Ooh, a retro PC build on MVG! A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one 👍 Solid choice on the Voodoo3, can't really go wrong with that card and a Win9x system of that era. For some extra fun in the future, you could swap out that AWE32 with an SB Live or Aureal Vortex 2 for EAX/A3D support!
I was like man I wonder how many people referenced LGR in the comments. Went looking and found the living legend himself LOL! Hope everything is going well for both of you extraordinary gentlemen. Love your content!
Hope yer feeling better LGR. If you've never been, come up north to the M.I.T. Flea Market in Cambridge, MA , every month from April to October on the 3rd Sunday of each month. Always something interesting
The motherboard on the old PC is a Super Socket7. This is collectors item, and ideal for win98 / dos gaming. The max CPU for this board is a K6-3+ 550Mhz. This is a very expensive model but someone can go with a k6-2+ 450mhz and overclock. The performance should be similar to your PIII, the difference is that you can underclock the K6 to play older games. Also the memory is not simm it is SDRAM, the same type as your PIII memory.
yup that was the CPU i rocked with at the time ! K-6 2 @ 450 Mhz with a bit of OC ! the rest of the build was striclty the same as MVG !! Voodoo 3 and AWE 32 :p
JoPe - TuYaTroJoueY that AWE32 Card was just AWE-some! I remember when my friends and me finally got proper sound in our computers around 1996. We compared how midi files would sound and all of them only had the sound blaster 16 cards while I had the awe 32 - simply no comparison! I still remember my gaming rig in 1998: Asus P2B, 32GB memory, PII 350 MHz, diamond fire gl 1000 pro AGP, voodoo 2 -12 mb, 2x hitachi hdd 6 & 8 gb, Panasonic Slot in cd drive 😂🤣. That computer has an afterlife as an office PC till August 2010
One of my favorite DOS games / creation system was ZZT. It's earlier in the '90s than the build, but the community built around creating games with the built in world editor was amazing to me as a kid. museum of zzt has plenty of great stuff, made mostly by a (then) younger audience. Highly nostalgic, and recommend looking into it.
@@cameronross1050 same! and definitely spent a lot of time in the various IRC channels. Oh, and the 24 hours of ZZT contests! I really hope you've run across the Museum of ZZT that Dr. Dos set up, it's a great nostalgia journey.
This is so awesome. I was a teenager during this era and man does this bring back memories. Can't believe it was 20+ years ago. And that music that you used during the teardown of the computer and such takes me back to my rave days. This is one of my favorite videos by far.
I was born in 2005, Which means even my PSP-1005 is slightly older than me. but I am highly interested at such retro PC or consoles, and I own few old game consoles. and, Your videos are really helpful for me to understand How communities worked to bring us homebrew at that time, How they made such great consoles, and some stories about them. Your videos are really educational and fun to watch at the same time. Thank you for making such great videos.
I was born in 2003, and have gathered a bunch of old computers, game consoles, reel to reel recorders, vcrs, cassette recorders, even vintage gramophones. Now that I think about it, I have only been collecting things for three years... I can't believe I managed to find so many cool things!
@@IngwiePhoenix_nb ABIT boards were mostly fine in the 90s. Sometime around the year 2000, the company started getting into financial trouble and their quality began to decline drastically resulting in boards that often didn't work.
ABIT has had a time when they had the best motherboards on the market. Super stable, many BIOS updates, well built, many features for a fair price. Compared with ASUS, which is generally considered a quality brand, they stood out by these terms. I built many machines around 2000 with them. But yeah, management made mistakes and that's when they lost all of this. And brands like Asus and Gigabyte - sorry to say this - can't deliver the same. They still won't.
Wow! The Unreal footage at 3:00 took me back in time! I remember this on my old AMD K6 with a Voodoo card. Feeling super nostalgic now. LOL Thanks for sharing this! You have to add Descent from Interplay to your retro lib if you don’t have it already. They made three of them from 94’ to 99’.
The replaced motherboard looks like a Lucky Star 5MVP3 board. Also a very capable retro board for DOS/Win98. When paired with a K6-3, you can use the setmul utility to change the multiplier and turn off caches to slow down DOS games that run too fast. I'd reconsider parting with it because of that unique quality.
Those super socket 7 boards with AGP are in huge demand due to the ability of k6-3 CPUs to clock down to 386/486 performance levels that is necessary for certain old dos games. If it's a k6-3 and Ali/uli chipset, the board + cpu is easily worth a hundred dollars. Also I am pretty sure it's a P-III 500 MHz. You can try setting the FSB to 100 and see if it boots. I bet it will.
Yep! There never was a 366MHz Pentium III. IIRC, they're multiplier locked, so its probably a 550Mhz chip. (66.6MHz * 5.5 = 366.3MHz, 100MHz * 5.5 = 550MHz)
Me as he removed the K6-2 " oh no, don't do that." Adding the voodoo 3 and that AWE32 to a k6 makes pretty much the ultimate all around retro machine. (philscomputerlab has done a bunch of videos)
There never was 366mhz p3, slowest was the 450mhz model.. you have a 550mhz p3 but fsb is set wrong to 66mhz instead of 100mhz!
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Yea he must have the 550Mhz moddel. The P3 starts at 450 with ha 100Mhz bus so 550Mhz will run at 366Mhz if the bus is incorrectly configured at 66Mhz and that usually happens when the CMOS battery died long ago. Also the Voodoo 3 3000 that he uses is really way to fast for that CPU, even running at 550Mhz its just about enough to start making a difference over Voodoo2 SLI.
That makes sense. I had a P2 400 that ran its life overclocked at 450 its whole life back in the day. Shit I remember paying $900 for that CPU back then.
Perfect timing for some retro PC goodness. A few weeks, I bought an ATI Rage Pro 128 (classic) PCI card, and an Abit Socket 7 motherboard with PCI and ISA slots. I still had two Pentium MMX chips from many years ago which I luckily found again. A 200MMX and 233MMX. I used the 233MMX in the board, but haven't tested the graphics card yet. It was quite hard to find the exact manual for the board to set up the jumpers for the CPU, so I had to set them as close as I could to what a similar rev manual said, then test the CPU core voltage with a multimeter. I also no longer have an AT style PSU to power it, so had to modify an ATX for now, to use just the +5V rail. Hoping to use it to develop some new ISA cards, like an MPU-401 clone. And of course relive some classic DOS games from the 90s, like some of the early CD-ROM titles. I'll never forget seeing the Second Reality demo at a friend's house around 1994. It's still an impressive scene demo.
If you're still looking for a soundcard: While the AWE32 is the obvious choice and fairly easy to get, the Terratec Maestro is pretty much the best oldschool soundcard you can get, because it's SB16-compatible, and the wavetable MIDI is basically a direct clone of the Roland SC1 (!!!). Just like the AWE32, you need to feed it with RAM-though.
@@lyxar777 I got an AWE32 around the summer of 1995, and loved it. ;) I had a Casio CTK-630 then, and a Roland keyboard for a while (E-20?), so had them hooked up to the AWE32 via MIDI cable, and used Cakewalk Pro 4.0 a lot. Hearing the demos on the AWE32 and it's nice reverb and chorus were pretty amazing. Not too many people could afford the MT-32 nor SC-55 style synths at the time. And now most of these older sound cards and synth modules are really expensive again. lol I've actually been working on a Wavetable MIDI synth on FPGA, written in pure Verilog... drive.google.com/open?id=0B1grqFdAErsrM19hZWNlU3hKNEE That was using the SC-55 style sample set taken from AmigaDOOM, so only 8-bit samples at 11 KHz (and 22 KHz in the other folder). I'm hoping to eventually allow it to load in Soundfonts, or even the original SC-55 ROMs. It was quite a revelation to find out that the SC-55 was the basis for tons of other Roland synths that followed it. The JV-80 / JV-1080 all use a very similar sample format. The JV-80 essentially IS an SC-55, but with the expansion port for the SR-JV80 cards. I bought the main board from the Roland D-10 as well, and it's basically an MT-32 with different ROMs (but I think lacking some of the reverb chips?) I really need to get back into that stuff, and start messing with keyboards again. It's been too long.
SC1-style cards were unaffortable to most mortals even back then. That's why the Maestro was such a killer-card back then: You could get SB16 compatibility, and MT32, GS, and full SC1-compatibility at a fraction of the price of a real sound canvas. Back then i thought the card might actually be illegal, and eventually taken off the market. But that never happened, and now in retrospect: Terratec even advertised the Maestro by explicitely saying it has the genuine SC1-sampleset, so i guess they had some deal with Roland. However, i didn't check today's prices when i made that recommendation, so maybe the Maestro is now worth multiple times of what it was sold for back then. I could kick myself for selling mine a decade ago, just because i thought "ISA is obsolete. Better get rid of it, while it's still worth anything." Heck, the thing came in a fullsize metal suitcase, instead of a paper box. I should've kept it just for that reason, if i knew this kind of "collector edition packaging on steroids" would become a lost art in the future. Happy to hear you're working on FPGA SC-implementations, though. I love the promise of FPGAs, and always thought the real "next-gen" type of processor, should be one that combines fixed logic with at-runtime-programmable logic. Instead we got stupid "general purpose GPUs", which are scratching the surface of what runtime-programmable processors could do.
@@lyxar777 Believe me, it pains me to know just how many old ISA cards we basically threw out or sold off cheap years ago. And the many "beige box" PCs that got scrapped. :( I did find there was a certain era of PCs were it started getting a bit samey and tired, but it picked up again in the mid-00s. The 90s were an amazing time for PC tech and graphics cards. I don't think we'll ever see that kind of growth again in such a short space of time, nor the sheer number of manufacturers all competing for the same market. I'll keep an eye out for the Maestro cards, thanks. ;) Just getting a lot harder now to find the rarer retro stuff on eBay UK, so it may be worth me adding some fav searches on eBay US or something. I eventually want to combine the MPU-401 clone with a small FPGA, and make my own ISA sound card. It's possible to do PCI as well with most modern FPGAs, but probably a bit of a nightmare to do the drivers for.
@ElectronAsh: I think what killed the healthy market from the 90's was moore's law. Plain and simple. Let me explain: In the decades up to this point, manufacturers primarily competed in architecture design and features. Of course minituarization was always a factor, but until then the "systems/architecture" and manufacturing logistics were equally important. You can see this by a lot of hardware until the late 90s employing multiple-chip designs, with a wide variety of strategies. This meant as long as your manufacturing process was roughly equal, a newcomer or small fish could break ground, by design-innovation or logistics (price). But then certain companies realized: FK design. We can outrun everyone else, by just investing everything in minituarization, marketing and production-capacity. If that sounds similiar to the vendors around nowadays, that's because they were the ones killing all the others by that strategy, so they're the only one's left now. But one thing a shortsighted market does not account for is, longterm consequences. Et voila: Moore is in his deathbed today, and design is suddenly starting to be hip again - except all the competition is dead, so the paradigm-shift is happening slowly but constantly. This is the price of a burned wasteland: Intel, AMD, NVidia and co. could've switched to 3D floorplans much earlier. They could've started improving efficiency, parallelism, and introducing useful new features much earlier. But with a healthy market gone, they just kept masturbating Moore, and running head-first into the brickwall of plain-old physical limitations to minituarization. That's why progress has slowed down: Only braindead corps with scorched-earth policies survived, and now they take their time to realize, their strategies don't work forever, and now they need to think outside the box. If an environment like this happened back in the 90's, competitors would've invested into alternative approaches years ago.
As someone *born* in '98, this is so cool! It's awesome to see the impressive tech that was available at this time. My jaw dropped a few times at this video, first at the expandable RAM slots on your sound card (wow!) and also at the sheer size of the Pentium 3. Such creativity in an era where hardware was nowhere near standardized. The games of course look great -- technical constraints beget creativity, and as a graphics programmer myself it is inspirational to take a look at what was achievable at this time.
Absolute perfect timing MVG! I just bought a Pentium 4, Geforce4 MX 440 pc for 5$ from some guy’s garage. Budget Builds official had me leaning towards Windows 2000, but you sealed the deal for me with Windows 98 for Dos support. Thanks 🙏🏼
I remember i had this mainboard back in my youth, with severals PII and later on PIII processors, 256 mb ram and nvidia riva tnt 2 with 16 mb vram, hoock'ed with a Voodoo 2 accelerator, and nice soundblaster. It really brings back so many good memories, Lan parties with my neighbours, day's and nights of gaming such as : AOE, StarCraft, Warcraft, NFS se, Quake 1,2,3, Unreal Tournament, Diablo 1 and 2, Toomb Raider, some Duke Nukem series, Carmaggedon and so on.....Damn, i wish i could turn back the time. This video was a real nice flash of the past. Well done m8.
@@Ultranist By the way, who you callin a kid? MVG, Gear Seekers, Tech YES City, Linus, Philscomputerlab are roughly my age. Even Jayztwocents is a Millennial.
Doom, Wolfenstein, Jazz Jackrabbit, Screamer, The Incredible Machine, Lemmings, Pinball Dreams/Fantasies/Illusions and Commander Keen are some of my evergreens.
DUDE! TERMINAL VELOCITY!! man such a heartfelt throwback for me on that one. thief and tomb raider were my first dives into full 3D gaming, but terminal velocity was really the first fully immersive experience into the digital world. absolutely amazing. you could make a whole episode on that game alone and I'll love it. cheers. i love the videos, LOVE. keep making them please. PLEASE.
I love your channel & content, probably my favourite channel tbh but moving into this era of PC gaming & hardware has been a fantastic move & I've really enjoyed it 👍
This video brought me back to my first custom build. And the games looked astounding! Might dig out my old 333mhz PC and show it to my son since he’s been getting into retro gaming himself.
I like how back then everything was moving forward so fast it was all about the next, biggest, best looking games and not having top notch visuals was the death sentence for a game. Now that we have nearly real-life looking visuals, people are either looking back on the old visuals fondly, or entire games are made to look old are huge sellers.
Since everyone was playing counterstrike or unreal tournament / quake those days like maniacs the graphics did not improved that much. I could play those games with my overclocked pentium 1 and a vodoo1 card still. Only when games like UT2k3, Battlefield and, FarCry other new games came out i had to buy a new PC but me and my friends mainly played those multiplayer games.
Perhaps you might want yo hold to that K5 motherboard a processor, since you can build a "Super Socket 7" PC which is more flexible to run DOS and Windows 98 games. Give it a look to SS7 builds. As always, your content is the best.
@@spookdsq me too man! I still have both Delta Force games, Lord of the Realms II, StarCraft and StarCraft Broodwar, Command and Conquer Red Alert. They're boxed up. Now I want to pull them all out and play again lol. You're right. Kids today really missed out!
My kind of stuff ;) I have too many favorite dos games to point out and I've been revisiting them slowly on my channel. Thanks for this! Loved it! Merry Xmas!
Virtua Cop and Midtown Madness bring back so many memories! I used to play those games all the time with my cousins. The simplicity of these old games makes the gameplay so much better than modern games.
Yepp! Since its an ATX mobo, u can swap that old PSU to a new one. U can feel the retro feeling with the old power supply till its blows up(and killing the whole PC)... and those old power supplies lacking the bacis safety features what is standard in the modern ones.
What basic safety features would that be? I was literally recapping an early ATX Delta supply (Enlight’s OEM) an hour ago and it looks plenty safe to me.
@@nickwallette6201 Short Circuit Protection, Over-Current Protection and Over Voltage Protection. These three are the most basic protections even in the most crappy low budget Codegen PSUs, because the ATX regulation.
So I think I remember seeing a Phils computer lab episode about this at one point, And while you may still have a point I should comment that he found that one of the rails on a modern power supply did not deliver consistently the same amount of amperage as a vintage power supply did (I think the 12 V rail?). So even if a modern power supply house the wattage it doesn’t necessarily put the power to the right areas for an old computer. Although this said, i’m not sure how much of a big deal it is.
talos86 Old ATX supplies have OVP and OCP too. In fact, they’re more likely to be effective at clamping a short because they were designed for sane wattages. When you install a modern 1200W PSU into a vintage computer that draws probably less than 100W, a short would just look like a heavily loaded rail, and the PSU would cheerfully weld and melt everything around it until the only thing left is a pile of lava and a black box with a blue LED illuminating the fan as it funnels a stream of ash onto what’s left of your computer desk. :-)
I have an identical PC case that I also use for Windows 98/DOS gaming. Great video once again, I've just started getting into retro PCs this year. One of my favourite games was Deadly Tide. At the time it looked amazing, but now I know it's just a point-and-click shooter over an FMV.
@@Rickenbacker451 fr-096 is actually awesome. However, if you want to appreciate Farbrausch's intros and demos, you should watch these from fr: - fr-041: debris. (one of the best demos ever made, a demo which could be in 100s of MBs only in 177KB!) - fr-08: .the .product (their first major and notable intro, also the first one which proved how much 64KB intros can be awesome) - Farbrausch and Neuro: Masagin (It's a full sized 2D demo) - fr-034: Rove Also there are so many other great intros to watch like: - RGBA and TBC - Elevated (The Best 4KB intro and one of coding masterpieces. Coded by one of visual fx artists behind the critically acclaimed Brave (2012), Iñigo "iq" Quillez.) - Conspiracy - Chaos Theory (An another great 64KB by Hungarian group Conspiracy. Some people actually mistake this demoscene group with the cracking group CPY. They have a unique style, nowhere to be found) - Orb and Andromeda - Stargazer (Old-skool legends of Amiga days, Andromeda, joins forces with stylist peoples at Orb to create a masterpiece. This demo won the PC Demo Competition at an nVidia affiliated demoparty called NVScene in 2008. Still after more than a decade, it's fascinating.) - The Black Lotus - Starstruck (This demo made on the most powerful Amiga made by Commodore {not the PPC Amigas they're shit}. It's a masterpiece regarding it's old platform. This one was the only non-modern-windows demo at the main Demo Competition at Assembly 2005 alongside some of the best demos ever at that party. Where it did end up? 1st place. 10 years after Commodore declared bankruptcy, some Finns won a PC Demo contest with Amiga AGA.) - The Black Lotus - eon (You may be fascinated about how TBL pulled starstruck on an Amiga AGA, the most advanced Amiga GPU. However, thay made this masterpiece on a normal Amiga 500, which you may have saw on MVG channel. It came out this year at 2019. Also have I mentioned TBL coders mostly work on DICE as coders? :))) ) - Hardwired - The Silents and Crionics (The grand dadsy of them all. Coded by two of DICE founding fathers and it's music composed by the legendary Jasper Kyd. This demo came out in 1991. It's intro has references to Stanley Kubrick's '2001: A Space Odyssey'. Also this demo has some great effects that even after nearly 3 decades, make people to say "Wow!". Also, there's a mini real time rendered toiled used by RayTracing. 27 years before nVidia making this technique a well knowned matter, they made it on a simple Amiga 500.) - Andromeda Software Development - Lifeforce (It's not just a demo. It's a cinema. The colors, the narrative, the masterpiece music it has, the constant change in tempo etc. You only need to watch this.) - Razor1911 - We Have Accidentally Borrowed Your Votedisk (This has a funny backstory. The demoscene people has an annually big party where there is a ceremony to celebrate and award the best demos of the year. You may have know Razor for their cracks, especially GTA IV. Razor had a demo called "Insert no coins" released in 2010. Theire demo is nice but not worthy of an award. Guess what? They win the "People's Choice" award by hacking the voting system. This causes drama and Razor release this beautiful intro for apology. This demo did good and nominated in people's choice category for real and without cheating. However, they didn't won :( ) - Razor1911 - The Scene is Dead (After the 'Razor stolen the award!' drama ended, people wanted more from rez, the 'We accidentally...' to release more intros. This is actually a quite nice demo with CRT filter to watch. From a mid-30s guy who turned coder for only a couple of years and still be recognised amateur, this was amazing.) - All of Fairlight & CNCD demos. I don't remember some of their demos' name, but all of them are awesome. - All of Cocoon's demo. - Prismbeings - Absolute Territory (This 4K thing is a masterpiece. So minimalistic. So awesome. You'll understand only by watching it) Although these are only a small portion of great demos. These are only the starters to begin with. Hope you enjoy watching them. Also, watch these demos in real time if you can. TH-cam kills the image sharpness of these demos, even in high qualities.
I have a similar setup (p2 300mhz) but for me the most important part is that the bios configuration allows you to turn off the CPU's L1 cache which slows the computer down enough to play 386 & 286 era games at the proper speed and without the "divide error" that tends to occur when older games running on pentiums.
Carmageddon, XCOM UFO Defense, This Means War! , Rise of the Triad, Hexen, Heretic, Duke Nukem 3d, Xwing, Tie Fighter, Delta Force and far too many others.
I couldn't believe i was heading that too! Plus Power Slave , Terminal Velocity and midtoen madness?! MVG has quite the refined palate. MVG could you maybe do an episode on which dosbox variants are the best for android gaming on say the gpd xd? That would be a watcher for me
my favorite thing with Slot-1 CPUs is how easily they can be swapped for more or less powerful slot-1 cpus. for those more demanding or cpu sensitive games
They couldn't fit L2 cache on CPU core so they have to use a slot adapter. It was a time when frauds happen because many in Asia will buy cheap CPU and just OC them and sell them as expensive ones by overclocking. It was not always stable, and people were pissed. It was good if you know what you are doing, like buying a Celeron 300A and OC it using an adapter to make it running at 450 for real cheap.
uncanny timing - I pulled out my reverse-sleeper retro PC last week to finish building it: dual 1.4ghz Pentium III cpus, 2gb PC133 SDRAM, Quadro FX 4000 graphics card, Aureal Vortex 2 sound card (chose this for SB16 emulation support), USB 2.0 card, SATA card, SATA ssd, 24x DVD-RW IDE drive, floppy drive emulator, USB 3.0 PCI-E card in PCI-E to PCI adapter. This dual boots Windows 98SE for the handful of DOS games I play that don't work right under newer OSes, and Windows 2000 for everything else. USB 3.0 only works under Win2k due to no Win98 driver and is speed limited to the PCI bus so around 1 Gbps theoretical max but still more than 2x the speed of USB 2.0 so the front panel blue ports are still the fast ports. Trickiest part was finding a burly old PSU with enough amps on the +5v and +3.3v rails, and all that remains to finish is recap the PSU then frankenstein its guts into a Corsair HX750 case for looks + custom modular cables.
Yeah most people don't realize but the older power supplies were rated differently. With "certain" older PC's. Most of the newer power supplies won't work properly. You could potentially fry your older hardware.
I remember when I was like 8, and my dad got us Midtown Madness 2, and we setup a lan game between his "fancy" new emachine desktop, and my "older" Aptiva hand-me-down machine, and his desktop just left me behind in the dust. I don't actually know what the specs of either PC were, but there was obviously quite a heavy difference.
Most old games I enjoyed have already been brought to modern systems via GoG and such, but one notable omission is Blade Runner. (Likely complicated by its 16bit installer.) It still stands as one of the best adventure games made. The original Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain can also be a pain to run on modern systems and is also a great and really atmospheric game.
GoG is awesome but they only have a tiny drop in the bucket compared to how many older games they could have on there. It's because they hand picked the games and made sure it would work with their launcher on newer hardware.
Also I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem figuring out how code things to get bladerunner or any other older games working. It has more to do with paying whoever owns the rights to the franchises or names.
This video has inspired me to build my old PC from the late 90s. My most played games were Screamer, Doom, Quake, Half Life, Sega Rally, Falcon 4.0, Magic Carpet 2, Midtown Madness and Age of Empires. Ahhh the memories.
9:58 me and my friend used to play this co op. He was the mouse and I was the keyboard. As it was his PC. It was like back then kids used to play video games and whose house was that he would be player 1.. hehehe
Is it just me who would rather have used the other AMD K6 system? Have for me that it has a broader spectrum for games so you can play games from the 286 era as well. Favorite game must be little big adventure 2 when I found it in a bargain bin at a hardware store? (strange) and dad bought it even though it was a normal day still love that game.
That's what I thought while watching this... why did he go for the Pentium III and the RagePro as opposed to the K6 and the Voodoo? Mistakes were made . Could have used more RAM too. I hope that at least he made the CD-R primary.
@@Carcenomy let's see... a 500 MHz processor with good heatsinks and overclock capability versus a Slot 1 locked 366 MHz Pentium III? Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Slot 1 was a big fat mistake from its inception, especially when it's in a plastic package with crappy cooling capabilities.
@@danielvogel5252 The K6-2 never really overclocked that well and even if it could, its IPC was quite a bit lower - a 500MHz K6-2 benched similar to a Pentium II 300. MVG's machine running at 366 is actually an indicator of a config issue - his FSB is low, it should be running at 550. As for cooling... all the popular coolers for Socket 7 had Slot 1 versions too. I do agree that Slot 1 wasn't ideal, but it wasn't really a mistake, more like a workaround before process improvements allowed cache to go on-die.
She's a beaut! Reminds me of my childhood. I Inherited a similar machine at about 5 years old in '98, I'm pretty certain at some point in life I also had that Dell monitor. Thanks for the Nostalgia
I've never heard of a P3 with 366MHz. Must at least be a 450MHz-Version with wrong FSB/Multi. Only the P2 had an 366MHz-Version. EDIT: At 7:00 you can clearly see it's a 550MHz-Version with 100MHz FSB. So you clearly running it with the wrong FSB (66 instead of 100 MHz)
One Must Fall 2097, Heretic / Hexen / sequels, Unreal Tournament... so many great ones I could list them all day but this comments thread will have them all I am sure. Great video!
Now THIS! This is what I'm talkin' about! I've still got my very first system I ever built, (socket A AMD Athlon Xp 2500+), this has inspired me to resurrect it!! Thank you :)
The real fun starts with building 286/386/486 systems. There was no Plug&Play back then and everything had to be configured with jumpers. No color coding of anything either. I once had to even remove a pin from floppy connector on ISA controller, because I had a newer cable that was designed in a way to be unable to connect in reverse.
The first game in the video being Grand Prix 2 is a move I can only respect -- I love the early PC racing sims and most of the bigger retro channels rarely ever cover them if at all. Good to see it shown here even in passing!
Man....I had a p3 450 @ 558 on an asus p3bf board and a tnt2 ultra video card back in the late 90's. I played the hell out of Unreal and Unreal Tournament on that machine. Great video, awesome walk down memory lane.
Great video.. so much nostalgia man.. I used to have the exact same monitor back in the 90's.. I remember like it was yesterday when I got my Voodoo 3.. The games got running so fast.. My favorite games from the time: Midtown Madness, Test Drive Off Road, Need For Speed 3, Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 (all the command conquer from the time actually), StarCraft, Driver, International Rally Championship, Theme Hospital, Theme park.. I can keep saying games from that time and I'll probably like the most.. Sim City of course.. Not to mention Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Tomb Raider.. man.. I need to get an old PC..
Starsiege, Rocket Jockey, Crusader: No Remorse, X-Wing vs T.I.E. Fighter, The Sims, Day of the Tentacle, Homeworld, Nocturne, Outcast, Star Trek Academy, Grim Fandango...omg so many good games in the 90s!
"Sometimes they'll screw on side and not the other, because you have to take the other side of the case off. Sometimes I'm lazy like that." You and me both, brother. lmao
I want to say as someone who's been building and collecting retro gaming PCs for a while, that's an excellent choice of processor class for this sort of project! The Pentium 2/Pentium 3 era of processors are great for early Win9x and late MSDOS gaming. Though, if you want to reach further back into the 90s, you might need to use a slowdown utility like Moslo to get some of those games running, as these processors are just too fast for some games like e.g. Jazz Jackrabbit.
Thats why i like this channel. EVERY Time i watch it it brings back good memories. Favorite games were. Dos Titus the fox, california games, LHX attack chopper. Mortal combat 1, Decent. Win 95 anno 1602 , starcraft/wc3, heretic 2
My favorite newly-played Windows 98 game is Warcraft II. I never played it as a kid, but am playing it for the first time now. It's so cool! Whenever I get home all I want to do is play it.
Since this is an MVG-built system, No Mistakes Were Made.
@G1zm0 abizmo There are two rules for MVG systems.
1. No mistakes were made.
2. If any mistakes are found to be made, refer to rule 1.
:D lmao
Facts!!
LMAO, I love how this channel is getting its own meme.
@@MarcoGPUtuber 3. 'mistakes' are calculated therefore not deemed a mistake, but an intended feature.
except the FSB :D
Ooh, a retro PC build on MVG! A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one 👍
Solid choice on the Voodoo3, can't really go wrong with that card and a Win9x system of that era. For some extra fun in the future, you could swap out that AWE32 with an SB Live or Aureal Vortex 2 for EAX/A3D support!
LGR!!! Hope you’re feeling better buddy
I was like man I wonder how many people referenced LGR in the comments. Went looking and found the living legend himself LOL! Hope everything is going well for both of you extraordinary gentlemen. Love your content!
Hope yer feeling better LGR. If you've never been, come up north to the M.I.T. Flea Market in Cambridge, MA , every month from April to October on the 3rd Sunday of each month. Always something interesting
Is it bad that I read LGR's comment in LGR's voice?
@@realcomputerdude100 I keep hearing LGR and Duke Nukem harmonizing "Balls Of Steel"
That Energy Star BIOS logo :')
nostalgia!
thanks, I didnt appreciate it enough and rewatched after reading our coment :) 7:38
You can still get that if you disable Mobo Logo on some modern boards btw.
I replaced my gigabyte logo with some self-made Energy Star Dos boot logo : )
Another Legend... ♥️♥️
The motherboard on the old PC is a Super Socket7.
This is collectors item, and ideal for win98 / dos gaming.
The max CPU for this board is a K6-3+ 550Mhz.
This is a very expensive model but someone can go with a k6-2+ 450mhz and overclock.
The performance should be similar to your PIII, the difference is that you can underclock the K6 to play older games.
Also the memory is not simm it is SDRAM, the same type as your PIII memory.
It hurt me a little bit inside how he disregarded that SS7 hardware!
yup that was the CPU i rocked with at the time ! K-6 2 @ 450 Mhz with a bit of OC ! the rest of the build was striclty the same as MVG !! Voodoo 3 and AWE 32 :p
JoPe - TuYaTroJoueY that AWE32 Card was just AWE-some! I remember when my friends and me finally got proper sound in our computers around 1996. We compared how midi files would sound and all of them only had the sound blaster 16 cards while I had the awe 32 - simply no comparison! I still remember my gaming rig in 1998: Asus P2B, 32GB memory, PII 350 MHz, diamond fire gl 1000 pro AGP, voodoo 2 -12 mb, 2x hitachi hdd 6 & 8 gb, Panasonic Slot in cd drive 😂🤣. That computer has an afterlife as an office PC till August 2010
One of my favorite DOS games / creation system was ZZT. It's earlier in the '90s than the build, but the community built around creating games with the built in world editor was amazing to me as a kid. museum of zzt has plenty of great stuff, made mostly by a (then) younger audience. Highly nostalgic, and recommend looking into it.
Spent many a day grabbing games off of Z2.
@@cameronross1050 same! and definitely spent a lot of time in the various IRC channels. Oh, and the 24 hours of ZZT contests! I really hope you've run across the Museum of ZZT that Dr. Dos set up, it's a great nostalgia journey.
This is so awesome. I was a teenager during this era and man does this bring back memories. Can't believe it was 20+ years ago. And that music that you used during the teardown of the computer and such takes me back to my rave days. This is one of my favorite videos by far.
I was born in 2005, Which means even my PSP-1005 is slightly older than me. but I am highly interested at such retro PC or consoles, and I own few old game consoles. and, Your videos are really helpful for me to understand How communities worked to bring us homebrew at that time, How they made such great consoles, and some stories about them. Your videos are really educational and fun to watch at the same time. Thank you for making such great videos.
PSP gang
One of the few smart enough to appreciate the old world. When gaming or life in general, intelligence is the most valuable thing you can aquire.
Didn't PSP come out in 2007?
@@VenomStryker 12/12/2004
I was born in 2003, and have gathered a bunch of old computers, game consoles, reel to reel recorders, vcrs, cassette recorders, even vintage gramophones. Now that I think about it, I have only been collecting things for three years... I can't believe I managed to find so many cool things!
OMG, the Second Reality demo at 9:00 brought back memories!
It's interesting that after all these years, Second Reality is _still_ the go-to demo. That's just how revolutionary it was. 👍😀
fr-08 would like a word with you.
He coulda just built a 486 to run SR 😂
It's the first thing I've started when I've built my Pentium 233 mmx / sound blaster 16 / Tseng Labs ET6000 Retro PC :-)
The ABIT motherboard reminds me of a classic meme: "Make like an ABIT motherboard and stop posting."
Wow, did they fail _that_ often? xD
@@IngwiePhoenix_nb ABIT boards were mostly fine in the 90s. Sometime around the year 2000, the company started getting into financial trouble and their quality began to decline drastically resulting in boards that often didn't work.
@@Longlius ABIT boards were always excellent; sure they got caught by the capacitor plague, but literally everyone did at that time.
WOW thats on old meme, that does take me back haha
ABIT has had a time when they had the best motherboards on the market. Super stable, many BIOS updates, well built, many features for a fair price. Compared with ASUS, which is generally considered a quality brand, they stood out by these terms. I built many machines around 2000 with them.
But yeah, management made mistakes and that's when they lost all of this. And brands like Asus and Gigabyte - sorry to say this - can't deliver the same. They still won't.
Wow! The Unreal footage at 3:00 took me back in time! I remember this on my old AMD K6 with a Voodoo card. Feeling super nostalgic now. LOL Thanks for sharing this!
You have to add Descent from Interplay to your retro lib if you don’t have it already. They made three of them from 94’ to 99’.
The replaced motherboard looks like a Lucky Star 5MVP3 board. Also a very capable retro board for DOS/Win98. When paired with a K6-3, you can use the setmul utility to change the multiplier and turn off caches to slow down DOS games that run too fast. I'd reconsider parting with it because of that unique quality.
Those super socket 7 boards with AGP are in huge demand due to the ability of k6-3 CPUs to clock down to 386/486 performance levels that is necessary for certain old dos games. If it's a k6-3 and Ali/uli chipset, the board + cpu is easily worth a hundred dollars.
Also I am pretty sure it's a P-III 500 MHz. You can try setting the FSB to 100 and see if it boots. I bet it will.
Yep! There never was a 366MHz Pentium III. IIRC, they're multiplier locked, so its probably a 550Mhz chip. (66.6MHz * 5.5 = 366.3MHz, 100MHz * 5.5 = 550MHz)
Me as he removed the K6-2 " oh no, don't do that." Adding the voodoo 3 and that AWE32 to a k6 makes pretty much the ultimate all around retro machine. (philscomputerlab has done a bunch of videos)
th-cam.com/video/BAgQQ55MDEw/w-d-xo.html
Nice to see this kind of content from you, MVG. Makes a change :) looking forward to more
That win98 installer brought back bitter-sweet memories
Absolutely nailed it dude! Great build! Perfect parts!
Damn, i got chills when second reality started playing.
Legendary ❤️
0:32 Midtown madness!! Great to see you also played this awesome game :D
There never was 366mhz p3, slowest was the 450mhz model.. you have a 550mhz p3 but fsb is set wrong to 66mhz instead of 100mhz!
Yea he must have the 550Mhz moddel.
The P3 starts at 450 with ha 100Mhz bus so 550Mhz will run at 366Mhz if the bus is incorrectly configured at 66Mhz and that usually happens when the CMOS battery died long ago.
Also the Voodoo 3 3000 that he uses is really way to fast for that CPU, even running at 550Mhz its just about enough to start making a difference over Voodoo2 SLI.
That makes sense. I had a P2 400 that ran its life overclocked at 450 its whole life back in the day. Shit I remember paying $900 for that CPU back then.
Mad Props on using one of the BEST demos from the Demo Scene!!!
Perfect timing for some retro PC goodness.
A few weeks, I bought an ATI Rage Pro 128 (classic) PCI card, and an Abit Socket 7 motherboard with PCI and ISA slots.
I still had two Pentium MMX chips from many years ago which I luckily found again. A 200MMX and 233MMX.
I used the 233MMX in the board, but haven't tested the graphics card yet.
It was quite hard to find the exact manual for the board to set up the jumpers for the CPU, so I had to set them as close as I could to what a similar rev manual said, then test the CPU core voltage with a multimeter.
I also no longer have an AT style PSU to power it, so had to modify an ATX for now, to use just the +5V rail.
Hoping to use it to develop some new ISA cards, like an MPU-401 clone.
And of course relive some classic DOS games from the 90s, like some of the early CD-ROM titles.
I'll never forget seeing the Second Reality demo at a friend's house around 1994. It's still an impressive scene demo.
If you're still looking for a soundcard: While the AWE32 is the obvious choice and fairly easy to get, the Terratec Maestro is pretty much the best oldschool soundcard you can get, because it's SB16-compatible, and the wavetable MIDI is basically a direct clone of the Roland SC1 (!!!). Just like the AWE32, you need to feed it with RAM-though.
@@lyxar777
I got an AWE32 around the summer of 1995, and loved it. ;)
I had a Casio CTK-630 then, and a Roland keyboard for a while (E-20?), so had them hooked up to the AWE32 via MIDI cable, and used Cakewalk Pro 4.0 a lot.
Hearing the demos on the AWE32 and it's nice reverb and chorus were pretty amazing.
Not too many people could afford the MT-32 nor SC-55 style synths at the time. And now most of these older sound cards and synth modules are really expensive again. lol
I've actually been working on a Wavetable MIDI synth on FPGA, written in pure Verilog...
drive.google.com/open?id=0B1grqFdAErsrM19hZWNlU3hKNEE
That was using the SC-55 style sample set taken from AmigaDOOM, so only 8-bit samples at 11 KHz (and 22 KHz in the other folder).
I'm hoping to eventually allow it to load in Soundfonts, or even the original SC-55 ROMs.
It was quite a revelation to find out that the SC-55 was the basis for tons of other Roland synths that followed it. The JV-80 / JV-1080 all use a very similar sample format.
The JV-80 essentially IS an SC-55, but with the expansion port for the SR-JV80 cards.
I bought the main board from the Roland D-10 as well, and it's basically an MT-32 with different ROMs (but I think lacking some of the reverb chips?)
I really need to get back into that stuff, and start messing with keyboards again. It's been too long.
SC1-style cards were unaffortable to most mortals even back then. That's why the Maestro was such a killer-card back then: You could get SB16 compatibility, and MT32, GS, and full SC1-compatibility at a fraction of the price of a real sound canvas. Back then i thought the card might actually be illegal, and eventually taken off the market. But that never happened, and now in retrospect: Terratec even advertised the Maestro by explicitely saying it has the genuine SC1-sampleset, so i guess they had some deal with Roland.
However, i didn't check today's prices when i made that recommendation, so maybe the Maestro is now worth multiple times of what it was sold for back then. I could kick myself for selling mine a decade ago, just because i thought "ISA is obsolete. Better get rid of it, while it's still worth anything." Heck, the thing came in a fullsize metal suitcase, instead of a paper box. I should've kept it just for that reason, if i knew this kind of "collector edition packaging on steroids" would become a lost art in the future.
Happy to hear you're working on FPGA SC-implementations, though. I love the promise of FPGAs, and always thought the real "next-gen" type of processor, should be one that combines fixed logic with at-runtime-programmable logic. Instead we got stupid "general purpose GPUs", which are scratching the surface of what runtime-programmable processors could do.
@@lyxar777
Believe me, it pains me to know just how many old ISA cards we basically threw out or sold off cheap years ago.
And the many "beige box" PCs that got scrapped. :(
I did find there was a certain era of PCs were it started getting a bit samey and tired, but it picked up again in the mid-00s.
The 90s were an amazing time for PC tech and graphics cards. I don't think we'll ever see that kind of growth again in such a short space of time, nor the sheer number of manufacturers all competing for the same market.
I'll keep an eye out for the Maestro cards, thanks. ;)
Just getting a lot harder now to find the rarer retro stuff on eBay UK, so it may be worth me adding some fav searches on eBay US or something.
I eventually want to combine the MPU-401 clone with a small FPGA, and make my own ISA sound card. It's possible to do PCI as well with most modern FPGAs, but probably a bit of a nightmare to do the drivers for.
@ElectronAsh:
I think what killed the healthy market from the 90's was moore's law. Plain and simple. Let me explain: In the decades up to this point, manufacturers primarily competed in architecture design and features. Of course minituarization was always a factor, but until then the "systems/architecture" and manufacturing logistics were equally important. You can see this by a lot of hardware until the late 90s employing multiple-chip designs, with a wide variety of strategies. This meant as long as your manufacturing process was roughly equal, a newcomer or small fish could break ground, by design-innovation or logistics (price).
But then certain companies realized: FK design. We can outrun everyone else, by just investing everything in minituarization, marketing and production-capacity. If that sounds similiar to the vendors around nowadays, that's because they were the ones killing all the others by that strategy, so they're the only one's left now.
But one thing a shortsighted market does not account for is, longterm consequences. Et voila: Moore is in his deathbed today, and design is suddenly starting to be hip again - except all the competition is dead, so the paradigm-shift is happening slowly but constantly. This is the price of a burned wasteland: Intel, AMD, NVidia and co. could've switched to 3D floorplans much earlier. They could've started improving efficiency, parallelism, and introducing useful new features much earlier. But with a healthy market gone, they just kept masturbating Moore, and running head-first into the brickwall of plain-old physical limitations to minituarization.
That's why progress has slowed down: Only braindead corps with scorched-earth policies survived, and now they take their time to realize, their strategies don't work forever, and now they need to think outside the box. If an environment like this happened back in the 90's, competitors would've invested into alternative approaches years ago.
As someone *born* in '98, this is so cool! It's awesome to see the impressive tech that was available at this time. My jaw dropped a few times at this video, first at the expandable RAM slots on your sound card (wow!) and also at the sheer size of the Pentium 3. Such creativity in an era where hardware was nowhere near standardized. The games of course look great -- technical constraints beget creativity, and as a graphics programmer myself it is inspirational to take a look at what was achievable at this time.
10/10 my kinda video
would watch again
Thanks Bill
@@ModernVintageGamer He is proud of you for using Dos
so much nostalgia here, the 2nd Reality demo was a nice touch
@@ModernVintageGamer Hey MVG, that beat is banging! Please release it on BandCamp.
Absolute perfect timing MVG! I just bought a Pentium 4, Geforce4 MX 440 pc for 5$ from some guy’s garage. Budget Builds official had me leaning towards Windows 2000, but you sealed the deal for me with Windows 98 for Dos support. Thanks 🙏🏼
Last time I was this early, Modern Vintage Gamer hadn't changed his logo yet.
I remember i had this mainboard back in my youth, with severals PII and later on PIII processors, 256 mb ram and nvidia riva tnt 2 with 16 mb vram, hoock'ed with a Voodoo 2 accelerator, and nice soundblaster. It really brings back so many good memories, Lan parties with my neighbours, day's and nights of gaming such as : AOE, StarCraft, Warcraft, NFS se, Quake 1,2,3, Unreal Tournament, Diablo 1 and 2, Toomb Raider, some Duke Nukem series, Carmaggedon and so on.....Damn, i wish i could turn back the time. This video was a real nice flash of the past. Well done m8.
Last time I was this early, DOOM was still a new game.
yeah, DOOM 2016 kid
@@Ultranist
DOOM '93 man....
Well.... I was like 14 in 1990. I clearly remember when Civilization (the first ever made) was a new game.
@@Ultranist By the way, who you callin a kid? MVG, Gear Seekers, Tech YES City, Linus, Philscomputerlab are roughly my age. Even Jayztwocents is a Millennial.
Doom, Wolfenstein, Jazz Jackrabbit, Screamer, The Incredible Machine, Lemmings, Pinball Dreams/Fantasies/Illusions and Commander Keen are some of my evergreens.
Myst was one of my favorite games of the 90's. The 11th Hour was a good one. Phantasmagoria, 7th Guest, and of course Alone in the Dark.
DUDE! TERMINAL VELOCITY!! man such a heartfelt throwback for me on that one.
thief and tomb raider were my first dives into full 3D gaming, but terminal velocity was really the first fully immersive experience into the digital world. absolutely amazing. you could make a whole episode on that game alone and I'll love it.
cheers. i love the videos, LOVE. keep making them please. PLEASE.
Stunts, Wing Commander, Myst, Command and Conquer!
Stunts. YES!
I love your channel & content, probably my favourite channel tbh but moving into this era of PC gaming & hardware has been a fantastic move & I've really enjoyed it 👍
This video brought me back to my first custom build. And the games looked astounding! Might dig out my old 333mhz PC and show it to my son since he’s been getting into retro gaming himself.
I like how back then everything was moving forward so fast it was all about the next, biggest, best looking games and not having top notch visuals was the death sentence for a game. Now that we have nearly real-life looking visuals, people are either looking back on the old visuals fondly, or entire games are made to look old are huge sellers.
Since everyone was playing counterstrike or unreal tournament / quake those days like maniacs the graphics did not improved that much. I could play those games with my overclocked pentium 1 and a vodoo1 card still. Only when games like UT2k3, Battlefield and, FarCry other new games came out i had to buy a new PC but me and my friends mainly played those multiplayer games.
Love the Epic Pinball music in background!! Excellent work!
Perhaps you might want yo hold to that K5 motherboard a processor, since you can build a "Super Socket 7" PC which is more flexible to run DOS and Windows 98 games. Give it a look to SS7 builds. As always, your content is the best.
Delta Force was my go to game of the late 90's.
Delta Force.... man hearing that game again brings back memories
@@DWOMT I still have all the games. from land warrior to Xtreme. the old times were a blast! kids today would never know what real fun was in a game!
@@spookdsq me too man! I still have both Delta Force games, Lord of the Realms II, StarCraft and StarCraft Broodwar, Command and Conquer Red Alert. They're boxed up. Now I want to pull them all out and play again lol. You're right. Kids today really missed out!
Quick comment, sorry MVG. 1:47, those are still DIMMs. They're just not DDR DIMMs.
SIMMs are much smaller. The sound card found has SIMMs.
Yep its sdram, simms is from 486 and P1 era.
Mistakes were made
@@KevKlopper No mistakes were made*
Yup, agreed I mean the clue is in the acronyms to be fair.
looks single sided to me
My kind of stuff ;) I have too many favorite dos games to point out and I've been revisiting them slowly on my channel.
Thanks for this! Loved it! Merry Xmas!
One favorite game is still Command & Conquer series
Virtua Cop and Midtown Madness bring back so many memories! I used to play those games all the time with my cousins. The simplicity of these old games makes the gameplay so much better than modern games.
Agree on using an old case for looks, but that PSU just gives me the fear.
Yepp! Since its an ATX mobo, u can swap that old PSU to a new one. U can feel the retro feeling with the old power supply till its blows up(and killing the whole PC)... and those old power supplies lacking the bacis safety features what is standard in the modern ones.
What basic safety features would that be? I was literally recapping an early ATX Delta supply (Enlight’s OEM) an hour ago and it looks plenty safe to me.
@@nickwallette6201 Short Circuit Protection, Over-Current Protection and Over Voltage Protection. These three are the most basic protections even in the most crappy low budget Codegen PSUs, because the ATX regulation.
So I think I remember seeing a Phils computer lab episode about this at one point, And while you may still have a point I should comment that he found that one of the rails on a modern power supply did not deliver consistently the same amount of amperage as a vintage power supply did (I think the 12 V rail?). So even if a modern power supply house the wattage it doesn’t necessarily put the power to the right areas for an old computer. Although this said, i’m not sure how much of a big deal it is.
talos86 Old ATX supplies have OVP and OCP too. In fact, they’re more likely to be effective at clamping a short because they were designed for sane wattages. When you install a modern 1200W PSU into a vintage computer that draws probably less than 100W, a short would just look like a heavily loaded rail, and the PSU would cheerfully weld and melt everything around it until the only thing left is a pile of lava and a black box with a blue LED illuminating the fan as it funnels a stream of ash onto what’s left of your computer desk. :-)
I have an identical PC case that I also use for Windows 98/DOS gaming.
Great video once again, I've just started getting into retro PCs this year.
One of my favourite games was Deadly Tide. At the time it looked amazing, but now I know it's just a point-and-click shooter over an FMV.
8:53 All Hail The King of Them All! Second Reality is still the BEST. DEMO. EVER.
Have seen this for the first time, looks impressive for 1993.
@@Rickenbacker451 You're still too far from discovering the whole demoscene. Especially the size-coded things in 64KB and 4KB.
@@sepehrasadi5997 I have actually played that .kkrieger demo whit its 96KB size.
@@Rickenbacker451 fr-096 is actually awesome. However, if you want to appreciate Farbrausch's intros and demos, you should watch these from fr:
- fr-041: debris. (one of the best demos ever made, a demo which could be in 100s of MBs only in 177KB!)
- fr-08: .the .product (their first major and notable intro, also the first one which proved how much 64KB intros can be awesome)
- Farbrausch and Neuro: Masagin (It's a full sized 2D demo)
- fr-034: Rove
Also there are so many other great intros to watch like:
- RGBA and TBC - Elevated (The Best 4KB intro and one of coding masterpieces. Coded by one of visual fx artists behind the critically acclaimed Brave (2012), Iñigo "iq" Quillez.)
- Conspiracy - Chaos Theory (An another great 64KB by Hungarian group Conspiracy. Some people actually mistake this demoscene group with the cracking group CPY. They have a unique style, nowhere to be found)
- Orb and Andromeda - Stargazer (Old-skool legends of Amiga days, Andromeda, joins forces with stylist peoples at Orb to create a masterpiece. This demo won the PC Demo Competition at an nVidia affiliated demoparty called NVScene in 2008. Still after more than a decade, it's fascinating.)
- The Black Lotus - Starstruck (This demo made on the most powerful Amiga made by Commodore {not the PPC Amigas they're shit}. It's a masterpiece regarding it's old platform. This one was the only non-modern-windows demo at the main Demo Competition at Assembly 2005 alongside some of the best demos ever at that party. Where it did end up? 1st place. 10 years after Commodore declared bankruptcy, some Finns won a PC Demo contest with Amiga AGA.)
- The Black Lotus - eon (You may be fascinated about how TBL pulled starstruck on an Amiga AGA, the most advanced Amiga GPU. However, thay made this masterpiece on a normal Amiga 500, which you may have saw on MVG channel. It came out this year at 2019. Also have I mentioned TBL coders mostly work on DICE as coders? :))) )
- Hardwired - The Silents and Crionics (The grand dadsy of them all. Coded by two of DICE founding fathers and it's music composed by the legendary Jasper Kyd. This demo came out in 1991. It's intro has references to Stanley Kubrick's '2001: A Space Odyssey'. Also this demo has some great effects that even after nearly 3 decades, make people to say "Wow!". Also, there's a mini real time rendered toiled used by RayTracing. 27 years before nVidia making this technique a well knowned matter, they made it on a simple Amiga 500.)
- Andromeda Software Development - Lifeforce (It's not just a demo. It's a cinema. The colors, the narrative, the masterpiece music it has, the constant change in tempo etc. You only need to watch this.)
- Razor1911 - We Have Accidentally Borrowed Your Votedisk (This has a funny backstory. The demoscene people has an annually big party where there is a ceremony to celebrate and award the best demos of the year. You may have know Razor for their cracks, especially GTA IV. Razor had a demo called "Insert no coins" released in 2010. Theire demo is nice but not worthy of an award. Guess what? They win the "People's Choice" award by hacking the voting system. This causes drama and Razor release this beautiful intro for apology. This demo did good and nominated in people's choice category for real and without cheating. However, they didn't won :( )
- Razor1911 - The Scene is Dead (After the 'Razor stolen the award!' drama ended, people wanted more from rez, the 'We accidentally...' to release more intros. This is actually a quite nice demo with CRT filter to watch. From a mid-30s guy who turned coder for only a couple of years and still be recognised amateur, this was amazing.)
- All of Fairlight & CNCD demos. I don't remember some of their demos' name, but all of them are awesome.
- All of Cocoon's demo.
- Prismbeings - Absolute Territory (This 4K thing is a masterpiece. So minimalistic. So awesome. You'll understand only by watching it)
Although these are only a small portion of great demos. These are only the starters to begin with. Hope you enjoy watching them. Also, watch these demos in real time if you can. TH-cam kills the image sharpness of these demos, even in high qualities.
@@Rickenbacker451 its quite new though. there are many classicts by farbrausch though
What a time... Assembled my first PC sometime around 1998 and I remember when they looked like that. As always, great vid MVG
"I bought an old vintage PC off ebay for $100".. Mistakes were made.
Indeed xD
it's too mutch for an old pc, but since the amd mobo and cpu inside of it is are look after parts, i can understand the pricing
@@piecaruso97 Sure, but it's silly when you only need the case.
Thorham yes, I can find old cases in the dumpster here and with some hammering and painting the come back to new all for a very low price
Lol I still have my 1998 computer. Will sell it for 100 any day.
I have a similar setup (p2 300mhz) but for me the most important part is that the bios configuration allows you to turn off the CPU's L1 cache which slows the computer down enough to play 386 & 286 era games at the proper speed and without the "divide error" that tends to occur when older games running on pentiums.
Carmageddon, XCOM UFO Defense, This Means War! , Rise of the Triad, Hexen, Heretic, Duke Nukem 3d, Xwing, Tie Fighter, Delta Force and far too many others.
7:43 just like the tap on the old TV case even further back in the day, made the screen brighter.
8:02 EPIC PINBALL MUSIC!, I Love that game!
Jazz JackRabbit
Descent
All this games comes in the Acer Aspire computer in 90's
I couldn't believe i was heading that too! Plus Power Slave , Terminal Velocity and midtoen madness?! MVG has quite the refined palate.
MVG could you maybe do an episode on which dosbox variants are the best for android gaming on say the gpd xd? That would be a watcher for me
Love it man & would love more stuff like this. Retro restorations make me feel all fuzzy.
1:35 I like how the processor looks more like a modern GPU than the GPU installed.
looks more like cheap gaming ram
my favorite thing with Slot-1 CPUs is how easily they can be swapped for more or less powerful slot-1 cpus. for those more demanding or cpu sensitive games
They couldn't fit L2 cache on CPU core so they have to use a slot adapter. It was a time when frauds happen because many in Asia will buy cheap CPU and just OC them and sell them as expensive ones by overclocking. It was not always stable, and people were pissed. It was good if you know what you are doing, like buying a Celeron 300A and OC it using an adapter to make it running at 450 for real cheap.
Holy crap! That was pretty much my first build in the late '90s. I probably still have the parts boxed up somewhere. Was a great system for the time.
Carmageddon, one of my all time favourites!
No mistakes were made
Man! I had a 266MHz P2 slot1 CPU in the late 90s. Memories! Loved the video!
uncanny timing - I pulled out my reverse-sleeper retro PC last week to finish building it: dual 1.4ghz Pentium III cpus, 2gb PC133 SDRAM, Quadro FX 4000 graphics card, Aureal Vortex 2 sound card (chose this for SB16 emulation support), USB 2.0 card, SATA card, SATA ssd, 24x DVD-RW IDE drive, floppy drive emulator, USB 3.0 PCI-E card in PCI-E to PCI adapter. This dual boots Windows 98SE for the handful of DOS games I play that don't work right under newer OSes, and Windows 2000 for everything else. USB 3.0 only works under Win2k due to no Win98 driver and is speed limited to the PCI bus so around 1 Gbps theoretical max but still more than 2x the speed of USB 2.0 so the front panel blue ports are still the fast ports. Trickiest part was finding a burly old PSU with enough amps on the +5v and +3.3v rails, and all that remains to finish is recap the PSU then frankenstein its guts into a Corsair HX750 case for looks + custom modular cables.
kalmtraveler there, that’s a retro rig a 366mhz p3 is laughable
Cool build. Nice tricks.
Yeah most people don't realize but the older power supplies were rated differently. With "certain" older PC's. Most of the newer power supplies won't work properly. You could potentially fry your older hardware.
Inspiring stuff. I've got a 2002 XP PC that I have been thinking about setting up as a gaming PC of that era.
I remember when I was like 8, and my dad got us Midtown Madness 2, and we setup a lan game between his "fancy" new emachine desktop, and my "older" Aptiva hand-me-down machine, and his desktop just left me behind in the dust. I don't actually know what the specs of either PC were, but there was obviously quite a heavy difference.
Mm2 was my fav, but I played it with lowest graphics and sound options, an aptiva too. Now I try to build a gamer retro pc and it bored me haha
ibm aptiva, could have been a pentium 2 166mhz or 233mhz. mine was 233mhz. 8 mb of ram ati rage 2 graphics.
just wanna let you know MVG, some of your videos gives me a huge nostalgia trip from the days when i watched Screen Savers on TechTV
I thought I was watching LGR
You were watching a MVG..... thing.
Let's go Thrifting! *puts on Spy Groove*
I was thinking metal jesus
I thought this was the 8 bit guy
neah no wood grain
8:52 Just hearing few seconds of the beginning of that demo bring me back to the best time of my computer hobby :-D
Most old games I enjoyed have already been brought to modern systems via GoG and such, but one notable omission is Blade Runner. (Likely complicated by its 16bit installer.) It still stands as one of the best adventure games made.
The original Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain can also be a pain to run on modern systems and is also a great and really atmospheric game.
No. It's because of rights.
GoG is awesome but they only have a tiny drop in the bucket compared to how many older games they could have on there. It's because they hand picked the games and made sure it would work with their launcher on newer hardware.
Also I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem figuring out how code things to get bladerunner or any other older games working. It has more to do with paying whoever owns the rights to the franchises or names.
www.gog.com/game/blade_runner Well, well, would you look a that. Just came up today.
I'm amused by the fact that GOG just released Bladerunner. :)
I am glad having being part to this golden age of computers !
A lot of memories :)
Starsiege: TRIBES!
I liked how MVG did something different here. Not a review, but something more like LGR and 8-Bit Guy typically do in their videos. Awesome Jon!
3:40 I had like 4 of those cases in my basement at one point.
This video has inspired me to build my old PC from the late 90s. My most played games were Screamer, Doom, Quake, Half Life, Sega Rally, Falcon 4.0, Magic Carpet 2, Midtown Madness and Age of Empires. Ahhh the memories.
9:58 me and my friend used to play this co op. He was the mouse and I was the keyboard. As it was his PC. It was like back then kids used to play video games and whose house was that he would be player 1.. hehehe
Love the old sauce cables everywhere with a dash of ribbon cables making a wall around blocking any of the creeping air from reaching the components
Is it just me who would rather have used the other AMD K6 system?
Have for me that it has a broader spectrum for games so you can play games from the 286 era as well.
Favorite game must be little big adventure 2 when I found it in a bargain bin at a hardware store? (strange) and dad bought it even though it was a normal day still love that game.
The K6-2 is a BabyAT board... might as well find a nifty ye olde little tower for that instead :)
That's what I thought while watching this... why did he go for the Pentium III and the RagePro as opposed to the K6 and the Voodoo? Mistakes were made . Could have used more RAM too. I hope that at least he made the CD-R primary.
@@danielvogel5252 the K6 is lots of things, better for late 90s gaming than a Pentium III is not one of them.
@@Carcenomy let's see... a 500 MHz processor with good heatsinks and overclock capability versus a Slot 1 locked 366 MHz Pentium III? Sorry but I have to disagree with you. Slot 1 was a big fat mistake from its inception, especially when it's in a plastic package with crappy cooling capabilities.
@@danielvogel5252 The K6-2 never really overclocked that well and even if it could, its IPC was quite a bit lower - a 500MHz K6-2 benched similar to a Pentium II 300. MVG's machine running at 366 is actually an indicator of a config issue - his FSB is low, it should be running at 550. As for cooling... all the popular coolers for Socket 7 had Slot 1 versions too. I do agree that Slot 1 wasn't ideal, but it wasn't really a mistake, more like a workaround before process improvements allowed cache to go on-die.
Warmed my heart to see Terminal Velocity. So many school day afternoons spent playing that one.
the pentium 3 fsb is 66mhz insted 100mhz!
She's a beaut!
Reminds me of my childhood. I Inherited a similar machine at about 5 years old in '98, I'm pretty certain at some point in life I also had that Dell monitor.
Thanks for the Nostalgia
Now those are graphics "card's".
Now we have graphics "brick's".
ohhhh my childhood, crazy how far we've come
I've never heard of a P3 with 366MHz. Must at least be a 450MHz-Version with wrong FSB/Multi.
Only the P2 had an 366MHz-Version.
EDIT: At 7:00 you can clearly see it's a 550MHz-Version with 100MHz FSB. So you clearly running it with the wrong FSB (66 instead of 100 MHz)
Correct, i think that PIII series had started from 450Mhz. And there was certainly no PIII with 66Mhz FSB.
One Must Fall 2097, Heretic / Hexen / sequels, Unreal Tournament... so many great ones I could list them all day but this comments thread will have them all I am sure. Great video!
Well there goes the price on old computer parts again. Lol
Now THIS! This is what I'm talkin' about! I've still got my very first system I ever built, (socket A AMD Athlon Xp 2500+), this has inspired me to resurrect it!! Thank you :)
This brings back so many memories! Thank you for this video!!!
Heck yeah, the golden time for building a PC!
I use to have a computer with that case. The minute I saw it, I started to remember stuff I haven't thought about in 15 years. Loved the video man.
The real fun starts with building 286/386/486 systems. There was no Plug&Play back then and everything had to be configured with jumpers. No color coding of anything either.
I once had to even remove a pin from floppy connector on ISA controller, because I had a newer cable that was designed in a way to be unable to connect in reverse.
The first game in the video being Grand Prix 2 is a move I can only respect -- I love the early PC racing sims and most of the bigger retro channels rarely ever cover them if at all. Good to see it shown here even in passing!
Man....I had a p3 450 @ 558 on an asus p3bf board and a tnt2 ultra video card back in the late 90's. I played the hell out of Unreal and Unreal Tournament on that machine. Great video, awesome walk down memory lane.
Great video.. so much nostalgia man.. I used to have the exact same monitor back in the 90's.. I remember like it was yesterday when I got my Voodoo 3.. The games got running so fast.. My favorite games from the time: Midtown Madness, Test Drive Off Road, Need For Speed 3, Command & Conquer Red Alert 2 (all the command conquer from the time actually), StarCraft, Driver, International Rally Championship, Theme Hospital, Theme park.. I can keep saying games from that time and I'll probably like the most.. Sim City of course.. Not to mention Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Tomb Raider.. man.. I need to get an old PC..
Starsiege, Rocket Jockey, Crusader: No Remorse, X-Wing vs T.I.E. Fighter, The Sims, Day of the Tentacle, Homeworld, Nocturne, Outcast, Star Trek Academy, Grim Fandango...omg so many good games in the 90s!
Awesome build.
And... Second Reality. Still the best DOS PC demo ever made.
"Sometimes they'll screw on side and not the other, because you have to take the other side of the case off. Sometimes I'm lazy like that."
You and me both, brother. lmao
I want to say as someone who's been building and collecting retro gaming PCs for a while, that's an excellent choice of processor class for this sort of project! The Pentium 2/Pentium 3 era of processors are great for early Win9x and late MSDOS gaming. Though, if you want to reach further back into the 90s, you might need to use a slowdown utility like Moslo to get some of those games running, as these processors are just too fast for some games like e.g. Jazz Jackrabbit.
Astonished how awesome this video is immediately!
Midtown Madness!! Oh that brings memories
Thats why i like this channel. EVERY Time i watch it it brings back good memories. Favorite games were. Dos Titus the fox, california games, LHX attack chopper. Mortal combat 1, Decent. Win 95 anno 1602 , starcraft/wc3, heretic 2
I remember testing descent on a dual pentium 90 when i used to work at a computer shop. I loved this era of pc gaming.
My favorite newly-played Windows 98 game is Warcraft II. I never played it as a kid, but am playing it for the first time now. It's so cool! Whenever I get home all I want to do is play it.
That brought me back, I have a retro PC build that I've been neglecting lately.
UFO Enemy Unknown, Syndicate, Command & Conquer, Dune 2 and Sim City 2000!
Damn! Purple Motion. Used to hear that on repeat on my AWE32. Thanks for reminding me of this.
The 7th Guest was the first PC game I ever played and I have been in love with PC games ever since