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@@VibeWithTrevor It takes work, being true to oneself. AA is what helped me get sober. I found it limited my healing and growth. There are so many paths.
Some people go to AA for years and don't ever work the steps They just go for the fellowship I used to judge them for that but I don't anymore because if having fellowship keeps them happy and keeps them sober then it is all good
Thank you Trevor, I really needed to hear this video. I’ve been feeling guilty for stopping AA but I feel it was only hindering my life, more of a social club, meditation is what really helps!
Sadly, at 2:04 your credibility took a severe hit. "All these oldtimers were telling me I was a piece of shit". I got sober around a bunch of "cranky" auto workers in Lansing, Michigan, and not a one of them ever said anything like that to me, or anyone else. So, your first story doesn't even fly. But, for the sake of discussion let's say you DID hear that in a meeting. How many times did you say something you wish you hadn't? Or screwed somebody over for drugs, or cheated on your girlfriend, or lied to your parents, coaches, employers, friends, etc? I'm guessing you didn't get to AA on a high note or because you were bored. Not everyone in AA is healthy, which is no different than government, education, healthcare, military, business, religion, law enforcement, financial institutions, sports, etc, etc. How small do you have to be to actually post a video, highlighting a big fat resentment?
@lucywade6921 I wish you a happy future but in my experience and I have a lot with AA and went to at least 1000 meetings, once I did 120 meetings in 90 days, my record was 6 in one day in 3 states but a couple of years into sobriety I realized I don't fear alcohol or living a sober life and didn't want to talk about my drinking at every meeting, I wanted to move on with my life and not be defined by what I was, I'm still a recovering alcoholic and always will be but I don't define myself by it, lose the fear and lose the urge and it's not needed. I get that it's a great community and we make great friends so I don't criticize people who do it but I just feel that if that if it's still needed after long time sobriety the fear is still there.
I’m happy you find a way to stay sober but I’ve been sober since 7/16/15 and the thing that I’ve learned is that No human power is going to relieve me from my alcoholism. I learned to rely on God and still go to meetings to help people that are hopeless and help them to find a way using the big book the way is outlined in the first 164 pages. Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s an individual journey and I’m glad you find yours as well as I did. Good luck sincerely Antonio from Bk
Thank you for your honesty ! I just left AA after 2 1/2 years , I agree with you 100% , a meeting about 3 weeks ago , I suddenly woke up and thought “what the f**k am I doing here “, biggest awakening I’ve had , many of the rooms are full of narcissistic sociopaths 😮😢 I was so fearful of leaving , mainly because I was being told nothing else works except AA, what happened was , I become self aware and aware of others around me , including the harm AA was causing me. I will say I have met some truly kind , and caring people in AA, its not all bad or all good 😌
Thank you for this. Three years in and out of the rooms and I finally snapped when my latest sponsor spent 45 minutes twice in one week to tell me how I'm the only problem and I haven't changed at all
Thanks for this! I feel sooo much of what you said. It’s really a relief to know people out there have had the same experience and are still sober on the other side. I’ve been toying with the idea of leaving the program from several months, going back and forth. When I step into my power I really feel like I may be better off without it.
Hey thanks for sharing! Someone shared with me once a simple way to look at it when I was seriously considering leaving. It helped me make the decision that was best for me. “If it feels good, keep doing it. If it doesn’t, stop”. Now, that’s grossly oversimplified and downplays the severity of the question at hand…but gets the wheels spinning!
I like the absence of malice in your evaluation. You seem to have certain strengths that most alcoholics do not usually possess. Start a meeting. They need you. AA is employed as a a punishment for problem drinkers by outside sources, rather than a source of spirituality, where it's strengths exist. Most alcoholics are indeed "Stupid mean". It's not an easy crowd to get along with, unless you're a good-looking woman. The guys flock over them like crows. And don't expect AA members to have your back. The constant churn of drifting members makes sincere friendships hard to find. Getting more deeply involved in "service work" will expose one to some of the most difficult members to deal with. I found the advent of smart phoness brought a seismic shift to the demeanor within meetings. The spiritual fundamentals of the program are sound, but are now seldom emphasized. Also,, I find that simply not talking about weed, meds and 'shrooms avoids a lot of friction. It's nobody's business.
Great read, those are well thought out observations thanks for sharing. I actually would’ve never correlated the smart phone thing, I for sure saw that!
I can appreciate what you have to say and respect your opinion. It sounds like you were in kind of a messed up fellowship. I've been in three different fellowships. The first was in CA and it was super judgemental, people were vain and truly only cared about themselves. The next two were in ID and now MT. The people in the fellowship have never called each other a POS and are not judgemental at all. They just want to trudge the road with you and help you. That's my experience, and I just think it depends what fellowship you're in. However at the same time I do think that our own willpower is the ultimate deciding factor. But there are principles of AA and working the steps that have made me a much, much better person.
That’s beautiful man, such loving intention in those words I felt and appreciate that. I agree with all of it, definitely every fellowship is different. AA has 100% helped people, no doubt. And for sure every fellowship different. We are rough as fk out here in sac I guess. First meeting I ever attended was called Indian Charlie’s, it doesn’t exist anymore. I was only 3 days sober and was interrupted in sharing (I was asked to share didn’t volunteer) by a middle aged lady saying “you’re drinking 3 days after getting out of a rehab your parents paid for? You’re a piece of shit you’re not ready you need to leave and go drink”, then paused and looked at me. She fkn meant it, so I stood up on the spot and left. That’s how I started my AA career. I saw several others across multiple fellowships insulted hurtfully like that at group level and in “the meetings after the meetings”.
@@VibeWithTrevorI can say with certainty if that lady would have said that in either of the last two fellowships I've been a part of she would have been asked to leave. You do not treat a newcomer like that.
That’s so awesome! I knew a lot of people who got amazing relief and made amazing connections with alanon. I hope it’s helping, at the end of the day I just want people to feel happy and whatever program or lifestyle provides that is beautiful
Your entitled your you opinion and your research. I have tried many ways of getting sober. 10 yrs ago after 3 yrs sober, someone left a glass of wine at my home.. I knew it was there. Finally I drank it,sent me right to the store to get more.. 3 yrs sober bang,I was out of AA for 10 yrs,I had heard that before in aa.. that was never gonna happen to me,the Not Yets! Ended up in ER. Pancretittis.. that was my bottom. Again.. I lost/gave away so much h,too much! Easier softer way is going back to AA.. 18 days sober.. I wish you the best of luck.. 😊
89 years, 172 countries, 60+ translations worldwide..... That's a pretty good track record my dude. AA has never claimed to be the only game in town for getting sober, or for finding God. If people find another way... Our hats are off to them. Says it right there in the book.
I respect you're choices, I've been in the meeting's for years, sometimes in, sometimes out, but never heard the "I'm a piece of shit" slogan that you regularly refer to.
I desperately needed to hear that. I have been haunted by shame the outdated AA has made it worse for me. That is just my experience. This helped me in many other way as well but I do thank you it was an a torn place.
The program is not meetings it's steps and working with a sponsor mentor and mentoring.... To anybody and everybody... The original 12th step stated, having a spiritual experience then carry this message to others and alcoholics. they removed it from the original manuscript... There was a lot removed from the original manuscript... The program is only designed to bring you to God as fast as possible.... It is also noted to be a spiritual kindergarten....
Hi , Thank You for this video . Sorry to hear You had a such experience in AA. I’m in AA for 10 years and nobody called me piece of s 1 time. My Sponsor is caring and honest. I worked with about 40 addicts last 2 years and around 15 of them went through 12 steps and helping others. I’m recommending listening to Bob D., Sandy B. , Chuck C. I had same doubts as You , but it was part of the another surrender. Sponsoring, meetings, praying and feeling like I’m about to go insane or drink. This is where I had to let go of control and give it my life again to God. I could go for mushrooms, CBT , MJ or another antidepressant , but I went deeper into this darkness looking for a closer relation with my HP and asking people who had the same experience. All good for You. Let us know how this way of life work for You in 1 year .:) Be present.
A.A. was an extremely helpful thing when I 1st got sober but after 2 years I left simply because I wanted to move on with my life and i couldn't do that going to meetings day after day talking about my drinking and all of the things you mentioned....I tried weed and had no problem with it, i was addicted to alcohol and every drug i did was when I was drunk so i still consider myself sober because i havent touch a drop in 14 1/2 years and honestly haven't even thought about going back, so i totally agree with you
That’s exactly how I feel! I also agree you’re sober. If others don’t, that’s ok, it’s their opinion. Not even the big book describes sobriety they don’t even talk about not drinking, the program is to recover from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind. The founders were using all sorts of plant and chemical compounds. They’d be open to weed I bet. Sounds like you’ve recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind. Bet if you go to page 52 and read the bedevilments you’re doing just fine there too 🤙
@VibeWithTrevor I'm starting to see now that it's legal where I live more and more of the A.A. friends I still keep in touch with are doing it where before they didn't or didn't admit it...I only tried it for awhile but it seemed to effect some meds I'm on so I stopped but I never saw anything wrong with it for others, people that were addicts still drink socially that I knew so I feel as long as we give up the thing we were totally addicted to we are still sober, I mean I wouldn't recommend it to a newcomer but once their sobriety is on firm ground and they're done with that substance then I see no problem with it. Never heard of a person getting angry, violent or having domestic issues on weed...lol
Extremely well thought out message. That’s how I feel exactly. I’ve never thought of putting it that way as long as you’re off the main thing that you were addicted to. Also that’s really good self awareness to monitor weeds interaction with meds. Weed is not for everyone, but it 100% helps a lot of people in recovery and it’s WAY more common than people are acknowledging.
@@VibeWithTrevor I'm an Active member of NA. My sponsee smokes weed because she had seizures. But I still take her through the steps cause I have no issue with it. I just know that I can't do it myself
@ebecks that’s amazing of you, thank you for sharing that. In my opinion weed, used properly (it’s not for everyone), doesn’t block spiritual connection. Have a great weekend
I dunno buddy , i struggled in aa for 23 yrs. When i actually did the work they suggested all along i got and stayed sober. Hope ya find your peace brother
I hear you. I could only get sober once I left the preying eyes of AA. For me the greatest danger is in the whole 'sponsorship' arrangement, insofar as you give your possibly unscrupulous sponsor total control over your life. Btw, one of my sponsors stopped taking his psyche-meds. Within a few months, he committed suicide. So much for AA wisdom.
So sorry to hear that, I was also told to get off mine multiple times by people who def weren’t doctors. In my opinion the most challenging part of AA is when you enter the program. You don’t know who’s spiritually sick and who isn’t because everyone sounds the same given they all quote the book. So you have to be extremely careful who you pick to sponsor you. And never forget, that sponsor is just a person like you trying to get through life, they’re not god.
I quit drinking. Weed is legal here in Canada to buy at stores, so I figured I would do that because at least it isnt whiskey. All that did was make me extra paranoid about drinking, so now I do neither. Smoking some green is certainly not nearly as destructive as alcohol though.
Yep it’s for sure healthier but everyone is different and weed is not for everyone that’s for sure. Man that’s awesome self awareness monitoring how things are affecting your psychie. Awareness is crucial for long term sobriety, as you know. So glad to hear you don’t drink! Life so much better without. Right on thanks for sharing! 🍁
I know ppl who are sm9k8ng all day long. The lung damage, spending all their discretionary money. Hanging w folks who smoke. You are more likely to meet heavy users amongst folks qjo already do dope than folks who do no drug.
@@VibeWithTrevor I'm 3+ yrs no drink, but what some AAers would call "California Sober" I eat homegrown weed, it helps me have deep sleep, good for playing guitar, yoga, stretching, etc. but i made a deal with myself that if using weed made me steered me toward drink, then I would give up the weed becuz I just don't want any alcohol in my life! everyone's different, foe some people, the weed bone is connected to the drink bone, I don't do pain killers, sedatives, benzos, coke ,speed, etc. becuz for me, from experience, it would tend to lead me back to alcohol & I cannot afford to flush life down that drain..
Great question. First off, It’s different for everyone. I personally belive you need at LEAST 18 months completely sober before adding any weed in. Me personally, I went a decade without it. Now I like a little bit in the evenings about 3 hours before bed, I don’t like being super “stoned” but that’s just me, nothing wrong with getting stoned imo. Took me years to figure it out, first 3 years I did Fri and sat only, extremely Small dose to prove to myself I could use it responsibly. I view weed as recreational and medicinal. Mushrooms, I’m not into microdosing or recreational use. Couple times a year I’ll eat 5 gram+ doses, deep experiences. Takes months to process them. All this is not based on fact, it’s what works for me. Use extreme caution adding in anything. Also, there’s a chance that was a sarcastic comment and I misred, so this may be annoying 🤷
Man, I’m so glad this showed up on my TH-cam feed. I’ve been saying this to my wife for over a year. And she’s the one that encouraged me to take edibles and it’s changed everything. I personally feel like AA is a cult because if you don’t do one thing That they say then you’re doing it wrong and you’re gonna drink and you’re gonna die. It’s all smoke and mirrors. It doesn’t matter what you do unless you get to the point of where you or your wife or significant other says I’m done then nothing‘s going to happen. I was always told that you had to do it for yourself and not for anybody else but I always was doing it for myself and I was always relapsing. Tell my wife said she was done and I got my attention. I read/listen to a good book. How did you quit drinking without willpower I thought was Phenomenal And I see a counselor once a week and I’m sober. Thanks for the great video. Much appreciated.
The “you’re one thought from a drink and one drink from death” mantra is by far the sickest and most self abusive part of anything that came from AA. Second biggest lie is that you can’t do it for other people. I quit drinking for my 2 year old (at the time) daughter, still haven’t had a drink. When you’re done, you’re gonna stop drinking & using, period. When the consequences are sufficient enough you will find the “willpower” to not drink. We aren’t powerless, quite the opposite actually, our brains are basically wet quantum computers capable of miracles
thanks for the feedback! Hey I totally get your perspective, I have damage from that program too. Dont mean to give unsolicited advice here, but I always try to keep in mind that AA has helped and is helping a lot of people, and there are for sure a lot of amazing people in there. That usually helps me when I start getting pissed at stuff I experienced in there. Don't mean to soap box you here not my intention, thanks for the input
I've always had a problem with the AA is the only way idea. Why don't they study other methods? The first thing they do is make you do 90 meetings in 90 days. A difficult thing for someone who works 60 hours a week. It's impossible to engage with people from so many meetings.I developed a resentment to meetings. I'm doing fine without AA.
The “AA is the only way” mentality is why it’s dying out. And it’s definitely dying out as people have access to more information. What’s a shame is the founders of AA were ACTUALLY open minded, somehow it turned into a militant all or nothing mentality when it comes to AA. I don’t believe there’s only one path to God, and I don’t believe there’s only one path to a happy life (sober or not). Everything is about balance. AA has and continues to help a lot of people, but it needs to incorporate media, science, neuroscience immediately or they’re done.
I stopped going because the repetitive nature of readings, got so old,hearing same people share over n over,felt stuck,was time to break free,still sober, life's good
I had a horrible experience after a year in AA i got close to one of the women there who was lovely to me. Unfortunately i ended up in hospital very scared and in a very lonely place. She had the audacity to abuse me by text telling me i was a disgrace at my lowest place. This is from a woman who was only sober a few years and had been sectioned in a mental hospital for her alcoholism and set fire to her house with her kid inside. I was incredibly hurt and i just couldn't face it again. I decided to go to another AA and found out that the men that go there some of whom are not alcoholic go there to pick up vulnerable women. Awful experience would never go back there.
I’m sorry those things happened. Ya the men thing, that’s called “the 13th step” and it’s gross. I’ve also been abused by a sponsor horribly when my 3 week old daughter was hospitalized in niccu and I was crying to him he told me I was making it about myself and to get off my cross because “we need the wood”. I could feel it was not a lesson delivered with love, he was trying to hurt me at one of my lowest points. Sponsors are just regular people, no training.
@VibeWithTrevor I think AA has turned into a popularity contest these days of who can best eachother and be sober the longest. There's a lot of anger hatred and jealousy in those rooms and not the place with caring and kind people. I'm so sorry for what you went through. Thank you for your lovely message 🙂
AA has a lot of cultic traditions I got so tired of people saying the same cliches over and over again When I was young and thin and attractive, the women at AA hated me and the men loved me The women thought I love myself and was stuck up The men thought I was mysterious, with a story to tell that would remain untold! Neither assumption was true I was just a boring introverted person with extremely low self-esteem There are an awful lot of very unwell people at AA.
I hear you. Sorry you went through that, lots of male predators. AA hits every characteristic of a cult minus a single living charismatic figure but guess what, every fellowship has one. There are some very amazing people there but the unwell people greatly overshadow the good ones because the unwell ones are some of the sickest in the world because there’s no place else for them to be accepted. So they flock there
I will be going on Christmas day, where they put on a nice lunch, only because I have no one else to spend Christmas with I plan to just ignore all of the toxic people and rise above it I will not be there because of any temptation to drink I will be there because I'm lonely, that's all
Incredible place to be on Christmas! 🎄 those meetings are great and people hang all day. Everybody there on Christmas is always super grateful to be sober and happy to be with a community. The Christmas spirit alive, candy and cookies everywhere. Those are some amazing times. I’m sorry you don’t have anyone to spend it with, the fellowship is such a blessing there
Hey thanks! I love responsible cannabis use! It’s a privilege to be able to use it given our backgrounds, so rules and structures and boundaries need to be in place. In my opinion. May make a video on weed use in sobriety because I want people to understand it’s a very serious decision to consider using it and there are foundational rules that can’t be broken if you have a history with addiction. Anyhow have a great day
Thanks for sharing. I relate and agree with a lot You say. I've been going to AA in and out for almost 3 years. Keep Puffing on the weed, iys helps Me alot aswell ( Slowing down the Mind, Very True), Keep on with Schrooms ( I am due for another ). I'm still sober; As You said, Done is Done! No more booze. Keep Rocking Dude, Looking forward to Your next chat.
Thanks man that’s amazing and super upbeat I love that. Positivity wins! Hey, sounds like your life is moving forward in the right direction, sounds like you’ve recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind…as they say. I bet if you went to page 52 for a bedevilment check you’re doing well there also. THATS sobriety, people get too hung up on a date or their ego lets them think they know what sobriety should be for the next person, everyone is different. It’s pretty simple: are you happy? Healthy? Working? Loving to others? Paying bills? Have hobbies and passions? Spiritual connection? And the BIGGEST one…can you sit alone and quietly with yourself and no distractions for long chunks of time (20 min+). I love seeing people comeback like you have. Thanks for sharing, enjoy your day!
It’s not for everyone and that’s a fact. I haven’t experienced the negativity you have but it’s your experience and your decision. It works for the folks that really want it. And many people just stop because they really want it. What I get out of it is that I am the black sheep in my family and it’s nice to have fellowship with others who understand. AA can’t get anyone sober. That’s on the individual
I was in AA for 10 years never had any problems at all with the fellowship. I dropped out but do owe them my life too. I also do not go to church anymore either.
thats an awesome perspective and amazing way to look at your AA experience I love that positivity. At one point I was living in a homeless shelter with no ID, one pair of pants, no money no friends and no one would talk to me...yet people in AA took me in and people took me to get coffee and food and clothes. Ill never forget those people!
My experience with AA; newcomers aren't welcomed as I was in NA/CA. Traditions, especially 3, isn't honoured where i went. It was a weekly get together for the oldtimers, but a newcomer was seen as an intruder. I did NA and CA meetings, worked steps and did the suggested things and have a wonderful life worth living. The program works, if you work it. But it's a program of complete abstinence.....
Hi there , first of all , love from rio . I'm a recovering drug addict. your video is very inspiring . Hope you are doing well , i truly do . A.a. seem like a dictatorship from what i could gather so far , i'm 38 years old . Anyway , thanks for the inspiration , and the so called " think different " that you offer through your story . Love , peace and prosperity , from rio de janeiro , brazil . Stay safe , stay well . Peace
Hi There from Rio!! Ive always been fascinated by the culture there. My boss was from there back in the day. Thanks for reaching out, glad you enjoyed. love peace and prosperity!!
@VibeWithTrevor same to you brother , if not asking too much , could you offer some talking points about overcoming drinking and smoking ? Anyway stay strong , healthy and safe , peace to you and your loved ones , may 2025 bring recovery for those who seek it , peace
@VibeWithTrevor hello there. Yes , I'm chain smoking and drinking way too much coca cola . I know It sounds like a kid's drink , but alcoholism runs in my family, so I thought I would be better off wich coca cola rather than alcohol . My grandfather was kind like a happy drunk , and he did live to be the age he once said he want it to be , 80 years old. Deep down I know I use this excuse just because I would like to be 101 years old , I'm 38 years old going 39 this year in july . The reason is quite simple. My best friend in high school died early at 19 from an overdose of some stuff that I never really did know from what exactly, and my childhood sweet heart commit suicide also at 19 , she did drink heavily and had severe depression. Sorry for the lengthy message in advance. I'm pre diabetes, who also run in the family, and I know I have to step way from the edge . Any advice would be welcomed. Stay safe out there. Love and peace from rio , kadu engelke
@VibeWithTrevor hello there. Yes I'm chain smoking and drinking way too much coca cola. I know It sounds like a kid's drink , but alcoholism runs in my family, so I tought I would be better off drink coca cola instead. my grandfather was kind like a happy drunk, and he did get to be the age he once said he wanted to be , 80 years old . Deep down i use this excuse to drink , but i know i'm just fooling myself. I'm 38 going 39 this year , and if I have a choice in the matter, I would like to be 101. The reason is quite simple . My best friend in high school died at 19 from an overdose, and my childhood sweet heart commit suicide also at 19 , she had severe depression, and did drink heavily. I'm pre diabetes, that also runs in the family, I know I have to step away from the edge. Sorry in advance for the lengthy message. Some of my heroes are from America, I did visit your great country back in '93 , people like aerosmith , bb king , iggy pop , John frusciante and the likes . I am also a fan of eric clapton , although British born , I think his wife is from the mid West. What those folks seem to have in common is that they did go trough the crap of addiction but did come out on the other side . From my country there's some cool people too , like a musician called roberto carlos , people here call him the king , and a personal local hero of mine is the author named paulo coelho . He was born and raised a walking distance from where I was also born , raised and still live . I think he did sell some 320 millions copies of his books, the most popular, being one called the alchemist . I know you didn't ask any of this , but I entertain the idea of being a film score composer, and these past days an actress from my home town even did win a golden globe for her work in acting . I think her name is fernanda torres . Sorry again to be seem to be abusing your goodwill. I'm just someone who did struggle with drugs in the past , still have some issues with it , but don't really feel like monk living sobriety is what all is there . For my 2 cents , the word balance could solve a lot stuff in life and let people enjoy life without looking for trouble at the same time . Sorry again to be seem to be abusing your patience, I'll let you be . Stay safe out there , that 2025 bring joy and happiness to you and those you care for , peace and love , from rio , kadu engelke
I hear what you’re saying. But for the greater good, Alcoholics Anonymous might be preventing some fatal drunken accidents! Maybe a few? Maybe. But yeah, I hear ya on that, I left AA a while back because I loathed it and had a hard time sustaining friendships in it, and so I just decided to give it a try in my own. Those meetings sometimes can be a shit show 😂😂
I'm 6 minutes in and I can tell that there is a misunderstanding with Step 1. AA saved my life and I know it's saved many others. I see it at meetings and I hear it in people's stories (I have been to SEVERAL celebrations of people who have been sober for WAY more than just 5 years so I'm not sure where your statistic came from but where I live AA is saving many many lives) I am powerless over alcohol - not powerless over weather I take the first drink - but IF I take the first drink it will trigger the physical allergy and I will continue to drink and then POSSIBLY, if I continue down the alcohol road I could eventually kill myself as this is a progressive dis-ease. I agree that genetics may not be a factor BUT family and societal conditioning does play a huge role in this dis-ease. I watched both my parents drink daily from the time I was born so I grew up thinking it was normal. Not sure why I'm writing this as it sounds like your experience sucked...I guess I want people to know that AA saves lives, if you CHOOSE to look at yourself and make the changes you need to make to ensure that alcohol doesn't kill you.
I'm maybe not considered an alcoholic, but I drink and a 61 year old female. I've drunk various amounts at different times in my life, I took myself to rehab around 2013, and it was based around AA. I found many were judgemental, the group I joined when I left rehab weren't open to real heavy drinkers not so well educated, and spoke about those no hopers who were going to be at one of the Christmas meetings and lunch, WTF, what sort of people are they ?? I stopped as I found it very cliquey.
My final straw was when I told my sponsor I didn’t want to work with him anymore and he blocked me. He has 24 years. I do not want what he has. But I will never forget hearing some old timer calling a black person the N word. I will never forget it.
oh man thats terrible, AA is not a racist program in my experience but of COURSE there will be racist people. Dude I hope someone shut that mfer, that sh*t has no place in AA. Thats hurtful your sponsor blocked you Im sorry that happened, hopefully you can find some humor in it now. Life good for you now?
It's the only outlet where many of these sanctimonious hypocritical well trained lab rats have any semblance of authority. Most of them have never even come close to practicing the 12 steps as they're laid out in their literature. So grateful I'm no longer part of this ruse. My advice to anyone struggling with alcohol is to attend a few AA meetings, for no other reason than you can witness first hand what not to do.
32 yrs sober and I agree with the trash that's involved with people in AA , the program itself is a great guide to live with principles as life goes on. I am on anti depression medication which helps but doesn't cure . I don't have any desire to use pot or other mood change drugs.
sounds to me it worked to help you learn a new way of life. It may not be your permanent solution but it definitely helped you. Hope you have peace and sobriety until you die
Thanks Seth, that’s super kind of you to say. You’re absolutely right and I love the positive outlook thanks for that 🙏 ! AA more than helped me in the beginning…it actually saved my life. If someone is happy in AA and it’s helping them, that’s a beautiful thing
Great video I agree with most of your views. Sadly I'm not in the best place right now. I just can't bring myself to hear AA talk. I do SAMRT Recovery it helps, SMART will tell you if 12 steps groups can help use them. Yet AA will knock SMART. I also like step 4 and 5. But I feel step 5 should be done with a professional.. I just feel AA could help so many people if they would update the program and The Big Book and I'm not talking about adding new stories.
AA seriously needs to update. They’re missing the opportunity to save lives. They’re about 40 years behind where they should be. I hope they change the bi laws and traditions to accommodate today’s society that doesn’t even resemble American in 1935. Sorry you’re not in the best place man. Ever wanna chat you can find me on the gram @vibewithhumanity
Im reading the comments and I just want to say a couple things. (Why should you listen to me? You probably shouldn’t. But I feel deeply about this.) the message of AA is no longer popular in AA. I sit in AA meetings all day and idk what the fuck anyone is talking about 90 percent of the time. Thank god for my sponsor. You’re praising the 4th and 5th and 9th step. 1 gives you what you need to get through 2. 2to get through 3 (and so on). There’s a LOT of confused moderate and hard drinkers spreading a lot of their personalities and ego. Not the principles and the message. I respect that you have many more years me experience with this stuff so I am trying to be open listening to this. I’m fighting my prejudices and I can do that because hey, the lay aside prayer from Aa is a hell of a thing. One last thing, my sponsor actually is in the program primarily for weed. He tried meth and could take or leave it. I tripped on that but idk something to think about.
Your ability to be self aware of your prejudices and monitor your own ego is off the charts. That practice is the MOST important thing to staying sober (whatever that means to you) long term. That’s why your comment feels loving and well intentioned not hateful and negative because it’s coming from your spirit with out being polluted by the ego. Amazing man thanks for these words thanks for taking the care to write them that way. Truly. That’s interesting to hear about the AA message being lost. I started seeing that before I left 5 years ago. I hear you on all this, honestly this channel started as a video diary to have fun with I had no idea it was going to get that many views. That was cool to read this from you thank you for sharing
In 4 step I split in two, Illusion that i lived in and what is actually I should be according HP help. Every morning I get up and ask myself what I can do to be a good mum to my kids, how I can be productive at my work, who can I help? And that is how I live my life after 12 step program. I don’t chaise “ that “ feeling anymore from outside, it is all within In me! I think you didn’t get the program massage properly. ❤
I’ve never ran into that mean spiritedness and sorry you did. Also the opposition to psyche meds is not anything I experienced. I think your emphasis on the worth of certain Steps is accurate. One great AA speaker Mark H mentions Tolle and a specific path I think you’d appreciate. Side note- Bill W was an advocate for LSD as a therapeutic
Mushrooms? I used to pick them and use them back in the 80’s good for a while then a firm of psychosis kicked in. I’ve worked in mental health for 22 years and I’m also a recovering alcoholic. As for AA. There is always good and bad everywhere to the one united effort is to stay sober. Hope the mushrooms dont take you down the mind road they took me and others .. eventually. Take care Buddy. Mark ( UK)🙏👍
What’s up UK! Thanks for the kind words, Mark, and the warning, I appreciate it. You’re right, staying grounded on mushrooms is key. Years ago, I took them too often for my physiology (about once a week), and it led to mild psychosis. I started thinking the “universe” was talking to me all the time, got obsessed with energies and frequencies, and got really confused about spirituality - like, what is God? Am I God? Is God an energy? Thankfully, I noticed what was happening, stop taking them, and those thought patterns went away. Now I just eat them a couple of times a year. They can be confusing, but for me, the compassion, empathy, and spiritual growth I’ve gained make it worth it. So you can just pick them right from the ground there?!? Boy that would be tempting 😂. Appreciate the input my man!
Percentage rate of recovery in AA is a meaningless statistic. AA, despite what people in meetings say, doesn't purport to stop a person from drinking. In fact it suggests you keep drinking if you have any doubts. AA, instead, makes a proposition to alcoholics who are ready to put drinking behind them. The 12 steps are a path to recognizing and changing behaviours that prevent you from enjoying a responsible, contented life without alcohol. You don't need to parse the directions in the steps you just need to comprehend the principles. Whether you believe in god or not - I'm an atheist - the first 3 steps are about honestly acknowledging that you can't control your drinking and that you need help. From 4-7 is about taking a look inward to discover maladaptive coping mechanisms, self defeating behaviours that can be corrected. 8-10 are about getting right with others in your life. 11 doesn't have a great deal of meaning for me but, as a musician, I do meditate on certain exercises I rehearse each day. And 12 is the one that says "get on with your life living it charitably and according to the principles you've learned from doing the previous steps". It's easy to badmouth AA, I've done it a lot myself, tossing the whole thing aside when there's much to recommend it. It's not the only game in town and I admire and respect people who seek to find new ways to contented abstinence, but for some people it is a safe and supportive place where they can learn to re-socialize and play well with others. But it won't get you sober and it doesn't promise that.
I'm a real alcoholic and it works if you work it. If you don't nothing happens. No one should have told you that "everything will work out for you" because they can't know that.
Yes, I’m always in and out of AA because I always feel uncomfortable. Maybe because I be the only young black girl there with a bunch of old white men & women and I don’t find it motivating it actually makes me want to drink more lol Also I see how you keep apologizing in the video you don’t have to do that. What you are saying makes perfect sense.
Appreciate that, people deep in AA that have let themselves fully adopt and be engulfed in that dogma are going to feel very threatened by these ideas so I kept trying to apologize to keep things calm. I def struggle with guilt from this video because I know it rubbed some people wrong. Not meaning to, it’s just my experience. I could see how you’d feel out of place there for sure. How’s everything for you now?
@@VibeWithTrevor I went yesterday and rushed out after the prayer. It’s not for me I just need to be stronger and understand that it’s mind over matter.
Dude, I’ve been there so many times. I’ve even rushed out mid prayer 😂. I’m glad to hear you went back to see if there was anything there, maybe someday the right meeting will find YOU. I agree that mind over matter is a MUCH bigger part of not drinking than we are led to believe in AA. Keep trying new things, something is gonna click. Thanks for sharing here I appreciate you .
@@VibeWithTrevor wait! Not mid prayer 😂 I’ve rushed out while they were handing out the coins one time, but there is one AA group I would go to all the time before I moved and they seemed a bit more positive at that one. I just moved so I don’t go anymore, but still they have moments were I feel like im hearing a lot of negatives in ppl stories and I don’t like how they often call themselves demeaning names like “pieces of shits, addicts for life, sick people.” I just don’t identify with those words. The world beats us up enough im not going to help them. Also I don’t totally believe in contacting people you’ve hurt to try and make amends. I believe in showing people that you are better by just simply doing better. Not everyone from our past deserve to see the new and improved us bc some of those ppl contributed to our substance abuse. I know AA don’t want us to believe that, but I know my life and I know the triggers that lead me to that liquor store everyday and if I didn’t deal with half of the ppl I dealt with I probably wouldn’t have been drinking so heavy.
So in a nutshell you made a video about how working on yourself possibly added decades to your life to let us know you are now leaving. Why didn't you just name the video " I left AA to do my own thing, smoke pot and eat shrooms"?
No offense but in the first minute you mentioned so much stuff that wasn't AA but you attributed it to it. Then you went on to say addiction has nothing to do with genes,it absolutely does and has been proven. You're also not sober and come across full of resentment. The success rate for AA is between 50-70% for the people that do it,most dont do it so should be dismissed same with anyone court ordered not to mention the non alcoholic drug addicts that attend like yourself, they're in the wrong place to begin with. 90 meetings in 90.days isn't AA and Ive never met a single alcoholic that chooses or wants to be that way. Good luck on your journey
The message you received in your meetings is not associated with AA. If it's not in the Big Book, it's not AA. If you actually read the book, it's all about hope. Additionally, the only reason the success rates have fallen is because people think it's a place to come dump their problems and share their opinions. If you actually do what the book says, it's 100% that you'll recover. Overall, I'm sad that was your experience but it sound like bad meetings and others opinions drove you out, not AA.
Excuse me, no. It was in fact AA that drove them out. If I asked 10 random people on the street "what do you picture in your head when I say the words 'AA'" you're most likely going to find 8 or 9 out of 10 people would say, "Oh yea, those meetings in church basements with folding chairs and bad coffee?". Lol, it's part of the damn fabric of our culture that AA is about the meetings. If somebody gets court ordered to go to AA, they aren't sentenced to be able to go in a room by themselves and study the almighty big book by themselves and ..ponder its magnificence and complete genius and completely non sexist and overly obvious Christian religious understandings of God..... ..... Just sayin. Anyway, yea, that doesn't happen. They go to the meetings. Which almost all are chocked full of arrogant, wife beating, narcissistic douchebags. Combine this with the convenient, lazy, pandering nature of AA, complete with fake emotions and concern for others, and you have smart people like myself eventually getting the hint and running for the hills. I am selfish enough, thank you. Why would I go to an environment where that side of me would be encouraged in any way? Just the attention seeking aspect I observed and became part of, it makes me wanna throw up. So I stand up and announce to a room of strangers that I've reached 6 months of sobriety. And? Why does the amount of time matter? Old Bob over there who's been going to the meeting for 40 years, he could secretly be a serial killer and cutting people up and shit for all I know. But because he's got 40 years, oh yea, he knows a thing or 2, he can show ya. Time Sober = BETTER NO MATTER WHAT and psychologically speaking, focusing on time sober, with chips and what not, don't even fucking get me started. This is kids stuff. This is Recovery for Dummies. This is adult children whos lives went a bit off the rails crave attention and validate themselves and make themselves feel like they care and give a shit about anyone else. They still don't, and their "support" for you immediately shuts off if you question the program, etc. is equally terrible, but I digress. Yea, don't go. Don't get caught up. It's such bullshit and our society deserves better than for intelligent people to be subject to this crap. Especially with propaganda saying it's still the best game in town for treating the "disease" of addiction. Yes, a disease so terrible that you can be told you have it without having a Medical Doctors diagnosis. Oh, but it's more of a Spiritual Malady! Ok fine, but you can't have it both ways then. Don't fill our medical field and counselors, psychiatrists, etc. with quacks who will tell you the best thing to do is go to a meeting. I have no problem saying this, AA can go fuck itself. This nonsense is what created this current climate where we have morons at all levels doing AA lip service just to get more people coming through the doors. It's sickening. If it is indeed a real medical disease, then treat it like a real god damn disease. But pick one. The problem can't be medical, just to have the solution be the nonsense, half assed, pandering lazy bit of crap that is AAs ideas.
Around 7 min. I would rather be dependent on AA than the dealers. Ya, I never want to forget being desperate n afraid of dying, homeless, addicted. It's a way to be social w folks who don't want to drink n drug.
I find it highly unlikely that you had sponsored "thousands" of people in AA. Let's assume what you claim is true. You sponsored thousands of people during your time in AA and were successful in getting one person through the 12 steps. Great, I hope that person was able to stay sober after your sponsorship. So, one success and thousands of failures. I wonder, what, or who, was the common denominator in all of those failures?
I desperately needed to hear that. I have been haunted by shame the outdated AA has made it worse for me. That is just my experience. This helped me in many other way as well but I do thank you it was an a torn place.
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Great video, I can relate to distancing yourself from the program. AA is certainly not a requirement for maintaining sobriety.
Agreed
100% agree with you! 14 years sober. My life is vastly broader now that I left. I am happy and at peace.
That’s incredible to hear youre at peace 🙌
@@VibeWithTrevor It takes work, being true to oneself. AA is what helped me get sober. I found it limited my healing and growth. There are so many paths.
love that, so many paths!
Some people go to AA for years and don't ever work the steps
They just go for the fellowship
I used to judge them for that but I don't anymore because if having fellowship keeps them happy and keeps them sober then it is all good
Love that positive perspective thanks. Hey if they’re sober and happy and AA is a vehicle that helped them, I think that’s a win!
@@HeatherClark-f5b ya only requirement is a desire to stay sober . Back in the day they used to qualify alcoholics .
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Thank you Trevor, I really needed to hear this video. I’ve been feeling guilty for stopping AA but I feel it was only hindering my life, more of a social club, meditation is what really helps!
Meditation! Big time! Forgot to dive deep into that, I’ve seen it change lives. Mine included. How do you mediate if you don’t mind sharing?
I am a cranky old timer in AA. And I appreciate your candor and think you are doing well.
Hey, I love me some cranky old timers!
24 years sober and I agree with the”cranky old timer.”
Sadly, at 2:04 your credibility took a severe hit. "All these oldtimers were telling me I was a piece of shit". I got sober around a bunch of "cranky" auto workers in Lansing, Michigan, and not a one of them ever said anything like that to me, or anyone else. So, your first story doesn't even fly. But, for the sake of discussion let's say you DID hear that in a meeting. How many times did you say something you wish you hadn't? Or screwed somebody over for drugs, or cheated on your girlfriend, or lied to your parents, coaches, employers, friends, etc? I'm guessing you didn't get to AA on a high note or because you were bored. Not everyone in AA is healthy, which is no different than government, education, healthcare, military, business, religion, law enforcement, financial institutions, sports, etc, etc. How small do you have to be to actually post a video, highlighting a big fat resentment?
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@Mark-pp7jy totally see your point of view, thank you for sharing!
So so sorry that was your experience. I am nearly 11 years sober and wouldn't be without AA. I wish you a happy healthy future
Thank you for that! I wish you a happy future as well 😃
@lucywade6921 I wish you a happy future but in my experience and I have a lot with AA and went to at least 1000 meetings, once I did 120 meetings in 90 days, my record was 6 in one day in 3 states but a couple of years into sobriety I realized I don't fear alcohol or living a sober life and didn't want to talk about my drinking at every meeting, I wanted to move on with my life and not be defined by what I was, I'm still a recovering alcoholic and always will be but I don't define myself by it, lose the fear and lose the urge and it's not needed. I get that it's a great community and we make great friends so I don't criticize people who do it but I just feel that if that if it's still needed after long time sobriety the fear is still there.
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I’m happy you find a way to stay sober but I’ve been sober since 7/16/15 and the thing that I’ve learned is that No human power is going to relieve me from my alcoholism. I learned to rely on God and still go to meetings to help people that are hopeless and help them to find a way using the big book the way is outlined in the first 164 pages. Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s an individual journey and I’m glad you find yours as well as I did. Good luck sincerely Antonio from Bk
I love that man thank you for those beautiful words appreciate you sharing
Thank you for your honesty ! I just left AA after 2 1/2 years , I agree with you 100% , a meeting about 3 weeks ago , I suddenly woke up and thought “what the f**k am I doing here “, biggest awakening I’ve had , many of the rooms are full of narcissistic sociopaths 😮😢 I was so fearful of leaving , mainly because I was being told nothing else works except AA, what happened was , I become self aware and aware of others around me , including the harm AA was causing me. I will say I have met some truly kind , and caring people in AA, its not all bad or all good 😌
I feel the same way, also agree I met and still know some amazing people I met there 🙌
It's where people with terrible addictions go to worship the beast of addiction. It can be done on your own. Rational Recovery helped me save my life.
That’s awesome. I’ve heard of that but don’t have any experience. Good to have in the tool belt
Thank you for this. Three years in and out of the rooms and I finally snapped when my latest sponsor spent 45 minutes twice in one week to tell me how I'm the only problem and I haven't changed at all
I hear you. Unfortunately sometimes in AA there’s a fine line between helping vs abusing people
Thanks for this! I feel sooo much of what you said. It’s really a relief to know people out there have had the same experience and are still sober on the other side. I’ve been toying with the idea of leaving the program from several months, going back and forth. When I step into my power I really feel like I may be better off without it.
Hey thanks for sharing! Someone shared with me once a simple way to look at it when I was seriously considering leaving. It helped me make the decision that was best for me. “If it feels good, keep doing it. If it doesn’t, stop”. Now, that’s grossly oversimplified and downplays the severity of the question at hand…but gets the wheels spinning!
I like the absence of malice in your evaluation. You seem to have certain strengths that most alcoholics do not usually possess. Start a meeting. They need you.
AA is employed as a a punishment for problem drinkers by outside sources, rather than a source of spirituality, where it's strengths exist.
Most alcoholics are indeed "Stupid mean". It's not an easy crowd to get along with, unless you're a good-looking woman. The guys flock over them like crows.
And don't expect AA members to have your back. The constant churn of drifting members makes sincere friendships hard to find. Getting more deeply involved in "service work" will expose one to some of the most difficult members to deal with. I found the advent of smart phoness brought a seismic shift to the demeanor within meetings. The spiritual fundamentals of the program are sound, but are now seldom emphasized. Also,, I find that simply not talking about weed, meds and 'shrooms avoids a lot of friction. It's nobody's business.
Great read, those are well thought out observations thanks for sharing. I actually would’ve never correlated the smart phone thing, I for sure saw that!
I can appreciate what you have to say and respect your opinion. It sounds like you were in kind of a messed up fellowship. I've been in three different fellowships. The first was in CA and it was super judgemental, people were vain and truly only cared about themselves. The next two were in ID and now MT. The people in the fellowship have never called each other a POS and are not judgemental at all. They just want to trudge the road with you and help you. That's my experience, and I just think it depends what fellowship you're in. However at the same time I do think that our own willpower is the ultimate deciding factor. But there are principles of AA and working the steps that have made me a much, much better person.
That’s beautiful man, such loving intention in those words I felt and appreciate that. I agree with all of it, definitely every fellowship is different. AA has 100% helped people, no doubt. And for sure every fellowship different. We are rough as fk out here in sac I guess. First meeting I ever attended was called Indian Charlie’s, it doesn’t exist anymore. I was only 3 days sober and was interrupted in sharing (I was asked to share didn’t volunteer) by a middle aged lady saying “you’re drinking 3 days after getting out of a rehab your parents paid for? You’re a piece of shit you’re not ready you need to leave and go drink”, then paused and looked at me. She fkn meant it, so I stood up on the spot and left. That’s how I started my AA career. I saw several others across multiple fellowships insulted hurtfully like that at group level and in “the meetings after the meetings”.
@@VibeWithTrevorI can say with certainty if that lady would have said that in either of the last two fellowships I've been a part of she would have been asked to leave. You do not treat a newcomer like that.
Sounds like you’ve got some amazing groups love to hear it. Thanks for sharing
I appreciate you. I started Alnon which is based on AA. I picked up on everything you’re saying. You are really helping many.
That’s so awesome! I knew a lot of people who got amazing relief and made amazing connections with alanon. I hope it’s helping, at the end of the day I just want people to feel happy and whatever program or lifestyle provides that is beautiful
Your entitled your you opinion and your research.
I have tried many ways of getting sober. 10 yrs ago after 3 yrs sober, someone left a glass of wine at my home.. I knew it was there. Finally I drank it,sent me right to the store to get more.. 3 yrs sober bang,I was out of AA for 10 yrs,I had heard that before in aa.. that was never gonna happen to me,the Not Yets!
Ended up in ER. Pancretittis.. that was my bottom. Again.. I lost/gave away so much h,too much!
Easier softer way is going back to AA.. 18 days sober.. I wish you the best of luck.. 😊
Remembering this is a disease.. it does kill.
I'd rather be drunk,than dry. It's such a struggle without help for this is the easier softer way!
Man I’m glad to hear your back and everything is ok. Sorry that happened you got this thank you so much for sharing 🙏 🙌
Thats awesome it’s working for you my man happy to hear that thanks for sharing!
89 years, 172 countries, 60+ translations worldwide..... That's a pretty good track record my dude. AA has never claimed to be the only game in town for getting sober, or for finding God. If people find another way... Our hats are off to them. Says it right there in the book.
Thanks my man, appreciate your share!
I respect you're choices, I've been in the meeting's for years, sometimes in, sometimes out, but never heard the "I'm a piece of shit" slogan that you regularly refer to.
Thank you for speaking out so honestly
appreciate that!
I desperately needed to hear that. I have been haunted by shame the outdated AA has made it worse for me. That is just my experience. This helped me in many other way as well but I do thank you it was an a torn place.
Thats all we can do is share our experience
The program is not meetings it's steps and working with a sponsor mentor and mentoring.... To anybody and everybody...
The original 12th step stated, having a spiritual experience then carry this message to others and alcoholics. they removed it from the original manuscript...
There was a lot removed from the original manuscript...
The program is only designed to bring you to God as fast as possible.... It is also noted to be a spiritual kindergarten....
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Hi , Thank You for this video . Sorry to hear You had a such experience in AA. I’m in AA for 10 years and nobody called me piece of s 1 time. My Sponsor is caring and honest. I worked with about 40 addicts last 2 years and around 15 of them went through 12 steps and helping others. I’m recommending listening to Bob D., Sandy B. , Chuck C. I had same doubts as You , but it was part of the another surrender. Sponsoring, meetings, praying and feeling like I’m about to go insane or drink. This is where I had to let go of control and give it my life again to God. I could go for mushrooms, CBT , MJ or another antidepressant , but I went deeper into this darkness looking for a closer relation with my HP and asking people who had the same experience. All good for You. Let us know how this way of life work for You in 1 year .:) Be present.
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A.A. was an extremely helpful thing when I 1st got sober but after 2 years I left simply because I wanted to move on with my life and i couldn't do that going to meetings day after day talking about my drinking and all of the things you mentioned....I tried weed and had no problem with it, i was addicted to alcohol and every drug i did was when I was drunk so i still consider myself sober because i havent touch a drop in 14 1/2 years and honestly haven't even thought about going back, so i totally agree with you
That’s exactly how I feel! I also agree you’re sober. If others don’t, that’s ok, it’s their opinion. Not even the big book describes sobriety they don’t even talk about not drinking, the program is to recover from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind. The founders were using all sorts of plant and chemical compounds. They’d be open to weed I bet. Sounds like you’ve recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind. Bet if you go to page 52 and read the bedevilments you’re doing just fine there too 🤙
@VibeWithTrevor I'm starting to see now that it's legal where I live more and more of the A.A. friends I still keep in touch with are doing it where before they didn't or didn't admit it...I only tried it for awhile but it seemed to effect some meds I'm on so I stopped but I never saw anything wrong with it for others, people that were addicts still drink socially that I knew so I feel as long as we give up the thing we were totally addicted to we are still sober, I mean I wouldn't recommend it to a newcomer but once their sobriety is on firm ground and they're done with that substance then I see no problem with it. Never heard of a person getting angry, violent or having domestic issues on weed...lol
Extremely well thought out message. That’s how I feel exactly. I’ve never thought of putting it that way as long as you’re off the main thing that you were addicted to. Also that’s really good self awareness to monitor weeds interaction with meds. Weed is not for everyone, but it 100% helps a lot of people in recovery and it’s WAY more common than people are acknowledging.
@@VibeWithTrevor I'm an Active member of NA. My sponsee smokes weed because she had seizures. But I still take her through the steps cause I have no issue with it. I just know that I can't do it myself
@ebecks that’s amazing of you, thank you for sharing that. In my opinion weed, used properly (it’s not for everyone), doesn’t block spiritual connection. Have a great weekend
I dunno buddy , i struggled in aa for 23 yrs. When i actually did the work they suggested all along i got and stayed sober. Hope ya find your peace brother
Thanks man. Love the dog!! Appreciate your input. Have a great weekend 🤙
I hear you. I could only get sober once I left the preying eyes of AA. For me the greatest danger is in the whole 'sponsorship' arrangement, insofar as you give your possibly unscrupulous sponsor total control over your life. Btw, one of my sponsors stopped taking his psyche-meds. Within a few months, he committed suicide. So much for AA wisdom.
So sorry to hear that, I was also told to get off mine multiple times by people who def weren’t doctors. In my opinion the most challenging part of AA is when you enter the program. You don’t know who’s spiritually sick and who isn’t because everyone sounds the same given they all quote the book. So you have to be extremely careful who you pick to sponsor you. And never forget, that sponsor is just a person like you trying to get through life, they’re not god.
@VibeWithTrevor I have read this on line groups etc.
Yet I have never heard of it around here.
That’s a good thing!
I quit drinking. Weed is legal here in Canada to buy at stores, so I figured I would do that because at least it isnt whiskey. All that did was make me extra paranoid about drinking, so now I do neither. Smoking some green is certainly not nearly as destructive as alcohol though.
Yep it’s for sure healthier but everyone is different and weed is not for everyone that’s for sure. Man that’s awesome self awareness monitoring how things are affecting your psychie. Awareness is crucial for long term sobriety, as you know. So glad to hear you don’t drink! Life so much better without. Right on thanks for sharing! 🍁
I know ppl who are sm9k8ng all day long. The lung damage, spending all their discretionary money. Hanging w folks who smoke. You are more likely to meet heavy users amongst folks qjo already do dope than folks who do no drug.
That’s def true, gotta be super careful who uou surround yourself with
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I'm 3+ yrs no drink, but what some AAers would call "California Sober"
I eat homegrown weed, it helps me have deep sleep, good for playing guitar, yoga, stretching, etc.
but i made a deal with myself that if using weed made me steered me toward drink, then I would give up the weed becuz I just don't want any alcohol in my life!
everyone's different, foe some people, the weed bone is connected to the drink bone,
I don't do pain killers, sedatives, benzos, coke ,speed, etc. becuz for me, from experience, it would tend to lead me back to alcohol & I cannot afford to flush life down that drain..
Right there with ya thanks for sharing! 🙌
How do you use mushrooms and weed properly?
Great question. First off, It’s different for everyone. I personally belive you need at LEAST 18 months completely sober before adding any weed in. Me personally, I went a decade without it. Now I like a little bit in the evenings about 3 hours before bed, I don’t like being super “stoned” but that’s just me, nothing wrong with getting stoned imo. Took me years to figure it out, first 3 years I did Fri and sat only, extremely
Small dose to prove to myself I could use it responsibly. I view weed as recreational and medicinal. Mushrooms, I’m not into microdosing or recreational use. Couple times a year I’ll eat 5 gram+ doses, deep experiences. Takes months to process them. All this is not based on fact, it’s what works for me. Use extreme caution adding in anything. Also, there’s a chance that was a sarcastic comment and I misred, so this may be annoying 🤷
Man, I’m so glad this showed up on my TH-cam feed. I’ve been saying this to my wife for over a year. And she’s the one that encouraged me to take edibles and it’s changed everything. I personally feel like AA is a cult because if you don’t do one thing That they say then you’re doing it wrong and you’re gonna drink and you’re gonna die. It’s all smoke and mirrors. It doesn’t matter what you do unless you get to the point of where you or your wife or significant other says I’m done then nothing‘s going to happen. I was always told that you had to do it for yourself and not for anybody else but I always was doing it for myself and I was always relapsing. Tell my wife said she was done and I got my attention. I read/listen to a good book. How did you quit drinking without willpower I thought was Phenomenal And I see a counselor once a week and I’m sober.
Thanks for the great video. Much appreciated.
The “you’re one thought from a drink and one drink from death” mantra is by far the sickest and most self abusive part of anything that came from AA. Second biggest lie is that you can’t do it for other people. I quit drinking for my 2 year old (at the time) daughter, still haven’t had a drink. When you’re done, you’re gonna stop drinking & using, period. When the consequences are sufficient enough you will find the “willpower” to not drink. We aren’t powerless, quite the opposite actually, our brains are basically wet quantum computers capable of miracles
Great video. Thanks so much. I hope alcoholics anonymous goes out of existence.
thanks for the feedback! Hey I totally get your perspective, I have damage from that program too. Dont mean to give unsolicited advice here, but I always try to keep in mind that AA has helped and is helping a lot of people, and there are for sure a lot of amazing people in there. That usually helps me when I start getting pissed at stuff I experienced in there. Don't mean to soap box you here not my intention, thanks for the input
I've always had a problem with the AA is the only way idea. Why don't they study other methods? The first thing they do is make you do 90 meetings in 90 days. A difficult thing for someone who works 60 hours a week. It's impossible to engage with people from so many meetings.I developed a resentment to meetings. I'm doing fine without AA.
The “AA is the only way” mentality is why it’s dying out. And it’s definitely dying out as people have access to more information. What’s a shame is the founders of AA were ACTUALLY open minded, somehow it turned into a militant all or nothing mentality when it comes to AA. I don’t believe there’s only one path to God, and I don’t believe there’s only one path to a happy life (sober or not). Everything is about balance. AA has and continues to help a lot of people, but it needs to incorporate media, science, neuroscience immediately or they’re done.
I stopped going because the repetitive nature of readings, got so old,hearing same people share over n over,felt stuck,was time to break free,still sober, life's good
Amazing you went for it! Breaking free when you’re deep in there is terrifying. Super glad you’re happy and sober now thanks for sharing 🙏
I had a horrible experience after a year in AA i got close to one of the women there who was lovely to me. Unfortunately i ended up in hospital very scared and in a very lonely place. She had the audacity to abuse me by text telling me i was a disgrace at my lowest place. This is from a woman who was only sober a few years and had been sectioned in a mental hospital for her alcoholism and set fire to her house with her kid inside. I was incredibly hurt and i just couldn't face it again. I decided to go to another AA and found out that the men that go there some of whom are not alcoholic go there to pick up vulnerable women. Awful experience would never go back there.
I’m sorry those things happened. Ya the men thing, that’s called “the 13th step” and it’s gross. I’ve also been abused by a sponsor horribly when my 3 week old daughter was hospitalized in niccu and I was crying to him he told me I was making it about myself and to get off my cross because “we need the wood”. I could feel it was not a lesson delivered with love, he was trying to hurt me at one of my lowest points. Sponsors are just regular people, no training.
@VibeWithTrevor I think AA has turned into a popularity contest these days of who can best eachother and be sober the longest. There's a lot of anger hatred and jealousy in those rooms and not the place with caring and kind people. I'm so sorry for what you went through. Thank you for your lovely message 🙂
You too!
I've been in and out for 11 years. I needed to hear this. I agree with this.
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Alcohol is from grain that "grows in the ground" as well
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AA has a lot of cultic traditions
I got so tired of people saying the same cliches over and over again
When I was young and thin and attractive, the women at AA hated me and the men loved me
The women thought I love myself and was stuck up
The men thought I was mysterious, with a story to tell that would remain untold!
Neither assumption was true
I was just a boring introverted person with extremely low self-esteem
There are an awful lot of very unwell people at AA.
I hear you. Sorry you went through that, lots of male predators. AA hits every characteristic of a cult minus a single living charismatic figure but guess what, every fellowship has one. There are some very amazing people there but the unwell people greatly overshadow the good ones because the unwell ones are some of the sickest in the world because there’s no place else for them to be accepted. So they flock there
I will be going on Christmas day, where they put on a nice lunch, only because I have no one else to spend Christmas with
I plan to just ignore all of the toxic people and rise above it
I will not be there because of any temptation to drink
I will be there because I'm lonely, that's all
Incredible place to be on Christmas! 🎄 those meetings are great and people hang all day. Everybody there on Christmas is always super grateful to be sober and happy to be with a community. The Christmas spirit alive, candy and cookies everywhere. Those are some amazing times. I’m sorry you don’t have anyone to spend it with, the fellowship is such a blessing there
A lot of folks stop. My dad did. He died sober. I learned a lot in recovery . Mainly 2 ppl.
Excellent! My feelings are the same....AA means absolute authority...
There could definitely be more open mindedness and flexibility for sure
Great video! I like the advocacy for responsible marijuana use in recovery.
Hey thanks! I love responsible cannabis use! It’s a privilege to be able to use it given our backgrounds, so rules and structures and boundaries need to be in place. In my opinion. May make a video on weed use in sobriety because I want people to understand it’s a very serious decision to consider using it and there are foundational rules that can’t be broken if you have a history with addiction. Anyhow have a great day
NA is starting to feel better to me
Ive been a few times, glad you found something thats working
Thanks for sharing. I relate and agree with a lot You say. I've been going to AA in and out for almost 3 years. Keep Puffing on the weed, iys helps Me alot aswell ( Slowing down the Mind, Very True), Keep on with Schrooms ( I am due for another ). I'm still sober; As You said, Done is Done! No more booze. Keep Rocking Dude, Looking forward to Your next chat.
Thanks man that’s amazing and super upbeat I love that. Positivity wins! Hey, sounds like your life is moving forward in the right direction, sounds like you’ve recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of body and mind…as they say. I bet if you went to page 52 for a bedevilment check you’re doing well there also. THATS sobriety, people get too hung up on a date or their ego lets them think they know what sobriety should be for the next person, everyone is different. It’s pretty simple: are you happy? Healthy? Working? Loving to others? Paying bills? Have hobbies and passions? Spiritual connection? And the BIGGEST one…can you sit alone and quietly with yourself and no distractions for long chunks of time (20 min+). I love seeing people comeback like you have. Thanks for sharing, enjoy your day!
"The Easy Way To Stop Drinking" - Alan Carr
I’ll check it out 🤙
It’s not for everyone and that’s a fact. I haven’t experienced the negativity you have but it’s your experience and your decision. It works for the folks that really want it. And many people just stop because they really want it. What I get out of it is that I am the black sheep in my family and it’s nice to have fellowship with others who understand. AA can’t get anyone sober. That’s on the individual
Appreciate you sharing your perspective ❤️ 🙌
I was in AA for 10 years never had any problems at all with the fellowship. I dropped out but do owe them my life too. I also do not go to church anymore either.
thats an awesome perspective and amazing way to look at your AA experience I love that positivity. At one point I was living in a homeless shelter with no ID, one pair of pants, no money no friends and no one would talk to me...yet people in AA took me in and people took me to get coffee and food and clothes. Ill never forget those people!
My experience with AA; newcomers aren't welcomed as I was in NA/CA. Traditions, especially 3, isn't honoured where i went.
It was a weekly get together for the oldtimers, but a newcomer was seen as an intruder.
I did NA and CA meetings, worked steps and did the suggested things and have a wonderful life worth living.
The program works, if you work it. But it's a program of complete abstinence.....
Right on, appreciate your share 🤙
Hi there , first of all , love from rio . I'm a recovering drug addict. your video is very inspiring . Hope you are doing well , i truly do . A.a. seem like a dictatorship from what i could gather so far , i'm 38 years old . Anyway , thanks for the inspiration , and the so called " think different " that you offer through your story . Love , peace and prosperity , from rio de janeiro , brazil . Stay safe , stay well . Peace
Hi There from Rio!! Ive always been fascinated by the culture there. My boss was from there back in the day. Thanks for reaching out, glad you enjoyed. love peace and prosperity!!
@VibeWithTrevor same to you brother , if not asking too much , could you offer some talking points about overcoming drinking and smoking ? Anyway stay strong , healthy and safe , peace to you and your loved ones , may 2025 bring recovery for those who seek it , peace
@kadu what’s up! Thanks for watching. I really appreciate the video advice, did you mean smoking cigarettes?
@VibeWithTrevor hello there. Yes , I'm chain smoking and drinking way too much coca cola . I know It sounds like a kid's drink , but alcoholism runs in my family, so I thought I would be better off wich coca cola rather than alcohol . My grandfather was kind like a happy drunk , and he did live to be the age he once said he want it to be , 80 years old. Deep down I know I use this excuse just because I would like to be 101 years old , I'm 38 years old going 39 this year in july . The reason is quite simple. My best friend in high school died early at 19 from an overdose of some stuff that I never really did know from what exactly, and my childhood sweet heart commit suicide also at 19 , she did drink heavily and had severe depression. Sorry for the lengthy message in advance. I'm pre diabetes, who also run in the family, and I know I have to step way from the edge . Any advice would be welcomed. Stay safe out there. Love and peace from rio , kadu engelke
@VibeWithTrevor hello there. Yes I'm chain smoking and drinking way too much coca cola. I know It sounds like a kid's drink , but alcoholism runs in my family, so I tought I would be better off drink coca cola instead. my grandfather was kind like a happy drunk, and he did get to be the age he once said he wanted to be , 80 years old . Deep down i use this excuse to drink , but i know i'm just fooling myself. I'm 38 going 39 this year , and if I have a choice in the matter, I would like to be 101. The reason is quite simple . My best friend in high school died at 19 from an overdose, and my childhood sweet heart commit suicide also at 19 , she had severe depression, and did drink heavily. I'm pre diabetes, that also runs in the family, I know I have to step away from the edge. Sorry in advance for the lengthy message. Some of my heroes are from America, I did visit your great country back in '93 , people like aerosmith , bb king , iggy pop , John frusciante and the likes . I am also a fan of eric clapton , although British born , I think his wife is from the mid West. What those folks seem to have in common is that they did go trough the crap of addiction but did come out on the other side . From my country there's some cool people too , like a musician called roberto carlos , people here call him the king , and a personal local hero of mine is the author named paulo coelho . He was born and raised a walking distance from where I was also born , raised and still live . I think he did sell some 320 millions copies of his books, the most popular, being one called the alchemist . I know you didn't ask any of this , but I entertain the idea of being a film score composer, and these past days an actress from my home town even did win a golden globe for her work in acting . I think her name is fernanda torres . Sorry again to be seem to be abusing your goodwill. I'm just someone who did struggle with drugs in the past , still have some issues with it , but don't really feel like monk living sobriety is what all is there . For my 2 cents , the word balance could solve a lot stuff in life and let people enjoy life without looking for trouble at the same time . Sorry again to be seem to be abusing your patience, I'll let you be . Stay safe out there , that 2025 bring joy and happiness to you and those you care for , peace and love , from rio , kadu engelke
I hear what you’re saying. But for the greater good, Alcoholics Anonymous might be preventing some fatal drunken accidents! Maybe a few? Maybe. But yeah, I hear ya on that, I left AA a while back because I loathed it and had a hard time sustaining friendships in it, and so I just decided to give it a try in my own. Those meetings sometimes can be a shit show 😂😂
Agree with you, anything that prevents death in any form can’t be completely written off
The mean people thing I never ever experienced it
Love that thanks for sharing
I cannot tolerate AA at all. This is music to my ears. I too do the Vivitrol shot and it’s been fantastic. 20 months sober and ZERO AA.
Hey Nicole, very cool channel!! That’s awesome to hear the shot has gone well. That thing is literally life saving. Thanks for sharing
I'm 6 minutes in and I can tell that there is a misunderstanding with Step 1. AA saved my life and I know it's saved many others. I see it at meetings and I hear it in people's stories (I have been to SEVERAL celebrations of people who have been sober for WAY more than just 5 years so I'm not sure where your statistic came from but where I live AA is saving many many lives) I am powerless over alcohol - not powerless over weather I take the first drink - but IF I take the first drink it will trigger the physical allergy and I will continue to drink and then POSSIBLY, if I continue down the alcohol road I could eventually kill myself as this is a progressive dis-ease. I agree that genetics may not be a factor BUT family and societal conditioning does play a huge role in this dis-ease. I watched both my parents drink daily from the time I was born so I grew up thinking it was normal. Not sure why I'm writing this as it sounds like your experience sucked...I guess I want people to know that AA saves lives, if you CHOOSE to look at yourself and make the changes you need to make to ensure that alcohol doesn't kill you.
Beautiful, very well written and well intentioned words thank you for sharing and I’m really glad AA is helping you 🙌
I'm maybe not considered an alcoholic, but I drink and a 61 year old female. I've drunk various amounts at different times in my life, I took myself to rehab around 2013, and it was based around AA. I found many were judgemental, the group I joined when I left rehab weren't open to real heavy drinkers not so well educated, and spoke about those no hopers who were going to be at one of the Christmas meetings and lunch, WTF, what sort of people are they ?? I stopped as I found it very cliquey.
I’m sorry you felt judged. That can happen in there for sure. How’s life for you these days?
I've been in AA a long time and did not have the experience you had.
That’s awesome, sounds like AA makes you feel good, that’s a beautiful thing thanks for sharing 🤙
My final straw was when I told my sponsor I didn’t want to work with him anymore and he blocked me. He has 24 years. I do not want what he has. But I will never forget hearing some old timer calling a black person the N word. I will never forget it.
oh man thats terrible, AA is not a racist program in my experience but of COURSE there will be racist people. Dude I hope someone shut that mfer, that sh*t has no place in AA. Thats hurtful your sponsor blocked you Im sorry that happened, hopefully you can find some humor in it now. Life good for you now?
It's the only outlet where many of these sanctimonious hypocritical well trained lab rats have any semblance of authority. Most of them have never even come close to practicing the 12 steps as they're laid out in their literature. So grateful I'm no longer part of this ruse. My advice to anyone struggling with alcohol is to attend a few AA meetings, for no other reason than you can witness first hand what not to do.
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What happened ? He ask you to actually put pen to paper ? Lol tell the truth ..... Are ya sober today? Most run away out of fear.
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Just want to point out that what works for some, doesnt work for others!
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32 yrs sober and I agree with the trash that's involved with people in AA , the program itself is a great guide to live with principles as life goes on. I am on anti depression medication which helps but doesn't cure . I don't have any desire to use pot or other mood change drugs.
Right on man you def have a solid program for yourself! Appreciate you sharing all that.
sounds to me it worked to help you learn a new way of life. It may not be your permanent solution but it definitely helped you. Hope you have peace and sobriety until you die
Thanks Seth, that’s super kind of you to say. You’re absolutely right and I love the positive outlook thanks for that 🙏 ! AA more than helped me in the beginning…it actually saved my life. If someone is happy in AA and it’s helping them, that’s a beautiful thing
Thanks 🙏🏿 for sharing your experience ❤
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Thank you❤
Hey thank you!!
Great video I agree with most of your views. Sadly I'm not in the best place right now. I just can't bring myself to hear AA talk. I do SAMRT Recovery it helps, SMART will tell you if 12 steps groups can help use them. Yet AA will knock SMART. I also like step 4 and 5. But I feel step 5 should be done with a professional.. I just feel AA could help so many people if they would update the program and The Big Book and I'm not talking about adding new stories.
AA seriously needs to update. They’re missing the opportunity to save lives. They’re about 40 years behind where they should be. I hope they change the bi laws and traditions to accommodate today’s society that doesn’t even resemble American in 1935. Sorry you’re not in the best place man. Ever wanna chat you can find me on the gram @vibewithhumanity
Im reading the comments and I just want to say a couple things. (Why should you listen to me? You probably shouldn’t. But I feel deeply about this.) the message of AA is no longer popular in AA. I sit in AA meetings all day and idk what the fuck anyone is talking about 90 percent of the time. Thank god for my sponsor. You’re praising the 4th and 5th and 9th step. 1 gives you what you need to get through 2. 2to get through 3 (and so on). There’s a LOT of confused moderate and hard drinkers spreading a lot of their personalities and ego. Not the principles and the message. I respect that you have many more years me experience with this stuff so I am trying to be open listening to this. I’m fighting my prejudices and I can do that because hey, the lay aside prayer from Aa is a hell of a thing.
One last thing, my sponsor actually is in the program primarily for weed. He tried meth and could take or leave it. I tripped on that but idk something to think about.
Your ability to be self aware of your prejudices and monitor your own ego is off the charts. That practice is the MOST important thing to staying sober (whatever that means to you) long term. That’s why your comment feels loving and well intentioned not hateful and negative because it’s coming from your spirit with out being polluted by the ego. Amazing man thanks for these words thanks for taking the care to write them that way. Truly. That’s interesting to hear about the AA message being lost. I started seeing that before I left 5 years ago. I hear you on all this, honestly this channel started as a video diary to have fun with I had no idea it was going to get that many views. That was cool to read this from you thank you for sharing
In 4 step I split in two,
Illusion that i lived in and what is actually I should be according HP help.
Every morning I get up and ask myself what I can do to be a good mum to my kids, how I can be productive at my work, who can I help? And that is how I live my life after 12 step program. I don’t chaise “ that “ feeling anymore from outside, it is all within In me! I think you didn’t get the program massage properly. ❤
Love this thank you 🙌
I’ve never ran into that mean spiritedness and sorry you did. Also the opposition to psyche meds is not anything I experienced. I think your emphasis on the worth of certain Steps is accurate.
One great AA speaker Mark H mentions Tolle and a specific path I think you’d appreciate.
Side note- Bill W was an advocate for LSD as a therapeutic
That’s awesome thanks for the suggestion! 🙌 🙏
Mushrooms? I used to pick them and use them back in the 80’s good for a while then a firm of psychosis kicked in. I’ve worked in mental health for 22 years and I’m also a recovering alcoholic. As for AA. There is always good and bad everywhere to the one united effort is to stay sober. Hope the mushrooms dont take you down the mind road they took me and others .. eventually. Take care Buddy. Mark ( UK)🙏👍
What’s up UK! Thanks for the kind words, Mark, and the warning, I appreciate it. You’re right, staying grounded on mushrooms is key. Years ago, I took them too often for my physiology (about once a week), and it led to mild psychosis. I started thinking the “universe” was talking to me all the time, got obsessed with energies and frequencies, and got really confused about spirituality - like, what is God? Am I God? Is God an energy?
Thankfully, I noticed what was happening, stop taking them, and those thought patterns went away. Now I just eat them a couple of times a year. They can be confusing, but for me, the compassion, empathy, and spiritual growth I’ve gained make it worth it. So you can just pick them right from the ground there?!? Boy that would be tempting 😂. Appreciate the input my man!
Staying is to help the newcomer n encourage the old timer.
Love this, beautiful 🙏
Good luck bud, god bless.
Thanks man appreciate that 🤙
Meetings & no Step work is just coffee & bullsh*t 😀 God speed 🙏
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Percentage rate of recovery in AA is a meaningless statistic. AA, despite what people in meetings say, doesn't purport to stop a person from drinking. In fact it suggests you keep drinking if you have any doubts. AA, instead, makes a proposition to alcoholics who are ready to put drinking behind them.
The 12 steps are a path to recognizing and changing behaviours that prevent you from enjoying a responsible, contented life without alcohol. You don't need to parse the directions in the steps you just need to comprehend the principles. Whether you believe in god or not - I'm an atheist - the first 3 steps are about honestly acknowledging that you can't control your drinking and that you need help. From 4-7 is about taking a look inward to discover maladaptive coping mechanisms, self defeating behaviours that can be corrected. 8-10 are about getting right with others in your life. 11 doesn't have a great deal of meaning for me but, as a musician, I do meditate on certain exercises I rehearse each day. And 12 is the one that says "get on with your life living it charitably and according to the principles you've learned from doing the previous steps".
It's easy to badmouth AA, I've done it a lot myself, tossing the whole thing aside when there's much to recommend it. It's not the only game in town and I admire and respect people who seek to find new ways to contented abstinence, but for some people it is a safe and supportive place where they can learn to re-socialize and play well with others. But it won't get you sober and it doesn't promise that.
Beautifully written, loved it. thank you for sharing 🙌
What ever suits you pal
I'm AA all the way
thanks for sharing, glad to hear its working keep it up! :)
Thank❤you
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This is how EVERYONE in Spanish AA feels like. That’s why I quit and just stick to TH-cam talks and reading blue book or scripture.
Interesting. ¡no bueno! Where are you located?
@ Dallas tx
Nice!
I'm a real alcoholic and it works if you work it. If you don't nothing happens. No one should have told you that "everything will work out for you" because they can't know that.
Very true thanks for sharing!! 🙌
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Yes, I’m always in and out of AA because I always feel uncomfortable. Maybe because I be the only young black girl there with a bunch of old white men & women and I don’t find it motivating it actually makes me want to drink more lol Also I see how you keep apologizing in the video you don’t have to do that. What you are saying makes perfect sense.
Appreciate that, people deep in AA that have let themselves fully adopt and be engulfed in that dogma are going to feel very threatened by these ideas so I kept trying to apologize to keep things calm. I def struggle with guilt from this video because I know it rubbed some people wrong. Not meaning to, it’s just my experience. I could see how you’d feel out of place there for sure. How’s everything for you now?
@@VibeWithTrevor I went yesterday and rushed out after the prayer. It’s not for me I just need to be stronger and understand that it’s mind over matter.
Dude, I’ve been there so many times. I’ve even rushed out mid prayer 😂. I’m glad to hear you went back to see if there was anything there, maybe someday the right meeting will find YOU. I agree that mind over matter is a MUCH bigger part of not drinking than we are led to believe in AA. Keep trying new things, something is gonna click. Thanks for sharing here I appreciate you .
@@VibeWithTrevor wait! Not mid prayer 😂 I’ve rushed out while they were handing out the coins one time, but there is one AA group I would go to all the time before I moved and they seemed a bit more positive at that one. I just moved so I don’t go anymore, but still they have moments were I feel like im hearing a lot of negatives in ppl stories and I don’t like how they often call themselves demeaning names like “pieces of shits, addicts for life, sick people.” I just don’t identify with those words. The world beats us up enough im not going to help them. Also I don’t totally believe in contacting people you’ve hurt to try and make amends. I believe in showing people that you are better by just simply doing better. Not everyone from our past deserve to see the new and improved us bc some of those ppl contributed to our substance abuse. I know AA don’t want us to believe that, but I know my life and I know the triggers that lead me to that liquor store everyday and if I didn’t deal with half of the ppl I dealt with I probably wouldn’t have been drinking so heavy.
I’m with you, we should not be saying bad things to ourselves. Love your positive attitude even when talking about negative things
So in a nutshell you made a video about how working on yourself possibly added decades to your life to let us know you are now leaving. Why didn't you just name the video " I left AA to do my own thing, smoke pot and eat shrooms"?
That’s actually super catchy, funny, and accurate to the video. Well done 🙌
Dude, sick channel!! Just sub’d. Thanks for stopping by 🤙
@@VibeWithTrevor be careful.
Be careful of what? I’m confused
Be careful on the slippery slope bro. I thought AA was born of a psychedelic experience.
No offense but in the first minute you mentioned so much stuff that wasn't AA but you attributed it to it. Then you went on to say addiction has nothing to do with genes,it absolutely does and has been proven. You're also not sober and come across full of resentment. The success rate for AA is between 50-70% for the people that do it,most dont do it so should be dismissed same with anyone court ordered not to mention the non alcoholic drug addicts that attend like yourself, they're in the wrong place to begin with. 90 meetings in 90.days isn't AA and Ive never met a single alcoholic that chooses or wants to be that way. Good luck on your journey
Love this!!!! My thoughts, hi I'm Kerry I'm an alcoholic???? No hi I'm kerry and wvery day I grateful for..... our word is our wand!!
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Also. They are liars period.
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How can you be sober when your still going to a dealer....
I recorded this months ago so I can’t remember what part you’re referring to my bad
The message you received in your meetings is not associated with AA. If it's not in the Big Book, it's not AA. If you actually read the book, it's all about hope.
Additionally, the only reason the success rates have fallen is because people think it's a place to come dump their problems and share their opinions. If you actually do what the book says, it's 100% that you'll recover.
Overall, I'm sad that was your experience but it sound like bad meetings and others opinions drove you out, not AA.
I appreciate your perspective thanks for sharing 🙌
Excuse me, no. It was in fact AA that drove them out. If I asked 10 random people on the street "what do you picture in your head when I say the words 'AA'" you're most likely going to find 8 or 9 out of 10 people would say, "Oh yea, those meetings in church basements with folding chairs and bad coffee?". Lol, it's part of the damn fabric of our culture that AA is about the meetings. If somebody gets court ordered to go to AA, they aren't sentenced to be able to go in a room by themselves and study the almighty big book by themselves and ..ponder its magnificence and complete genius and completely non sexist and overly obvious Christian religious understandings of God..... ..... Just sayin. Anyway, yea, that doesn't happen. They go to the meetings. Which almost all are chocked full of arrogant, wife beating, narcissistic douchebags. Combine this with the convenient, lazy, pandering nature of AA, complete with fake emotions and concern for others, and you have smart people like myself eventually getting the hint and running for the hills. I am selfish enough, thank you. Why would I go to an environment where that side of me would be encouraged in any way? Just the attention seeking aspect I observed and became part of, it makes me wanna throw up. So I stand up and announce to a room of strangers that I've reached 6 months of sobriety. And? Why does the amount of time matter? Old Bob over there who's been going to the meeting for 40 years, he could secretly be a serial killer and cutting people up and shit for all I know. But because he's got 40 years, oh yea, he knows a thing or 2, he can show ya. Time Sober = BETTER NO MATTER WHAT and psychologically speaking, focusing on time sober, with chips and what not, don't even fucking get me started. This is kids stuff. This is Recovery for Dummies. This is adult children whos lives went a bit off the rails crave attention and validate themselves and make themselves feel like they care and give a shit about anyone else. They still don't, and their "support" for you immediately shuts off if you question the program, etc. is equally terrible, but I digress. Yea, don't go. Don't get caught up. It's such bullshit and our society deserves better than for intelligent people to be subject to this crap. Especially with propaganda saying it's still the best game in town for treating the "disease" of addiction. Yes, a disease so terrible that you can be told you have it without having a Medical Doctors diagnosis. Oh, but it's more of a Spiritual Malady! Ok fine, but you can't have it both ways then. Don't fill our medical field and counselors, psychiatrists, etc. with quacks who will tell you the best thing to do is go to a meeting. I have no problem saying this, AA can go fuck itself. This nonsense is what created this current climate where we have morons at all levels doing AA lip service just to get more people coming through the doors. It's sickening. If it is indeed a real medical disease, then treat it like a real god damn disease. But pick one. The problem can't be medical, just to have the solution be the nonsense, half assed, pandering lazy bit of crap that is AAs ideas.
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Around 7 min. I would rather be dependent on AA than the dealers. Ya, I never want to forget being desperate n afraid of dying, homeless, addicted.
It's a way to be social w folks who don't want to drink n drug.
yep, AA meetings beat drinking and drugging thats for sure! And you can find amazing community in AA, thanks for sharing
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Alcoholism and Addiction are NOT THE SAME.. IF THEY WERE COCAINE AND HEROINE WOULD BE LEGAL..
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So Wright your own big book, you poor think. The addiction never left you. And you would need to do the steps before you can help someone else.
I find it highly unlikely that you had sponsored "thousands" of people in AA. Let's assume what you claim is true. You sponsored thousands of people during your time in AA and were successful in getting one person through the 12 steps. Great, I hope that person was able to stay sober after your sponsorship.
So, one success and thousands of failures. I wonder, what, or who, was the common denominator in all of those failures?
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Your killing people with your voice
I desperately needed to hear that. I have been haunted by shame the outdated AA has made it worse for me. That is just my experience. This helped me in many other way as well but I do thank you it was an a torn place.
Thank you!