FIREWOOD CUSTOMERS - HOW MUCH DO THEY SPEND & GET?
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- You want and need to know just how much wood my average customer gets and how much do they pay me for their firewood! Today is the day you find out!
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Mornin y’all. I split 10-12 cords a year and I love the fact that each cord is spoken for as it’s split. One lady wants her cord every April because she wants it in her wood shed out the weather. That shed is made of old tin and it gets really hot during the day and dries the wood nicely.
I split about 55 to 60 full cords a year, and 90% is already spoken for as will.
nice!
Very good!
@@DanielAtkinsFirewood impressive and that much makes it a job, lol.
@saltrock9642 : Sometimes it does feel like a job. However, since I am inside all day selling automotive parts and giving technical help, it's nice to be outside away from the phones and other electronics..
Nice talk Chris. You know a lot more than just how to operate a processor, chainsaw, splitter or tractor. I assume Mrs Woodward deserves the credit for being the book keeper and has a purse full of Benjamins to show for it. Same here. GNI
Yup, she runs the businesses.
Hey Chris.man I learn so much from you.Thanks for what you do.True mentor to the community
I appreciate that!
I live on a farm in Central NY State, in a very rural area. I heated with wood for 32 years in my old farmhouse and I lost that house in a fire in 2012. Built a new modular 1400 sq. feet on a full poured foundation basement. No wood, only oil. I missed the wood heat however so this past year I had a new Regency wood stove and chimney installed by a competent dealer. The stove is in the basement; I can pretty much heat most of the house, most of the time. I have tractors, chainsaws, a wood splitter, and a 100 acre woodlot. As I slowly return to the wood heating world, I realize how much different wood heat feels than an oil furnace. I’m not trying to save money, I’m trying to stay warm! Firewood around here typically sells for $60-80 a face cord. Looks like I’ll need about 15 f.c to get through a winter. Also wanted that wood stove to not be dependent on electricity for our frequent power outages. I like your videos and have learned a few tweaks and tricks from you!
That is awesome, keep cuttin'!
Thanks for sharing Chris! Appreciate all the information and makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for watching!
Great video Chris you layed out a number of good points we all can learn from. Thanks. Keep on cutting
Thanks!
I spent most of my working life in some sort of customer service and you just get it. I appreciate that about you and your channel.
Thanks Philip!
Great video on firewood customers!! Learned a long time ago to get to know your customers!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
yup. Thanks
Chris - I’m a big fan of the channel and really enjoy all of your videos. I have to tell you though, you really hit it out of the park with this one!! Excellent advice about customer service for anyone selling firewood (or anything for that matter). Your customers are lucky to have you! Thank you for another great video! 🙌
I appreciate that! Thanks!
Good day Chris , excellent answers to many questions you must receive. You know you’re business and clientele that’s what counts. Exceptional! Cheers my friend 👌🏻🔥🇨🇦
thanks!
Appreciate you sharing. I'm currently in a marketing class for school so this info is insightful. Also, I've made the most elaborate roadside bundle stand before. So I like the simplicity of this business. Keep it up 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Good Morning Chris and all the woodyard. I have found out that when I use to sell firewood that my regular customers would buy all there winter wood from me in the summer or fall. Others that used a fire place and for weekend fire would call me in the fall for the one cord or more.
Yup, heating people mostly plan ahead.
Awesome vid today Chris! 🔥💯👍. I always enjoy your gather round and chat vids! See you soon! Andrew from NB :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Chris, great explanation. Everyones area is different and prices reflect that. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
I’ve been enjoying your videos this past couple weeks. Of all the people on here doing firewood I like the knowledge you throw around! Thanks
It would be nice to have people that just want to burn wood like cigarettes! Around here it’s heating fuel.
Yup, it varies from area to area.
Awesome, thank you!
@@InTheWoodyard I’ll be honest you’ve almost got my talked into piles vs stacks.. ALMOST
Have a good day!
My favorite customers are the ones that want pleasure wood . They never complain and are happy to have good wood .
Yup, like people who like beer booze and food!! FUN!
I use the wood I cut on my farm. A lot of the trees are Shage Bark Hickory and there are a lot of dead trees laying on the ground. Retired, I don't have time to cut them all. A friend of mine who lives in town pays $50/Face Cord and the person he buys from cuts a tree, then delivers it. I tried telling Kevin to buy wood through the summer but he has 101 excuses not to, so when he complains about the Wet Wood, I just laugh.
Hey just good ale, "big" wood she won't use since too heavy to put in the stoves ( 2 of them ) for 100% heat. Been ordered to re-split at times ( follow orders ). The romance of ambiance and entertainment comes with the lifestyle. Love your MBA approach to business. Awards coming......😊
Thanks for watching!
Morning Chris questions are the best cause you can salve a lot, ooooo I am back at home now not out of the woods just yet.
Good morning!
Good discussion. Thank you!
Thanks for watching.
Great video. Clear as a glass of water. 👍🏻👍🏻👋
Thanks 👍
Great video Chris. You’ve this video thing down. I can’t imagine spending all that time making videos. GNI
Thanks.
I'm one of those non-typical customers. I buy wood for a grill, so I'm typically looking for species suited to that purpose. Stuff like Ash and soft maple are perfectly acceptable- because they smell good, and have good burning characteristics. Stuff like Locust, Osage, or not-so great smelling woods like cottonwood, Elm, etc are not. The former burn TOO hot- making it hard to regulate temp, and locust, at least doesn't taste very pleasant.
Obviously, the usual BBQ suspects are great.
I'm also perfectly happy with odds, ends, uglies, etc. I prefer small splits, but most guys around me split larger. I have axes, and like splitting wood, so no biggie if it's too big. I'm just glad to get my hands on good grill wood. (those cookies and end cuts split into perfect chunks for my grill, and the gnarly knotty nasties can simply be cut into chunks.)
I can and do cut all kinds of wood my own self- but it's mostly the afore mentioned soft maple, Ash, and sometimes Norway Maple. (hard, but not AS hard as sugar maple. Smells very much like it, though) I can season SOME, but my space is limited. No more green Hickory for me- that takes way too long.
I also prefer to pick up, as I have nowhere for guys to dump it, or space for them to park off the street while we unload. No flaking out here- if I say I'm coming I am. And I call or text when I leave, to make sure they're available.
The pricing scale is quite different here, as I'm out in the sticks- and there's LOTS of trees. All told, I usually buy at least 3 facecords a year. This year it was around 4 1/2. I have 2 guys: the usual guy, who has the VERY dry Beech, sugar maple, red oak, apple, cherry, and Ash and red maple, too; and the mixed oak guy.
Sounds like you know what you like...cool!
Great video as always, your business model proves the smaller the firewood, the more you can charge for it. And service. It’s all about service. Also, a few videos ago you promised us an indoor recess day about sharpening. Your previous sharpening video took me off the path of going to the chainsaw dealer twice a week and paying crazy prices to get my chains sharpened. Now I sharpened my own, and I actually charge other people to sharpen theirs, but it’s time for more information please help. Thanks, Chris.
I will put it on my list of hundreds of other to do suggestions again.
Ohio Wood Burner calls that value added firewood, and says exactly what you did. Find your niche, and give people what they need.
In my opinion, some people are just way too much into other people's business. That said it was interesting to hear your numbers and generous of you to share them.
Thanks for watching!
Goid topic, Chris. I have been delivering half to full cords the last few years, and this year, i want to deliver smaller loads. So we shall see how that goes..
You can do it!
Good morning Chris and woodhounds my people are up and down but regular are like 75% of sales thinking on doing bundles for those smaller or casual ones
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I bet it’s safe to say Chris is a numbers guy 👍
No, I just like to know a ball park figure so I can make educated decisions most of the time. Thanks for watching!
Another informative video.
Glad you think so!
You are awesome.
Thank you
No, just average. But thanks for watching!
I’d be your customer if I lived a little closer, wonderful video content!👍👍🇺🇸
Wow, thanks!
I myself Chris burn 6 to 8 cord a year as I heat my home with it. I also have oil and a pellet stove for backup. My average regular customer would oder in the summer or fall that heated with wood, would also burn between six and eight cod a year that I would deliver to them. I had others that would use it for call it recreational burning and their fireplace for ambience they would burn only maybe one cord a year. My husband and I used to average approximately 250 to 300 cord a year. That was a lot of wood and anybody who says it isn’t it’s crazy. I always said Wood burnt you when you cut it when you split it when you threw it in a pile when you loaded it and delivered it never mind burning it but I loved it I’m old and don’t do that anymore. I cut enough For myself and that is all I do. Next years Firewood is already cut in stacked. I cut a year ahead so it has plenty of time to dry. You have a wonderful day and stay warm and don’t get hurt.
Yup, wood is work!
Hi chris
I have not many customers
Most of my customers here in austria tyrol buy every year 5-10cord firewood(90% softwood length 12" and most 20") to heat your homes with woodstove or woodboiler
I'm a farmer with own forest and make round about 80-100cord .(average price/cord 340usd)
You make a nice job god bless you.
Thanks so much for watching Daniel! Keep cuttin'!
My average is 280 per cord.
120 for a face, $4.50 per 1/2 cuft bundle.
Good times drinking that beer by the fire!
I like it!
Good morning all!
Hello!
Your customers are lucky to have you Chris Sounds like you have created a niche market for your wood. Do you have to deal with many Karens on your deliveries? ?
No, and if I ever did I would fire them... as in not have any wood left or not have a delivery day for weeks/months!
Good morning Chris great video here in canada up north 65 $ or more ( ty Ron
okay
i love the term "wife wood". My jotul burns 18" max but small 16 in splits is much easier for the wife to load. I can relate. I like that you cut 16" wood. many venders around here do 18-20. when i bought wood, i was finding i needed to trim a lot of it up then i figured why not do it yourself in the length and size you need it. Just saw craigslist, facebook and wood in my area, southern maryland outside of DC, is going from 200 to 300 a cord. bout time for me to drop a couple of cherry or poplar. i have a big oak probably at least 48 inches across the stump that needs to be trimmed. having a tree crew to cime and give me an estimate. limbs are dropping out. not going to be cheap but i'll recoup some of the expense by cutting it up into firewood.
Yes, 16" wood is the standard most every where in North America.
I don't want boiler wood customers,but keeping a few around is sure beneficial in keeping the woodyard tidy. They will burn anything cheap, and getting something is better than nothing!
Yup, good point.
I have two different locations, downstate it's sells by the face or bundle, upstate it sells by the cord, but it's slowly changing upstate over to face cord with all the city people moving up.
Very interesting! Thanks for the info!
you are right and why people don't understand supply and demand I will never understand. Just for a note I compared a wheel barrel load of pine compared to a wheel barrel load of oak and the results of burn time was the pine lasted 6 to 7 hours and the oak was 24plus hours. that is why in centra Pa. people do not use pine for a heat source and oak is every where. but I agree pine is fine I use it in the garage all the time.
If you compare it by weight you are probably burning close to the same amount.
Yup, pine is wood and it burns but faster.
Yup and the pile of pine would be 2-3 times as big.
Thanks Chris,thanks for this,i need to keep my notes,and business like this next year but,di ya have me a hint for tomorrow? THANKS bud
Yes you do recording customer information is important.
Agreed I do in my main business cause it repeats every six weeks but I need to keep my quantity and amount alil more next year in wood,I did keep up with what species I took people in case they say bring me the same as last time.lol
Very informative, Chris! You mentioned retirement, and I am a couple of years away from that point myself. Have you done any projections on what additional time you would be able to devote to the firewood business once retired? Are you thinking it would be full-time or less?
Honestly, I go back-and-forth in my head about this. Because I am well aware of the physical work involved which I love. But I also have a saw milling/slab lumber business that I do casually.
Always assessing which one might give me the best return on my time and energy investment....would love to hear your thoughts.
I just se it as fun and some fun money. Being in it to get rich is not for me...too much work time and effort. I will be happy to do as much as I feel like doing...which for some is a lot!
I like clients that are literally burning money 😂
Yup, kinda like drinking beer and booze...just peeing it away.
You get good money for the wood. Makes it worth doing. Your cost of fuel trucking saws splitter. All need maintained and that costs more now days too.
yup
It’s kind of a double edge sword, but I’m close to a lot of people that heat and a lot of high end lake homes that want fireplace wood. Good for sales, but you have to find that compromise for the size not too big for the fireplace people and not too small for the heating people.
Might want to have both kinds.
Good stuff👍🏻👍🏻GNI
Thanks!
I live in SE Ohio, in the Hocking Hills. It is all forest and a vacation, tourist area. You can't give wood away because there is so much of it. The only way to get any money out of wood is to sell bundles to campers. 20 years ago, I was making $1100 a weekend selling to campers. Now there are 12 firewood stands between the main town to the camping areas, so I quit selling that. I have a lot of hickory on my place, so I sell smoker wood now. There are markets, you just have to be willing to adapt. This area is also a poor Appalachian area, so when the tourists aren't here, there is no money. Many, many people cut firewood to survive and the prices are low. You cannot make a living selling firewood at the prices they charge. You have to haul it 45 miles to Columbus. Then you lose so much time in travel and gas.
Yup, fuel costs can kill ya!
Got a new log supplier got 2 loads yesterday all beech straight clean 1500 a load 42 face cords
Awesome!
Morning all
Hello!
Good morning great video
Thanks!
Great analytics. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
NC Annex called yesterday . Vendors in his area are charging 540 for a cord.
Thanks. Sounds like a great market.
Here's a great question. At what point would it be a good idea for someone to look seriously at getting an entry-level firewood processor? I'm looking at one sooner rather than later to save wear and tear on my arms. Or at least a firewood conveyor. Sucks butt trying to heal from a muscle injury in your main wood chucking arm and still get the job done. Looks like Brute Force and Japa are my best bets as the Eastonmade 40C is still too expensive. For the price of the 40C, can get a Brute Force 14-24, a tractor like yours to move logs, a 10k galvanized dump trailer, and a decent used 4x4 truck to pull the trailer.
It all depends on your available money and potential sales growth. Business planing and doing realistic projections are necessary.
@@InTheWoodyard honestly, I'd prefer to do it all by hand. Having more time, like 3-day weekends every week, to be able to do it at a slower pace would take the place of the equipment as far as injury prevention goes. That's my opinion. Is hard trying to get the job done as a weekend firewood warrior.
As long as its quality and correct volume ive never had a complaint. If you tell them its oak it better be oak. If you tell them mixed be specific on percentage of hard and soft wood.
yup.
We are the type who have the fireplace roaring all day and night whenever the weather is cold enough. Yet, I can't find decent wood. It's usually not seasoned or almost rotten. One guy says it was but just split it that day, and it's wet!we like to use the firepit outside in the summer. Any contacts in NE FL??
That is not good! Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately no, I do not know anyone who sells wood there. I would call and ask a lot of suppliers the very pointed questions about the kind of wood and quality you are looking for. Good luck!
most people in my area here in Vermont buy wood for heating,i cut my own
Yup, most of norther Wisconsin Is like that too.
Chris, its about time to run the processor a couple of days. One day of processor equals 3 days of resplits and piling
Enjoy your daily shows
We already have, you will see it soon.
Chris great video average income per / yr is $29,000 Benjamin remember take your expensive OUT per 1/3 of face cord wood 🪵 hound 😮. STAY SAFE out there in the wood 🪵 yards is number #1 remember THINK 🤔 SAFETY and always put SAFETY FIRST over Benjamin 😊, sorry I’m off got to feed my moose herds with over size cabbage 🥬 and cattle corn 🌽 plus check my coyotes (half wolf 🐺) snares. Remember one ☝️ hand ✋ on a bird , is better them 2 hands 🙌 in the bush ! 😊
Thanks for the info.
G’morning Chris. I Havnt changed anything I do when selling. I copycat your system. $150 delivered and chucked. Watch the window !
GoodNightIrene
Keep cuttin'!
Have you ever used “Kool Grip” for lubricating your sharpening stones while sharpening?
Nope. Maybe I need to try it!
very reasonable prices CHRIS
It is the market I am in.
The old 80 - 20 rule!! 20% of your customers provide 80% of your income while 80% produce 20% of your income.
It is also true in volunteer organizations that about 20% of your volunteers do 80% of the work. This is a pretty accurate rule across most areas.
Yup, good old Pareto principle.
Hello from Joe The Grower in NY. I have no life just trying to save my Farmland to hope to raise a family. 53 with help needed here. I split 365 to keep up with Bankruptcy mortgage payments. I eat 4 times a week cause it is all I can afford. I have no vehicles just a Timberwolf T-2 and a saw. Send shoppers this way please. Joe The Grower in Poughqaug NY
Good luck.
Once I had the data you have spent time getting I would be interested in what the average order produced in sales, or how much income can I expect from each delivery/sale. Ray
okay
Good morning Chris!!😀😀
Great explanation of how YOUR business works. You have a great nitch area where you sell.
Like you say over here by me lots of wood less population witch equals lower prices.
Take care my friend!!😀😀💚💚
Logger Al
Yup, thanks Al!
i burn about three cords a year in my 1976 big buck stove,,,,i rotate what i get ,,have about 4 cords in my barn two cords dumped by my barn ..i have 5 ac so i have the land to do this....like you say people in a plat cant buy 2 cords at a time ,,,got the stove going now
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Dude that’s a huge “side” business.. how could it be any bigger? That’s insane numbers.. before you got all the equipment, just had truck trailer saw, how much wood did you sell? Best year or most wood cut and delivered with that bare minimum equipment.
Not really, I buy many truckloads of logs $1400-1600 each every year. Tractor, truck, trailers, splitter, chain saws, tools, fuel, repairs.........
That's anywhere between 70-90k a year before paying for the wood deliveries and other costs?
I buy many loads of logs every year at $1400-1600 every load. Truck, tractor, splitter, trailer, tools, repairs, fuel, help, TAXES......I am not getting rich but I like it ...I like it a lot.
@@InTheWoodyard I was just trying to work out ball park figures. I'm sad I've got an economics degree. You can't be making that much from firewood though once you factor in all the equipment you have. I'm based in the Uk and we are having a nightmare with people stealing equipment. Shame we don't have access to some of the other equipment you guys are allowed
When you receive your money upon delivery from your customers, do you count it out in front of them or do you just put it away and trust they gave you the right amount as they trust you gave them their right amount of wood?
In all the years I was shorted once.
The 7 eleven customer.
Willing to pay for the convenience of a smaller amount of product.
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They could go to the big store, and get junk food ECT at half price. But they choose to pay for the convenience.
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Yes, exactly!
That's why you work money exercise and fun
No, I do both at the same time with firewood.
hi there i work for the IRS we need to talk ., good show john
I am incorporated and have been for 34 years and run all 3 of my businesses through it and have an accountant that makes sure it is done right.
I get people that will buy my $100 - 1/4 cord deliveries, because the $50 - Rick guys won't answer their messages/texts. I could buy split wood and resell and it would make more sense. I bet I could buy FULL cords for $120 around here if I'd go pick them up and haggle the price a little.
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Can you say what your main business is. If not, I understand. Thanks Rich
42 years full time professional photographer.
Morning Chris I'm in a big city. I don't know anyone in my neighborhood who burns firewood just me 😅
For heat or at all???
@@InTheWoodyard I burn in my woodstove for heat, myself and everyone else burn Natural gas pretty cheap in BC Canada 🇨🇦 😎
I’ve got my own woodlot so it’s free😉🤣. Locally it’s about 75-85 per fc
Time is not free and I am sure you paid for the land and taxes, equipment, tools, fuel.......
You missed the wink emoji 🤣
If you have a price change soon you’ll have to make another video!!
I make a video every day so yup, there will be another and then another.........
Makin a livin 👍
Yup....keep pickin'!
Supply and demand. The basis of all economics. Bread and butter (and make or break) to people like you in business or farmers like me. Yet it seems to be a complete mystery to your average person on the (city) street!
Yup, most people have no clue where stuff comes from they are to busy looking at there phones.
do you make more selling firewood or off of TH-cam videos?
Yes.
@@InTheWoodyard yes to which?
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Thanks!!!!
So, your net sales for the year, not including extra fees, is around $80,000. Now, what your costs in all this to bring it down to your profit margin.
No, and first is the gross sales and then net and yes lots and lots of expenses to make the net shrink fast..
@@InTheWoodyard okeydoke, poor wording.
Do you get orders from any sauna people?
no.
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Thanks!!!
Good morning
HELLO!
I just found your first video with the ULTRA. Amazing that this video has already gotten more views, just today, than that one has in 3 years. In that video you mentioned a 2 year plan to use that and get something bigger and better. I'd say that 22MB sure fut the bill. Good night, Irene
Poked.
Thanks!
The IRS likes good records with your book work - they help you avoid paying taxes not evading them. Just keeping track of all your expenses helps the cause by lowering your profits.
Yup, we have been incorporated for 35 years with our business and have an accountant.
Curious what your other business is?
Photography
I have a full time photography studio, 35 years self employed.
Good Morning Woodhounds!!
Hello!
MoOrning
Hello!
Chris I know it's Cash but how do you pay our silent partner Uncle Sam his share ??????
The best way is as little as possible.
That's his accountants problem.
@@BertsCustomCutsamen dude! Amen!
Great comment Bert ❤😊👍😎@@BertsCustomCuts
@@woodstacker5241 NO, but that is.
Chris will you share Uncle Benjamin😊😊😊
Sure, he is out there everywhere, just go do something to bring him home.
@@InTheWoodyard 😁😁😁
How much is that tractor repair gonna cut into these bidenomics??
It was covered in the warranty.
Making money off of other people's recreation/leisure, who'd a figured! ;)
Yup, like movies, sports, boating, travel, restaurants, RV camping, reading, offroading, snowmobiling, hunting, fishing, racing, golfing, etc......
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Thanks!!
Hi Chris, long time viewer here. I think I first clicked on your channel around episode 17. Love the content. So I have a firewood related project that I would like to see if you are interested in. Is there a place better than another to email or DM you? Much appreciation and cheers.
Cool, thanks ....chrisinthewoodyard@gmail.com
Chris u look sumple and i also saw u eat simple food or nothing u have so much power iam 51 after pricing or work i have no energy at all i dont know how u do 2 jobs
See food diet...if I see food I eat it...just keep moving.
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