Besson Sovereign Flugelhorn Review - Czardas and Slavische Fantasie
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2016
- Bought this instrument as a replacement for one of my band members. I think it's just fantastic.
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That looks like a cool instrument. It won't stop me from crying at night, and it won't stop the nightmares, but it's cool.
Nice first comment
+Miyamotospoop13 If only your appreciation could shush the voices... And thanks.
+LeKooz Sounds like someone needs a cuddle. *cuddle*
Dude, your videos are so amazing, you are like my idol for playing brass instruments as I am a brass player myself.
And now i am going to play something more interesting...
You got that right!
One of my favourite instruments
I bought a 1982 B&H Imperial flugel a couple of months ago. It plays beautifully, only a couple of minor scratches on it, hardly used. Looks identical to this round stamp sovereign, excepting the 1st valve slide is horizontal instead of vertical so also has no water key, and the finger ring isn't a full ring. I love it.
Shame I'm playing tenor trom, bass trom, and euphonium for 3 different bands on 3 nights a week and the flugel sits there doing nothing unless I practice...
My flatmate picked up a late 50's-ish besson cornet for $100. Better as a shelf piece perhaps as it's in terrible shape (ex-Woolston brass, was probably put through the kids in its later years before being passed off to the pawn shop he found it at). However, all dings, bends, stuck slides, and structural breakages aside, the valves are still more or less mirror-finish and work flawlessly, no sticky pistons at all.
I'm half tempted to buy a set of dent balls and a gas torch and get to work. I must have watched every repair video on TH-cam now about 3 times over.
So smooth!
The old Sovereign tenor horn that I play in my band has some drainage issues, too. The first water key is behind the valve assembly, so the bottom half of the horn gets drenched if you're not careful. I hope they've figured things like this out with their newer horns.
Very true! When it comes to used but well cared for brass instruments you should look at Alisyn Valve Slide Key Oil! Not only does it make old valves feel like new but it keeps your valve no matter if they are rotary or perinet valves lime new longer. Some guys will think poorly of it because it feels slowly than water or kerosene based valve oils. That said they can not hope to voice notes as fast as the pistons can move anyways so it is a silly thing to even say! It is like the difference between 0W20, 5W40, 10W60 oil in your car. Ow20 looks good on paper and might even produce a bit more power on a dyno but at what cost long term! Cheers!
It sounds beautiful
Wow, I can't believe I missed this this video. I could tell from the very first note how gorgeous of a sound this horn has, despite many of these pieces not being flugel friendly. Makes me want one. We'll see I suppose.
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for it?
Are you interested in the hybrid plastic/brass instruments being put out by Tromba recently? I'm considering getting the flugelhorn to replace my crappy Tristar trumpet, and I'd love to know your thoughts on the range.
I'd love to try some, that's for sure.
Good horn. I play and old Besson New Standard euph. While I definitely agree about old instruments in good shape, an instrument like the euphonium which has changed over the last few decades will have a different sound than the older ones. Not bad, but different.
Even through my crappy little plastic cased speakers that sounded great , a lovely warm tone. BTW how much was it (£) ?
From memory it was 600 pounds.
That's heavy!
what is the first piece that you played?
That’s a fantastic horn
The remainder of Czardas isnt necessarily uninteresting... Interesting instrument! It might be the mobile phone speaker, but it sounds a bit, well, undefined or inprecise, i cant really find tge words...
Is that's your mellophone behind u???
What song is that and where dou think I could pick up the sheets? It sounds fun to play.
There's two pieces I play excerpts from - Czardas by Monti and Slavische Fantasie. Check out Google and you'll find copies out there, I'm sure.
+Trent Hamilton Thank you! I more meant the first one because I cannot play nearly as fast as you on the second one lol, but that will be fun to practice too.
are cornets and flugelhorns still considered trumpets?
Yes. A cornet is better at sounding trumpet-like. Flugelhorns also have bad tuning problems higher in the register.
Czardes sounds so good on flugelhorn
The mouthpiece on the horn looks fairly larger than on a trumpet. Are Flugel mouthpieces usually that large?
+LordChaos246 They're actually smaller if any difference
GraySquared Oh, maybe my eyes are deceiving me then haha!
+LordChaos246 The mouthpieces are much shorter than trumpet mouthpieces, the bore size is similar, and the cup is slightly larger and quite a bit deeper.
Okay, I thought the cup was bigger. Thanks Trent.
i have to play Slavische Fantasie...good reference thanks
You should play theme from green bushes by Percy Grainger
Percy Grainger pieces always benefit from some flugelhorn.
Didn't say he had to play in flugelhorn he can play it on euphonium
You play for salvation army band who are the pastor's Trent?
At my corps, we have Major LePine and Lieutenant Green.
+Trent Hamilton
Thank you. interesting
Have you ever played a bass flugelhorn? It seems to be the only instrument missing in your collection.
Isaac Cisa Bofarull Sounds like a euphonium to me
@@billygarvey633 bass flugelhorns are practically the same instrument, the flugelhorn being as it is, it's pretty much a soprano eupho so it make sense that a bass flugel sounds like a eupho
Yea it’s called a euphonium
Pull the main slide out
Looks like a Boosey and Hawkes (roundstamp or globestamp, if you prefer) Sovereign rather than a Besson to me... not that it makes much difference, if anything the old roundstamp B&H sovereign instruments are more desirable than the Besson sovereign instruments.
That said, there have always been 3 exceptions to the stellar reputation that most sovereign instrument models have had... those are the soprano cornet (which was absolutely appalling), the trombones and the flugel.
The pristine condition of this one may well mean that it sat in a bands cupboard for years whilst a better instrument got the actual use (often a Bach 183 strad or a Yamaha 631, though there are many others).
Still, if it works as intended then all is well - it could be a particularly good one that was overlooked on reputation alone, or it could've been overlooked because the flugel player had their own instrument that they preferred....
eeer, you have a band??
Is that's your mellophone behind u???