Yeah for me I hate playing the king's indian defense positions as Black, and this is coming from someone who played the opening for a long time! I also started playing 1.Nf3 recently and noticed that the move 1...Nc6 is a lot tougher than some other choices as it pretty much forces white's hand on turn 2, and does so by offering a ton of different transpositions, or Black will end up getting a nice center with e5 (2.e4 e5, 2.d4 d5) After watching this I decided to do some homework here as I should really expect the move myself. and honestly, I think there's three choices for white if you're playing for an objective "advantage" here (your g3 setup is still good if you like pirc/kings indian defense positions) Objectively the only move that has an "advantage" is 2.d4 transposing into the chigorin defense. It also doesnt help that the classic QGD structure for Black now has the chances to liquidate with 2.d4 d5 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 dxc4!? 5.e3 Na5! which ends up feeling no different than really solid lines in the semi-slav, but White should be slightly better there. and the most popular choice from black is instead 3...Bg4 which feels all kinds of wrong after 4.cxd5 Bxf3 5.gxf3 Qxd5 6.e3 e5 7.Nc3 Bb4 8.a3 Bxc3+. The second choice is the move 3.e3 inviting Bg4, but after 4.Bb5 it's a case where I think white gets fairly decent play, despite us locking in the Bishop on c1. Play usually continues 4...e6 where we have a cool idea with 5.Nbd2! preparing both c4 and even a move like Qa4 where the Knight on f3 won't be stuck. the nice thing is if Black ever plays a move like a6 we can always damage the pawn structure and play c4 with really nice play against the c-pawns. lastly, and I think the most practical is to still play for a quasi-london system with 3.Bf4 Bg4 4.e3 e6 and we have our choice of Be2 with solid play against the weird Knight on c6, or c4 where lines are a bit more critical but both master games and online practice seems to show good results for white. All of this on top of 1...Nc6 being rare, and all of those silly gambit lines like 3...e5 make it a big headache no matter what 😅
Interesting analysis. Wonderful comment. Thank you for that. I found a different approach. Or at least learned greatly from allowing this too many times and picking up a Chessable course on the KIA. In that I found the move order wise d4 must be played whenever they can play e5. Typically it is after the main sequence - 1.Nf3 d5, 2.g3 c5, 3.Bg2 Nc6, 4.d4 and you play for a reverse Grunfeld or Chigorin sort of structures. 1.Nc6 is quite rare for sure but club level it is seen at it was here. In this particular game I should have played either 2.d4 or wait for 3.d4 but it may have already been too late if you wait. I found playing ONLY the typical setup for KIA was not always correct in my travels. So I am working to correct this and in the next few videos it will come up with corrections. Thanks again for your well thought out and crafted comment. Much appreciated.
Yeah for me I hate playing the king's indian defense positions as Black, and this is coming from someone who played the opening for a long time! I also started playing 1.Nf3 recently and noticed that the move 1...Nc6 is a lot tougher than some other choices as it pretty much forces white's hand on turn 2, and does so by offering a ton of different transpositions, or Black will end up getting a nice center with e5 (2.e4 e5, 2.d4 d5) After watching this I decided to do some homework here as I should really expect the move myself. and honestly, I think there's three choices for white if you're playing for an objective "advantage" here (your g3 setup is still good if you like pirc/kings indian defense positions) Objectively the only move that has an "advantage" is 2.d4 transposing into the chigorin defense. It also doesnt help that the classic QGD structure for Black now has the chances to liquidate with 2.d4 d5 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 dxc4!? 5.e3 Na5! which ends up feeling no different than really solid lines in the semi-slav, but White should be slightly better there. and the most popular choice from black is instead 3...Bg4 which feels all kinds of wrong after 4.cxd5 Bxf3 5.gxf3 Qxd5 6.e3 e5 7.Nc3 Bb4 8.a3 Bxc3+.
The second choice is the move 3.e3 inviting Bg4, but after 4.Bb5 it's a case where I think white gets fairly decent play, despite us locking in the Bishop on c1. Play usually continues 4...e6 where we have a cool idea with 5.Nbd2! preparing both c4 and even a move like Qa4 where the Knight on f3 won't be stuck. the nice thing is if Black ever plays a move like a6 we can always damage the pawn structure and play c4 with really nice play against the c-pawns.
lastly, and I think the most practical is to still play for a quasi-london system with 3.Bf4 Bg4 4.e3 e6 and we have our choice of Be2 with solid play against the weird Knight on c6, or c4 where lines are a bit more critical but both master games and online practice seems to show good results for white.
All of this on top of 1...Nc6 being rare, and all of those silly gambit lines like 3...e5 make it a big headache no matter what 😅
Interesting analysis. Wonderful comment. Thank you for that.
I found a different approach. Or at least learned greatly from allowing this too many times and picking up a Chessable course on the KIA. In that I found the move order wise d4 must be played whenever they can play e5. Typically it is after the main sequence - 1.Nf3 d5, 2.g3 c5, 3.Bg2 Nc6, 4.d4 and you play for a reverse Grunfeld or Chigorin sort of structures. 1.Nc6 is quite rare for sure but club level it is seen at it was here. In this particular game I should have played either 2.d4 or wait for 3.d4 but it may have already been too late if you wait. I found playing ONLY the typical setup for KIA was not always correct in my travels. So I am working to correct this and in the next few videos it will come up with corrections. Thanks again for your well thought out and crafted comment. Much appreciated.