What do you think? Will Super Syrup replace egg whites in your cocktails? Give it a try! Get Methylcellulose here: geni.us/8BIo If you'd like to make this without adding sugar, check out the Super Foam episode: th-cam.com/video/9WccMbeoN7Q/w-d-xo.html Check out our CURIADA collection of bottles: bit.ly/spiritscocktailtime If you like what we do, you can also support the channel here: 👕 Merch: my-store-11171765.creator-spring.com 🎩 Patreon: www.patreon.com/cocktailtime 🛒 My Store: kit.co/KevinKos 🌍 Web Page: www.kevinkos.com/
Awesome find Kevin! Do you think the methylcellulose will have the same side effects of egg white such as binding tannins? For example why egg white is necessary in the Earl Grey MarTEAni
I make hummus a lot which means I often have aquafaba on hand. I reduce the aquafaba and then pour it into my ice cube tray which happens to be about 1 ounce per cube giving me aquafaba cubes. I just pop a cube into the shaker as I'm making the drink. Thoroughly shake it to create a foam as I chill the drink. No ice needed so I have more control over the dilution.
After some trial and error I finally have a beautiful cocktail with Kevins recipe. My first mistake was to get Methylcelluose powder which produced little foam. I then read in the comments that Methocel F50 (Hydroxypropyl methylcellulose) was the better choice. I then followed the technique and got terrific results. However, on my third attempt I made the mistake of adding the Methocel dissolved in hot water into the sugar-xanthan liquid rather than the sugar-xanthan liquid into the Methocel solution. Whatever the reaction was this did not produce a beautiful foam. Finally today I followed the recipe exactly and got a beautiful long lasting foam. Hope this helps others.
I actually have an egg white allergy, which so the whole realm of sours seemed unattainable to me, UNTIL THIS VIDEO!! THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'm definitely going to try to make this.
Will you ever post a list or make a video of all the special ingredients you use like acids, gums etc.? I think it would be really cool to know more about these ingredients and their use in molecular cuisine and mixology.
@@jmhadahorse Thank you for the advice, from what I can see it’s a great site for Americans but being I live in Italy I think I will buy directly from special ingredients Italy so I don’t have to pay Amazon fees or other sites international shipping.
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I've blind tested both cocktails and honestly I really couldn't tell the difference! I don't mind the smell of eggwhite either but I was so fascinated that you can recreate foam in that way!
I've come to realize that egg whites smell much worse over time. If you let your drink set for a little while (or God forbid you forget to wash out your empty glass) the smell instantly becomes wet dog central.
I made this and I am quite happy with it. Bear in mind it’s only major limitation is the amount of foam being tied to the amount of sugar. So works great in a daiquiri style sour (i.e. no liqueurs), but not great in something like a Margarita. Also requires a good dry shake.
kev! thank you so much for all your videos. I've said this time and time again but these videos are HIGHLY educational and valuable to me as a novice bartender trying to add to my tools in making cocktail menus. i'm ecstatic that your channel has grown basically 10x since I found your blessed channel. cheers!
I can't believe I just found your videos! Just got into making cocktails a last year and seeing all these advanced techniques and recipes is truly inspiring! I'm excited to continue watching your channel and learning more brilliant twists!
Man, I was just wondering how to make a eggless foam for a holiday cocktail party with vegan friends and there you are, as always, right on the spot! You rock!
We use aquafaba at my workplace and the ckickpeas are used in the kitchen. We tested other foaming agents which are no comparison to what eggwhite/aquafaba can accomplish. I look forward to trying this one day.
I actually like egg whites myself, but I think I'm still going to give this a try just for the convenience factor of not needing to fiddle with eggs to obtain that wonderful silky texture.
@@KevinKos I finally got around to trying it, and I love it! It's a very convenient way to add that body and luscious head to a cocktail, and I also love the texture it gives a stirred cocktail. I also had a stroke of genius and used it to sweeten an ice cream base taking advantage of the three stabilizers to create the smoothest ice cream I've ever had in my life. I think I'll introduce it to my friends as Triple Gomme Syrup after the three gums. Thanks again Mr. Kos!
My Kuvings VACUUM blender makes this super super easy. Everything in blender and blend. I believe the vacuum blend makes both super syrup & super juice more shelf stable too! Less O2 mixed in to liquids. Love these recipes, thanks!
I've never used egg whites in my drinks due to dietary sensitivities, so I've been using aquafaba for years, but this will replace it. You are right. The aquafaba does impart a slight flavor. You won't notice it in a sour, but you will in something more subtle. So yes, I'm excited about this!
I have a feeling I'll be drinking more whiskey sours this winter. Adding egg white always makes the texture better, but it's such a hassle. Glad to have found a solution!
I tried making this with CMC (=Caboxymethylcellulose) and that doesnt work. I thought it would since Methylcellulose and CMC are used for similar application, but allas. Worth mentioning I reckon.
I struggled with this until I zoomed into the photo and found the exact methylcellulose he used - its HPMC. Thought I'd comment to avoid people losing time doing their own research
I've always found egg alternatives can't compare to the mouthfeel of the egg. Initially they'll be close, but the head settles out faster and the mouthfeel gets thinner. I'd be interested to hear how they compared over time. I've also found that often the egg smell won't be noticeable at first if you use fresh eggs, but as the cocktail warms over time it becomes much more apparent.
I’ve made several sours with super syrup and the foam goes nowhere! It is very persistent. Also the silky mouthfeel is really luxurious. I will probably never use egg white again.
Great video as always, Kevin! What Is the shelf life of this super syrup? And I think it would be a great idea to include shelf life for every special ingredient video you make from now on.
my gosh Kevin... you and your team are always elevating the cocktail game for us viewers on youtube! thank you as always for bringing this amazing content! Going to definintely try this, as my vegan friends will appreciate!
Really interesting stuff, Kevin! I'm not sure it's right for a home bar situation though given the number of steps in this process and the much shorter shelf life that Mike mentions in your video. I love seeing new innovations in bars though!
I am not sure if I follow this channel because of the boose or because of the engineering of the cocktails plus the visual effects. The latter have been getting to be the source of a huge curiosity and satisfaction. 👌
@@KevinKos just to make sure I expressed the correct idea: the main topic is very interesting! The thing is that I started following your channel maybe by the first wave of confinement and I have been watching the evolution of the production of your videos. Lately, the visual effects you use are some sort of easter egg. I've been eager to see what you will come up with every new video.
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@@prdcs thanks for noticing that! I will work even harder on the visuals!
Hello Kevin, First of all thank you for your channel. I learn a lot every time I watch it and it's really good having someone sharing techniques about drinks. Second I'm having a problem with the super syrup. I tried to replicate at home twice until I realized that I didn't buy methylcellulose, I bought carboxymethyl cellulose because this one is a little bit more accessible in Brazil. I wanted to know if you know the difference between methylcellulose and CMC and if there is a measure to use it and a right temperature (when I tried to put boiling water on CMC it firmed it like a thick gel). I did the gum syrup and it worked just fine, but I really wanted to make the super syrup work because it would help me a lot at work. Again, thanks a lot for your content. We, as bartenders, need more channels like yours, since we could apply so many different techniques behind the bar, but don't have a proper professionalization of the job, like gastronomy. Kind regards.
@@KevinKos I live in Brazil, so our Amazon it's local, but thanks for answering anyway. It's not easy or cheap to find methylcellulose over here, but I'll give another try 🫠
Thank you for the recipe Kevin. This is awesome. Quick Question: I am unable to find Methylcellulose where I live and getting Carboxy Methylcellulose instead. As far as I could read online, they are very similar. Could you let me know if they are like for like replacements?
Glad to share the recipe, Ankit. I'm not really sure about that, since this MC was what I could get online (there were no additional names, like the F50 used by Mike). If you find any additional information on this topic please report back and share what you've learned! Cheers!
I am a chemist and I can assure you that methyl cellulose and carboxymethylcellulose are completely different animals with very different properties. They are not substitutes for one another.
Kevin kos can to make super egg white very quickly recipe is 1 liter cold water 20 gr metil gel All in the blend for two minutes and after keep in the fridge for 12 hours after can used ☺️
I definitely want to make this syrup. Guess I have to make my way to that website to figure out these measurements. I love the fact that you Truffles on the Rocks and Anders all post on the same day. It's like bar hoping.
Cooking starts at 3:10 INGREDIENTS Sour Syrup Mike Capoferri | Los Angeles 3 grams Methocel F50 100 grams boiling hot water 200 grams cold water 300 grams granulated sugar DIRECTIONS Combine methylcellulose and hot water, stirring until solids are fully disolved. Separately, pour cold water into a high-power blender set to the lowest speed. Slowly add the hot water and methyleellulose mix into the blender and blend for 4 minutes. Place pitcher in freezer until foam dissipates, approximately 10 minutes. Remove from freezer and whisk in sugar. Allow to settle, then whisk again to incorporate any remaining sugar crystals. Bottle and store. INGREDIENTS Super Syrup/500ml 3.6 grams Methocel F50 100 grams boiling hot water 200 grams cold water 360 grams granulated sugar 36g gum arabic DIRECTIONS Combine 36g of gum arabic with 60g of boiling hot water. Mix well and allow to sit for 12 HOURS. Combine 360g of sugar, 0.6 g of xantham gum, and 200g of cold water. Blend till sugar is disolved. Combine 3.6g methylcellulose and 100g hot water, stirring until solids are fully disolved. Hand stir and combine arabic syrup, xantham syrup, and methylcellulose syrup. Shelf life is half of simple syrup in the fridge.
Nada reemplaza a la clara de huevo, en el Sour es genial porque le da textura sedosa que gusta mucho. Y en cuanto al olor, no gustará a algunos pero a otros si, además el bitter angostura lo aromatiza bien. Soy de Lima Perú, y cuando preparo un buen Pisco Sour también preparo un buen cóctel de algarrobina, de esa manera aprovecho la yema del huevo. Saludos. 🇵🇪
Super great video as always, thank you for always sharing Sir Kevin, my big concern is how long does it lasting for the homemade super Syrup? Thank you for attention.
Hi Kevin, love your videos. I have 2 important questions that are unclear: 1. Is the super syrup a substitute to simple syrup also? How to calculate the amounts? 2. Are you using Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose (F50)? Or just Methylcellulose?
Im allergic to the whites of eggs so this will help me greatly, i love a good sour but never tried the foamy versions because i cant have the egg whites
Hey Kevin, I just wanted to let you know that I made the super syrup, and it turned out superbly! Thank you-it was a great experiment for me. I’ll be posting about it on my Instagram very soon, and I’ll make sure to tag you. By the way, how long is its shelf life, and are there any allergens I should be aware of?
I just made this and I’m really happy with the taste ! Thanks for the educational videos ! Nevertheless I couldnt get a thick foam like you do, any advice on what to tweak ?
@@KevinKos Hey Kevin! Thanks for the reply. I just notice that the methylcellulose I bought isn’t pure… I will try again with a better product ! Thanks for all the precise and creative content !
Would be interesting to add Food Grade Polysorbate 80, which is a powerful foaming agent, to the syrup as well as the methylcellulose. Or alternatively something like Foamex Quillaja Extract which is derived from plants, much harder to get though than Food Grade Polysorbate 80. Modernist Pantry for instance sells Polysorbate 80. Searching around a little bit while writing this I fell over a product called Fee Foam protein replacement by a company called Fee Brothers, it uses polysorbate 80, would be really cool to see you use it!
Im gonna answer myself... After testing with both, this is what I found: This 2 components are completly diferent, and you will get 2 huge diferent results... Starting with: 1) Methylcellulose E Number is E461 and Cas Number is 9004-67-5 2) CarboxyMethylcellulose E Number is E466 and Cas Number is 9000-11-7 You dont need to know nothing more... I TEST both, and Carboxy is not what you are looking for, is not working at all... Greetings.
@KevinKos I have been using many of your syrups and particularly the Super Syrup for over a year with my cocktail program. I have decided to try to use it with a cocktail I had previously used Egg white with. It is a Rosemary Hemmingway. So I tried making a Rosemary Super Syrup by making Rosemary water and using that blended with sugar and Xanthum Gum. But the foam is dissipating Super quick unlike with the regular Super Syrup. I have been trying to remedy but have become a bit stuck of what is doing it
Thank you Kevin, this syrup became an essential behind my bar and pushed my into trying a bunch a different sour variations with some great results! Also because I love to play with your Grapefruit super juice I noticed that when those two are mixed it doesn't foam well... Maybe because of MSG, or malic acid ? Idk, I'm just letting you know, it's interesting. Cheers !
I notice that on a cocktail made with lime juice (which also has a malic acid) the foam dissipates a bit faster than usual. I guess the problem is in malic acid.
Thanks for this recipe, Kevin. I love the texture of the egg white in my cocktails, but usually I preferred don’t use it in home because I don’t know what to do with the yolk. And the aquafaba it’s a great substitute, but needs to be prepare with some hours in advance, and usually I want my cocktail in the moment 😄 Thanks again, guys.
There are also cocktails that use egg yolk. Or you could make a custard with the yolks. (For tomorrows dessert or cake) You could use the combination of a yolk and cream or milk to make a rich and creamy drink or a luxurious coffee.
Great idea! I am going to try this at my next cocktail house party. I don't mind using egg whites but it's such a waste of yolks but I also don't make enough cocktails to justify buying a carton of egg whites. I tried using egg white powder as well (buy at baking shops) and it works fine but it's messy and can get lumpy :/
I'll definitely be trying this. We've used aquafaba, but it never really satisfied like egg whites. I already make my syrup and add a few things to the recipe. It takes a day or so of heating, cooling and heating again. Do you think that the Methylcellulose, Gum Arabic and Xanthan Gum would hold up? Or maybe I'd be better off mixing them separately and adding at the end?
I've seen literally hundreds of cocktail videos, and this is the FIRST time I've ever seen that Hawthorne strainer for the egg trick. It's fucking genius
Thank you Kevin for sharing this alternative. My question is, how can you use in any cocktail involving different kind of syrup or fruit puree, let's say a pink lady, a clover club or even any sour twisted like a watermelon tequila sour. How do you balance it ? Do you batch a new super syrup with that precise ingredients ( like raspberry for the clover club)? Thank you
Great video Kevin! Could you increase the shelf life by doubling the sugar content, and making it a 2:1 super syrup? Would you need to adjust the measurements of the xanthan gum, gum arabic, and methylcellulose as well?
The far quicker way to make the syrup is to mix it all together in a high speed blender and de-foam it by putting it in a vacuum chamber (cryovac machine).
Question: Can I replace the COLD WATER with a blend of water & strained blended fruit puree? or will the acid destroy the stabilizers before I get into service? Thank you
Thanks Kevin and team! Quick question - what's the maximum amount of time I can let the Gum syrup sit by itself before using it? Having it precisely sit for 12 hours makes it difficult to plan when I can start the whole process.
Great vid as usual. Was going to stock up on a few Liber syrups between their summer sale and your added discount. However, when I got to checkout o saw to my chagrin that shipping charge was almost as much as the syrup. Abort mission and go to Amazon prime.
Oh man, that's a bummer! When I checked I saw free shipping, but I had just over $50 in my cart (after all the discounts) which I now see it applicable for orders over $50. The shelf life of the syrups we have in the studio seems to be great, stored in the fridge after opening, of course. Thanks for watching the video and your comment. Cheers, Adam!
Do you think making this without sugar will work? Wondering if it isn’t as stable or if the end product doesn’t have the same effect if the sugar is omitted.
Hello, Friend of Cocktail! Do you know if I can replace MC with CMC (Carboxymethyl cellulose)? It's difficult/impossibe to find in Poland so I'm wondering if it can also be used instead of MC.
I can't seem to get this syrup to work. I've tried both this recipe and the original (including different types of methylcellulose) and every time a make a drink, the small head fizzes away in seconds. Single shake, dry shake, reverse shake, nothing helps. Do you have any ideas what might be going wrong?
i've had a dumb idea related to my other comentt, what if the egg whites were procced and mixed vigouraoy with some foam agents and stabilisicers, then its humidiry reduced around 15% and then when the drink was made put in a mixing device inside a cold vacuum chamber for a few secs so the foam expads even further
There’s a volume discrepancy between the two recipes that confuses me a bit. Surely the balance is thrown off slightly from the recipe with 25ml less non-alcoholic liquid in the drink? Great content, with a vegan partner this will come in handy!
What do you think? Will Super Syrup replace egg whites in your cocktails? Give it a try! Get Methylcellulose here: geni.us/8BIo
If you'd like to make this without adding sugar, check out the Super Foam episode: th-cam.com/video/9WccMbeoN7Q/w-d-xo.html
Check out our CURIADA collection of bottles: bit.ly/spiritscocktailtime
If you like what we do, you can also support the channel here:
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Awesome find Kevin! Do you think the methylcellulose will have the same side effects of egg white such as binding tannins? For example why egg white is necessary in the Earl Grey MarTEAni
Is it possible to make the Super Syrup with sweetener instead of sugar, but with similar results?
@@tankbuggeru yes
@@drkmaster0 it will not have the same effect as the egg white does.
Nah. Too much work.
I make hummus a lot which means I often have aquafaba on hand. I reduce the aquafaba and then pour it into my ice cube tray which happens to be about 1 ounce per cube giving me aquafaba cubes. I just pop a cube into the shaker as I'm making the drink. Thoroughly shake it to create a foam as I chill the drink. No ice needed so I have more control over the dilution.
Brilliant- does the cube completely dissolve
I do similar with coffee cubes for coffee based beverages. More chill, full flavor. I’ll try this as well, thanks!
After some trial and error I finally have a beautiful cocktail with Kevins recipe. My first mistake was to get Methylcelluose powder which produced little foam. I then read in the comments that Methocel F50 (Hydroxypropyl methylcellulose) was the better choice. I then followed the technique and got terrific results. However, on my third attempt I made the mistake of adding the Methocel dissolved in hot water into the sugar-xanthan liquid rather than the sugar-xanthan liquid into the Methocel solution. Whatever the reaction was this did not produce a beautiful foam. Finally today I followed the recipe exactly and got a beautiful long lasting foam. Hope this helps others.
I am so happy you didn't stop after the first attempt! Awesome that you like this syrup! Cheers!
I live in Brazil and can only find CarboxyMethylCelullose (CMC) do you know if it is the same as the HPMC that you used?
@@KevinKos can I use CarboxyMethylCellulose (CMC) instead of methocel that is HMPC? Here in Brazil I can only find this ingredient
Foamee the best way
Its so sweet of you that you share someone elses recipe not only with tagging but with himself.
I learn 2 techniques, the syrup, and the idea of using the hawthorn strainer to separate eggs, which is INSPIRED.
Happy to hear that, cheers!
I actually have an egg white allergy, which so the whole realm of sours seemed unattainable to me, UNTIL THIS VIDEO!! THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'm definitely going to try to make this.
Will you ever post a list or make a video of all the special ingredients you use like acids, gums etc.? I think it would be really cool to know more about these ingredients and their use in molecular cuisine and mixology.
That's a great idea! Thank you!
Thank you for your amazing videos
The acids are pretty cheap on Amazon
Or order through modernist pantry and skip giving money to God King Bezos. They have everything you need.
@@jmhadahorse Thank you for the advice, from what I can see it’s a great site for Americans but being I live in Italy I think I will buy directly from special ingredients Italy so I don’t have to pay Amazon fees or other sites international shipping.
I've blind tested both cocktails and honestly I really couldn't tell the difference! I don't mind the smell of eggwhite either but I was so fascinated that you can recreate foam in that way!
This was very interesting!!! I'm with you, I don't mind egg whites...
Thank you! ❤
I've come to realize that egg whites smell much worse over time. If you let your drink set for a little while (or God forbid you forget to wash out your empty glass) the smell instantly becomes wet dog central.
@@braydenyonts3758Yes, agreed. I feel like I need to finish my drink in less than five minutes or else it's ruined.
I made this and I am quite happy with it. Bear in mind it’s only major limitation is the amount of foam being tied to the amount of sugar. So works great in a daiquiri style sour (i.e. no liqueurs), but not great in something like a Margarita. Also requires a good dry shake.
why would you add a foaming agent to a margarita?
Can I just say you are the best? You are doing so much for the bar community. Also thank you mike! Sharing knowledge is so great!
Thank you so much!
kev!
thank you so much for all your videos.
I've said this time and time again but these videos are HIGHLY educational and valuable to me as a novice bartender trying to add to my tools in making cocktail menus.
i'm ecstatic that your channel has grown basically 10x since I found your blessed channel.
cheers!
Thank you very much, that means a lot! Enjoy the process of learning and in no time you'll be a master behind the bar. Cheers!
Def gonna try this out! So much more convenient than dealing with extra yolks or chickpeas.
Cheers!
I can't believe I just found your videos! Just got into making cocktails a last year and seeing all these advanced techniques and recipes is truly inspiring! I'm excited to continue watching your channel and learning more brilliant twists!
Welcome aboard!
Great video, Kevin. How long is the shelf life of the super syrup?
i can only make mocktails since im not at that age where i can buy alcoholic stuff.. but your channel really help me a lot for creativity!
You can use Super Syrup, add lemon and plenty of ice and male a Mocktail Sour! Thanks for watching and cheers!
Man, I was just wondering how to make a eggless foam for a holiday cocktail party with vegan friends and there you are, as always, right on the spot! You rock!
Happy to help! Cheers!
We use aquafaba at my workplace and the ckickpeas are used in the kitchen. We tested other foaming agents which are no comparison to what eggwhite/aquafaba can accomplish. I look forward to trying this one day.
Let me know how you like the results!
I actually like egg whites myself, but I think I'm still going to give this a try just for the convenience factor of not needing to fiddle with eggs to obtain that wonderful silky texture.
Let me know how you like it 😉🥂
@@KevinKos I finally got around to trying it, and I love it! It's a very convenient way to add that body and luscious head to a cocktail, and I also love the texture it gives a stirred cocktail. I also had a stroke of genius and used it to sweeten an ice cream base taking advantage of the three stabilizers to create the smoothest ice cream I've ever had in my life. I think I'll introduce it to my friends as Triple Gomme Syrup after the three gums. Thanks again Mr. Kos!
My Kuvings VACUUM blender makes this super super easy. Everything in blender and blend. I believe the vacuum blend makes both super syrup & super juice more shelf stable too! Less O2 mixed in to liquids. Love these recipes, thanks!
This is genius! I’ll have to try this out. The smell of egg white can be off putting. This is such a game changer. Thanks for sharing!!
Thank you!
I've never used egg whites in my drinks due to dietary sensitivities, so I've been using aquafaba for years, but this will replace it. You are right. The aquafaba does impart a slight flavor. You won't notice it in a sour, but you will in something more subtle. So yes, I'm excited about this!
I have a feeling I'll be drinking more whiskey sours this winter. Adding egg white always makes the texture better, but it's such a hassle. Glad to have found a solution!
With Super Juice and Super Syrup, every cocktail you will be turning into a Super Cocktail!
I tried making this with CMC (=Caboxymethylcellulose) and that doesnt work. I thought it would since Methylcellulose and CMC are used for similar application, but allas.
Worth mentioning I reckon.
I struggled with this until I zoomed into the photo and found the exact methylcellulose he used - its HPMC. Thought I'd comment to avoid people losing time doing their own research
I've always found egg alternatives can't compare to the mouthfeel of the egg. Initially they'll be close, but the head settles out faster and the mouthfeel gets thinner. I'd be interested to hear how they compared over time. I've also found that often the egg smell won't be noticeable at first if you use fresh eggs, but as the cocktail warms over time it becomes much more apparent.
Great observation, Dan! Let me know if you decide to give Super Syrup a try and how that compares for you. For science! 😉 Cheers!
The wet dog smell dissipates if you prepare your egg whites before service. Liquid will intelligence has a page or two about it.
I’ve made several sours with super syrup and the foam goes nowhere! It is very persistent. Also the silky mouthfeel is really luxurious. I will probably never use egg white again.
Eventually I'd like to try this but if I never do, I've at least learnt the egg over the hawthorn strainer trick. Game changer
Great video as always, Kevin!
What Is the shelf life of this super syrup? And I think it would be a great idea to include shelf life for every special ingredient video you make from now on.
Absolutely! And storage directions
Wow this was super interesting and innovative. Thanks for the great tips.
And the quantity calculator at the website is awesome. Cheers!
This is amazing! I’m always looking for ways to keep my cocktails vegan. It was doubly cool that you put the calculator on your website.
Awesome! Cheers!
Freaking amazing! Perfect for vegan alternatives in cocktails, increasing the public target.
Glad you like it 😊🥂
my gosh Kevin... you and your team are always elevating the cocktail game for us viewers on youtube! thank you as always for bringing this amazing content! Going to definintely try this, as my vegan friends will appreciate!
Thank you very much for the kind words, Jon! I'd love to hear what your friends think when you make this for them. Cheers!
Really interesting stuff, Kevin! I'm not sure it's right for a home bar situation though given the number of steps in this process and the much shorter shelf life that Mike mentions in your video. I love seeing new innovations in bars though!
You might want to consider adding 0.05-0.1% of Sodium Benzoate to your syrups, so you won't ever have to worry about shelf life again.
@@JustiaFiat I am intrigued by how to use this ingredient to prolong shelf life. Please can you elaborate? Thanks!
"in METRIC, of course"
cheeky ;)
I am not sure if I follow this channel because of the boose or because of the engineering of the cocktails plus the visual effects. The latter have been getting to be the source of a huge curiosity and satisfaction. 👌
Thank you, Paulo, we appreciate you for following the channel for any or all reasons above!
@@KevinKos just to make sure I expressed the correct idea: the main topic is very interesting! The thing is that I started following your channel maybe by the first wave of confinement and I have been watching the evolution of the production of your videos. Lately, the visual effects you use are some sort of easter egg. I've been eager to see what you will come up with every new video.
@@prdcs thanks for noticing that! I will work even harder on the visuals!
Hello Kevin,
First of all thank you for your channel. I learn a lot every time I watch it and it's really good having someone sharing techniques about drinks.
Second I'm having a problem with the super syrup. I tried to replicate at home twice until I realized that I didn't buy methylcellulose, I bought carboxymethyl cellulose because this one is a little bit more accessible in Brazil. I wanted to know if you know the difference between methylcellulose and CMC and if there is a measure to use it and a right temperature (when I tried to put boiling water on CMC it firmed it like a thick gel).
I did the gum syrup and it worked just fine, but I really wanted to make the super syrup work because it would help me a lot at work.
Again, thanks a lot for your content. We, as bartenders, need more channels like yours, since we could apply so many different techniques behind the bar, but don't have a proper professionalization of the job, like gastronomy.
Kind regards.
Hi! Cmc doesn't work the same as methylcellulose. Have you tried ordering it on Amazon?
@@KevinKos I live in Brazil, so our Amazon it's local, but thanks for answering anyway. It's not easy or cheap to find methylcellulose over here, but I'll give another try 🫠
Thank you for the recipe Kevin. This is awesome. Quick Question: I am unable to find Methylcellulose where I live and getting Carboxy Methylcellulose instead. As far as I could read online, they are very similar. Could you let me know if they are like for like replacements?
Glad to share the recipe, Ankit. I'm not really sure about that, since this MC was what I could get online (there were no additional names, like the F50 used by Mike). If you find any additional information on this topic please report back and share what you've learned! Cheers!
I am a chemist and I can assure you that methyl cellulose and carboxymethylcellulose are completely different animals with very different properties. They are not substitutes for one another.
Kevin kos can to make super egg white very quickly recipe is
1 liter cold water
20 gr metil gel
All in the blend for two minutes and after keep in the fridge for 12 hours after can used ☺️
Thanks!
This is the first video of yours I've seen. Amazing! Also thanks for specifying the methocel used, they all do such different things! Cheers!
Welcome aboard! Cheers!
I definitely want to make this syrup. Guess I have to make my way to that website to figure out these measurements. I love the fact that you Truffles on the Rocks and Anders all post on the same day. It's like bar hoping.
Methylcellulose also has the benefit of being a bulk-forming laxative
I use methyl gel, Xantan and water. Works pretty well
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INGREDIENTS
Sour Syrup
Mike Capoferri | Los Angeles
3 grams Methocel F50
100 grams boiling hot water
200 grams cold water
300 grams granulated sugar
DIRECTIONS
Combine methylcellulose and hot water, stirring until solids are fully disolved.
Separately, pour cold water into a high-power blender set to the lowest speed.
Slowly add the hot water and methyleellulose mix into the blender and blend for 4 minutes.
Place pitcher in freezer until foam dissipates, approximately 10 minutes.
Remove from freezer and whisk in sugar.
Allow to settle, then whisk again to incorporate any remaining sugar crystals.
Bottle and store.
INGREDIENTS
Super Syrup/500ml
3.6 grams Methocel F50
100 grams boiling hot water
200 grams cold water
360 grams granulated sugar
36g gum arabic
DIRECTIONS
Combine 36g of gum arabic with 60g of boiling hot water. Mix well and allow to sit for 12 HOURS.
Combine 360g of sugar, 0.6 g of xantham gum, and 200g of cold water. Blend till sugar is disolved.
Combine 3.6g methylcellulose and 100g hot water, stirring until solids are fully disolved.
Hand stir and combine arabic syrup, xantham syrup, and methylcellulose syrup.
Shelf life is half of simple syrup in the fridge.
Amazing.What is the life span of this magical, super sour syrup? Thanks,
Nada reemplaza a la clara de huevo, en el Sour es genial porque le da textura sedosa que gusta mucho. Y en cuanto al olor, no gustará a algunos pero a otros si, además el bitter angostura lo aromatiza bien.
Soy de Lima Perú, y cuando preparo un buen Pisco Sour también preparo un buen cóctel de algarrobina, de esa manera aprovecho la yema del huevo.
Saludos. 🇵🇪
Ooohhhh. I was just talking with a friend who was vegan and missed whiskey sours. Will have to try this!
Awesome! Cheers!
Super great video as always, thank you for always sharing Sir Kevin, my big concern is how long does it lasting for the homemade super Syrup? Thank you for attention.
Hi Kevin, love your videos.
I have 2 important questions that are unclear:
1. Is the super syrup a substitute to simple syrup also? How to calculate the amounts?
2. Are you using Hydroxypropyl Methylcellulose (F50)? Or just
Methylcellulose?
Im allergic to the whites of eggs so this will help me greatly, i love a good sour but never tried the foamy versions because i cant have the egg whites
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Hey Kevin, I just wanted to let you know that I made the super syrup, and it turned out superbly! Thank you-it was a great experiment for me. I’ll be posting about it on my Instagram very soon, and I’ll make sure to tag you. By the way, how long is its shelf life, and are there any allergens I should be aware of?
First time here. Thank you for the content. I look forward to more.
super amazing, i will give it a try and apply it on my flavor blaster 😁
i simply love this channel for stuff like this!
Thank you!
I’ve never noticed an egg white smell. But Aquafaba is super strong to my nose and a turnoff. Will have to try this.
Can't wait to hear back from you! 🥂
I just made this and I’m really happy with the taste ! Thanks for the educational videos ! Nevertheless I couldnt get a thick foam like you do, any advice on what to tweak ?
I am happy that you like it! What cocktail did you do with it? Did you do a reverse dry shake?
@@KevinKos Hey Kevin! Thanks for the reply. I just notice that the methylcellulose I bought isn’t pure… I will try again with a better product ! Thanks for all the precise and creative content !
Would be interesting to add Food Grade Polysorbate 80, which is a powerful foaming agent, to the syrup as well as the methylcellulose. Or alternatively something like Foamex Quillaja Extract which is derived from plants, much harder to get though than Food Grade Polysorbate 80. Modernist Pantry for instance sells Polysorbate 80. Searching around a little bit while writing this I fell over a product called Fee Foam protein replacement by a company called Fee Brothers, it uses polysorbate 80, would be really cool to see you use it!
Thank you for the video! Thats very interesting💗
Hi Kevin!. Nice video!.
Could I use Carboxymethylcellulose instead of Methylcellulose??
Thanks!!
Im gonna answer myself...
After testing with both, this is what I found:
This 2 components are completly diferent, and you will get 2 huge diferent results...
Starting with:
1) Methylcellulose E Number is E461 and Cas Number is 9004-67-5
2) CarboxyMethylcellulose E Number is E466 and Cas Number is 9000-11-7
You dont need to know nothing more...
I TEST both, and Carboxy is not what you are looking for, is not working at all...
Greetings.
You are a very fun channel to watch. Glad I found.
Glad you like it! Thanks!
Fantastic as always
This is absolutely fascinating
Thanks a lot I was looking for something like this for a long time 👍🏻
I gotta admit I'm getting tired of lemon curd, custards, and super intense omelets. I'll give this a try lol
@KevinKos I have been using many of your syrups and particularly the Super Syrup for over a year with my cocktail program. I have decided to try to use it with a cocktail I had previously used Egg white with. It is a Rosemary Hemmingway. So I tried making a Rosemary Super Syrup by making Rosemary water and using that blended with sugar and Xanthum Gum. But the foam is dissipating Super quick unlike with the regular Super Syrup. I have been trying to remedy but have become a bit stuck of what is doing it
Thank you Kevin, this syrup became an essential behind my bar and pushed my into trying a bunch a different sour variations with some great results!
Also because I love to play with your Grapefruit super juice I noticed that when those two are mixed it doesn't foam well... Maybe because of MSG, or malic acid ? Idk, I'm just letting you know, it's interesting.
Cheers !
I notice that on a cocktail made with lime juice (which also has a malic acid) the foam dissipates a bit faster than usual. I guess the problem is in malic acid.
Solved mystery ;)
Probably never make super syrup but omg crack the egg over an upside down strainer?! Genius!!
I'm incredibly excited to try this. I always found the smell quite off-putting. Thanks!
Cheers! 😉🥂
Thanks for this recipe, Kevin. I love the texture of the egg white in my cocktails, but usually I preferred don’t use it in home because I don’t know what to do with the yolk. And the aquafaba it’s a great substitute, but needs to be prepare with some hours in advance, and usually I want my cocktail in the moment 😄
Thanks again, guys.
There are also cocktails that use egg yolk.
Or you could make a custard with the yolks. (For tomorrows dessert or cake)
You could use the combination of a yolk and cream or milk to make a rich and creamy drink or a luxurious coffee.
Bin it lol
methylcellulose also makes for fluffy poops
Thx for this. I can't digest the proteins in egg whites- they make me violently ill. (And I used to LOVE egg white cocktails) so this makes my day!
Awesome! Cheers!
Again… such great informative cutting-edge content. THANK YOU!!!
Awesome! Thank you!
Great idea! I am going to try this at my next cocktail house party. I don't mind using egg whites but it's such a waste of yolks but I also don't make enough cocktails to justify buying a carton of egg whites. I tried using egg white powder as well (buy at baking shops) and it works fine but it's messy and can get lumpy :/
It's a game-changer for parties! Check out the episodes with pre-batched cocktails as well and enjoy your party, cheers!
I'll definitely be trying this. We've used aquafaba, but it never really satisfied like egg whites.
I already make my syrup and add a few things to the recipe. It takes a day or so of heating, cooling and heating again. Do you think that the Methylcellulose, Gum Arabic and Xanthan Gum would hold up? Or maybe I'd be better off mixing them separately and adding at the end?
Super sirop super validé. L'apport du xantham maintient bien la mousse. Merci @MikeCapoferri et @cocktailtimewithKevinKos pour cette ingénieuse idée !
Does it matter if I use carboxy methyl cellulose powder or methyl cellulose f50 powder?
Yes, it does. You have to use methycellulose (f50) or methocell from specialingredients.
So... Using superjuice and supersyrup you could pre-batch a classic egg white cocktail! Quite useful!
😉
I've seen literally hundreds of cocktail videos, and this is the FIRST time I've ever seen that Hawthorne strainer for the egg trick. It's fucking genius
Thank you Kevin for sharing this alternative. My question is, how can you use in any cocktail involving different kind of syrup or fruit puree, let's say a pink lady, a clover club or even any sour twisted like a watermelon tequila sour. How do you balance it ? Do you batch a new super syrup with that precise ingredients ( like raspberry for the clover club)? Thank you
Check out my clover club episode where I made the modern version of this cocktail using Raspberry Super Syrup. Cheers!
Great video Kevin! Could you increase the shelf life by doubling the sugar content, and making it a 2:1 super syrup? Would you need to adjust the measurements of the xanthan gum, gum arabic, and methylcellulose as well?
I was just going to ask the same. Other sources I follow always do a 2:1 simple because it's shelf stable, 1:1 isn't as much
Love your content , Kevin ! Question…. Methyl cellulose used as a laxative. Have you noticed if that has happened after consuming ?
I wanted to know as well. Simple syrup should always be 2:1. As Dave Arnold said, simple syrup is pourable sugar, not sweet water.
Awesome vid! Mike C is a cocktail wizard!!
He really is!
The far quicker way to make the syrup is to mix it all together in a high speed blender and de-foam it by putting it in a vacuum chamber (cryovac machine).
Thank you for sharing this!
Have you tried egg white powder? Would probably need a dry shake, or maybe rehydrate first, either way no wasted yokes.
I have. I also made an episode dedicated to the egg white in different forms. Check it out.
Question: Can I replace the COLD WATER with a blend of water & strained blended fruit puree? or will the acid destroy the stabilizers before I get into service? Thank you
Fantastic video! Could this be made into a "rich" super syrup? With a 2:1 ratio of sugar to water.
thank you for entertaining and informational videos. thanks and cheers. Oredered some Liber & Co thanks for additional saving.
Thank you, hope you enjoy the syrups and that you continue to enjoy the videos! Cheers!
From my own experience, the use of ultrasonic baths to dissolve xanthan oder gum arabic can be much more fester
Thanks Kevin and team! Quick question - what's the maximum amount of time I can let the Gum syrup sit by itself before using it? Having it precisely sit for 12 hours makes it difficult to plan when I can start the whole process.
Thank you! I'm allergic to eggs so this is so useful
Glad it was helpful!
Great vid as usual. Was going to stock up on a few Liber syrups between their summer sale and your added discount. However, when I got to checkout o saw to my chagrin that shipping charge was almost as much as the syrup. Abort mission and go to Amazon prime.
Oh man, that's a bummer! When I checked I saw free shipping, but I had just over $50 in my cart (after all the discounts) which I now see it applicable for orders over $50. The shelf life of the syrups we have in the studio seems to be great, stored in the fridge after opening, of course. Thanks for watching the video and your comment. Cheers, Adam!
Do you think making this without sugar will work? Wondering if it isn’t as stable or if the end product doesn’t have the same effect if the sugar is omitted.
You'll get your question answered really soon, stay tuned! 😎
Hello, Friend of Cocktail!
Do you know if I can replace MC with CMC (Carboxymethyl cellulose)? It's difficult/impossibe to find in Poland so I'm wondering if it can also be used instead of MC.
I can't seem to get this syrup to work. I've tried both this recipe and the original (including different types of methylcellulose) and every time a make a drink, the small head fizzes away in seconds. Single shake, dry shake, reverse shake, nothing helps. Do you have any ideas what might be going wrong?
Try Cocktail & Sons spiced demerara for an old fashioned.. it's delicious
Hi ! How long I could conserved an homemade « white egg syrup » ?
i've had a dumb idea related to my other comentt, what if the egg whites were procced and mixed vigouraoy with some foam agents and stabilisicers, then its humidiry reduced around 15% and then when the drink was made put in a mixing device inside a cold vacuum chamber for a few secs so the foam expads even further
Sounds too good to be true. good Video, i Love the insane quality and effort. Keep Up Guys :)
I thought the same when I made the latest recipe for the Super Syrup. Thank you!
There’s a volume discrepancy between the two recipes that confuses me a bit. Surely the balance is thrown off slightly from the recipe with 25ml less non-alcoholic liquid in the drink?
Great content, with a vegan partner this will come in handy!
Cracking the egg over a Hawthorne is genius!
Do you know how bitters hold up when added to the top of the Super Syrup? May not need them to cover the smell, but still a nice garnish.
Perhaps this has already been answered… but can you divide this syrup up and freeze it??