it was uploaded
Beat me to it lol
What happened
Keep the thumbnail. Don't listen to comments Morj.
So Joyboy was 100 years old if he was born 900 years ago and died at the end of the void century 800 years ago right? Could support the giant theory.
pluton being built in an already extant water 7 by advanced shipwrights during the void century indicates there was definitely some access to sailing during it
this thumbnail is wild LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lovely analysis.
I would add that the story of Oden is a story of misunderstanding as he acted righteously but never cared to correct and share his side of the story which seems to be close to what JoyBoy storymight be and the poneglyyphthe attempt of telling his side.
Was waiting on this one
We need a Eustass Kidd video. Jika will be returning during the Elbaf arc and receive peak development! We believe in the damned one
Kidd ain't even interesting anymore, he sucks, his power sucks, hell even his crew except Killer suck, bois got whopped twice already, he can't contest Chopper, so no rival for Luffy, let it go, let's forget about Kidd and the terrible writing
@@Harinjo916Everything you just said applies to you and the kidd haters. Me, Moriah, and many others want to see Kidd realize his potential instead of being a wasted character.
@@walterholyfield3203 You took it too personally, first signs of being immature. I am just stating facts, nothing I said is false, well maybe about his power since it's subjective but realistically it kinda does suck, but yeah. Whatever, kiddo
@@Harinjo916 You took it personal young one maybe you got too emotional? You under the original comment hating and I told you your opinion isnt the majority. Take it how you want it but dont paint me as upset cause you are scrub😂🤯
@@Harinjo916 hes coming back after the demaro black foreshadowing.
Joy boy was a traveling merchant. Trading goods and ideas. And when the land he traveled was covered by the sea, he continued nonetheless, as a pirate.
That thumbnail is insane
brooo listen to my THEORY!!!
one piece needs to be activated by gear 5 - Roger pirates laughed because to activate one piece it needs to hear joyboys laugh and Roger and everyone laughed to check whether they are joyboys or not and since they weren't joyboy so their laughed didn't activated it( just like how iron giant gets activated and gear 5 always laughs) his laugh is the key!!
Were the shimotsoki pirates? Cause they left before oden
Morj you did it again!!
Wouldn't the Shimotsuki be the first pirates since they founded the village in east blue? 55 years before the main story arc
Any reason why Roger couldn’t ask Toki to send him forward in time 20 years?
Luffy is Joy Boy. At the end of the series Luffy gets teleported back into the past to stop the 800 year rule of the WG but in effect creates himself. That’s how Oda and his partner know the rebellion/dawn will happen in 20 years
We've already seen a future fruit, maybe there's one that lets you go back in time?
@@nathanking2098 exactly my thoughts! There is this consistent trend of parallel or opposites so I’d imagine it’s sort of a butterfly effect meets AOT thing
Could the "great crime" Zunesha referred to on Wano be the desertion of the ancient kingdom to set out to sea alongside Joyboy?
I wouldn’t say we heard about the dawn only in wano it started being enforced since like zou with the minks. And u also have symbolic stuff like the sunny
TH-camrs have this uncanny ability to turn a 1 second sentence into a 20 minute long essay video. I needed this back in college.
Joyboy may have had a little brother who started the kozuki lineage
So morj Kaido was a giant serpent/dragon but specifically the fish fish fruit. This makes me think even more Imu is Jormungandr
The thing that excites me is that we will see this in the next few years…
Moj deserve atleast 500k his theory is just fire
Strong insight about Oden and Joy Boy. Fits really well, makes a lot of sense to me. Also I interpret it as there was clear interference, but I also think Oden realized Kaido would have eventually beaten him anways, but just imo.
What if someone has to go back in time to Void Century to help create the Will of D and prepare to end the war for Dawn. That's why there is a specific date and year known for JoyBoys return.
And this doesn't create any paradoxes because of the void century itself, the person going back has no idea what happens in that time and cannot change it (besides what they are meant to change).
Maybe the story thats in Laughtale even told Roger pirates to not spoil it for Joyboy.
0:33 Oden was a rebel, a king and a pirate... Maybe thr first pirate from Wano ... Ooooh you saw it too 1:31
Okay morj, we knowyoure delaying the wano analysis because you want more details
Let's compromise
Do a quick one now and then do a retrospective
Have yall notice in every arc theres one character who betrays luffy then apologizes as well? Mr.2, Ussop, nami,sanji, and so on think about it they do it because they got no choice but then realized their mistakes. II have more to add to this theory that proves it right. My background 11 years worth of rereading the manga and show. I go deep as well nice to see common fellas!
Something to add to this is that it goes with how the ancient kingdom likely isn’t just “the good guys”. The Kozuki caused orocchis clan to be so bitter by treating them Terribly for years if I remember correctly. The ancient kingdom could have been rather oppressive and generally unhelpful to the other kingdoms which caused the 20 kings to resent them.
That thumbnail is amazing …
You didn’t even say how did Joyboy died. You just laid out the pattern of Joyboy life and how it was similar to Oden.
This is the closest we’re gonna get to the Wano analysis video 😂
There's a brilliant parrallel between Ace and his father Roger as well, Ace went to Wano even before Luffy BUT IT WAS TOO SOON FOR HIM, he gave Tama and Yamato hope that someone was coming along, and finally Luffy did. And just as Ace was a bit too soon to fulfill Oden's will, Roger was a generation too early to fulfil Joyboy's. Roger heralded Luffy's arrival, left behind Rayleigh as a guide for Luffy, juslike Ace was the reason Yamato acted as Luffy's guide. That would be so poetic man, full circle and in his own microcosmic sense Roger ended up mirroring his son in helping Luffy out.
3:41 *sought
Top Tier Theories with your host Mr Morj
ahhh perfect video for my dinner time , thanks morj how did you know it was my dinner time ?
What i learned from this video: "The Dawn" = Dadan. Dadan will bring the dawn confirmed.
This is partly why I'm hoping that Imu is a pushover like Orochi. Someone who has a really powerful ability but lacks any real finesse with it. Like the Elder Stars would be the Kaido in the analogy.
Oh man.. nowadays i am afraid to watch mr.morj videos thinking what if it's true
Insane thumbnail
800 years is some future sight
We don’t have enough to speculate yet but good video idea still
I always believed that Oden knew of Kaido defeat because he knew JoyBoy would be back in 20 years. And for him to be back he’ll need the ancient weapons. I think oden thought he’d be the one to open the borders but once he realized he was gonna die he knew it was gonna be someone else and for that to happen Kaido would have to be defeated. Toki’s words are of the SH for the final battle not the Wano final battle. Love the full circle moment with this connection.
Looking forward to this. I’m really curious to see how Oda will connect all of this information together. Because if done well( like he’s doing so far), One Piece might actually buck the trend of a lot of Shonen jump titles in having a good ending. The one series where I felt like it ended strong enough for me to want to go back was Zatch Bell or Gatch Bell.
I don't think so, he wouldn't even kill Pell and ge still writes it as more of a child story.
I'd bet there will be a happy funny ending.
If the world was One Piece, there probably wouldn't be much reason for anyone to have a boat in the first place, perhaps some riverboats for transport, but none that could handle the sea. Whoever lead the first boat that could handle it, would easily be pointed as the first pirate.
Also I think the brain brain fruit is quite important here, Joyboy most certainly had someone in his crew with the devil fruit. While I got no clue what that implies, I think it's an important piece of the puzzle.
The fact that Rodger left “everything the world has to offer” has such a deeper meaning now. The One Piece being left by Joy Boy means that it contains riches from the PRE FLOOD era. Also the term “Pirate King” or “King of the Pirates” means so much more of Joy Boy was a king and a pirate. Taking a guess but maybe the ancient kingdom was named Pirate or maybe the people of this kingdom were named “Pirates” and its land consisted of all the oceans with a Hachinosu type hub island being the actual ‘Ancient Kingdom’
It would be better if Joy Boy wasn't a royalty, but freed Ancient kingdom from a corrupt ruler, becoming both a pirate and a kingdom's hero in the process. There should be more "liberation" vibes for a person who awakened Nika fruit
I think what you've said is possible, as oda has done this sort of repeating pattern before.
I'd add that in my view before joyboy there was something in the world blocking pirates from being created:
There used to be 1 huge supercontinent and the seas were unsafe, joyboy was the first one to sail.
Maybe the seas were created by the use of Uranus and as an answer Poseidon and Pluton were created, thus they were the first "illegal" people on the sea.
What if JoyBoy discovered something behind the scenes and noticed something was going on in the kingdom? What if he himself, noticed the water levels rising and set out to find out what was going on? Then returned after discovering something important but it was too late.
Hope the continent pullers get some back story with the rising sea levels being an issue
Very interesting! One can draw such parallels for every 'failed' JoyBoy in the story, including Kozuki, Roger, Vegapunk, etc. There was never a 'successful' JoyBoy before Luffy - I think.
Yes, and Odens logbook is like Poneglyphs
Saw this vid getting flamed on r/memepiece and was expecting it to be bad but this is a good video. Why is everyone crying about it? Is it the fan art or the theory? Either way seems weird.
Other similarities not mentioned:
Kozuki Oden's followers had a symbol to stealthily show their alegiance to the Kozuki's = Moon
Could be the same with Joyboy's allies = D
After Oden loses, Wano is ruled over by a Dragon
After Joyboy loses, the world is ruled over by Dragons (Tenryuubito)
Saying faction seems to clearly show (to me) that JoyBoy and Imu were once of the same unit or group and feels like JoyBoy wanted to have adventures and Imu wanted to follow the regular order. Feels almost like a Luffy and Coby thing. Something just went drastically wrong..
What s the soundtrack of this video? If i can know. I really like it and want to listen to it
Also find it interesting sabo was a noble that try to go to the seas and was shot down it makes me think what if joy boy went they the same thing
The theory that i came up with is that the one piece is just an poneglyph which has written about the journey of the joyboy and his crew every thing that has happend while the whole crew was travelling and all the funny stuffs just like the ones that we laughed at when funny things happend with straw hat pirates and thats why rager and the rest of the crew laughed so hard and at the end of the poneglyph they wrote about every thing happend to the whole crew and most likely the one who wrote thing on that poneglyph died on the laughtale island and thats why he was able to write about every thing about the void century thats why roger and his crew knew about the void century and the fact they all laughed so hard was because of all the funny stuffs happed to the joyboys crew while they were travelling which could be the main reason why roger said that he wished he could have been able to live as the same era as you joyboy. Well that concludes my theory about the one piece
Maybe haki is also somehow related to inherited will. For example it could be that the straw hat has a strong coating of haki just like swords. Due to the coating, it doesnt get damaged easily. I mean the straw hat has literally been through fire - marineford, boro breath by kaido etc and never burned. I hope that it is not just a plot hole. This could extend to other things like doffy's glasses.
The only time that I recall that the straw hat has been significantly damaged was by buggy. Makes me think if buggy's haki is also somehow related to the straw hat.
i guess this is the closest thing to the wano video we´ll get
To add to this, you could say that Wano further showcases Wano because A. Wano also has a tyrannical ruler, afraid of somebody stronger (and freeer) then himself coming to undermine his authority and undo the revenge he has plotted. B) the scabbards and the likely allies of Joyboy failed, and feel apologetic. No crew that all fought their hardest has ever felt apologetic. Example Shank’s crew are all stoic. The same can be said for Roger’s crew. Rayleigh has “failed” but simultaneously he knows that it simply wasn’t his time and he never did anything to get in Roger’s way. Meanwhile the scabbards could not stand besides and convince their lewder to stand up, they couldnt protect him and give back the ciurage that he once gave them. Similarly the WB pirates, all being young, “children” of WB, and not strong enough, similarly all feel kinda bad for Marine Ford. Here it was again his own crew that did not “stand by him” in the sense that they did not have the same unwavering conviction as him.
I believe in the end the strawhats will stand by Luffy when he himself begins to lose hope and possinly even lose some of that gear 5 magic. This moment will (in my head) be instigated by Ussopp, concluding his character arc. This is why he had to CLEARLY remain a coward until that moment. A single moment so big it makes you almost happy you had to wait so long to get it.
What if everyone in the Ancient Kingdom were cursed by the Sea like Devil Users? Maybe Devil Fruits were produced there and everyone had them.
Their society could have deemed the seas to be "unsafe" kind of like how the Celestial Dragons wear a Scuba Tank to "dive" into the unsafe land below the Red Line.
Joyboy could have been the first Devil Fruit user to decide to brave the seas anyway.
they should've called him Joy Man cause he was 100 years old
funny because in your last theorie you mentionned that luffy is the representation of bajong (something like that), in the myth of bajong, he lift a city in order to put it on a mountain. Wich is somewhat what momonosuke did with the kaido island. If we link both theorie then momonosuke is the receptacle of Oden will, wich is the receptacle of Joy boy will. So joyboy will made momonosuke lift a nisland, exactly like in baharogan myth wich is in itself linked to luffy.
My bad my english is bad but i think you understand where i am going.
we can compare Kaido to Imu if Orochi is akin to a Celestial Dragon, and the Disastrous generals are the Gorosei
sorta makes me think of the reasoning behind joyboy's apology to fishman island. since wano ended, i had always wondered the reasoning plot-wise as to why wano's borders should still be shut even despite it being such a major part of oden's will. of course i understand momonosuke's reasoning -- he wants to protect it from the dangers of the outside world for now. maybe that's a similar reason to why joyboy never brought the fishmen to the surface using the noah? the world outside (particularly the 20 kingdoms' alliance) was still too discriminatory to fishmen and it would have ultimately put them in major danger until he was capable of winning the war, which was something that was never fulfilled, obviously. the fishmen keeping noah intact coulda been cus they were aware joyboy would return, i imagine
This is just an excuse for morj to say that the RAID to mariejois will FAIL