Thank you. I always wondered about this story but you cleared it up. Also the part about humility, makes me think of Hanna. I don’t have the time or patience to read dozens of commentaries, books on philosophy and history, but you present a treasure of information in these lectures. Wonderful stuff.
oh gosh...so beautifully explained. I wanted to be specific and tell you which particular part of your teaching stood out for me ....its all of it! Bless you and your loved ones!
Hi Mr. Gore, I was wondering if there is an alternative interpretation to the exchange between Jesus and the woman. His first statement to her gave me the impression of his focus toward the salvation of the Israelites. And her response seems to symbolize the situation whereby the Israelites are not embracing his teachings but some gentiles are desperate for what he has to offer. His last statement seems to reflect some aspect of the prophecy in Revelation, where only 144,000 Jews are saved but his Kingdom will be brought to Earth for 1,000 years through Christian gentiles.
Hi, Bruce. I have been binge-watching your Sunday school lessons. Thank you for making them available. This particular lesson on the Syro- Phoenician woman was particularly interesting to me because it helped me to make a connection to another scripture that has had me stumped for some time. I had wondered, for years, about the reference to “dogs surround me” in Psalm 22. After having watched this video, I think it seems to be a reference to the Roman gentiles. What are your thoughts?
It looks like I have an exemple for each of the palabolae written in Mark's Gospel. Initially I did not intend to share it, but your lecture made me cry, so here it is my 'revange'. Once upon a time, in a contemporary gentile community, in a communist habitat, a beautiful woman has a daughter. The child is normal, but for reasons known only by God, she is forbidden from many things that could contribute to the girl's blossom. The woman thinks that if she can escape the environment by leaving, moving, separating, divorcing, running away, defecting, etc. she will save her child. Only she suddenly gets sick, she is rushed to the hospital where she suffers a heavy surgery. They tell her she has cancer and they leave a very ugly scar all over her belly. Years of secret turmoil, tears, fears and sadness will follow. As in any sad story, in the end the woman dyes and from the conversation the daughter has with the autopsy doctor, she finds out the woman was just buchered, she never had cancer, she never got removed an inch of her intestines. It looks like the Gospels have to be re-written in order to reflect the evolution of our civilized world.
Thank you for that. I'm not sure it requires a rewriting of the gospels, however, which take quite seriously the fundamental cruelty and corruption of the human race.
Mark 7:27 “First let the children eat all they want,” he told her, “for it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” The little girl is by stress and chaos of a home rattled by discourse (domestic squabble; inconsolable, maybe separation from the father; ‘breadwinner’! Jesus suggest woman leave matters of parenting as is to take priority comforting her little girl’s emotional state. Do not waste the richness of love; and love of provider, for selfish reason; as woman recognizes daughter in her distraught state. Keep food on the table; woman understands… scraps ‘scraps’ May settle to the floor; safe child from strife! Woman UNDERSTANDS love Jesus embraces daughter and family plight. Jesus means she must NOT worry about feeding the ‘Dog’ under the table (ie. the underlying problem) to which she understands with comment of ‘scraps that fall to the floor’ which Jesus acknowledges affirmatively… happy that she has Understood and completed His Parable properly -- understanding domestic/family priorities! No negativity is ever expressed in Jesus Teachings, pointed attention grabbers (as this exchange) is positive; directed and understood by the person or persons of whom it would prosper! This Intelligent woman; which pleases the Lord, Hears the Light He has Cast For Her! Reign in your judgement of Jesus; be not appalled by His Words… to which you add the tone! Remember; Jesus IS HERE, Preaching Always; with Loving Authority!!! Discern the Love of Christ, first and always… Release the All-knowing contempt, in your voice! Love; discern the Gentleness of Jesus; God; then conjugate it for others! Listen to the tone of your video; your voice, and tell me if an all loving; gentle Jesus would talk with such bold explosiveness! God wants us to be like ‘little children’; is your voice filled with nourishment which even Children benefit! Settle down; take your time, LOVE the Message; Served by the MAN, the Word Made-Flesh… Walking His Morsels of Truth; Guidance and Light throughout the Land! Jesus IS ONLY harsh with Pharisees and Sadducees; arrogant teachers! Please listen to the tone of your video; do you feel as a Child, Hearing the Words of your Loving Father; our Holy God of Israel! Watch for your ‘burst of ego’! Listen; be your audience, as you sit ‘beside’ Jesus! Amen
I disagree completely with this teaching. Jesus was in complete control of this moment, and He, in His great wisdom, knew this woman's beautiful faith, as well as her perseverance, and instead utilized the interaction to draw out His own disciples' prejudices. He knew He was going to heal her precious daughter from the first moment, but let those journeying with Him percolate in their negative thoughts. Jesus first remained silent until they urged Him to send her away. Then He engaged with her. Jesus taught them a valuable lesson.
The pericope of the Syro=Phoenician Woman is the only time I can hear Jesus laugh, This is the one of the longest dialogues in Mark and, while I subscribe to your description of the transaction, I would expand the characterization to being similar to "playing the dozens" in Black communities, the ubiquitous "Yo Mama" exchanges, as in "Yo mama's so fat, she ...etc". Now, Jesus seems a little grumpy to me, starting out, something either David Pawson or Paula Gooder mentions in their commentaries: He's come north to rest and get away from the crowds and this persistent woman won't go away. So, as you point out, He beats her about the head and shoulders with her ethnic heritage until He hurls the final insult comparing her to a dog. And this is where the woman turns the relationship on its head: where Jesus goes out of way to enter, and respect, the reality of His co-respondents, she invades His motif and wins the game. Jesus' compassion is His concession and His admiration for her wit. It's a lovely moment.
excellent as always, thanks Bruce!
Thank you. I always wondered about this story but you cleared it up. Also the part about humility, makes me think of Hanna. I don’t have the time or patience to read dozens of commentaries, books on philosophy and history, but you present a treasure of information in these lectures. Wonderful stuff.
Love your style of teaching. Perfect way to study and understand... Thank you so much. God bless you and your family 🙏
Thank you!
So rich! I continue to be encouraged on this amazing journey through Mark... shouting amen the whole time! 🤗 Thank you Bruce!
Mark is an amazing book! ...I'm just trying not to get in the way. Thanks for your kind encouragement!
oh gosh...so beautifully explained. I wanted to be specific and tell you which particular part of your teaching stood out for me ....its all of it! Bless you and your loved ones!
Many thanks!
It's a beautiful story ❤
Hi Mr. Gore, I was wondering if there is an alternative interpretation to the exchange between Jesus and the woman. His first statement to her gave me the impression of his focus toward the salvation of the Israelites. And her response seems to symbolize the situation whereby the Israelites are not embracing his teachings but some gentiles are desperate for what he has to offer. His last statement seems to reflect some aspect of the prophecy in Revelation, where only 144,000 Jews are saved but his Kingdom will be brought to Earth for 1,000 years through Christian gentiles.
Thanks for that. Strictly speaking, your hypothesis would be more of an extended application than an interpretation.
Hi, Bruce.
I have been binge-watching your Sunday school lessons.
Thank you for making them available.
This particular lesson on the Syro- Phoenician woman was particularly interesting to me because it helped me to make a connection to another scripture that has had me stumped for some time.
I had wondered, for years, about the reference to “dogs surround me” in Psalm 22. After having watched this video, I think it seems to be a reference to the Roman gentiles. What are your thoughts?
I think that is a great insight! Thanks!
It looks like I have an exemple for each of the palabolae written in Mark's Gospel. Initially I did not intend to share it, but your lecture made me cry, so here it is my 'revange'. Once upon a time, in a contemporary gentile community, in a communist habitat, a beautiful woman has a daughter. The child is normal, but for reasons known only by God, she is forbidden from many things that could contribute to the girl's blossom. The woman thinks that if she can escape the environment by leaving, moving, separating, divorcing, running away, defecting, etc. she will save her child. Only she suddenly gets sick, she is rushed to the hospital where she suffers a heavy surgery. They tell her she has cancer and they leave a very ugly scar all over her belly. Years of secret turmoil, tears, fears and sadness will follow. As in any sad story, in the end the woman dyes and from the conversation the daughter has with the autopsy doctor, she finds out the woman was just buchered, she never had cancer, she never got removed an inch of her intestines.
It looks like the Gospels have to be re-written in order to reflect the evolution of our civilized world.
Thank you for that. I'm not sure it requires a rewriting of the gospels, however, which take quite seriously the fundamental cruelty and corruption of the human race.
Bruce Gore There have to be same good seeds to improve the race, I am sure. My best wishes to you and your family.
Tashakorat a fravan aziz madar
Thank you!
Mark 7:27 “First let the children eat all they want,” he told her, “for it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
The little girl is by stress and chaos of a home rattled by discourse (domestic squabble; inconsolable, maybe separation from the father; ‘breadwinner’!
Jesus suggest woman leave matters of parenting as is to take priority comforting her little girl’s emotional state.
Do not waste the richness of love; and love of provider, for selfish reason; as woman recognizes daughter in her distraught state.
Keep food on the table; woman understands… scraps ‘scraps’ May settle to the floor; safe child from strife!
Woman UNDERSTANDS love Jesus embraces daughter and family plight.
Jesus means she must NOT worry about feeding the ‘Dog’ under the table (ie. the underlying problem)
to which she understands with comment of ‘scraps that fall to the floor’ which Jesus acknowledges affirmatively… happy that she has Understood and completed His Parable properly -- understanding domestic/family priorities!
No negativity is ever expressed in Jesus Teachings, pointed attention grabbers (as this exchange) is positive; directed and understood by the person or persons of whom it would prosper!
This Intelligent woman; which pleases the Lord, Hears the Light He has Cast For Her!
Reign in your judgement of Jesus; be not appalled by His Words… to which you add the tone!
Remember; Jesus IS HERE, Preaching Always; with Loving Authority!!!
Discern the Love of Christ, first and always…
Release the All-knowing contempt, in your voice!
Love; discern the Gentleness of Jesus; God; then conjugate it for others!
Listen to the tone of your video; your voice, and tell me if an all loving; gentle Jesus would talk with such bold explosiveness!
God wants us to be like ‘little children’; is your voice filled with nourishment which even Children benefit!
Settle down; take your time, LOVE the Message; Served by the MAN, the Word Made-Flesh… Walking His Morsels of Truth; Guidance and Light throughout the Land!
Jesus IS ONLY harsh with Pharisees and Sadducees; arrogant teachers!
Please listen to the tone of your video; do you feel as a Child, Hearing the Words of your Loving Father; our Holy God of Israel!
Watch for your ‘burst of ego’!
Listen; be your audience, as you sit ‘beside’ Jesus!
Amen
May Father YAHweh bless your understanding and show you His Resurrected Son YAHwehShua. Praise Father YAHweh.
I disagree completely with this teaching. Jesus was in complete control of this moment, and He, in His great wisdom, knew this woman's beautiful faith, as well as her perseverance, and instead utilized the interaction to draw out His own disciples' prejudices.
He knew He was going to heal her precious daughter from the first moment, but let those journeying with Him percolate in their negative thoughts. Jesus first remained silent until they urged Him to send her away. Then He engaged with her.
Jesus taught them a valuable lesson.
The pericope of the Syro=Phoenician Woman is the only time I can hear Jesus laugh,
This is the one of the longest dialogues in Mark and, while I subscribe to your description of the transaction, I would expand the characterization to being similar to "playing the dozens" in Black communities, the ubiquitous "Yo Mama" exchanges, as in "Yo mama's so fat, she ...etc".
Now, Jesus seems a little grumpy to me, starting out, something either David Pawson or Paula Gooder mentions in their commentaries: He's come north to rest and get away from the crowds and this persistent woman won't go away. So, as you point out, He beats her about the head and shoulders with her ethnic heritage until He hurls the final insult comparing her to a dog.
And this is where the woman turns the relationship on its head: where Jesus goes out of way to enter, and respect, the reality of His co-respondents, she invades His motif and wins the game. Jesus' compassion is His concession and His admiration for her wit.
It's a lovely moment.
Severely inaccurate!