And this will continue, in Idaho and other states. There will be even larger maternal care deserts than there already are in this country. The women who can't "just move" will be the ones who pay for this injustice. And it won't be just doctors moving. What woman who has a choice in the matter will choose to work and live in a state that treats her as less than human? The coming brain drain will leave these Red states sorely lacking qualified workers in many professions.
@@jesuscaresaboutyou100 Do you allow that among the billions of literate people currently living there are many who hold some other literary source to be as valuable as the Bible is to you?
@@jesuscaresaboutyou100I don't believe in your god. So what your book says means absolutely nothing to me and has no business anywhere in politics, period.
Who is the “they” that you are talking about. I am pro-life and support child services. My wife and daughter are prolife and volunteer for child care and nutritional services. I know many pro-life people that contribute to society in many ways. So, who are you referring to exactly?
There are stories coming out of women denied care while going through a miscarriage losing their ability to have children because care was postponed while waiting to make sure the fetus was completely dead (sometimes until the point where it is decomposing and causing sepsis). At that point, the physical and mental care of that woman is at risk. Who wants to walk around knowing you are a tomb with legs for your dead child?
@@TheFrenchiest “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
@jesuscaresaboutyou100 By replying to her with this nonsense, you are ignoring the fact that she's talking about someone who became sterile due to an untreated miscarriage, which is what can happen today with the same delayed care. You can't even advocate for what you believe in properly.
I knew this was coming. People playing God. There is a reason why we have doctors helping families make these hard decisions and not our political leaders.
I'm a nurse practitioner and put my APRN and RN licenses on inactive status after all the abortion nonsense last year. Texas, Louisiana, and all these other regressive states are going to have a high cost to pay when the RNs and MDs leave.
Your a medical professional that won’t practice health care in a state that restricts termination of life for the unborn? That is about as ironic as it gets.
@@ianalan4367 if they're "unborn" you're "predead". It's sounds silly, because it is an uneducated term to call a fetus or zygote. Using an unwilling body for the survival of who the government deemed more worthy is the opposite of freedom. The reailty is you'd be livid if anyone used your body against your will. Practicing hypocrisy is not admirable.
@@ianalan4367 "Your a medical professional that won’t practice health care in a state that restricts termination of life for the unborn?" When not only your career, but also your freedom is at risk simply from giving necessary care to a mother whose child is completely non viable yet must be delivered due to the states laws it loses any claim to being 'healthcare' anymore. Don't talk about subjects you clearly know nothing about beyond what your pastor beats you over the head with every sunday.
"What needs to be at risk before a doctor is allowed to intervene? Her heart? Her lungs?" This and the simultaneous removal of access to family planning services like contraception and sex education in these states is adding further harm to women and girls.
@@ianalan4367 If f.e. there is a rupture and the woman is dialated losing liquid ( not from the US ) the chances of survival for a baby under 20 weeks is 0%. It will die inside of her slowly, removing the baby will k*ll it as well. So instead of helping a mother out in such a situation you wait until the baby is dead inside of her and she becomes septic because the corpse is starting to decompose? Really? That is inhumane and cruel. 20% of women even with the best care die in these circumstances. Of the ones surviving 50% become infertile. Not to mention the trauma of knowing your child is slowly suffering to death inside of you and then waiting till you get septic knowing you might die from it leaving your husband behind who might not only loose his child, but also his beloved wife. If you think any of this is fine, you have a very cold and cruel heart.
danika9411 - That is a horrid situation be there no doubt. I support the exception for a mothers life in these situations that are in every abortion law we have. You see our civil rights state that we do have the right to take a human life if we must do so to protect our own. This, plus impregnation by rape account for around 2% of all abortions performed. Are you against the other 98% then?
@@ianalan4367 If your country has these laws why didn't they make it clearer so that if there is f.e. a rupture and liquid leaking under 23 weeks that an abortion is possible BEFORE the child dies or the mother becomes septic? They made laws without understanding anything. I'm not from the US and I'm not very religious. I believe that religion is a private matter that should always be separated from the government and it is a complete no go to bring any religious values into law making. Most religion say "I'm the true religion and my values are the right ones". I think no religion is the true religion, that they were made up by people to explain the world to them. So basically the bible is a fantasy book to me. These bans happen in mostly religious places where people try to enforce ruled from a fantasy book onto others because their almighty invisible friend told them so..... I would let doctors, scientists and people who know things as well as possible ( science is evolving ) sit together and talk about what is ethical. In an ethical discussion belongs control over another human beings bid as well as not causing pain and suffering. Then look at the findings and see what is the most ethical way to go about it. Because there is a conflict in this situation. In the country where I live in we have the following rules: abortion possible until week 12. Until week 12 there are no sense and no ability to feel pain yet, because either these parts of the body or brain haven't formed yet. BUT you can't just have an abortion. You need to go to your doctor and say you want one, then you get a receipt for counseling. You go to a counselor that specialises on these things and there are also social worker ect available to help with f.e. your financial situation. You have to do at least 1 hour counseling where at the end you need to state that you still want an abortion. They will also ask about the partner, family, if giving the child up for adoption is an option for you ect. After that you have 3 days thinking time, so that you don't rush any decision and then you can get back to your doctor and you have to state for a 3rd time that you still want an abortion. Then you can schedule one. All if this needs to be before 12 weeks and tajes around 1-2 weeks. So you need to know it very early. I think it doesn't matter what I personally think. We need to do what is good for most people after evaluating what is ethical and what is not. We have an ethics counsel for that. It is seen as ethical because there are no senses and no sensory processing like seeing, hearing active yet and as far as we know at f.e. 10 weeks there is no sense of pain. The mind is not there yet. If someone is brain dead and hangs on a ventilator and machines and would die without the machines, would you consider this being alife? Because from what I know the states of the mind in these 2 cases aren't that different from each other. A lot of my family members work in the medical field. My sister in law is a doctors assistant for a gyneacologist. I'm not a medical professional myself, but had talks about this before and I trust their judgement.
@@ianalan4367Our civil rights also suggest involuntary servitude as an incubator is a wombslave. If we don't force people to be firefighters or lifeguards, why would we force them to be incubators? All precedent tells us using an unwilling body for survival is illegal. Surrogates require paperwork, for good reason.
Yes and even worse. They want to be supplied with babies when they've dropped the ball on the thousands that are "missing" while in their care in the system.
Hello doctors in Republican governed states, please consider moving out of those states immediately, I understand this is a major issue, but you may end up in prison if you stay in those states. You are needed in other places.
@Ian Alan so saving the mothers life by aborting the fetus isn't a civil just cause? U think a fetus the size of a cheerio with no brain function is more important than a woman's?
katelinstach6995 - No, preserving one’s own life is a just cause to take someone else’s life according to our civil code of ethics. This is why I support the exceptions clause that exists in every abortion law in this country. What other civil justification is there for taking a human life?
@@ianalan4367⬅️”This is why I support the exceptions clause that exists in every abortion law in this country.” 1) Can you list examples of services/products that are BANNED but still have EXCEPTIONS for purchase? 2) If you really supported the EXCEPTIONS you would say legislation needs to be MORE THOROUGH about when it is appropriate to grant an abortion. LIFE SAVING MEDICAL PROCEDURES DESERVE FOR MORE THAN A SENTENCE WORTH OF INFORMATION.
Abortion is a procedure. You may need an abortion (medical procedure) if you're wanted pregnancy is failing at anytime during the gestation prior to viability. If you are refused that standard care, you may lose your ability to ever carry to term ever again. If you are refused that standard care for a failing wanted pregnancy, you may die while your doctor is dithering on whether you're close enough to death to avoid legal liability if they provide standard care. If you are carrying a stillborn fetus and do not qualify for the standard care and must carry to term, undesirable psychological issues may arise in the no longer pregnant woman because she is now forced to carry her dead child within her body until her body decides to expell it. Pro-lifers are trying to stop women from aborting (a medical procedure) because it violates their moral code. Pro-lifers do not know the heart of the pregnant women seeking medical care. They don't care if the pregnancy is wanted, unwanted, medically dangerous to the pregnant woman, or something the pregnant woman frivolously wants to throw away. God allows women to be pregnant and God will decide if that pregnancy goes to term. Just as God spoke to you to take up you religious mission. God can speak to a frightened pregnant woman and change her mind if He so desires to intervene. God doesn't save pregnant women from war or famine. He doesn't save them from brutal men who feel they have the right to physically punish pregnant women. Medical decisions are between a woman and her God. If she disobeys, God will judge her. Repeal all anti-abortion laws. It is not your business to judge any woman's heart, nor your business to dictate her medical care. If any person can make the decision to not take a vaccine because they feel it is dangerous or refuse to wear a mask because they don't think masks help and subsequently pass a deadly disease that causes someone else to die, women have the right to make their own medical decisions as well.
Making abortion illegal is backfiring. If you are a woman against abortion then don’t have one, if a man against them don’t get a woman pregnant. Making a woman suffer is outrageous.
The problem is they are not distinguishing between abortion & a miscarriage. Abortion should be illegal, a miscarriage is unintentional & a woman should get the proper treatment without penalty.
@@paulk9188you’re wrong. Abortion should be legal but RESTRICTED. Can you list any BANNED services/products that have EXCEPTIONS for purchase? How does a State BAN abortion but allow an EXC? Every abortion performed in Texas right now is a LIVE SAVING procedure. Categorizing these procedures as ILLEGAL only takes away resources. Why would you want less resources for LIFE SAVING medical procedures smh?
A health care service which results to women unnecessarily dying in A&E is a sad inditement on the American justice system and a clear failure on the part of politicians and law makers who are ultimately responsible for the unnecessary deaths of women in Louisiana
I hope, with all my strength, that Republican's reversal of Roe vs. Wade comes back to bite them - hard - at election time. States have passed laws, criminalizing - in an amazingly vague manner - anything related to reproductive care. They own this - DJT took personal credit, and he is the face and voice of the Party, whether they like it or not.
In Missouri, if the child endangers the mother they ignore it. They brush off all concerns. Recently they passed a law that if you get an abortion you can go to prison for 10 years, even if pregnancy was a danger to their life.
The woman's life is worth more than the unborn baby, period. She might have a husband to take care of or has children already born who needs her or at the very least she has job responsibilities. The woman's parents invested many years worth of money and love into her. The mother is most definitely worth more than the unborn baby and should be treated that way
We can expect the unborn baby to have 80 years left to live. The mother only 40-60 assuming she gets pregnant at age 20-40. In almost any other circumstance we value and protect children to a higher degree than we do adults. Why is this any different?
I generally agree with this sentiment… except when one voluntarily engages in sexual activity where one knows such activity can lead to the creation of another human life.
I am man and really shouldn’t be speaking on this. However for whatever it’s worth to change the law all dr in favor of the issue should leave the state and practice where it’s legal to do so. That would probably be half of all the dr’s in the state. I’d bet they change the law then.
You can thank your Churches if you are not happy . As long as you support them and keeping going back this is more of what you will get. Religion has no place in government or Heath care .
@@jskyler7 are you going to support the unborn when it arrives. Are you able to support the unborn for the rest of its natural. What were the circumstances of the pregnancy. Who’s life are we protecting??, the foetus or the woman who is already with us as a conscious being?
"You can have a ban on abortion and not criminalize physicians..." I can not believe she actually said that. Spoken like a doctor looking out for her peers and less so her patients! A ban on abortion should never be legitimized - its horrific and an attack on human rights.
Until one of these politicians are impacted by these laws( ie someone they know, wife, girlfriend, relatives, maybe a friend), then and only then will they actually have a second thought on these laws, and maybe push for a change. Otherwise they will vote along party lines, and what’s good for the donors and themselves.
They won't be impacted by them though. They will just fly their wife/daughter/mistress/etc/etc to a blue state and it will be taken care of there. They know that blue states will offer all they need, and at the kind of money congress pays its not like their significant others even need to work so they aren't going to be missing days at work if that happens. Also Washington DC has no bans in place - chances are high that any politician can just slip some money to an OB GYN to be quiet about it.
It's hard to understand the reasoning behind our Country's growing number of States who are passing such awful legislation on abortions. I don't know why anyone would think that it is a vital necessity to enact laws which endanger women's lives & physical/mental well-being that essentially make access to the best options for reproductive care extremely difficult or unobtainable in many cases now. How is forcing a woman to carry an unwanted or medically dangerous pregnancy to term (or as close to term as an unviable pregnancy naturally permits -even if the risk to the mother could mean death or negative long-term health effects) a good thing for our Country? Given the complete insanity of what our Government is currently doing to women & families right now, I can't get this one thought out of my head as to a possibility of why this is happening... I feel like a total conspiracy theorist by putting this out there (& I still don't support these abortion bans even if this turns out to have some ground to stand on), but over the years I've come across studies & articles published by various major universities & institutes documenting the decline in child birth rates in the US plus the negative impact that falling birth rates / reduced work force may have on our economic growth & stability in the future. Does anyone else think that there might be a deeper motive to these abortion bans that doesn't have anything to do with religion, misogyny, sexism, & individual political gain?
The problem is that there are different definitions in the legal and medical communities for "being at risk". And unfortunately, the medical community will be held to the legal standard and the legal community won't tell what it is until there is a case decided at trial. So basically, a DA can charge any medical professional over the "being at risk" standard until the courts decide. It is a very poorly written law. . I for one fear the return of the botched abortions showing up at the emergency rooms.
UNTIL THE PLAYING FIELD IS LEVEL, and women no longer EVER HAVE TO WORRY about getting pregnant--just as MEN NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING PREGNANT--abortion is MORE than a right. It is a necessity. BIOLOGY IS NOT DESTINY.
May give one pause to question what the expensive "marketing/hype" of the pro-fetus uber alles camp/clique/cult has done for earnest education with regards to how things were prior to Roe v. Wade
It’s almost like all the “woke” people haven’t been yelling it out this whole time. But oh no let’s wait tell it becomes a REAL problem then let’s take it into consideration.
Unintended of these laws. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)
I can see both sides to this argument. Both sides are right and wrong. I can see how some abortions are justified and some aren’t. I can see how the freak out on both sides have hurt all woman. But I think in this particular episode we see there is a very large elephant in the room in our rural health care. Woman /men can’t get good health care in rural areas. Woman’s care is sadly lacking in my area. I don’t want to even think about mens care. Probably almost non existent. Maybe if people could sit down and talk to each other like people and not animals, we could come to a agreement on some of this. Nether side is all right or all wrong. There are always going to be exceptions. We just dwell on those, and that needs to stop. We are dealing with peoples lives.
As the other side. You are not dealing with just your life. You are dealing with a unborn person. As the old saying goes. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Why must you have a abortion? Why can’t you have a adoption? Why do you insist on having unprotected sex? As someone who lives in a rural area who does not have adequate pre/post natal care, why would you do the deed without protection. You can get condoms and birth control cheep and sent in the mail. Complaining about your choice to have unprotected sex is BS. Abortion to save a mothers life should also not be questioned. A Doctors oath, is to do no harm. I think some Doctors need to reread that part. It is also your choice to not drive to get better care. You can do that. If this is a issue with money, maybe the cost of having children is out of your price range and we are back to having unprotected sex. But I still will question why people feel it is up to everyone else to fix your problems.
Are doctors really that confused by "reasonable medical judgment to prevent the death or substantial risk of death to the pregnant woman due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious, permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."?? Aren't doctors the ones who diagnose our condition and determine what we are at risk for? Do they not feel like they can defend their own diagnoses?
The problem lies with the potential outsider's perspective. Someone could look at a doctor who believes they are saving someone's life and claim. "Well they didn't try this procedure." And now the doctor is liable for not trying that procedure. Even if the odds are still not in the woman's favor. She still has an extremely low survival rate. But the procedure COULD work. But it is ultimately better in the long run to terminate and ensure the safety of the person already living. But the pro-life people do not care. They would rather the woman die doing that final possibility than doing the one that will absolutely save her life. So doctors have to be extremely careful if they want to continue providing care to everyone.
It is a sad day when these representatives pass life threatening laws and do not research them time to Vote MAGA out of office they have broken their Public Trust
Our religious leaders are now required to step up and fix this. Not all women desire to have abortion just to have them. The bible has a statement that whoever's is without sin step forward.
The point of the clip is deciding what “at risk” means. Like at what point can they declare her life is at risk. In practice it means waiting until the woman has sepsis and is in immediate danger of dying. Think of it another way. Let’s say you have a clogged artery. You go to your doctor and report the fatigue, etc you are having. The doctor does an echo, maybe he scopes your artery and discovers the clog. Nobody waits until they have a heart attack before they get that stent put in. But women who are pregnant must wait until they are septic to receive a needed medical procedure. Because “pro life”. 🤨
That hasn't been the case. Even after a miscarriage, it's not always clear if fetal or embryonic tissue is still in the Uterus. So a D&C is often required. What is happening now is that procedure is being delayed until the woman is gravely ill. Waiting will also increase her risk of infertility in the future.
What does “at risk” mean? How do you not see how vague that sounds smh? LIFE SAVING medical procedures DESERVE more thorough explanations and more instructions, that’s the problem here smh.
A pregnancy is where an unborn child exists. Fyi "embryo" and "fetus" simply refer to developmental stages of the unborn. Oooops left that out of the "disclosure".
"Unborn child"?! Are you seriously attempting to use something THAT absurd as an excuse for the government having so much control over We The People that it literally forces [people to give birth against their will? IUf that is what you are trying to do: why do you hate freedom?
Did you know something called "unwanted pregnancy" exists? I know crazy, right? Let me know if you want to learn any other basic information about modern society
Why does it matter that someone used the term “pregnant people” instead of “pregnant women?” Does that make it somehow harder to understand? Why make an issue where there is none? The word “people” is not controversial. Saying “people” doesn’t erase women.
Except many people in Louisiana did not vote for this and cannot afford to move to a state where their rights are honored. There's also the issue of gerrymandering and voter suppression. There are millions of people in every red state that has outlawed abortion or close to it, who do not agree with the bans. In these states, sadly, the cards are stacked against them. We can't just pretend everyone voted for the politicians making these decisions for the populace. That's simply not true.
When that lady showed pictures a few years ago at a meeting of congress and senators watched how they cut those precious children in pieces to take it from the mothers womb. Killing is killing no matter how you look at it. I would gladly take another child and raise them in a Christian home and environment.
They are all missing the point. Going in circles not to answer the elephant in the room. Life matters. Again, the unborn don't have a voice. The human mind trying to make excuses. Falls short.
@@tonyabrookes9931 it won't let me post it otherwise. U know, because words are violence lmao. All kidding aside, I respect that cuz kids are on TH-cam as well
Rural hospitals in Idaho are closing because doctors are fleeing the state. Consequences.
If they are fleeing because they support abortion, they are not doctors or no different than the folks running the WW2 gas chambers.
@@buffalobill1415 Then they should be glad to be rid of them and happily accept the consequences.
@@kenofken9458 I shut the door behind them! Every woke POS that can leave will make everyone better off.
Sad and scary for those needing that service
@@kenofken9458 spoken like someone who has never needed a doctor
My sister in ID said her OBGYN has left the state because of overturning Roe.
Taliban militants haven’t gone away.
The murderous abortion doctors are on the run! Keep chasing with the torches!
@@buffalobill1415 😂
Look up infant mortality rates in the dirt poor red states.
GQP logic, there is none.
@@ClannCholmain you are so far gone there is no point debating or explaining to you.
And this will continue, in Idaho and other states. There will be even larger maternal care deserts than there already are in this country. The women who can't "just move" will be the ones who pay for this injustice. And it won't be just doctors moving. What woman who has a choice in the matter will choose to work and live in a state that treats her as less than human? The coming brain drain will leave these Red states sorely lacking qualified workers in many professions.
They are pro-life, except in literally every single aspect related to the child and its mom.
And they are blind to the hypocrisy and inconsistency. Or at least pretend to be.
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
@@jesuscaresaboutyou100 Do you allow that among the billions of literate people currently living there are many who hold some other literary source to be as valuable as the Bible is to you?
@@jesuscaresaboutyou100I don't believe in your god. So what your book says means absolutely nothing to me and has no business anywhere in politics, period.
Who is the “they” that you are talking about. I am pro-life and support child services. My wife and daughter are prolife and volunteer for child care and nutritional services. I know many pro-life people that contribute to society in many ways. So, who are you referring to exactly?
There are stories coming out of women denied care while going through a miscarriage losing their ability to have children because care was postponed while waiting to make sure the fetus was completely dead (sometimes until the point where it is decomposing and causing sepsis). At that point, the physical and mental care of that woman is at risk. Who wants to walk around knowing you are a tomb with legs for your dead child?
My late Aunt was forced to do this in 60's. She was never able to have kids after that and doted on me instead.
@@Kelly-ml5tl and it’s not the mothers fault either. What’s your point?
@@TheFrenchiest “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
@jesuscaresaboutyou100 By replying to her with this nonsense, you are ignoring the fact that she's talking about someone who became sterile due to an untreated miscarriage, which is what can happen today with the same delayed care. You can't even advocate for what you believe in properly.
@JesusCaresAboutYou%100 how many prophets have been appointed in the last decade?
So, if you're having a problem with your pregnancy, call your representative BEFORE you dial 911. This is f'ed up.
I knew this was coming. People playing God. There is a reason why we have doctors helping families make these hard decisions and not our political leaders.
Stop killing babies.
I'm a nurse practitioner and put my APRN and RN licenses on inactive status after all the abortion nonsense last year. Texas, Louisiana, and all these other regressive states are going to have a high cost to pay when the RNs and MDs leave.
Your a medical professional that won’t practice health care in a state that restricts termination of life for the unborn?
That is about as ironic as it gets.
I mean not all abortions are black and white. There are cases where you can take a mom's life if you don't get a abortion.
@@ianalan4367 if they're "unborn" you're "predead". It's sounds silly, because it is an uneducated term to call a fetus or zygote. Using an unwilling body for the survival of who the government deemed more worthy is the opposite of freedom. The reailty is you'd be livid if anyone used your body against your will. Practicing hypocrisy is not admirable.
It’s okay because they pushed a lot of people off Medicaid so poor people will just have unplanned babies without any prenatal care at all.
@@ianalan4367
"Your a medical professional that won’t practice health care in a state that restricts termination of life for the unborn?"
When not only your career, but also your freedom is at risk simply from giving necessary care to a mother whose child is completely non viable yet must be delivered due to the states laws it loses any claim to being 'healthcare' anymore.
Don't talk about subjects you clearly know nothing about beyond what your pastor beats you over the head with every sunday.
"What needs to be at risk before a doctor is allowed to intervene? Her heart? Her lungs?" This and the simultaneous removal of access to family planning services like contraception and sex education in these states is adding further harm to women and girls.
Our civil rights suggest someone’s life needs to be in jeopardy to justify taking another life.
@@ianalan4367 If f.e. there is a rupture and the woman is dialated losing liquid ( not from the US ) the chances of survival for a baby under 20 weeks is 0%. It will die inside of her slowly, removing the baby will k*ll it as well. So instead of helping a mother out in such a situation you wait until the baby is dead inside of her and she becomes septic because the corpse is starting to decompose? Really? That is inhumane and cruel. 20% of women even with the best care die in these circumstances. Of the ones surviving 50% become infertile. Not to mention the trauma of knowing your child is slowly suffering to death inside of you and then waiting till you get septic knowing you might die from it leaving your husband behind who might not only loose his child, but also his beloved wife.
If you think any of this is fine, you have a very cold and cruel heart.
danika9411 - That is a horrid situation be there no doubt. I support the exception for a mothers life in these situations that are in every abortion law we have.
You see our civil rights state that we do have the right to take a human life if we must do so to protect our own. This, plus impregnation by rape account for around 2% of all abortions performed. Are you against the other 98% then?
@@ianalan4367 If your country has these laws why didn't they make it clearer so that if there is f.e. a rupture and liquid leaking under 23 weeks that an abortion is possible BEFORE the child dies or the mother becomes septic? They made laws without understanding anything.
I'm not from the US and I'm not very religious. I believe that religion is a private matter that should always be separated from the government and it is a complete no go to bring any religious values into law making. Most religion say "I'm the true religion and my values are the right ones". I think no religion is the true religion, that they were made up by people to explain the world to them. So basically the bible is a fantasy book to me. These bans happen in mostly religious places where people try to enforce ruled from a fantasy book onto others because their almighty invisible friend told them so.....
I would let doctors, scientists and people who know things as well as possible ( science is evolving ) sit together and talk about what is ethical. In an ethical discussion belongs control over another human beings bid as well as not causing pain and suffering. Then look at the findings and see what is the most ethical way to go about it. Because there is a conflict in this situation.
In the country where I live in we have the following rules: abortion possible until week 12. Until week 12 there are no sense and no ability to feel pain yet, because either these parts of the body or brain haven't formed yet. BUT you can't just have an abortion. You need to go to your doctor and say you want one, then you get a receipt for counseling. You go to a counselor that specialises on these things and there are also social worker ect available to help with f.e. your financial situation. You have to do at least 1 hour counseling where at the end you need to state that you still want an abortion. They will also ask about the partner, family, if giving the child up for adoption is an option for you ect. After that you have 3 days thinking time, so that you don't rush any decision and then you can get back to your doctor and you have to state for a 3rd time that you still want an abortion. Then you can schedule one. All if this needs to be before 12 weeks and tajes around 1-2 weeks. So you need to know it very early.
I think it doesn't matter what I personally think. We need to do what is good for most people after evaluating what is ethical and what is not. We have an ethics counsel for that. It is seen as ethical because there are no senses and no sensory processing like seeing, hearing active yet and as far as we know at f.e. 10 weeks there is no sense of pain. The mind is not there yet.
If someone is brain dead and hangs on a ventilator and machines and would die without the machines, would you consider this being alife? Because from what I know the states of the mind in these 2 cases aren't that different from each other.
A lot of my family members work in the medical field. My sister in law is a doctors assistant for a gyneacologist. I'm not a medical professional myself, but had talks about this before and I trust their judgement.
@@ianalan4367Our civil rights also suggest involuntary servitude as an incubator is a wombslave. If we don't force people to be firefighters or lifeguards, why would we force them to be incubators? All precedent tells us using an unwilling body for survival is illegal. Surrogates require paperwork, for good reason.
They want us to supply them with babies when we don’t even have a roof over our head. What!?!
Yes and even worse. They want to be supplied with babies when they've dropped the ball on the thousands that are "missing" while in their care in the system.
Hello doctors in Republican governed states, please consider moving out of those states immediately, I understand this is a major issue, but you may end up in prison if you stay in those states. You are needed in other places.
They are only in jeopardy of prison if they break the law. No more killing human beings without a civil just cause.
@Ian Alan so saving the mothers life by aborting the fetus isn't a civil just cause? U think a fetus the size of a cheerio with no brain function is more important than a woman's?
katelinstach6995 - No, preserving one’s own life is a just cause to take someone else’s life according to our civil code of ethics. This is why I support the exceptions clause that exists in every abortion law in this country.
What other civil justification is there for taking a human life?
@@ianalan4367⬅️”This is why I support the exceptions clause that exists in every abortion law in this country.”
1) Can you list examples of services/products that are BANNED but still have EXCEPTIONS for purchase?
2) If you really supported the EXCEPTIONS you would say legislation needs to be MORE THOROUGH about when it is appropriate to grant an abortion.
LIFE SAVING MEDICAL PROCEDURES DESERVE FOR MORE THAN A SENTENCE WORTH OF INFORMATION.
Abortion is a procedure.
You may need an abortion (medical procedure) if you're wanted pregnancy is failing at anytime during the gestation prior to viability. If you are refused that standard care, you may lose your ability to ever carry to term ever again.
If you are refused that standard care for a failing wanted pregnancy, you may die while your doctor is dithering on whether you're close enough to death to avoid legal liability if they provide standard care.
If you are carrying a stillborn fetus and do not qualify for the standard care and must carry to term, undesirable psychological issues may arise in the no longer pregnant woman because she is now forced to carry her dead child within her body until her body decides to expell it.
Pro-lifers are trying to stop women from aborting (a medical procedure) because it violates their moral code. Pro-lifers do not know the heart of the pregnant women seeking medical care. They don't care if the pregnancy is wanted, unwanted, medically dangerous to the pregnant woman, or something the pregnant woman frivolously wants to throw away.
God allows women to be pregnant and God will decide if that pregnancy goes to term. Just as God spoke to you to take up you religious mission. God can speak to a frightened pregnant woman and change her mind if He so desires to intervene.
God doesn't save pregnant women from war or famine. He doesn't save them from brutal men who feel they have the right to physically punish pregnant women. Medical decisions are between a woman and her God. If she disobeys, God will judge her.
Repeal all anti-abortion laws. It is not your business to judge any woman's heart, nor your business to dictate her medical care. If any person can make the decision to not take a vaccine because they feel it is dangerous or refuse to wear a mask because they don't think masks help and subsequently pass a deadly disease that causes someone else to die, women have the right to make their own medical decisions as well.
I have heard more intelligent farts than what I just read. Stay out of other peoples lives.
Well said
I agree
Not to mention, God doesn't exist.
Making abortion illegal is backfiring. If you are a woman against abortion then don’t have one, if a man against them don’t get a woman pregnant. Making a woman suffer is outrageous.
The problem is they are not distinguishing between abortion & a miscarriage. Abortion should be illegal, a miscarriage is unintentional & a woman should get the proper treatment without penalty.
@@paulk9188you’re wrong. Abortion should be legal but RESTRICTED. Can you list any BANNED services/products that have EXCEPTIONS for purchase? How does a State BAN abortion but allow an EXC? Every abortion performed in Texas right now is a LIVE SAVING procedure. Categorizing these procedures as ILLEGAL only takes away resources. Why would you want less resources for LIFE SAVING medical procedures smh?
A health care service which results to women unnecessarily dying in A&E is a sad inditement on the American justice system and a clear failure on the part of politicians and law makers who are ultimately responsible for the unnecessary deaths of women in Louisiana
I hope, with all my strength, that Republican's reversal of Roe vs. Wade comes back to bite them - hard - at election time. States have passed laws, criminalizing - in an amazingly vague manner - anything related to reproductive care. They own this - DJT took personal credit, and he is the face and voice of the Party, whether they like it or not.
TRUMP 2024!!!
@@petef.4361 Ha!
In Missouri, if the child endangers the mother they ignore it. They brush off all concerns. Recently they passed a law that if you get an abortion you can go to prison for 10 years, even if pregnancy was a danger to their life.
@@MisstressMourtisha Yes, Missouri's Republican legislators seem to desperately want women to go back to being chattel.
The woman's life is worth more than the unborn baby, period. She might have a husband to take care of or has children already born who needs her or at the very least she has job responsibilities. The woman's parents invested many years worth of money and love into her. The mother is most definitely worth more than the unborn baby and should be treated that way
We can expect the unborn baby to have 80 years left to live. The mother only 40-60 assuming she gets pregnant at age 20-40. In almost any other circumstance we value and protect children to a higher degree than we do adults. Why is this any different?
@@SweBeach2023 because she will die
Nobody should be forced to use her own body to keep something alive. Period.
I generally agree with this sentiment… except when one voluntarily engages in sexual activity where one knows such activity can lead to the creation of another human life.
@@StrategicWealthLLC why?
@@TheJLH - Because one should be accountable for one’s actions.
@@StrategicWealthLLC I’m confused, is sex against the rules? Is having sex something bad?
@@TheJLH - No. Sex is not “bad”. Taking an innocent human life is “bad”.
I am man and really shouldn’t be speaking on this. However for whatever it’s worth to change the law all dr in favor of the issue should leave the state and practice where it’s legal to do so. That would probably be half of all the dr’s in the state. I’d bet they change the law then.
No I'm a guy we need to speak for the women on our behalf
@@sidali2590 go ahead and keep that runaway train going.
You can thank your
Churches if you are not happy .
As long as you support them and keeping going back this is more of what you will get. Religion has no place in government or Heath care .
Where to begin with this 🤯,
My mother is pro-Life …. And supports the death penalty . That done it for me.
So you think putting a killer to death is bad but putting the unborn to death is good??
That's standard for "pro-life". They're no more pro-life than the drug cartels or ISIS.
@@jskyler7 narrow
@Bethlehem Eisenhour mate that’s the point ….
@@jskyler7 are you going to support the unborn when it arrives. Are you able to support the unborn for the rest of its natural. What were the circumstances of the pregnancy.
Who’s life are we protecting??, the foetus or the woman who is already with us as a conscious being?
"You can have a ban on abortion and not criminalize physicians..." I can not believe she actually said that. Spoken like a doctor looking out for her peers and less so her patients! A ban on abortion should never be legitimized - its horrific and an attack on human rights.
Exactly. I was horrified that she said that as well.
This is dumb. Full stop 🛑. Let woman get care.
Until one of these politicians are impacted by these laws( ie someone they know, wife, girlfriend, relatives, maybe a friend), then and only then will they actually have a second thought on these laws, and maybe push for a change. Otherwise they will vote along party lines, and what’s good for the donors and themselves.
They won't be impacted by them though.
They will just fly their wife/daughter/mistress/etc/etc to a blue state and it will be taken care of there.
They know that blue states will offer all they need, and at the kind of money congress pays its not like their significant others even need to work so they aren't going to be missing days at work if that happens.
Also Washington DC has no bans in place - chances are high that any politician can just slip some money to an OB GYN to be quiet about it.
The story started out with "women are delaying care", but did not answer the question of why are women delaying care?
that part! the Dr. phrased that like women are intentionally delaying care?!?!!? like lol no?
Wow louisiana this messed up I’m from New Orleans so I see the problem 🤦🏾♂️
It's hard to understand the reasoning behind our Country's growing number of States who are passing such awful legislation on abortions. I don't know why anyone would think that it is a vital necessity to enact laws which endanger women's lives & physical/mental well-being that essentially make access to the best options for reproductive care extremely difficult or unobtainable in many cases now. How is forcing a woman to carry an unwanted or medically dangerous pregnancy to term (or as close to term as an unviable pregnancy naturally permits -even if the risk to the mother could mean death or negative long-term health effects) a good thing for our Country? Given the complete insanity of what our Government is currently doing to women & families right now, I can't get this one thought out of my head as to a possibility of why this is happening... I feel like a total conspiracy theorist by putting this out there (& I still don't support these abortion bans even if this turns out to have some ground to stand on), but over the years I've come across studies & articles published by various major universities & institutes documenting the decline in child birth rates in the US plus the negative impact that falling birth rates / reduced work force may have on our economic growth & stability in the future. Does anyone else think that there might be a deeper motive to these abortion bans that doesn't have anything to do with religion, misogyny, sexism, & individual political gain?
Let’s make a bill called the “Bring Back Roe v Wade” bill and then pass it into law.
The problem is that there are different definitions in the legal and medical communities for "being at risk". And unfortunately, the medical community will be held to the legal standard and the legal community won't tell what it is until there is a case decided at trial. So basically, a DA can charge any medical professional over the "being at risk" standard until the courts decide. It is a very poorly written law.
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I for one fear the return of the botched abortions showing up at the emergency rooms.
UNTIL THE PLAYING FIELD IS LEVEL, and women no longer EVER HAVE TO WORRY about getting pregnant--just as MEN NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING PREGNANT--abortion is MORE than a right. It is a necessity. BIOLOGY IS NOT DESTINY.
Hey where’s the Futurama hyper space chicken lawyer. I believe Louisianans call him senator Kennedy.
It's good god loves us, because it's becoming increasingly evident that right-wing "christians" don't.
May give one pause to question what the expensive "marketing/hype" of the pro-fetus uber alles camp/clique/cult has done for earnest education with regards to how things were prior to Roe v. Wade
Why are you calling the consequences unintended?
Unintended consequences? If someone didn't think this would happen, then they are stupid.
It’s almost like all the “woke” people haven’t been yelling it out this whole time. But oh no let’s wait tell it becomes a REAL problem then let’s take it into consideration.
Hospital care is great! Only necessary needs and medical help if needed.
You ‘hope’? That’s not good enough.
Good video
Welcome to Gilead!
Unintended of these laws. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)
Seems like they could get change in these laws so women can get proper care
I can see both sides to this argument. Both sides are right and wrong. I can see how some abortions are justified and some aren’t. I can see how the freak out on both sides have hurt all woman. But I think in this particular episode we see there is a very large elephant in the room in our rural health care. Woman /men can’t get good health care in rural areas. Woman’s care is sadly lacking in my area. I don’t want to even think about mens care. Probably almost non existent. Maybe if people could sit down and talk to each other like people and not animals, we could come to a agreement on some of this. Nether side is all right or all wrong. There are always going to be exceptions. We just dwell on those, and that needs to stop. We are dealing with peoples lives.
Yes. YOU are dealing with peoples lives. Not your life. Not your values. Not your circumstances. So why not stay out of peoples lives?
As the other side. You are not dealing with just your life. You are dealing with a unborn person. As the old saying goes. If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Why must you have a abortion? Why can’t you have a adoption? Why do you insist on having unprotected sex? As someone who lives in a rural area who does not have adequate pre/post natal care, why would you do the deed without protection. You can get condoms and birth control cheep and sent in the mail. Complaining about your choice to have unprotected sex is BS. Abortion to save a mothers life should also not be questioned. A Doctors oath, is to do no harm. I think some Doctors need to reread that part. It is also your choice to not drive to get better care. You can do that. If this is a issue with money, maybe the cost of having children is out of your price range and we are back to having unprotected sex. But I still will question why people feel it is up to everyone else to fix your problems.
Are doctors really that confused by "reasonable medical judgment to prevent the death or substantial risk of death to the pregnant woman due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious, permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."?? Aren't doctors the ones who diagnose our condition and determine what we are at risk for? Do they not feel like they can defend their own diagnoses?
The problem lies with the potential outsider's perspective. Someone could look at a doctor who believes they are saving someone's life and claim. "Well they didn't try this procedure." And now the doctor is liable for not trying that procedure. Even if the odds are still not in the woman's favor. She still has an extremely low survival rate. But the procedure COULD work. But it is ultimately better in the long run to terminate and ensure the safety of the person already living. But the pro-life people do not care. They would rather the woman die doing that final possibility than doing the one that will absolutely save her life. So doctors have to be extremely careful if they want to continue providing care to everyone.
It is a sad day when these representatives pass life threatening laws and do not research them time to Vote MAGA out of office they have broken their Public Trust
Our religious leaders are now required to step up and fix this. Not all women desire to have abortion just to have them. The bible has a statement that whoever's is without sin step forward.
I'd like to be the first to step out of line. Your iron age book of magic has no authority over me. I'll think for myself, thanks.😊
Well, ain't that a surprise?
Make them mortgage their sperm and eggs. See more info.
At 3:39 “women’s lives and black women’s lives” - Seriously? Aren’t black women included in “women’s lives” ? Quit dividing us!
💯! As if black women are aliens and or a separate species. Give me a f’in break woman!
Black women have a higher mortality rate than other demographics, so in this case the distinction makes sense.
Singles Utsav..tell us about iy😮
what if a lady had a protection, but the protection was useless....than what she can deal with that???????
Planned Parenthood doesn’t give “care” they take. They don’t offer follow ups or mental help. That’s not care.
The matrix is active here
Gfg
The problem is that they are not distinguishing Bethany abortion & a miscarriage, and the left is to blame for that.
Rip ..😅
That one POC lady said 'pregant person'. That's when I knew to turn this mess off.
If a mothers life is at risk, they will preform abortion.
The point of the clip is deciding what “at risk” means. Like at what point can they declare her life is at risk. In practice it means waiting until the woman has sepsis and is in immediate danger of dying.
Think of it another way. Let’s say you have a clogged artery. You go to your doctor and report the fatigue, etc you are having. The doctor does an echo, maybe he scopes your artery and discovers the clog. Nobody waits until they have a heart attack before they get that stent put in. But women who are pregnant must wait until they are septic to receive a needed medical procedure. Because “pro life”. 🤨
That's no excuse for the government forcing people to give birth against their will.
That hasn't been the case. Even after a miscarriage, it's not always clear if fetal or embryonic tissue is still in the Uterus. So a D&C is often required. What is happening now is that procedure is being delayed until the woman is gravely ill. Waiting will also increase her risk of infertility in the future.
What does “at risk” mean? How do you not see how vague that sounds smh? LIFE SAVING medical procedures DESERVE more thorough explanations and more instructions, that’s the problem here smh.
HAHAHAHA. Consequences
Is a life not
A choise we have enough
Crimes as it is
😇😇😇😇😇😇😇
Why did this lady say pregnant person instead of saying pregnant woman. Only women have babies
Whatever you call them, they're going to be SOL as a result of Taliban policies.
Because she is a person ie. Human Being, not "just" a female.
So....women aren't people?
@@midniterose7193 I see it went over y’all headed too.
Irrelevant. If you want to argue about trans people, find a video about that.
A pregnancy is where an unborn child exists. Fyi "embryo" and "fetus" simply refer to developmental stages of the unborn.
Oooops left that out of the "disclosure".
"Unborn child"?!
Are you seriously attempting to use something THAT absurd as an excuse for the government having so much control over We The People that it literally forces [people to give birth against their will?
IUf that is what you are trying to do: why do you hate freedom?
Women should not get pregnant to prevent bad pregnancy .
Makes sense to me
So we agree..... birth control and plan B should be widely available for free!
Wtf?? Damn 🤡
Did you know something called "unwanted pregnancy" exists? I know crazy, right? Let me know if you want to learn any other basic information about modern society
Bull crap. This has nothing to do with healthcare.
Pregnant person. So we're erasing females so men can feel included?
i don’t get why you care more about semantics than about the harm caused by these laws. that’s not very pro-woman
Sop...women aren't people?
How is that erasing women? Not having access to important healthcare is actually erasing women
Why does it matter that someone used the term “pregnant people” instead of “pregnant women?” Does that make it somehow harder to understand? Why make an issue where there is none? The word “people” is not controversial. Saying “people” doesn’t erase women.
Abortion doctors and nurses should be fined in an amount that baby would pay as taxes during lifetime
Is this propaganda at it’s finest?
Probably 😱
hmm.. propaganda because you, a man, says so?
Welcome to reality of life.
What's weird is the health care they are talking about seems to always end in the death of a baby. How's that health care?
They get what they voted for. Thats on them.
Except many people in Louisiana did not vote for this and cannot afford to move to a state where their rights are honored. There's also the issue of gerrymandering and voter suppression. There are millions of people in every red state that has outlawed abortion or close to it, who do not agree with the bans. In these states, sadly, the cards are stacked against them. We can't just pretend everyone voted for the politicians making these decisions for the populace. That's simply not true.
We should allow contraceptives only for coulples with 3 or more kids. Otherwise we are running out of workers and soldiers
You have supply coming through southern border.
We are not Citizen production factories.
When that lady showed pictures a few years ago at a meeting of congress and senators watched how they cut those precious children in pieces to take it from the mothers womb. Killing is killing no matter how you look at it. I would gladly take another child and raise them in a Christian home and environment.
In the process of 2
@@kayleighbarber3930 in the process of 2 more and I have one son of my own.
@@kayleighbarber3930 you sound like the type that has taken a wire hanger and ripped your own out a few times!
i would never put my kid in a christian home. i don’t want them to be abused, and that religion absolutely favors abusers
Did you even watch the video? They’re saying women’s lives are at risk and they can’t get proper care. They’re not intentionally “killing their baby”
They are all missing the point. Going in circles not to answer the elephant in the room. Life matters. Again, the unborn don't have a voice. The human mind trying to make excuses. Falls short.
You attempting to make excuses for the government forcing people to give birth against their will and literally killing women does not cut it.
Cows are alive.
“Life matters” morally but LEGALLY you gotta provide that documentation. That’s where you fall short.
CITE THE RIGHTS OR SHUT UP!
As a pregnant person???? Props for interviewing the biggest maurons
What is a "mauron"?
@@tonyabrookes9931 it won't let me post it otherwise. U know, because words are violence lmao. All kidding aside, I respect that cuz kids are on TH-cam as well
Kinda sad that this is what you get caught up on
@@vaels5682 its even sadder that ppl are now attempting to cancel the term mother.