Rome: Total War - Part 8 - The Battle of Thermon Ridge
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ธ.ค. 2016
- Rome: Total War continues, as we take on the first grand army of the Greek Cities in the battle for Thermon. Unfortunately, the battlefield isn't quite what I was hoping for...
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"one of the wives in the family have passed away, lovely"
Why so low? :D
jon i do not care if its 200 bc you can not let a 16 year old command 3 quarters of the entire roman army
gökçe arslan but what if the 16 year old was a time traveler who had played a lot of Rome: Total War, and new how that battle would go as he had watched Johns video, controlling him and winning.
Well he just watched the rad battle get won by his dad, so why not.
What if the 16 year old was a meat puppet for the Roman uber-deity conglomerate known as Jon the Great, god of All?
this comment wins all the comments 😂😂😂
more like, this comment wins life
Jon! Some game tips:
Once your cavalry is already engaged, if you're leaving them in to fight, repeat the attack order while holding ALT. This will cause them to use their secondary weapons if they have them (i.e. Roman Cavalry get swords, Cataphracts get maces), which are more suited to prolonged melee.
Your dog handlers joined the fight because you double-clicked the attack order. Single-click attack releases the dogs but leaves the handlers where they are; double-click releases them and orders the handlers to charge.
Wow, someone who knows something about rome total war Jon doesn't, impressive.
That dog handlers tip is new to me.
This really gets me: when I thought I knew something about the game, sometimes I find someone witha new tips. Why isn't there a RTW complete tips list yet?
And thanks for the tips!
Electric999999-
look up LegendofTotalWar or really any Total War youtuber
Trexmaster12 It only works if your cavalry have secondary weapons to use, mind! Generally it's just heavy cavalry who do. And it's still best to do the initial charge with their regular (spear) weapons, because only with the spears do they get a charge bonus.
The same command (alt + right click) is a shortcut to force any missile unit (or infantry with missiles) to attack in melee regardless of their ammunition status.
"That's how Rome: Total War battles work - he was trying to wrap me up on one side, and I was trying to wrap him up on the other." That's also how actual ancient battles worked, and the first to rout really did take massive losses. Another reason I love RTW.
I also love how epic the battles look on Huge unit scale, but I don't use it myself - the AI simply does not know how to manage city population and it absolutely cripples them, especially the barbarian factions whose basic infantry is 240 strong. I stick on Large unit size to avoid that.
Yep, you can also perfectly recreate Hannibal tactics - stretching a few infantry units really thin, to create a wider line, with the general behind to keep the steady, allowing a smaller infantry force to encircle a larger one. An incredible game.
I remember a great time I actually did that in Napoleon TW. I set it up at a river crossing with my heavy infantry at the sides across the river. Works like a treat.
Many A True Nerd hey
As I watched the early motions on the flank, I thought to myself "Cannae really be watching a miracle?"
That joke was AMAZING!
42:39 "Galla, one of the wives of the family, has passed away. Lovely."
CanadianOreoable I think the only time the word lovely is used is when something isn't lovely. Like saying wow or awesome.
(Edit: unless you're American)
"One of the wives of the family has passed away, lovely."
Jon, is that how you treat all your aunts?
I've finally figured out why I love this series the most. Jon always has informative and entertaining commentary in all his vids and no doubt, he sees little details and nuances that I would never have noticed unless he pointed it out. He generally enjoys most of the games he features and loves many of them, but this one is just different. I loved playing RTW, but I never appreciated it on the level that Jon does and when you observe the kind of affection he has for this game, it really takes a playthrough to a whole new level. Sure, it might take him a couple turns to see an enemy army camping outside one of his major cities or he might regularly fudge his timings during battles, but it's the passion that is so intoxicating. I can genuinely feel his love for the game when he plays it and talks about it. I don't love this series because it's RTW, I love this series because Jon is playing RTW. Well done, Jon!
idunbeezasmart1 every game jon is very passionate about makes me want to play them, then more often that not i loved those games, since his playthrough of hitman blood money to fallout new vegas and now rome total war, I've played all of them and loved them
This series actually compelled me to go back to Rome TW and I found a new appreciation for it over playing Rome II or Attila. I admit I copied his strategy though and swept up the coast like he has. I've already taken most of Greece and expanding Eastward. I attribute my improved skills with Jon and his excellent videos. Only problem it is difficult to find time to both play and watch MATN. He's done the same thing for me with Fallout survival, so it's not just this game. My favorite channel by far.
idunbeezasmart1 Jon's content is very good with games he likes, but with games he dislikes (see: No Man's Sky) the video just feels like it's missing something.
thats why i tend to find myself watching the vids of games he is passionate about and has good knowledge of as he is entertaining at his most
Liberty Prime yeah, they feel kind of like hes doing a joke video
*Sees the terrain* Uh oh.
Oh, nevermind, the enemy General is a coward.
Reign THIS IS NOT SPARTA
TONIGHT, I'D RATHER DINE AT HOME!
ha!
Reign I WOULD RATHER BE CARRIED HOME ON MY HORSE WITHOUT A SHEILD THAN ON MY SHEILD WITHOUT A HORSE
At least you're not having to deal with Armoured Hoplites
Yet...
In my most recent game Greece went nuts and conqoured most of Macedon by 260BC then tried to roll me up. You're having an easy time of it!
One time, I was attacked by about 7 units of Armoured Hoplites, 15 Hoplites and 5 militia Hoplites. I still won but it was a pain in the arse.
33:37 Rip Marcus (insert generic Roman surname here). Killed in battle by being kicked in the face by a dying Greek horse
This channel is one of my favourite things on TH-cam. The contrast between Jon's expertise and erudition in this game, and his utterly baffled ineptitude with Car Mechanic Simulator and My Summer Car, is just hilarious.
_puts alternator on engine block_
I'm a mechanic!
All I wish for in 2017 is more Rome videos, to be honest.
dont we all
That is all that is necessary for a great year, in my opinion.
Whaler "All I Want for New Year, is Rome", the new hit Christmas song.
basically jon in general is what makes a year great, because even when you feel every game is terrible, he finds some amasing gems
He was thinking about upping the episodes to 3 a week.
So, there's 2851 population in Patavium. So about half of those are women, call it 1425. 9% pop growth in 6 months, so 256 people. That roughly makes 345 people per nine months, meaning that there are 345 pregnant woman at the time, or 25% of the female population. Remembering that childbirth was very deadly, and child mortality was high, but that the growth rate should still apply, that means that the percentage should be much higher.
Either that or people really really like moving to Patavium from other places.
The latter seems more likely - in a world where famine and underpopulation crisis are major threats, it makes sense that a town where food is relatively plentiful, people will naturally migrate there, if only at crisis points when famine kicks off elsewhere.
Remember that cities were basically population negative up until the industrial revolution
Also, it's possible that the entirety of the listed population is merely the healthy adult males of the place
I think it's the adult healthy male population given how you can recruit from 3000 citizns to 400 into your armies. If children and women were counted in that number it'd be weird.... the roman army would be made out of women and children then.
enternamehere2222 But the Britons can recruit screaming woman units from their population. We *might* be overthinking this.
Those pre-battle speeches are really great!
'Galla, one of the wives of the family, has passed away. Lovely.' Lmao
Jon, turn on the subtitles for speeches. Also wait a bit after the cheering, sometimes the generals still say somethings more
Right. Otherwise you might miss brilliant writing like this: "Do not fear these rebel slaves, for they are only slaves!"
Honestly I've tried many a time to find a good total war lp and always been disappointed. You ManyATrueNerd are the first to actually get it perfect! I looooove this lp and you have earned my sub good sir!
Welcome aboard :)
Have you looked at youtubers such as lionheart and alex the rambler ?
sacha l-smith they are good, but MATN is best!
I personally wouldnt agree but its your preference :)
I like MATN's commentary and they way he cuts filler.
That's my one gripe with RTW: The AI will pull entire armies out of their asses. The pinnacle of this was when Byzantirum threw me out of their city and a rebel army full of armored hoplite showed up with gold weapons, shields, and 9 experience.
I've put 41 more hours into this game since you started this series, and I've been noticing loads of things I've missed before thanks to you.
For instance, you showed the way to move people via peasants, but if you have the money for it, buying and disbanding mercenaries adds all of those hired troups to the local town as well.
And you thought games this old couldn't be pay to win ;)
Thanks John, your commentary adds to the excitement and tension. Reminds me of how great this game is. I need to dust of my copy.
I was literally covering my eyes as I thought your general was getting killed in the battle there off screen. Lots of fun.
I think my favorite thing about this series is just how enthusiastic about this game. Looking at the city view, talking about the little details that I never noticed despite playing for so long, just really enjoyable.
Also I love that you aren't afraid to abuse the ai of your allies. I don't think I've ever seen a play-through of this game where the player sends a unit to the other two Roman factions in order to follow them around and stop them from getting unfair victories from auto-resolve.
Oh good, another episode of Rome: Total War! Or as I've come to think of it, "The Legendary Adventures of Aulus Brutus." The guy's a beast.
“You haven’t built roads!?!?”
Classic Roman reaction
From now on, we'll know that if a title starts with "Battle of", something big's going down.
If Rhodos is not defended a quick jump there and wonder is yours.
Jon could you have given this episode a more rad title
The AWESOME Battle of Thermon RIGHTEOUS
How about the picnic At Thermon Ridge
HAIL!!!
SUPER RAD EXPLOSION DOME BEFORE YOU DIE EXTREME!!!...!
"Fuckery which is happening in the general vicinity of Thermon Ridge"
loving the impromptu history lessons
OK, now I have to re-watch Return of the King and mentally replace the Army of the Dead with puppies... Thanks, Jon!
#deathbypuppies
I played a game last night where a faction leader literally has a special attack of stampeding puppies. XD
Thermon has gone to the dogs!
Series' like this make me very happy to see the subscriber count rise from day to day. Well done Jon!
awesome series so far. You earned my subscription with this playlist of total Rome and I purchased the game. Great Job
Just had a 3 hour long AoE2 game and this is perfect
Jon would get on well with Sansa Stark. They both know what to do with dogs.
''They're loyal beasts"
Well his name IS Jon after all...
This is great, still can't believe how much I enjoy this series.
I'm surprised you can get those mass routs on VH BAI difficulty. The enemy gets like +7 to morale and skirmishers can hold off heavy infantry in protracted melee.
2:07 Rome: "It's over Greece, I have the HIGH FROUND!"
9:00 Greece: "You underrastimete my POWER!"
Sorry guys, but I have to use this meme xD
10:48 Smithers... Release the hounds.
cts006 lKR ROFL 😁
Great series, Im playing along while I watch. I havent played this game in a long time but I am hooked again
Thanks Jon really enjoy this series keep up the good work total war is my favorite series you do
Thank you for regular uploads, best series about.
Micro-management by you is insane plus the running commentary! Love it mate!
The battle of Thermon ridge is so tense and spectacular, almost wish it was a real battle.
Man this is great! Can't wait for the next video!
Just found your channel, I've watched lots of Rome games here on youtube and I have to say I love the way you play. Looking forward to more lp's in the future!
I've been waiting for this all day :D
Bloody intense mate, keep it up.
I love these videos. Never stop them please
I knew I could rely on this to cheer me up after a bad day
Surely the general's voice would've carried to only the front 2 ranks and nobody on the wings. There should be an "I don't get paid enough for this" penalty for all those out of earshot
As someone who is both a fan of the Total War series and studies the Romans for a degree, this series gives me great happiness, even though I prefer Attila to the original Rome. Thank you Jon.
The hype is real
Literally let slip the dogs of war 10/10
another excellent episode!
Love your commendarty durign the Thermon battle.
Great to see I'm not the only one playing this game after this long time.
whelp im buying this game now xD this is a great game
Ben Carns if the clunkiness bothers you try out some of the more modern total war games such as shogun 2 or rome 2 (with mods)
Villaero Juve None will compare to Rome 1
Hank: Perhaps only medieval 2
@@wedgeantilles4712 yeah I agree. Medieval 2 and Rome 1 are the best by far
The first battle in this video inspired me to buy the game - especially the part with the one unit of cavalry routing all the hoplites. So satisfying!!
You killed 3000 people in one battle. That's a serious dent in a lot of the cities
I love this series.
...thx Jon, these vids are great.
Waited for this one!
Murder Puppies are the most badass kind of puppies
Okay Ramsay.
47:38 N.W.A's lesser known album...
Straight outta Thermon, crazy motherf*cker named Oppius
From the faction called Bruttii With Attitudes
When I'm called off, I got a cretan bow
Loose the string, and bodies are hauled off
That was a pretty epic battle.
These make me happy 😁
Did you know that you can make Pontoon Bridges with your ships in narrow straits? For example, if you place a ship between Sicilly and the tip of the "italian boot", you can have your units just walk over.
Wardog dynamics: Each person gets a wardog or two. As long as the handlers do not die you get all of those war dogs back after the battle. Assuming you keep the handlers safe, they are freely disposable super light harassing troops. IF the handlers do take casulities, the total dogs that respawn after the battle will be scaled down for how many handlers you lost.
I have learned such a lot of tips from you and I do thank you. It's a while ago that you recorded all of this so maybe my tips are old news. But....regarding the messy hillside battle outside Thermon, just refuse your flanks so that your defensive line better conforms to the shape of the hill. Also, keep one unit of infantry out of the front line and in reserve. It really helps to be able to throw a reserve at a flanking movement. Also, no need to have both of your hoplite units next to each other. You never know where the enemy cavalry might hit. So spread them out a bit. Don't waste Cretan Archer fire on anything other than a weak unit in the enemy's front line where you want to force a break or weaken a flank or at a powerful unit that needs to be weakened before it hits you. Oh, and another thing, while I'm at it..... own the Aegean. Roads are useful but use ships to communicate between the base of Italy and the north of your empire. But seriously, these videos are so much fun. Better than watching Saving Private Ryan. Thanks.
Just watched the new series of Time Commanders and coming from that to this... this is the best day ever! Also Jon have you ever thought about going on Time Commanders.
Now I remember why I always played the Julia, those Hoplites are stupidly strong, even charging into their backs you end up losing tons of men. Against the Gauls you just shoot some flaming arrows and then they break and you run them down.
Cry "Havoc", and let slip the dogs of war.
Dammit who let General Chang out?
This is a heroic victory, Mr Frodo.
30:38 I love your sense of humour
6:26 Did That Unit Of Hoplites Just Disappear!!!! LOL
john, this is easily my favorite series of yours. I get weirdly excited when I see a new one.
I would love to see you play empire total war, I know it's mechanically weak but it's huge scale makes it great for creating interesting historical fiction stories.
A battle of epic proportions. Very nice. I'm glad I've finally gotten around to watching this series. It's proper nice. Much better than Civ.
That first battle was clearly a Heroic Victory.
This is now I predict the framers of the British empire sounded while creating their empire...:D I have started replaying his game thanks to this replay, thank you:D
Lovely, bloody flippin' lovely. Flippin' lovely. Flippin' bloody lovely.
Then there's Nero, who apparently had Christian candles...lovely bloke I'm sure.
Ryan Cave Christian candles are just literal Christians made into candles. Roman candles weren't in Italy until the Renaissance and were a lot nicer :D
Ryan Cave yeah...Nero was a bit..mad, not so much as Caligula, I think that guy was the really crazy one but Nero...oh boy, he was just....evil I guess and really didn't like Christians.
Ryan Cave I mean I wouldn't say they went that mad, Caligula probably yes but the others? I mean Augustus went mad due to varuses stupidity, Caesar just saw himself as the one true king...hmm can't really think of others tho
Of those who were burned, some were tied or nailed to stakes, and held still by a hook driven through the throat, so that they could not move the head when the pitch, wax, tallow, and othef inflammable substances were poured boiling over their heads, and set on fire, so that all the unctious matter of the human body flowing down made long, wide furrows in the sand of the theatre. And thus human beings were lighted as torches, and burned as lights for the wicked Romans at night.
HinFoo Yeah but his garden was nice and illuminated.
Best decision I ever made was watching this mans fallout 3 video so I could later see this wonderful play through awesome downloaded the game
title should be "Battle of Thermonpylae"
Khorps nice one
Khorps I do enjoy a nice Plyae on words.
Well no, because Theormopylae was on the other side of the peninsula
@@goodbanter4427 thermonpylae not thermopylae
Got fed up waiting so decided to watch your old Total War games...I have been playing these since they came out starting with Shogun. I like it that you never lost the full-on Murray Walker delivery when excited. Great tips come out in this campaign but I do notice you do not use your diplomats as much as I have learned to do to cause wars between your opponents by surrendering land or capturing it and given to another faction.
So far....I hasten to add
I also consult the relative position graphs almost every turn to see where every faction is moving.
YEEEEE! ROME TOTAL WAR VIDEO! YAY!
SMITHERS, RELEASE THE HOUNDS!
Bro, that suicide rush was respectable. Stupid, but respectable. 😂
Loving this series, I only wish it came out more often.
Any plans to carry on with other campaigns after the Brutii?
Omnivar I hope he does ALL the faction campaigns
For such an epic battle you need an epic title
Gaming, comedy and a history lesson. How can you go wrong?
Conquering somewhere then forcing half the populace to serve in the army is a pretty roman thing to do, gotta get those auxillaries.
NO I CANT WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY XC
iv been enjoying this series.. it shows some games are timeless.. kinda like age of empire 2
Jon, The Advantage of the roman troops is that they are WAY more flexible and mobile than the hoplites and pikes so you must use them as flanking troops as well you know "hammer and anvil"
please release more of these
Please more, I needz it!
34:54 really Jon? no Montgomery Burns impersonation? a game of thrones joke? an obscure Baha men reference? such a missed opportunity...
0:16 force them down a narrow pass Jon. their numbers will count for nothing
With sufficient numbers they can still grind down his troops, and a narrow pass would impede his use of cavalry, which he seems to be better with than the AI, not to mention I think greek cavalry are slightly weaker than roman cavalry.
Electric999999 Their numbers will count for nothing
Our pila will blot out the sun!
Twice in one week YUUUUUSSS!!!!!!!