The numbers are just part of the story. Every time someone brings up LeBron in the finals I’ll think of Jason Terry launching in the face of a much taller LeBron. No fear. Just nylon. String. 3.
Congrats 👏🏾👏🏾 Shoutout to you on 2K subs. I remember you hit 1K an that was not long ago so the channel definitely growing. An shoutout to all fellas who always here. #Factsgang
Thanks my man, I really do look at it as OUR channel and why I hate trolls coming thru our little channel. Just leave us alone, go to Gils Arena or Nick Wrights bullshit podcast
@@NBAFactsSelfResearchedThank You, respect for saying ours. I myself always tell people come check you out I seen a few guys do that too because it's a matter of facts an like you said you said we can't even have our little space without the haters club invasion. I can't stand them either I'm with you 100% they don't respect actual facts they rather denigrate an destroy the entire history of the sport an turn LeBron James into a sympathetic figure an then want us to just understand how he's been a victim in his 64-59 conference finals/finals record. LeBron fans aka the haters club the only fanbase in sports that hate the history of the sport. Whoever accomplished an won more than LeBron they have to discredit they can't even refute that's why they prefer rewriting history. Thanks again Bro 👍🏾
great stuff my man..in 1962 finals game 7 frank selvey took the shot at the buzzer to win the title for the lakers and it barely rolled out, the 60s lakers were always very close to winning and very competitive
This channel amazing. I'm in the Bronx so every morning I come on my stoop with my coffee ☕ an my daily facts with Yankee stadium 🏟️ down the street. Got my view, my brew, an daily facts 😤
I’d love to see this for Bird, Magic, MJ, ect. I think this would help debunk the narrative that Jordan had no finals competition. Especially 1998, when barring the game 3 blowout, the other 5 games were decided by 5 points or less.
Yeah you as well. And yes it's for everyone. I especially think that a small channel like this one is even more so for a small group of people that isn't corrupted and the subscribers play a key roll with the comments and interaction. Thanks for all your support
@ Yep I agree, After I watched this video I was thinking that maybe Elgin and Jerry should be in the goat convo as well. I mean why not since Lebron isn’t particularly close to MJ as far as that convo goes anyways. But more importantly that’s insane information.
The funny thing is that LeBron is one of the greatest players ever and if he was happy to be that and never tried to change the narrative for him to become the GOAT, there'd be far more appreciation of him by "old-timers". However, once he claimed he was the GOAT after being the Warriors in 2016, he opened the door to criticism himself and then he remained on that path. It's a history lesson for people - be grateful for what you're given and don't try to claim to be something you're not otherwise you'll fall in the eyes of the truth...eventually.
If LeBron had kept his mouth shut, he definitely wouldn't have gotten anywhere close to the backlash he gets. However, a lot of us "Old Timers" will ALWAYS see LeBron's constant carrying, traveling, offensive fouling, and frequently turning over the ball as BAD basketball, and we will ALWAYS believe that good shooting matters, that good footwork on offense and defense matters, that AT A MINIMUM always hustling on defense matters, and that coming up big in "clutch" situations matters. As LeBron is lacking in all these areas, a lot of us will NEVER view LeBron as "one of the greatest players ever". His fundamentals are poor and his skill set is basically limited to being "Big and Athletic". Now yes, us "Old Timers" probably don't pick apart LeBron's rings and accolades nearly as much if he never calls himself the GOAT. But a lot of us will NEVER consider LeBron even a top 50 player in NBA history because his games fails the "Eye Test". There have been a lot players who play basketball better than LeBron while NOT being given the benefit of having defense eliminated from the game and refs forgetting the basic rules of basketball while officiating them. Nobody from my generation is saying "A SPECTACULAR MOVE" when we see LeBron travel and carry as he does his usual "Barge and Charge" to the basket. There's nothing "great" about that, IMO.
If LeBozo had Tim Duncan’s personality then he’d probably have more rings, the rings would actually be legit, and no one would hate him. And he’d actually be in the “GOAT”/“top 5 ever” conversation
@labynoe lol I'm 32 and it's not even close imo. Mj is just levels above everyone else in this sport. I literally had a debate with this kid last night all he can do is throw out longevity stats I brought up numerous instances and shortcomings, also to mention this person had the nerve to say that curry is in some people's top 5 all time lol never heard that one that was a first. But in all lebron fans can't win a debate his high turnovers should be more if the officials were actually competent and called the game correctly. They really try to diminish the 90s like they weren't athletic or no 40 inch verts argument which is just stupid, mugsy had a 44 inch vert and he is the shortest player to ever play
@ just compare the physiques of David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Alonzo Mourning to Nikola Jokic, Victor Wembanyama, and Rudy Gobert and then try to convince me today’s players are more athletic. Or Michael Jordan to Luka Doncic. Scottie Pippen to James Harden. Karl Malone to LeBron James. I think the average NBA player fitness level was WAY HIGHER in the 1990s than it is today. Probably because back then dudes were required to play hard on BOTH offense and defense.
You will never understand trolls because your content is for real. 2. Trolls are either paid or fanatical on what they say or post, facts would no longer penetrate their mind even if they know it's the truth keep up the good work. 3. Wise men listen to facts, trolls and lebron fans are boys that have not gotten past puberty 😂
Manu Ginobilli also missed a free throw that could have sealed the game and the series. The Spurs still had about 5 seconds left in regulation and Bosh did foul Green on his corner 3 attempt but got away with it because of his superstar status I think another reason LeBron needs super teams.
LeBron also had flagrant foul on Draymond Green in the 2016 finals that prompted Draymond to crash out and kick LeBron which led to to Draymond getting suspended. LeBron has always been a dirty player that gets away with murder, which is insane because for him to have only 4 titles with the referees and the NBA favoring him every single year truly shows how lackluster and how much of a playoff choker and loser he truly is
Great video as always; your analyses are truly insightful. I can’t imagine how much time you invest in this research, hours upon hours. Thank you for your dedication; it’s incredibly educational. Regarding the debate, it seems we’re still at a point where, if they win, it’s attributed to LeBron James’s IQ and leadership. If they lose, they say it’s a team effort and the blame falls on others! For MJ is the opposite , when Michael Jordan won titles, it a team effort and was credited to Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson presence, when they lost vs Detroit or Boston in the 80s they say it’s it Jordan’s fault as he was not as good as a leader. I hope you will go on with your channel many many years trying to destroy this kind of narratives which are actually the main reason why people like you started TH-cam channels cause you are tired of this double standards which are completely unfair and lack so much context that is unbelievable!
I appreciate it. Sometimes it does take a little while, some not so bad. But I enjoy it, and the fact that there are old school NBA fans out there like yourself, makes it all worth it
I've had this thought for a while. Now, Im a huge Larry Bird fan, I enjoy watching videos of other players talk about him and how he used to get in peoples heads, how intelligent he was on the court, and I'll tell ya, I think LeQuit was secretly trying to embody Bird more so than MJ. After the recent Paris Olympics when LeQuit was on his way to flaunt his ego in an upscale Parisian restaurant, some young kid came up to him and wanted to congratulate him, what does he say to his young fan "dont do that, dont do that", what was one of Larry's quotes when trash talking on court? "dont do that, dont do that". ESPN crowned lequeen as a basketball savant, well, NBC reporters were calling Bird the basketball savant. Bird was an amazing passer for a guy his size, and whats the main operating principle for lequit not taking the last second shot? he's a pass first guy. The stories go on and on. But they chose MJ as the victim cause MJ was more marketbale and flashy, Bird didnt fit the bill, plus comparing him to Bird wouldn't get a rise out of people like it does with MJ. They KNOW MJ is leaps and bounds above lequit. Anyway, thats my thoughts on that, great video, you're very passionate about your meticulous research for your videos. You're a calm version of Angry Old Hoops Fan, if you dont know who he is, well, he does a discussion panel with MJFB on sundays.
Thanks my man, yeah I know AOH, he's the one who told me I should get a video team because he likes my channel, but I settled for the white board. Not sure if you realize it but the belt in my backdrop is Michaeljordanfansarethebest logo for winning his 1st debate league
And finally LeBron James is not the goat period he is just a great player who has played longer than all of the all time greats simple and playing longer doesn't make you better and that's what the fan boys don't seem to understand or maybe they play as though they don't want to understand which is it you tell me
Glad ur appreciative. But u gotta think about it. 2K subs... 2 thousand ppl is a whole heck of a lot of humans lol ur literally speaking to a filled section of an arena.
@MadDogBam actually the pace favors the Lakers in the 60s and were still somehow more competitive on a point per game basis, missing Baylor in 1 of the Finals and a 33 win team without West in the other against the biggest juggernaut the NBA has ever seen. Thats the context. And Boston was the #1 rated defense in every Finals except 1968 when they were 2nd. And 1970 Knicks were also #1 defense
Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever however in 98 the jazz had a Howard isley 3 taken away and harper has a 3 that was a 2 on replay and the bulls won by a point so just saying things happen in games that determines the outcome
Yea Isley's long 3 should have been counted because he hit it before the buzzer. But it just is what it is. That still doesn't take away from the fact that had MJ not stolen the ball from Malone and hit that game winner, Jazz still win and force a Game 7......where they probably would have won the whole series because Pippen was done physically with his back, Rodman was a constant issue and MJ was fried.
In the LeBron vs Jordan I always think Of “how many finals MVP trophies went to the dude that specifically shut down LeBron” One went to a not quite peak Kawhi. One went to a just a bit past their peak Iggy. Neither was wow in those specific series. Iggy may make the HOF just because of that, otherwise he’s just a very good journeyman 3rd option. Jordan went to 6 finals. Could you imagine if 1/3 of his trips were “watching the dude shutting him down smile with hardware in his hand”. LeBron having that for 20% of his finals appearances?
Why I love your channel is you provide NBA researched facts that cannot be disputed. I'm including a link where a guy is making a point for LeBron shooting 2,000 less than Jordan in 15 years. To validate LeBron's scoring records. Without doing a deep dive in taking in facts such as teammates shot average, 3-pointers, weaker defensive era, etc. th-cam.com/video/1SeyXZ5A-xU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8ElrJQnzFtK_E1GH
The numbers are just part of the story. Every time someone brings up LeBron in the finals I’ll think of Jason Terry launching in the face of a much taller LeBron. No fear. Just nylon. String. 3.
@@biffbobfred A veteran team with Hall of Famers well after their primes, and Dirk at his tail end, beating 3 prime Hall of Famers.
Congrats 👏🏾👏🏾 Shoutout to you on 2K subs. I remember you hit 1K an that was not long ago so the channel definitely growing. An shoutout to all fellas who always here. #Factsgang
Thanks my man, I really do look at it as OUR channel and why I hate trolls coming thru our little channel. Just leave us alone, go to Gils Arena or Nick Wrights bullshit podcast
@@NBAFactsSelfResearchedThank You, respect for saying ours. I myself always tell people come check you out I seen a few guys do that too because it's a matter of facts an like you said you said we can't even have our little space without the haters club invasion. I can't stand them either I'm with you 100% they don't respect actual facts they rather denigrate an destroy the entire history of the sport an turn LeBron James into a sympathetic figure an then want us to just understand how he's been a victim in his 64-59 conference finals/finals record. LeBron fans aka the haters club the only fanbase in sports that hate the history of the sport. Whoever accomplished an won more than LeBron they have to discredit they can't even refute that's why they prefer rewriting history. Thanks again Bro 👍🏾
Great content. Congrats on your 2k followers. I see more trolls in the comments as your channel grows
Thanks my man, I wish they would leave us alone and our small channel in peace
great stuff my man..in 1962 finals game 7 frank selvey took the shot at the buzzer to win the title for the lakers and it barely rolled out, the 60s lakers were always very close to winning and very competitive
Right, and this against this team that was LOADED with HOF’ers as we are always reminded
Thank you good sir for all your efforts in educating the sheeps
Thanks my man, I sure do appreciate it!
This channel amazing. I'm in the Bronx so every morning I come on my stoop with my coffee ☕ an my daily facts with Yankee stadium 🏟️ down the street. Got my view, my brew, an daily facts 😤
@@NBAFactsSelfResearched keep it going. We're all here for it
I’d love to see this for Bird, Magic, MJ, ect. I think this would help debunk the narrative that Jordan had no finals competition. Especially 1998, when barring the game 3 blowout, the other 5 games were decided by 5 points or less.
What Utah did to the franchises that would win 7 of the next 9 championships was pretty impressive
Always good content and different from all the other you tuber's in-depth analysis thanks and keep going and yes Michael Jordan is the best
Thank you very much for your continued support!
The cool thing about TH-cam is it’s for everyone. Have a good weekend man.
Yeah you as well. And yes it's for everyone. I especially think that a small channel like this one is even more so for a small group of people that isn't corrupted and the subscribers play a key roll with the comments and interaction. Thanks for all your support
@ Yep I agree, After I watched this video I was thinking that maybe Elgin and Jerry should be in the goat convo as well. I mean why not since Lebron isn’t particularly close to MJ as far as that convo goes anyways. But more importantly that’s insane information.
@ I mean Sports N Fitness Rants has been on TH-cam for awhile too. Its awesome to see small channels thrive after starting from scratch.
I didn't realize LeBron had 2 titles from shortened seasons. More fuel against LeBron lovers.
Yep 2012 and 2020, and he was outscored in 7 of them total points
didn't LeBron struggle in the first 3 games of the 2013 finals?
LeBron also has only played 82 games once in 22 years.
Thanks!
Thank you so much. I appreciate it very much. Your support means a lot!
Really like the channel. Excellent job breaking down the team differentials
Thanks my man, appreciate it!
This is a great video and I appreciate the context about the pace, says so much
The funny thing is that LeBron is one of the greatest players ever and if he was happy to be that and never tried to change the narrative for him to become the GOAT, there'd be far more appreciation of him by "old-timers". However, once he claimed he was the GOAT after being the Warriors in 2016, he opened the door to criticism himself and then he remained on that path. It's a history lesson for people - be grateful for what you're given and don't try to claim to be something you're not otherwise you'll fall in the eyes of the truth...eventually.
If LeBron had kept his mouth shut, he definitely wouldn't have gotten anywhere close to the backlash he gets. However, a lot of us "Old Timers" will ALWAYS see LeBron's constant carrying, traveling, offensive fouling, and frequently turning over the ball as BAD basketball, and we will ALWAYS believe that good shooting matters, that good footwork on offense and defense matters, that AT A MINIMUM always hustling on defense matters, and that coming up big in "clutch" situations matters. As LeBron is lacking in all these areas, a lot of us will NEVER view LeBron as "one of the greatest players ever". His fundamentals are poor and his skill set is basically limited to being "Big and Athletic".
Now yes, us "Old Timers" probably don't pick apart LeBron's rings and accolades nearly as much if he never calls himself the GOAT. But a lot of us will NEVER consider LeBron even a top 50 player in NBA history because his games fails the "Eye Test". There have been a lot players who play basketball better than LeBron while NOT being given the benefit of having defense eliminated from the game and refs forgetting the basic rules of basketball while officiating them. Nobody from my generation is saying "A SPECTACULAR MOVE" when we see LeBron travel and carry as he does his usual "Barge and Charge" to the basket. There's nothing "great" about that, IMO.
If LeBozo had Tim Duncan’s personality then he’d probably have more rings, the rings would actually be legit, and no one would hate him. And he’d actually be in the “GOAT”/“top 5 ever” conversation
@NewNormalWorldOrder if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
@labynoe lol I'm 32 and it's not even close imo. Mj is just levels above everyone else in this sport. I literally had a debate with this kid last night all he can do is throw out longevity stats I brought up numerous instances and shortcomings, also to mention this person had the nerve to say that curry is in some people's top 5 all time lol never heard that one that was a first. But in all lebron fans can't win a debate his high turnovers should be more if the officials were actually competent and called the game correctly. They really try to diminish the 90s like they weren't athletic or no 40 inch verts argument which is just stupid, mugsy had a 44 inch vert and he is the shortest player to ever play
@ just compare the physiques of David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Alonzo Mourning to Nikola Jokic, Victor Wembanyama, and Rudy Gobert and then try to convince me today’s players are more athletic. Or Michael Jordan to Luka Doncic. Scottie Pippen to James Harden. Karl Malone to LeBron James. I think the average NBA player fitness level was WAY HIGHER in the 1990s than it is today. Probably because back then dudes were required to play hard on BOTH offense and defense.
You will never understand trolls because your content is for real.
2. Trolls are either paid or fanatical on what they say or post, facts would no longer penetrate their mind even if they know it's the truth keep up the good work.
3. Wise men listen to facts, trolls and lebron fans are boys that have not gotten past puberty 😂
Manu Ginobilli also missed a free throw that could have sealed the game and the series. The Spurs still had about 5 seconds left in regulation and Bosh did foul Green on his corner 3 attempt but got away with it because of his superstar status I think another reason LeBron needs super teams.
LeBron also had flagrant foul on Draymond Green in the 2016 finals that prompted Draymond to crash out and kick LeBron which led to to Draymond getting suspended. LeBron has always been a dirty player that gets away with murder, which is insane because for him to have only 4 titles with the referees and the NBA favoring him every single year truly shows how lackluster and how much of a playoff choker and loser he truly is
Great video as always; your analyses are truly insightful. I can’t imagine how much time you invest in this research, hours upon hours. Thank you for your dedication; it’s incredibly educational.
Regarding the debate, it seems we’re still at a point where, if they win, it’s attributed to LeBron James’s IQ and leadership. If they lose, they say it’s a team effort and the blame falls on others!
For MJ is the opposite , when Michael Jordan won titles, it a team effort and was credited to Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson presence, when they lost vs Detroit or Boston in the 80s they say it’s it Jordan’s fault as he was not as good as a leader.
I hope you will go on with your channel many many years trying to destroy this kind of narratives which are actually the main reason why people like you started TH-cam channels cause you are tired of this double standards which are completely unfair and lack so much context that is unbelievable!
I appreciate it. Sometimes it does take a little while, some not so bad. But I enjoy it, and the fact that there are old school NBA fans out there like yourself, makes it all worth it
I've had this thought for a while. Now, Im a huge Larry Bird fan, I enjoy watching videos of other players talk about him and how he used to get in peoples heads, how intelligent he was on the court, and I'll tell ya, I think LeQuit was secretly trying to embody Bird more so than MJ. After the recent Paris Olympics when LeQuit was on his way to flaunt his ego in an upscale Parisian restaurant, some young kid came up to him and wanted to congratulate him, what does he say to his young fan "dont do that, dont do that", what was one of Larry's quotes when trash talking on court? "dont do that, dont do that". ESPN crowned lequeen as a basketball savant, well, NBC reporters were calling Bird the basketball savant. Bird was an amazing passer for a guy his size, and whats the main operating principle for lequit not taking the last second shot? he's a pass first guy. The stories go on and on. But they chose MJ as the victim cause MJ was more marketbale and flashy, Bird didnt fit the bill, plus comparing him to Bird wouldn't get a rise out of people like it does with MJ. They KNOW MJ is leaps and bounds above lequit.
Anyway, thats my thoughts on that, great video, you're very passionate about your meticulous research for your videos. You're a calm version of Angry Old Hoops Fan, if you dont know who he is, well, he does a discussion panel with MJFB on sundays.
Thanks my man, yeah I know AOH, he's the one who told me I should get a video team because he likes my channel, but I settled for the white board. Not sure if you realize it but the belt in my backdrop is Michaeljordanfansarethebest logo for winning his 1st debate league
@@NBAFactsSelfResearched thats cool man!👌AOH is the bomb! Watch all of his videos, I try to watch the sunday live show, not always able to
And finally LeBron James is not the goat period he is just a great player who has played longer than all of the all time greats simple and playing longer doesn't make you better and that's what the fan boys don't seem to understand or maybe they play as though they don't want to understand which is it you tell me
A great player that cannot dribble shoot or make a layup without travelling or committing an offensive foul. No.
@@DsLmaNiaC a power forward who can’t post up.
lebron had to run to Hakeem olajuwan to improve his skills and his game
Longevity still isn't impressive knowing he's on PEDs.
Too bad jimmyhighroller caved and took his video down about it.
It was Frank Selvy that missed the shot in the 62 finals
Glad ur appreciative. But u gotta think about it. 2K subs... 2 thousand ppl is a whole heck of a lot of humans lol ur literally speaking to a filled section of an arena.
lebron is not the GOAT, he is the BLOAT - The Biggest Loser Of All Time.
so there is no context on this one? How about the pace? the level of competition? the 3 point shot?
@MadDogBam actually the pace favors the Lakers in the 60s and were still somehow more competitive on a point per game basis, missing Baylor in 1 of the Finals and a 33 win team without West in the other against the biggest juggernaut the NBA has ever seen. Thats the context. And Boston was the #1 rated defense in every Finals except 1968 when they were 2nd. And 1970 Knicks were also #1 defense
You play in the era that you are in. Losing 115-100 is no different than losing 90-75 as the difference is the same.
You also have to take into account the game is played differently today just checking
The game is easier today.
Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever however in 98 the jazz had a Howard isley 3 taken away and harper has a 3 that was a 2 on replay and the bulls won by a point so just saying things happen in games that determines the outcome
Yea Isley's long 3 should have been counted because he hit it before the buzzer. But it just is what it is. That still doesn't take away from the fact that had MJ not stolen the ball from Malone and hit that game winner, Jazz still win and force a Game 7......where they probably would have won the whole series because Pippen was done physically with his back, Rodman was a constant issue and MJ was fried.
Kobe's 5 out of 7
Jordan 6 of 6
Curry 4 of 6
Duncan 5 of 6
Durant 2 of 3
Lebron 4 of 10
Shaq 4 of 6
In the LeBron vs Jordan I always think
Of “how many finals MVP trophies went to the dude that specifically shut down LeBron”
One went to a not quite peak Kawhi. One went to a just a bit past their peak Iggy. Neither was wow in those specific series. Iggy may make the HOF just because of that, otherwise he’s just a very good journeyman 3rd option.
Jordan went to 6 finals. Could you imagine if 1/3 of his trips were “watching the dude shutting him down smile with hardware in his hand”. LeBron having that for 20% of his finals appearances?
Why I love your channel is you provide NBA researched facts that cannot be disputed. I'm including a link where a guy is making a point for LeBron shooting 2,000 less than Jordan in 15 years. To validate LeBron's scoring records. Without doing a deep dive in taking in facts such as teammates shot average, 3-pointers, weaker defensive era, etc. th-cam.com/video/1SeyXZ5A-xU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8ElrJQnzFtK_E1GH
Thanks my man I appreciate that. LeBron shoots 40% of his shots within 3 feet and Jordan shot about half around 20%. Thats all you need to know.