As bad as "Pam passes out on the couch" sounds, the reality is that Pam chooses to sleep on the couch while giving Penny the bedroom. She has shown before that she loves and cares for her daughter. That said, Pam is still a problematic mother. She's embarrassed by her situation and that's why she doesn't like people visiting her home or judging her and Penny. She's probably experienced a lot of hardship and that makes her a harsh mother. Not that it excuses her behavior -- Penny is a more insecure and depressed person for it. But it's a very realistic dynamic.
Pam is going through depression - that should be evident. But she does her very best to take care of Penny. She's far from perfect - her addiction and state rub off on Penny, which probably makes her drink even more...
Her question about having kids is always really funny to me because I've always already had kids with someone else when I get this cut scene. I always want to say "Yes Penny I have kids already. They're the children following my husband around at all the town events" That being said, none of the mirage candidates seem to remember that you are married. Either that or they're all intentionally flirty with a married person.
Same, I always get 8 hearts with the marriage candidates when I am already married and it just makes them all sound thirsty for a married farmer, like calm down girly, do you really think I am going to leave my perfect himbo husband for you?? 😭😭😭 I almost don't want this too change because is really funny
The only thing I found strange about Penny was something she said about Vincent, it wasn't something horrible or anything like that, it's just a small contradiction. You see, in one of Penny's dialogues she talks about children's studies and says that Jas is very good at two specific subjects, but when she goes to talk about Vincent she stops like she doesn't have anything positive to say about his grades and says he has a lot of imagination, but there's a problem, at Vincent's house there's a paper with his grades, and it's possible to see that he got at least B in most subjects and an A in sports. I don't know much about this grading system but it doesn't look that bad, especially for such an active child, but in the previous dialogue Penny doesn't say that Vincent is good at sports or anything like that even though he got a good grade in that subject. I thought it was strange that she didn't remember something she did herself since she wrote the note about Vincent's grades, but there's nothing positive to say about him when talking to us, except Jas, she says two subjects that Jas is good at, but doesn't say the one that Vincent is good at...yeah, everyone has their favorites, even if it's just a little bit...
I made a video about Vincent a while back, so I went back to check real quick! He got: Reading: C Spelling: D Math: C Social Studies: B- Art: B- Sports: A Assuming a US grading system, that would mean his GPA is currently 2.5 which is a C, but it's being bolstered by that physical education class. Food for thought!
Yeah He doesn't even have to be a perfect student to the standard of common education system He has the right to be encouraged in those subjects he is gud at so that he could get better! And also He is still a child, and his mom is very depressed Having that genuine encouragement could help him become way better smh :(
Sometimes there isn’t much you can say nice about a student concerning academics but still be fond of them. There’s also a chance that she’s grading him on a generous learning curve because she probably does like him a lot but doesn’t want to lie to Jodi.
I don't actually pursue much female NPCs but after befriending Penny, I had the urge to save her from her situation. She's the only bachelorette I married plus I get a Strawberry themed room 😅
To be honest, I only married her for the room decor 😅 but i like being friends and it would be in real life if she existed, to keep her company and help, but the rest is up to her.
I usually pick Penny just because I feel like her married schedule still feels like she's as much as art of the community as she was before Whereas some of the others feel like they withdraw a lot from everyone else
All the marriage candidates, from what I have seen, have that vibe of being the main character of their own story until suddenly the farmer sweeps in and solves their major life issues with love and marriage. We never get to see these characters solve their issues on their own. To be fair, the farmer is the main character and a large part of the game's appeal is in its wish fulfillment. A good future development would be to see how the characters you don't marry continue on and solve (or don't solve) their life problems.
Yeah. I would love to see further development of them towards their goals, like a second post-marriage/ post-not getting married with the farmer chapter of their lives, reflected in changes in their patterns in the world and in what they say. It would also be nice if others could get married to each other, especially if the farmer could help encourage certain ones if none of the pre-determined ones are to their liking (with their being pre-determined romances between different sets of characters then a secondary one that happens if the farmer marries one or the other of them unless the farm coaxes a character towards someone else) then the farmer's kids could grow up and have other children they hang out with that are around their age. (And Penny could have a questline to get help getting an official teaching license if she doesn't have one already, which is kinda up in the air and would be a good next ). Serious changes could then have sprung from the farmer's introduction to how Pelican Town develops that would likely never quite be the same from player to player, especially depending on how the children's personalities might be made. Though I would argue with Sebastian, it's one story where moving in with the farmer actually does work as a next chapter for his story. He wanted an escape from his house and at first that only escape seems to be to save enough from his job to move into the city. But while he hates his living situation, he also still likes his friends in town and the nature around him. Then the farmer comes and he now has another option, one with a spouse that is willing to take part/understand his hobbies and his work and understands the desire for a fresh start, but also doesn't require him to move far from everything he does love. Then once married, his job most easily allows him to be the spouse that stays at home and looks after the kids while the farmer's off mining or simply busy in the fields. He's also able to work on connecting with his mom again now that the stress of being at the house is gone and he finds new hobbies/things to do and comes out of his shell like collecting frogs and helping around the farm, even requesting the slime hutch (even as I really wish that he would also help with the slime hutch and would beg concerned ape to add that in so that he's not simply asking me to do something that he doesn't take part in at all. I solely got that because he wanted it) that help him develop a new zest for life that helps him not be depressed like he was before while all feeling very in character. I would like to play more of the Stardew version of D&D with him sometimes as a bit of a unique date night and a storyline where he's actually dealing with his family ties more now that he's out of the house and can be helped to reconcile with them or to cut out the ones out of his life he really shouldn't need to deal with. But otherwise, Sebastian's story actually has a satisfactory conclusion in being with the farmer and so I would argue is a large part of why everyone likes his romance story.
I think Shane is the one exception. He addresses his alcoholism, his depression appears improved. He finds something he loves (his chickens, especially the blue ones) But if you marry him he backslides big time. He's the NPC whose lifenis better if you stay besties and never marry.
This is why Emily is so great to me. She doesn't need you to solve her issues or give directions for her passions. Everything she does, she does them all on her own and even welcomes the player to join her if we want. Honestly, the only bachelor(ette) that I could consider an equal to the Farmer.
@@dmin5782 Tbh I feel the same about Harvey. Like he still runs his clinic, tunes into ATC radio, and pulls an American medical system on me when I go collapse in the mines. Which I know a lot of people dislike, but I actually kinda like it, in a weird way. Like Harvey still treats his job the same, and truth is, I'm probably the one using up the worst of his resources, so I can afford to subsidize his career lol
Penny is the textbook definition of someone with a combative/abusive parent and little to no parental guidance. She wants to be independent and break free of the restrictive life she's had to lead so far. But with no real role model to look up to and take inspiration from, she fumbles, especially because fiction often provides unrealistic expectations on how achievements should go. She's too ashamed of letting people in because of her home life to really have friends, which stifles her even more, and she's too afraid to really speak her mind to anyone because she's so accustomed to not being able to speak it at all. When she does finally open up to the farmer, it's her being able to move on from having a life so controlled by her mother. I like Penny a lot, and, a part of that is because... I relate to her heavily. We have a lot of the same interests, speech patterns, history, and the same complicated relationship with our mothers. Penny feels very real to me. While troubled home lives can be nightmarish tales of horrific abuse by cruel, evil-hearted people... they can also be this. (Also I agree with you so much on the "feminine women can't cook" trope. My problem with it is that it's always treated like a flaw of her as a person, and it's always characters like Penny who would be otherwise ideal "housewives". Smells like old-fashioned misogyny to me.)
It does seem that after marriage her cooking improves. Maybe she was just starting to learn in the heart scene. Being a housewife seems to be her genuine goal in life.
I also relate to her a lot because of all this, I am in an almost identical situation to her, except maybe even more restrictive... and that's the reason I don't like her much, oddly enough. Sometimes if something hits TOO close to home you just don't want to deal with it in an escapist game like that. But she is a complex character, which is good.
I'm glad someone was able to put how I feel about Penny in words for me. Also Penny can cook better than me, I've managed to burn boiled eggs before and if I try to use my stove or oven I'm almost guaranteed to start at least a small fire.
While I hate the trope in general, I think it fits Penny well. It's heavily implied that Pam's idea of cooking is microwaving Stouffer's, and they can't exactly afford to throw away an inedible meal to really give her a chance to learn. How could she possibly be good at cooking? I think one big flaw with Penny's characterization is that all of the teaching stuff makes it seem like she's Pelican Town's elementary teacher which would mean she's relatively old, but that's not true. She's the same age as Sam/Abigail/Maru/Haley which is to say 19ish. She's just tutoring Jas/Vincent because Marnie and Jodi feel bad about what happened to Pam, it's an easy way for them to help out, she loves kids, and Vincent could definitely use a tutor anyway. Another good use of the trope is in the Quintessential Quintuplets. Though that's a trope reversal so it arguably doesn't count. Especially because it's a real trope reversal and not the usual "haha isn't it crazy how anime is so pervy? Anyway here's a pervy thing that we can now show with good conscious because we made fun of it being pervy." The friends point is really common and just wrong though. She's really, really close with Maru and Sam0. She is presumably friendly with Jodi/Kent/Marnie/Shane/Robin/Demetrius between the tutoring and being so close with Maru+Sam. She may not be the most popular person in town, but she has a completely normal amount of friends for the game. Which makes sense given that she's a wallflower. It would be weird if she was the life of the party.
People don’t like that telling her the truth hurts her feelings, but isn’t that realistic? Yeah, you lose hearts with her, because she’s embarrassed by being admonished by a relative stranger, or because you don’t like her heartfelt gesture. But, you can earn those hearts back. What people are really annoyed with is that they “game” Penny’s responses because they don’t want the hassle of needing to re-earn her hearts. But sometimes being honest requires sacrifice, and if you want a healthy relationship, you may need to put in the extra work.
You don't understand. If I don't power game her friendship, I'll have to give her a whole extra poppy. Do you know how much that costs? Like 100g and a fraction of a salmonberry. How could I possibly recover from such a devastating loss?
It's not just a Penny thing , I think players have more of a problem with how it seems like the game itself (aka CA) is telling you that what she did was right, by not only punishing you from disagreeing with her but mostly by making George *apologize* to her when he really shouldn't.
This felt like it was, not unfairly, calling me a hot mess. Penny was the first marriage candidate I chose and it wasn't in an attempt to save her or anything, just because she shared a bunch of common traits and interests with me. I still really like her, she likes reading, cares, wants to help others, and doesn't let a rough life turn her into a rough person. We can just be a hot mess together
I identify heavily with the awkward well-intentioned but poorly-executed side of Penny… I also always viewed her as one of the more mature/adult candidates due to her teaching job and how she’s always cleaning up after Pam (or it seemed that way to me). I also really liked that when married to her, she still goes and teaches the kids and even does some grocery shopping and stuff for you… busy busy woman. I have a lot of respect for someone trying their best to make good out of a bad situation.
She strikes me as someone who was raised having to do a lot of stuff herself, without anyone to rely on to teach her valuable life skills, and now she's starting to face the fact that while she knows how to survive and take care of her mother, and just because she read something in a book doesn't mean she knows how to do it.
As someone who is in a similar situation to Penny, yes. I had to learn pretty much everything from books or the internet because mom just never thought about teaching me how to do anything. It's really not the same as having someone teach you this.
I really lile Penny, but can't really stand the George scene. Imagine if you put yourself in George's place: would you want to be pushed out of the way for someone to get a letter in the mail for you? I know I wouldn't. I think Penny always tries to do right, but winds up making the situation worse. Another great video Leap, keep up the good work!
I think is a good scene, if we take out the "George you stupid ungrateful old timer should apologize" that he apologizing seems to imply, I also think Penny lost of hearts is realistic since she genuinely cares about George and Evelyn as her secret note letters implied, but here she feels that you're ganging against her for no reason.
@@stargazer6097 do you crucify them for helping, though, or do you in your heart understand that they were only trying to help? People are being extra harsh on Penny while she's only trying to help. I understand that a lot of times we don't wanna be helped, but isn't it fair to also put ourselves in Penny's shoes, since we're already doing that for George? Penny's probably looking for any situation to include herself in to give herself a sense of "usefulness", because with a mom like Pam, who can't get enough of blaming Penny for every little thing, she probably never felt like she's useful enough, good enough. She's craving the feeling of people thanking her and appreciating her because she almost never have felt that way her entire life with this type of mom. So, yes. Geroge's annoyance is justified, but so is Penny's attempt at helping. We always side with the person that seems like the victim, and that's totally understandable, but there's no victim here, there's just a misunderstanding between two adults who didn't make a fuss about it and just went on with their lives.
I like the updated version more than the old one. In the old one, the line the farmer says when admonishing Penny is about her "making George grumpy" which feels dismissive of George's feelings and doesn't address what she actually did wrong.
I’m not physically disabled yet some man picked me up to move me at a festival because he wanted to be at the barricade. Trust me when I say I felt violated. While yes George reacted strongly, I understand it entirely. Imagine how many times this had happened to him. I wish the player was allowed to disagree with Penny more while showing her it’s okay just be better and continue to learn and accept others. But oh well
@@heath6802 and also Even if it was available Catalogue is less accessible than marriage KEKEKKEKEKEKE YOU CAN GET YOUR FAVORITE THEMED HOUSE QUIQUER THAN GETTING ALL THAT GOLD FOR THE CATALOGUE
I completely feel Penny, especially with the “caring about something, trying to help, getting scolded, and retreating into fiction again” part. Having grown up in a similar situation, I often just stop trying immediately after a screwup and just go back into escapism. With George, I don’t think the friendship loss is her disliking you because you didn’t agree with her. Rather, I think it’s because this new person she just met saw what a screw-up she thinks she is and doesn’t want to interact with you because of that negative case. Her six heart event having the neutral option being telling her it’s bad could be seen as her being comfortable with you in that manner, now. I just do wish she got her own arc instead of it being “get married everything’s good now.” I know that ruins the fantasy for a lot of people, but more could’ve been done than you swooping in and saving her, taking away her chance to get better.
if you think about it, getting married, having kids is her goal. Some people hate it because they can't relate to this goal and think it's somehow wrong because of that or treat her like she is stupid because she has a "basic" goal in life. But I think if that's what she actually wants, that's her choice and saying she needs "an actual goal" is pretty fucked up
penny has always been my favorite bachelorettes. when i would tell people, they said she was "boring" and had nothing going on for her, but they just didn't bother to pay attention to her story. i always related to her, too, because of the escapism and always wanting to help. she's a good character, i wish people would appreciate her more 😔
My interpretation of Penny's character is that living in the trailer with Pam, she never gets the chance she needs to actually shine; she's like a candle under a bushel. Marrying the farmer allows her to thrive in a way she never could while taking care of her mother. I don't buy the idea of marrying Penny to 'save' her; i married her in my game because she's a sweetheart and I liked her.
Penny is the character I can relate to the most in Stardew. I do think along the lines of getting her out of her situation, but also I think she can do a lot of good if someone is there backing her up and making sure she has a safety net to learn from her mistakes and get better. I personally have the same issue: I care a lot about people, but being Autistic, I cannot always read people correctly, and I have to explicitly learn what to most is nature. Even my IRL partner has a lot in common with Penny (though she is Ace, and her mental status and upbringing are far worse).
I suppose to address the “woman who can’t cook” trope, I think it serves a purpose and fits well if it doesn’t become a primary flaw. This is bearing in mind that the trope of a women being unable to cook, regardless of the light it’s placed in, has involvement in reflecting or going against traditional gender roles. At its core, it originally served as a criticism towards women - oh, she’s an otherwise amazing person, but can’t cook, so she’s no longer appealing. This shifted over time, with feminism and the like, into something that was embraced in writing women, embracing that the fact she isn’t good at cooking but still a perfectly capable human being. She’s flawed, but there’s nothing wrong with her flaws, in a society that has embraced a mentality of perfectionism in women. And overall, I think much like other traits and flaws, so long as it’s not their primary trait or flaw without the context fitting that, it’s fine. I see no harm in having a female presenting character, or any character period, not even be able to boil water, or even be a top level chef, but the key is that these are details that round out a character, not a singular skill or flaw that overrides everything else (unless of course your story is about their cooking trials, in which case go with it). The overall goal is a dynamic character, and I think for Penny, not being able to cook isn’t necessarily a primary trait, but more a broader reflection of a common theme: she has good ideas, but doesn’t do well at putting them into action. And perhaps a bit of perfectionism in that she expects it to go well, and if it doesn’t she’s just devastated, without a push to learn and grow from the failure. Which frankly probably goes a lot into her psyche from her neglected living situation.
Penny is the first person I married in my first game, I always wanted to save her (as someone who does have an abusive family) however looking back i always saw her in a more platonic way. She's a sweetheart that deserves better and it feels wrong to leave her with pam
Yes that’s what I feel too! Like platonically I want her to move in. Because she clearly needs some space and you can’t save people, especially relatives. And I just think she’s a nice character too. She always tries to do the right thing even if she really messes it up sometimes
I kinda hate that in that question about children there's no way to tell her that you don't want kids without losing friendship. I mean, there is, but in that one she tries to change your mind anyway
Penny's scene with George turned me off, especially because like mentioned in the video, her losing fp when you try to correct her or don't lie to preserve her feelings. Her (and Haley) not knowing how to cook makes sense to me. I doubt Pam taught her how, nor did Pam teah her how to properly manage a house, which was implied when you build their house and Penny expresses how difficult it is to keep it clean. But I do agree that the trope is played out, overall. It's interesting to me that only a few of the romance-able characters have good backgrounds. Sam has an absent father and has to comfort Vincent about his fears, Sebastian is neglected by his step father, Maru's father is controlling and possessive, Shane had depression and likely PTSD, Leah has an abusive ex, Alex's father was abusive and his mother died, leaving him to be raised by his grandparents who are in an unhealthy marriage. The only ones with "normal" backgrounds are Haley and Emily (whose parents left to travel but both are adults and can care for themselves), and Harvey and Elliot (who we get almost no background for apart from their jobs)
I had an actual reddit slapfight with some dude over Penny’s 2-heart scene. Yes, redditpal, we all DO need to be 100% perfect at not moving other people’s bodies without their permission.
@@Cephas SOmeones account got deleted for defending george and people made ablest comments such as wheel that bitch outta here. So sadly no penny doesnt get near enough flack for being abelist
I dont get how it's wrong when he ends up not caring that much anyways. he couldn't reach the letter and he wasn't going to reach it. George needed the help and though Penny was a bit presumptuous, she was still trying to help.
@@noname-gh1vr Victims prioritize their victim status over any and all other considerations. If they themselves are not victims, then its their duty to be offended on behalf of other victims (even if the victim himself takes no offense). This is what it means to be a good ally.
My impression of Penny is that she suffers from depression. I think she is my least favorite marriage candidate cause the game wants you to lie or encourage bad behavior as you get rewarded in universe with more hearts for doing so. That struck me as a very bad dynamic to fall into and Penny just gives me the vibe of someone who would be massively codependent. Like, that can be really bad and maybe it just hits close to home but it is why I do not like her as a marriage candidate. She views the farmer and having kids as fixes to her life, as things that will break her out of her depression. That was my impression. It's kinda weird, but I actually started to like Haley as a candidate. Like she is totally mean to you at the beginning but as she gets more hearts with you you see her grow so much. She becomes a lot more open minded and willing to try new things based on her dialogue. When I first played I hated her for how she initially treats the farmer, so I find it funny that she is now my go to batchelorette. Also, the deadly cook is an overused trope, I see it so much in anime and sitcoms that it just is a beaten down joke that is centered on like, "woman bad" humor. It would be cool to have more cases of one person is able to cook but the other is really good, or if one person can't cook have them ask for help in learning because usually an adult recognizes playing with fire can be bad if you don't know what to do. Or maybe both or no one is a good cook. I dunno, deadly chef is just overdone and gets more of a groan of boredom than any jovial sensation at this point for me.
It’s crazy that Penny’s father feels trapped yet trapped them in a life of poverty in an effort to free himself. Ofc don’t stay in an environment you’re not happy in but also… idk I can’t help but think he ran off with Pammy’s money. But that’s also “I know this person but not that person” bias. Also tbh I relate to Pam’s “don’t touch my stuff” arguments. Like I’m fine with people helping but it’s prob best to help when I’m there too so I know where things are 😅
I despise that I have to lie to her to become friends. It's not okay to just grab someone's wheelchair, especially while they are in it!!! But telling her that just makes her upset. Specifically in her 8-heart scene, it sucks that you lose friendship if I tell her the truth, that I'm just not a fan of kids. She acts like having different opinions about your own future plans is a friendship deal-breaker. We're still only friends at 8 hearts, why can't we just disagree?
My defense for the kids aspect would be that if the idea is that you're getting hearts with her in order to marry her, it's best to agree on whether you want kids or not before marriage, so that would literally be a deal-breaker for her if you both aren't a fan of kids and don't want a large family like she does. Think of how terrible it would be in real life if one person wanted a large family of seven/eight kids and the other could only barely assent to having one child if even that, and they were thinking of getting married. The different marriage candidates are not meant for everyone to reflect real life and that is a major example of why. (More wish that if you married Penny, you really could have that large family in game).
To be fair, a lot of folks see her losing friendship points in the 2-heart scene as her being embarrassed or feeling like you dislike her. Plus, irl, if you call ppl out on things they do wrong, it may sting a bit and they may feel awkward for a while. As for the whole kids thing, depending on how you answer, the points lost aren’t rlly that much. The biggest loss in points you can get in that event is if you decline to be a guest speaker and say you hate kids (which is pretty harsh admittedly, hell, the kids r right there too lol). I see these things as learning experiences for Penny since she seems like she doesn’t get out much. But, everyone experiences the game differently I suppose.
I think the game animation takes that scene out of context. I think the idea of the scene was that George was having difficulty getting his mail, so Penny who was very close by, helped him get it. Almost like holding a door open for someone who has their hands full with groceries.
@@ominousflames14 There's an issue with that idea, though, and that is that Penny wasn't politely holding a door open and waiting for George to make his way through it. Forgive me if my memory of the scene is a bit foggy, but from what I can remember, Penny notices George struggling, says "let me help you," and then _immediately_ takes hold on his wheelchair, pushes him out of the way, and grabs the mail from the mailbox for him. A wheelchair is a mobility device. Pushing someone's wheelchair is, in abled terms, similar to picking someone up and carrying/dragging them around. The issue isn't that Penny wanted to help, or even assumed George needed help, but that she moved him without his consent. Had she asked beforehand, there would be a lot less to complain about in the scene.
Some of Penny's heart events were kinda funny in my latest playthrough, I saw her 4 heart event after I bought them their house, which made it even worse, I mean when you buy them the house Pam said that she wanted them to be like a real family, yet here she is, screaming at her daughter merely days after they got a new home. Her 8 heart event was also funny but in a lesser way, she asked me about wanting kids and I stared at her like, girl I'm married with 2 kids, YOU WENT TO MY WEDDING!!
While Penny stays on my friend list, as an absurdly successful farmer I’m happy to help her (and Pam) out where I can. In her scene with George I do criticise and take the loss of points. To me (biased bc I’ve been there) it’s a case of her mistaking niceness for kindness, that she could readily learn from if the game allowed. Beyond that I give her props for trying to help others, even with all the reasons she has to feel inadequate to the task. It’s no small feat for someone to give what they’ve scarcely received. Re bad cooking, I mind the trope less than the social presumption of “the woman does the home cooking” that it builds on 😔 Meanwhile the farmer can instantly make any recipe! (PS Let Penny enjoy poppies, she’s still lucid enough to resist the power of rabbit’s feet 😅)
Penny is my least favorite marriage candidate. It just feels so much to me like she was "planted" in the game for people who want to sweep a poor troubled girl off her feet and give her a happy ending. I've even seen some people say they feel guilty for NOT marrying her! I'd really prefer if she had more of an arc of becoming more confident and self assured, not just becoming singularly obsessed with the farmer and their future family. Maybe she could start a little one-room schoolhouse or something? Idk, her story is depressing if you don't marry her because then she never gets the family she wants, but even if you marry her she still doesn't have any real growth.
@@slvaltva1392 no spoilers but enough of them kinda do, so far the ones i have seen that mention/show them pursuing their careers or conclude their story arc are Sam, Sebastian, Shane, Alex, Elliott, Abigail and Haley to name a few. Penny kinda just.. redecorates your room with exclusive furniture which is pretty neat
It may not slap you as hard in the face as it does for say, Shane (we'll ignore the backtracking when you actually marry him), but she absolutely does gain more confidence as you progress through her relationship. In the 4 star event she stands up for herself and let's Pam know how much her alcoholism is hurting her. In the 6 star event she goes out on a whim and learns how to cook )poorly) for you, her canonical crush at this point. In her 10 star event she confesses her feelings (granted you're already dating at that point, but that's borne by game mechanics rather than narrative as shown by so many 10 star events being first kisses or similar). Those are all pretty big steps for somebody who starts at assuming no stranger would want to talk to her. There's also the very missable upper relationship dialogues where she not so subtly implies getting married to you while giggling. In general the "savior" thing being so common is wild. She's a really kind but shy person. The "a challenge to break through the cold outershell but very worth it once you do" trope. If that's not your thing whatever I guess, but let's not pretend that you don't understand why somebody would find that appealing.
I will give points for Penny giving me the only opportunity where I feel like I can agree with George about something. Then, of course, he chooses that moment backtrack instead of sticking to his guns for something that he’s actually justified in being annoyed about.
I think the reason the "I don't want to be tied down" answer doesn't drop as much is because you KNOW you don't want that to happen. I think the farmer doesn't want to hurt their family, so they'd rather just not get close to people to begin with.
Penny was one of those characters that I never really befriended in my play through, so it’s interesting to see her character scenes. She does feel kind of underdeveloped as a character though
I love Penny, but you make some good points. It’s one reason why I got the the Penny expanded mod, it actually makes her feel like her own characters, doing stuff by herself.
Penny's more interesting if you assume that she'll fall in love with and marry Sam in the future (as the Flower Dance partners might imply). The farmer offers almost too much support. Unlike some of the other bachelors, Penny isn't nearly as driven by personal goals - she needs external motivation, and with a rich partner who is literally good at everything, there's nothing even remotely uncomfortable enough in her life to do that. Not only do Sam and Penny have a much more equal relationship where they'd both need to step up to build their independent lives, their personal weaknesses become something that helps the other grow and improve as people. Penny encourages Sam to be more mature, but that same immaturity encourages Penny to be more creative, and to view things in a different light that she wouldn't have felt about to do when being a child in poverty with an unfit parent. Plus children's entertainer and elementary teacher just make such a nice duo to think about!
Penny is one of the characters I prefer to just be friends with and I think I would be friends with her if she were a real person, not only because of my sexuality, but also because I don't feel anything else and marrying her helps, but something is missing, i think she has to do it herself. The characters could really leave the valley for a while, I'm glad some like Jodi can go to ginger island and get a taste of what it's like to travel to new places.
I don’t mind helping her get out of the hole she’s fallen into. Using helping Penny as a reason for marriage though sounds like it would be unhappy to say the least after you’ve burnt out.
I've married Penny before, but her story is too much like real life, lol! I feel like she would make a great wife for Harvey. Give me books and a non-threatening farming game any day!
One odd thing about Penny's dynamics with the other villagers as well is that she seems to be friendly with both Sam and Maru (you can see them hanging out around town and at events) yet those relationships are barely acknowledged. Vincent makes like, one comment alluding to Penny and Sam potentially having a romantic inclination toward each other, but no one ever mentions Maru (that I know of at least) even though they sit together in town all the time, presumably hanging out.
Yep, I found it weird that people went on and on about she being lonely and even in this video itself that happened, despite I thinking that it is clearly not the case? After all, she seems to be friends with both of those and also I believe that she is definitely friends with Jodi, she wouldn't give classes to her son without knowing much about her and I personally think that both would blend pretty well with each other
Absolutely love Penny, unless I go into a save with a specific marriage candidate in mind, I always end up going for Penny. As with all marriage candidates it would be nice to see them be more involved after marriage, but who knows what the future brings.
i like penny, but i really do wish her arc ended differently. maybe after getting out, she could work towards getting a teaching certificate? i just wish she got to do something purely for herself, you know?
I know this comment of mine is 10 months late, but there is actually a mod that touches upon this, where after marriage the 14 heart event will change to being able to help pay for Penny to go on a training course to get said teaching certificate, it's pretty nice addition I think :)
I don't exactly remember how this dialogue option comes up, but at some point the kids tell on Penny, something about Vincent saw his brother helping her up a tree or something. To me it suggested she might be somewhat romantically interested in Sam and not just the farmer
That's during her 8 heart scene. ConcernedApe stated that by this point in your relationship she's no longer interested in Sam and that he didn't mean to imply a relationship there. 😁
Finally, my favorite NPC! Sorry if I get carried away, but I've never had a chance to express my feelings about this character. I'll try to be brief: I don't know why most players that marry Penny choose her. As for me, she was the character that hooked me up from the very beginning... because I too came from a complicated house with drinking and finance problems and fled to fantasy worlds. I too find myself, up until this day unfortunately, dreaming about going somewhere else and starting over with someone good and nice, and discovering what a real family should feel like. I fell in love with this NPC because I felt like she was a well written character, just a really nice person to have around. I've married her in every file faithfully from 2016 up until today, except for my most recent one, because I married a player (uurrg, 3D love, i know, ew) with whom I'm gonna move out shortly and write my own fantasy story 🥰 Oh, I also find it really cool that Penny's dream is to have a big family and just live well and we can help her with that. Most other players just give up on their dreams after marrying and that upsets me. Makes me think I'm being abusive idk.
Penny was my first spouse I started playing stardew valley when I was 14 so of course I had some savior complex but now that I've matured a little bit I can accurately say that she needs to clean her own stuff up not my problem.
I'm sick and tired of being the hero to the entire freaking valley. Why can't they do anything for themselves? The rivers are full of trash, everything's broken, who fixes it up? That's right ME the farmer who JUST came to town. It's not enough that I have to revitalize my grandads decrepit old house and farm, but I have to revitalize the entire freaking town including building one of the villagers a house AND paying Willy to fix up his own freaking boat?! And they keep letting Lewis be the mayor WHY?? What does he even do to improve the town? He's had 30 freaking years!! At least the Governor seems impressed, he must really like soup. Maybe Stardew Valley deserves to get taken over my JojaMart.
I unfortunately relate to Penny a little closely. I apologize a lot but I am trying not to. Even my therapist has pointed out my apologizing as a thing I should try to do less and I am trying but it's a conditioned response from my childhood. I can't stop it anymore than I can stop the fear from taking over when people get angry and throw things across the room. I mean that doesn't happen very often but when it does it takes me all the way back to those days and I get trapped in my own fear for a good solid ten minutes. My therapist tells me that with trauma comes actual brain changes that lead to the fear response and conditioned responses and they are not easy to get rid of. But she is helping me to cope with them as much as possible. Honestly I wish I could just stop apologizing but it's so ingrained now that I might not be able to change it or lessen it. I keep trying to change it though, I hate having to apologize for existing.
So I made a save file where I decided to romance and marry Penny, and upon doing so... honestly, and this is going to sound pretty messed up, but the only thing interesting I found about her was her shitty living situation and upbringing. Other than that she was just so boring to interact with which is weird because I thought she'd be much more fleshed out or have more interesting things to say since she's supposed to be the nice smart one, at least from the vibes I've gotten from. I find Shane to work better as a regular NPC as opposed to being a marriage candidate, and thinking on that with Penny, it sort of works the same way. They work better as your friends that you can help out of such shitty situations, but not when you're seeing them as a marriage partner.
I know this is an old video, but in defense of Penny, I grew up in a very close situation like hers to the point I joked with my husband and said "ConcernedApe might as well send me royalties for my likeness in this character." Penny over-apologizes because when you're in an abusive and unloving home, it's a bargain/coping mechanism as to not get hit, yelled at, or berated. As for her being easily upset, well, once again it comes back to that home of hers.
Penny was the first person I ever married in stardew (and now the only bachelorette I marry because I want to, not to just see the cutscenes).I had a simillar childhood to Penny and I think that’s what pushed me to give her the bouquet after befriending her and seeing what her life was like. I know that at least I, when I was in a similar situation would’ve wished for someone to come sweep me off my feet, but maybe that’s just me. After you marry her, Penny does seem really happy, and that makes me feel so so happy for her, but at the same time, her schedule doesn’t change much after you marry her, she still teaches Jas and Vincent every Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday and I feel like that’s a good thing. Marrying Penny doesn’t stop her from achieving her goals- to make sure Jas and Vincent have somewhere to learn and a future ahead of them, and that’s great. The only cutscene I don’t like with her is the one with George, as a person who sometimes has to use a wheelchair (because my legs aren’t strong enough to hold me, I usually use crutches, but when traveling long distances I sometimes use my wheelchair) As you said, Penny did a bad thing by moving George; The wheelchair feels like a part of my body (at least for me) considering it’s there instead of my legs, so imagine just someone dragging you away when you *look* like you need help without asking first I do agree with one thing more than the others- I do really wish we’d see Penny grow more after she leaves Pam and gets married, but again, sadly that’s not how marriage works in Statdew Valley. That’s all sorry for writing paragraphs in the comments- really enjoyed the video!!
Oh man, I tried to like Penny, like I don't dislike her, but I just don't feel a lot about her, even though her story is similar to Alex, a story that actually touched me, hers doesn't touch me that much? I think it's the George scene and the 8 hearts scene that kind of sours me, like this scene feels so weird when you aren't trying to marry her (but this is a problem in a lot of the others bachelors too). In the end, she is like Abigail to me, I wanted to like her but it didn't happen.
Is because no of her heart events touch in deep her family situation with Pam and her father, you can only figure it out by dialogue. So it obviously won't hit you as hard as Alex crying at the beach.
@@mado-wh4jv that's true!! I never noticed that, like for Alex there is two whole scenes about this and there is none for Penny. Makes a lot of sense, thank you for the revelation 😔🙏
So the scene with Penny and George, here's why most of you are wrong. I've been a CNA for a brief period and it's one of the reasons I'll never be a nurse. Old people like George are like children, and are quick to anger or complaining about life, it's a maturity thing you either develop or lose over time. Yes of course Penny could have just asked George if he wanted to help but in the end she did the right thing, which is why George feels guilty afterwards. Life is all about staying positive and George chose to overreact. There are plenty of other elderly folks who would have easily said, "Oh my, thank you, I might have been here all morning...or after dark :D Thanks!" however in the real world this is a lesson to not become the grouchy old miserable man George has become, his life may not be perfect and the mining accident was a tragedy, but again this is no excuse for poor behavior when someone goes out of their way to make your day better or easier, because at the end of the day, all we have is each other, and way too many people overreact, get angry, and just in general attack others emotionally. These are all excuses we make for people who may be upset, but that isn't our fault. Penny has an alcoholic mother and lives in a trailer, does she choose to be hateful? No. Penny chooses to put her faith in others and chooses a life of positivity, something that is hard to do when all others around you do is complain and make life more difficult by being rude and hateful. Penny did nothing wrong and there's a reason you get friendship points by saying that was a nice thing you did and don't lose any friendship points with George over this trivial matter. Best wishes to everyone, and I hope this makes sense, because again, if we don't even have faith in each other, what's the point of trying to improve or make the world we live in a better place?
I get why people are tired of the “lol look the WOMAN can’t COOK how funny” trope, and there are definitely other aspects of Penny’s character that could, for lack of a better way to say it, appeal to a sexist mindset. But I like that it’s established she can’t cook because then I can cook meals for her everyday when we’re married and it feels a little more special than just handing your spouse their favorite object every once in a while.
It surprises me that of the bachelorettes, only two are actively hated--Haley (she was my first, but fine, I understand) and Penny. And in the latter case, it's solely due to the George scene. I've scene multiple wall of text length screeds ranting about Penny's gesture from Reddit to TV Tropes and now, this video appears to have caved to narcissists using disability as a cloak of righteousness. And the funny thing is in doing so, they defend a character who is objective a terrible person, who only grew deeper in viciousness with the passage of time.
I find Penny to be a nice, sweet, sort of a girl-next-door type of character. I definitely get how people feel like they need to ‘save her’ from the situation she’s living in. And I think that assumption is fairly valid. Maybe she fills the common trope of a girl getting saved by a ‘white knight’ but considering how many romance novels STILL follow this trope, it exists for a reason.
I hear you about the "Female Unable to Cook" trope. My wife was a great line cook and server but her food at home was always bland. It's fine 15 years later; I, however, have lost all my skills.
Never ever EVER touch, let alone move, someone's mobility aid without asking and receiving permission. I have seen that kind of inconsiderate BS land people in the ICU (where I used to work). Penny grew up as a neighbor to a man in a wheelchair and should know better. There is zero excuse for literally pushing George's chair, over uneven terrain since it was on the ground not the sidewalk, without asking or even WARNING him. She's lucky he didn't slide from that chair and break his hip or fracture his spine.
as sweet as penny is, i cant really bring myself to love her over the whole george cutscene. i guess its just me feeling offended by it as a disabled person myself it's just really patronising so i tell her off even though i lose friendship every save lol
I’ve never really thought much about the scene lol, maybe I just don’t look too deep into a bunch of pixels. As a disabled person I just don’t really mind it I understand why you’d feel that way though lol
I agree with you, and I’m an abled individual. I will take the friendship loss with Penny in this scene every time. Even from the first time I played this game, I really don’t like that she just steps in without asking George if he wants (not needs) help. We all know George is a grump who isn’t very tactful, so he probably would have refused in an impolite way, but that’s not a justification for literally pushing him aside and forcing help on him. It’s uncomfortable to watch, and I think Penny shouldn’t be encouraged by my character, regardless of her intentions.
I think that her dialogue when you rebuke her shows growing understanding of the situation though. It's a bummer to lose a few heart points, but in real life sometimes people also get a little upset having their position challenged. Even if they end up understanding they were wrong! Just my two cents as an outsider though!
Yeah same, if it wasn’t for that one cutscene Penny would definitely be my go to bachelorette. But that scene really ticks me off, I just can’t see past it
@@Leapalot See, this is what I find interesting. Because I agree that her response to being rebuked feels like she's genuinely trying to take in the entirety of the situation and where she went wrong. She doesn't argue with you about the idea that she was inconsiderate. And it's possible for her to look sad about more than one thing at once; like both the rebuke AND the fact that she wanted to help someone but made things worse instead. And I agree that it isn't unreasonable for her to be a little upset about having her presuppositions challenged. Nor does it mean that she can't be genuine in wanting to grow from the experience. So it's just... weird to me that people say that they want to see more growth from the characters, but refuse to acknowledge the signs of potential growth when we're given them.
i mean look at her portrait when you told her that what she did to george was wrong. she must find empathy for those with disabillities even if its in favor of the grump instead of the girl next door pretty hot
because of Penny's circumstances she seems older but in fact i believe she is just as old as Sam is so it makes sense that just like Sam she messes up and is not very mature yet!
I marry Penny every playthrough, she's worth it to me despite her flaws. I find her relatable as I also care and try to help people only for it to go wrong. Plus her 8 heart event hit me hard, seeing the no I don't think I'd be good at being a parent made me think I was looking to a mirror, I want to be a father but don't think I would be good at it. Oh sorry lol, here's a little donation Leapalot!
Hey thank you! 😁 That's a fair statement about parenting. I get why she loses friendship for it, but I think it should be okay for the player to admit that maybe they're not ready (Or might not ever be) to be a parent!
@@Leapalot according to the wiki you actually gain friendship points for saying that, unless concerned ape patched that out and the wiki hasn't been updated to reflect that.
Penny was my first, and still is my favourite spouse. But I do find it somewhat disappointing that she has one of the least interesting 14 heart scenes. Something that builds upon and maybe even resolves her relationship with Pam would be so much better for her than randomly decorating one room of your house.
Penny's my absolute favorite. She's clearly sweet and caring but is a victim of circumstance and because of that is never shown any real appreciation for her actions, at least until you come along. Also because of how awkward and fumbling she is (which is also probably due to her life situation), that also leads people to not appreciate her effort, even when it's legitimate. Then, when you finally show her the appreciation she's been lacking, she starts getting attached to you, which makes complete sense. She also just generally seems to become a happier and more confident person as you gain more hearts with her, at least while you're present. Her problems don't disappear, but she's able to deal with them a lot better once someone (you) starts finally treating her like a person and showing appreciation for her. At least for me, I didn't marry her because I wanted to save her. I did it because she's a kind, genuine, and selfless person. Unlike certain other bachelorettes whose names start with an H and end in "ailey," you don't have to coax Penny out of her shell for her to become a good person. *She's already a good person at heart when you meet her*, she just needs more support in order to thrive. Most people only see Penny for the results of her actions. I see Penny for the motives behind those actions. On the cooking part, yes, it's a tired trope of women not being able to cook, but I think there's more to it than just that. The food Penny cooks for you in her 6 heart cutscene is more than edible, in fact, it's quite nutritious, restoring somewhere around 150-200 energy (I don't remember exactly). Far from just being a silly woman who can't cook, this is a metaphor for Penny's whole character. On the outside, the food isn't very appealing based on appearance or even taste. But when you give it a chance and eat it, as bad as it tastes, it actually nourishes you quite a lot. Similarly Penny might not look very enticing on the outside, but if you put in the effort to get closer to her, you'll find that she's a deeply caring and compassionate person, who's deserving of way better than what she receives from everyone else.
Penny is one of the townsfolk I just don't interact with and that's because I married her once and felt how she kind of went stagnant. So since then, I kinda just don't go out of my way. She's on the level of Sam for me in regards to interest, which, sadly, isn't that high. If it was possible to help her get her own living situation and independence somewhere in the future, I probably would do the 8 hearts for her. But since that's not a thing, I'll just make do with saying 'hi' whenever I'm at the library.
This video made me want to ship Penny and Elliott xD Elliott, he is quite childish and stubborn, and yet, he is very very independent, and was courageous enough to leave his place and live on his own, I think he would mesh well with Penny in the way that they would have a lot of conversations about books, and they both have this flare of pretending they are on some other universe than real life xD Except Eliott shows it out, and Penny internalizes it, Elliott could make her express her fantasies out a little more and in a safe space too xD I think penny would be admiring Elliott's resolve to quit his home to pursue the life he dreams of. And she would bring a little more order into his life. Hm ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A ROMANTIC THING WHY AREN'T THEY FRIENDS THEY WOULD BE BEST FRIENDS
"Get everyone to 10 hearts" Sure. I have 50+ mods, and im still not familiar with everyone yet the skull cavern is waiting for me. I have met 52 out of 76... Omg what have i started
Me after watching: okay but while you have fair points, penny (minus childhood) reminds me a lot about my anxious self, plus once i moved in with my bf i learn what an absolute terrible *chef* i was…. Thankfully that skill has vastly improved since he was a trained chef and taught me lol
Penny act very passionately and unbothered of saying what she feels like about something, and sometimes have these awkward moments, but really, anyone here does'nt?? Getting intimately along with someone is very trial and error, as no one knows to not be awkward from birth, and it's not something you get to learn by simply watching people, awkward moments *will* happen, and hopefully you will feel weird about it, because that's how we learn social behavior. My thoughts about Penny are that she might've got along with this weird sensation, and really care more about expressing herself, be it talking or actions. Sure, I guess Penny atitude concerning George wasn't the best, and we can't properly see Penny's development in this regard, as the way the unmodded game progression is modeled, it doesnt give the appropriate room/time for the characters to reflect deeper about themselves and develop their personalities further. All of this said, y'know, when we are falling in love with someone, part of what we're in love with are reflections of ourselves. Maybe, those who get along with Penny, in some way, are dealing with their own social awkwardness expressing their feelings.
I like the traditional vibes. I think the george scene is blown out of proportion. They are neighbors and know each other. Its a small loss of friendship to say hey dont do that because her feelings are hurt jist like anyone else. You try to do a good thing and guess what people are mad at you because you did it wrong you will shut down. She works hard wants kids loves kids some call it boring but id rather have a wife then a gamer acholic artist etc. Sticks to the traditional vaules i like.
Out of all the marriages I've had in SDV, Penny feels the worst to me. At first you'd think that getting her in a better living condition and having a family is everything she wants, but when you get there... well, it's everything she wants. It's like she wants to dissolve as a person to become just a mother. Which is her full right, but at the same time she could be so much more. Ironically, that was the only playthrough in which I had no kids at all, because her eagerness questioned my character's (or my own) commitment. Bottom line: Being married to Penny never made me feel things. Building her and Pam a house did - but you don't need to romance her for that.
So, I think being a mom / homemaker is a valid choice of career path if that is good with her and her chosen partner. If it makes her happy, then that’s awesome! I think the bigger issue is that being a “parent who watches the home and maybe does a part-time thing on the side” is basically what all of the spouses do after marriage in Stardew. So, Penny’s career hopes don’t make her stand out as a candidate in the game, which is probably why it feels like she doesn’t have anything more to her.
What are you talking about? There's literally a heart event telling you "hey, this is the best bachelorette if you share her goals of building a family" (Will say sweet things about how a happy family you are), just as Abigail one says "This bachelorette is the one to go is you like exploring the mines" (will give you literally bombs for breakfast). I completely agree with the flaws of post marriage but that's a complain that can be attributed to every single other marriable npc. No one goes deeper than those character traits, no one move on, no one improves out a pseudo-"break your shell" character development that goes nowhere after you divorced them. I agree with your perspective on her, but it seems unfair to me that you don't recognized this very same flaw in all the other characters which you enjoyed.
She grew up with George, she knows him very well, im sure she knew he'd be grumpy but fine with it, you know, like he was Shes an adorkable awkward queen
Y’know the whole thing with marriage candidates kinda just fading into the background and dropping everything to live on the farm kinda reminds me of that one quote from Catherine: “Does life begin or end with marriage?”
I very much understand what the game was going for especially when it comes to the meal Penny makes. It's called being polite & encouraging. I think the "do you want kids" question options are...very poorly done. There's no "Maybe not right now." at best you could do is the "No I don't think I'd be good at it." The other 2 options are such deal breakers for players and obviously the last one stings personally for Penny. It's one of things that sometimes the game devs don't always think of & kind of rail road the player, (this games in Bioware games like Dragon Age or Starwars Kotor) where you get the strangest of options and where sometimes you can't let them down easy, it's either "Yes I'll marry you" or "PIss off creep." There's no in between. Sometimes it's just not as intuitive as we players would like.
I admit I married Penny to save her but she is my type ,shy, redhead and she's cute as hell. I have only played through once the only other woman I might go after is Leha.
I went with Penny my first playthrough because I really didn't like any of the other marriageable female NPCs. To me, Penny seems like a vanilla choice. Like how a lot of the story beats are things that a lot of people have seen before. Maybe that's just me though.
I wish I liked Penny 😔 I find her relatable on multiple counts but I feel that she constantly feels sorry for herself and that's it. everytime I talk to her she sounds like she's on the verge of tears! like ok girl we get it but stop apologizing omg. I don't feel strongly about her either way and I really want to like her but she's just so.. boring. and how sensitive she is too is a turn off for me. along with wanting a big family we just aren't compatible. I do want her to be happier though, but not enough to marry her. also, I've never seen the 'feminine character can't cook' trope before! I didn't even know it was common enough to be a trope lol
i always romance penny cuz i like how soft and nice she is, but i absolutely hate the way she becomes a robot when you marry her lmao. that's why i never get married anymore
The more I play the game the more I get tired of pretending to agree with penny in her heart events to make her happy... It feels so fake. I just like her because of the 14 heart event and because I think her sprite is really cute. I also love the aesthetic of her spouse room.
I like how this game is a bit more complex than it appears at a glance. It can have some surprisingly deep moments. I do agree though a bit, I do kinda wish the story of the wife/husband continued a bit after marriage. But as it is, it’s still fairly good, and I admittedly don’t mind too much that not all the characters change a lot. I would like it if that happened, but it’s not something that I feel it absolutely needs.
Penny and Shane have savior complex vibes, hence why ive never been interested in either of them. I do like them sure, but not enough to marry. Im all for helping someone through alcoholism and being there for someone in a toxic household, but a relationship developing in that time as well...that seems odd to me. It could just be me, idk. Thats just how i feel.
Love these videos! I personally never cared for Penny. I know she has a tragic back story but she doesn't show a lot of agency and she's just so.. sensitive? I guess. I wish more for her than to end up on a farm in the same town that she is stuck in.
As bad as "Pam passes out on the couch" sounds, the reality is that Pam chooses to sleep on the couch while giving Penny the bedroom. She has shown before that she loves and cares for her daughter. That said, Pam is still a problematic mother. She's embarrassed by her situation and that's why she doesn't like people visiting her home or judging her and Penny. She's probably experienced a lot of hardship and that makes her a harsh mother. Not that it excuses her behavior -- Penny is a more insecure and depressed person for it. But it's a very realistic dynamic.
Pam gives me "I had abusive parents" vibes. I think her parents either abused her, or committed $ui¢id3
Pam is going through depression - that should be evident. But she does her very best to take care of Penny. She's far from perfect - her addiction and state rub off on Penny, which probably makes her drink even more...
I legit didn’t realise Penny was reading under the tree in the game lmao. I just thought she was *really* depressed and was staring at the grass.
That's a mood.
ME TOO
Wait is she not ? I thought she was sadly picking grass until I saw this comment
SAME lmao, I thought she was playing with the grass being all depressed
Her question about having kids is always really funny to me because I've always already had kids with someone else when I get this cut scene. I always want to say "Yes Penny I have kids already. They're the children following my husband around at all the town events" That being said, none of the mirage candidates seem to remember that you are married. Either that or they're all intentionally flirty with a married person.
Same, I always get 8 hearts with the marriage candidates when I am already married and it just makes them all sound thirsty for a married farmer, like calm down girly, do you really think I am going to leave my perfect himbo husband for you?? 😭😭😭
I almost don't want this too change because is really funny
That's why I downloaded the remember my marriage mod 😭
@@flor_eyletmez now I gotta remember to download that lol
@@flor_eyletmez there's truly a mod for everything, I love this community
This is why you get the polygamy mod so you can have both
The only thing I found strange about Penny was something she said about Vincent, it wasn't something horrible or anything like that, it's just a small contradiction. You see, in one of Penny's dialogues she talks about children's studies and says that Jas is very good at two specific subjects, but when she goes to talk about Vincent she stops like she doesn't have anything positive to say about his grades and says he has a lot of imagination, but there's a problem, at Vincent's house there's a paper with his grades, and it's possible to see that he got at least B in most subjects and an A in sports. I don't know much about this grading system but it doesn't look that bad, especially for such an active child, but in the previous dialogue Penny doesn't say that Vincent is good at sports or anything like that even though he got a good grade in that subject. I thought it was strange that she didn't remember something she did herself since she wrote the note about Vincent's grades, but there's nothing positive to say about him when talking to us, except Jas, she says two subjects that Jas is good at, but doesn't say the one that Vincent is good at...yeah, everyone has their favorites, even if it's just a little bit...
I made a video about Vincent a while back, so I went back to check real quick!
He got:
Reading: C
Spelling: D
Math: C
Social Studies: B-
Art: B-
Sports: A
Assuming a US grading system, that would mean his GPA is currently 2.5 which is a C, but it's being bolstered by that physical education class.
Food for thought!
@@Leapalot yeah, my only concern is Vincent at least is good in this subject, Penny doesn't say that, but said the two subjects Jas is good at.
Yeah
He doesn't even have to be a perfect student to the standard of common education system
He has the right to be encouraged in those subjects he is gud at so that he could get better!
And also
He is still a child, and his mom is very depressed
Having that genuine encouragement could help him become way better smh :(
Sometimes there isn’t much you can say nice about a student concerning academics but still be fond of them. There’s also a chance that she’s grading him on a generous learning curve because she probably does like him a lot but doesn’t want to lie to Jodi.
it sounds like she's failing him as a teacher by using a "one-size-fits-all" teaching strategy
I don't actually pursue much female NPCs but after befriending Penny, I had the urge to save her from her situation. She's the only bachelorette I married plus I get a Strawberry themed room 😅
To be honest, I only married her for the room decor 😅 but i like being friends and it would be in real life if she existed, to keep her company and help, but the rest is up to her.
I married Abi but it was a tough call as they both want to move out.
I usually pick Penny just because I feel like her married schedule still feels like she's as much as art of the community as she was before
Whereas some of the others feel like they withdraw a lot from everyone else
All the marriage candidates, from what I have seen, have that vibe of being the main character of their own story until suddenly the farmer sweeps in and solves their major life issues with love and marriage. We never get to see these characters solve their issues on their own. To be fair, the farmer is the main character and a large part of the game's appeal is in its wish fulfillment. A good future development would be to see how the characters you don't marry continue on and solve (or don't solve) their life problems.
Yeah. I would love to see further development of them towards their goals, like a second post-marriage/ post-not getting married with the farmer chapter of their lives, reflected in changes in their patterns in the world and in what they say. It would also be nice if others could get married to each other, especially if the farmer could help encourage certain ones if none of the pre-determined ones are to their liking (with their being pre-determined romances between different sets of characters then a secondary one that happens if the farmer marries one or the other of them unless the farm coaxes a character towards someone else) then the farmer's kids could grow up and have other children they hang out with that are around their age. (And Penny could have a questline to get help getting an official teaching license if she doesn't have one already, which is kinda up in the air and would be a good next ). Serious changes could then have sprung from the farmer's introduction to how Pelican Town develops that would likely never quite be the same from player to player, especially depending on how the children's personalities might be made.
Though I would argue with Sebastian, it's one story where moving in with the farmer actually does work as a next chapter for his story. He wanted an escape from his house and at first that only escape seems to be to save enough from his job to move into the city. But while he hates his living situation, he also still likes his friends in town and the nature around him. Then the farmer comes and he now has another option, one with a spouse that is willing to take part/understand his hobbies and his work and understands the desire for a fresh start, but also doesn't require him to move far from everything he does love. Then once married, his job most easily allows him to be the spouse that stays at home and looks after the kids while the farmer's off mining or simply busy in the fields. He's also able to work on connecting with his mom again now that the stress of being at the house is gone and he finds new hobbies/things to do and comes out of his shell like collecting frogs and helping around the farm, even requesting the slime hutch (even as I really wish that he would also help with the slime hutch and would beg concerned ape to add that in so that he's not simply asking me to do something that he doesn't take part in at all. I solely got that because he wanted it) that help him develop a new zest for life that helps him not be depressed like he was before while all feeling very in character. I would like to play more of the Stardew version of D&D with him sometimes as a bit of a unique date night and a storyline where he's actually dealing with his family ties more now that he's out of the house and can be helped to reconcile with them or to cut out the ones out of his life he really shouldn't need to deal with. But otherwise, Sebastian's story actually has a satisfactory conclusion in being with the farmer and so I would argue is a large part of why everyone likes his romance story.
@@marykateharmon Yes!! so much yes!!
I think Shane is the one exception. He addresses his alcoholism, his depression appears improved. He finds something he loves (his chickens, especially the blue ones) But if you marry him he backslides big time. He's the NPC whose lifenis better if you stay besties and never marry.
This is why Emily is so great to me.
She doesn't need you to solve her issues or give directions for her passions. Everything she does, she does them all on her own and even welcomes the player to join her if we want.
Honestly, the only bachelor(ette) that I could consider an equal to the Farmer.
@@dmin5782 Tbh I feel the same about Harvey. Like he still runs his clinic, tunes into ATC radio, and pulls an American medical system on me when I go collapse in the mines. Which I know a lot of people dislike, but I actually kinda like it, in a weird way. Like Harvey still treats his job the same, and truth is, I'm probably the one using up the worst of his resources, so I can afford to subsidize his career lol
Penny is the textbook definition of someone with a combative/abusive parent and little to no parental guidance. She wants to be independent and break free of the restrictive life she's had to lead so far. But with no real role model to look up to and take inspiration from, she fumbles, especially because fiction often provides unrealistic expectations on how achievements should go. She's too ashamed of letting people in because of her home life to really have friends, which stifles her even more, and she's too afraid to really speak her mind to anyone because she's so accustomed to not being able to speak it at all. When she does finally open up to the farmer, it's her being able to move on from having a life so controlled by her mother.
I like Penny a lot, and, a part of that is because... I relate to her heavily. We have a lot of the same interests, speech patterns, history, and the same complicated relationship with our mothers. Penny feels very real to me. While troubled home lives can be nightmarish tales of horrific abuse by cruel, evil-hearted people... they can also be this.
(Also I agree with you so much on the "feminine women can't cook" trope. My problem with it is that it's always treated like a flaw of her as a person, and it's always characters like Penny who would be otherwise ideal "housewives". Smells like old-fashioned misogyny to me.)
It does seem that after marriage her cooking improves. Maybe she was just starting to learn in the heart scene. Being a housewife seems to be her genuine goal in life.
I also relate to her a lot because of all this, I am in an almost identical situation to her, except maybe even more restrictive... and that's the reason I don't like her much, oddly enough. Sometimes if something hits TOO close to home you just don't want to deal with it in an escapist game like that. But she is a complex character, which is good.
I'm glad someone was able to put how I feel about Penny in words for me. Also Penny can cook better than me, I've managed to burn boiled eggs before and if I try to use my stove or oven I'm almost guaranteed to start at least a small fire.
Yes! Thanks for saying trad housewife haters are low key misogynistic. There’s nothing shameful about wanting to be a homemaker.
While I hate the trope in general, I think it fits Penny well. It's heavily implied that Pam's idea of cooking is microwaving Stouffer's, and they can't exactly afford to throw away an inedible meal to really give her a chance to learn. How could she possibly be good at cooking? I think one big flaw with Penny's characterization is that all of the teaching stuff makes it seem like she's Pelican Town's elementary teacher which would mean she's relatively old, but that's not true. She's the same age as Sam/Abigail/Maru/Haley which is to say 19ish. She's just tutoring Jas/Vincent because Marnie and Jodi feel bad about what happened to Pam, it's an easy way for them to help out, she loves kids, and Vincent could definitely use a tutor anyway.
Another good use of the trope is in the Quintessential Quintuplets. Though that's a trope reversal so it arguably doesn't count. Especially because it's a real trope reversal and not the usual "haha isn't it crazy how anime is so pervy? Anyway here's a pervy thing that we can now show with good conscious because we made fun of it being pervy."
The friends point is really common and just wrong though. She's really, really close with Maru and Sam0. She is presumably friendly with Jodi/Kent/Marnie/Shane/Robin/Demetrius between the tutoring and being so close with Maru+Sam. She may not be the most popular person in town, but she has a completely normal amount of friends for the game. Which makes sense given that she's a wallflower. It would be weird if she was the life of the party.
People don’t like that telling her the truth hurts her feelings, but isn’t that realistic? Yeah, you lose hearts with her, because she’s embarrassed by being admonished by a relative stranger, or because you don’t like her heartfelt gesture. But, you can earn those hearts back. What people are really annoyed with is that they “game” Penny’s responses because they don’t want the hassle of needing to re-earn her hearts. But sometimes being honest requires sacrifice, and if you want a healthy relationship, you may need to put in the extra work.
Yeah, this is half the hatred for Demetrius right here.
You don't understand. If I don't power game her friendship, I'll have to give her a whole extra poppy. Do you know how much that costs? Like 100g and a fraction of a salmonberry. How could I possibly recover from such a devastating loss?
It's not just a Penny thing , I think players have more of a problem with how it seems like the game itself (aka CA) is telling you that what she did was right, by not only punishing you from disagreeing with her but mostly by making George *apologize* to her when he really shouldn't.
This felt like it was, not unfairly, calling me a hot mess. Penny was the first marriage candidate I chose and it wasn't in an attempt to save her or anything, just because she shared a bunch of common traits and interests with me. I still really like her, she likes reading, cares, wants to help others, and doesn't let a rough life turn her into a rough person. We can just be a hot mess together
I identify heavily with the awkward well-intentioned but poorly-executed side of Penny… I also always viewed her as one of the more mature/adult candidates due to her teaching job and how she’s always cleaning up after Pam (or it seemed that way to me). I also really liked that when married to her, she still goes and teaches the kids and even does some grocery shopping and stuff for you… busy busy woman. I have a lot of respect for someone trying their best to make good out of a bad situation.
She strikes me as someone who was raised having to do a lot of stuff herself, without anyone to rely on to teach her valuable life skills, and now she's starting to face the fact that while she knows how to survive and take care of her mother, and just because she read something in a book doesn't mean she knows how to do it.
As someone who is in a similar situation to Penny, yes. I had to learn pretty much everything from books or the internet because mom just never thought about teaching me how to do anything. It's really not the same as having someone teach you this.
I really lile Penny, but can't really stand the George scene. Imagine if you put yourself in George's place: would you want to be pushed out of the way for someone to get a letter in the mail for you? I know I wouldn't. I think Penny always tries to do right, but winds up making the situation worse. Another great video Leap, keep up the good work!
I think is a good scene, if we take out the "George you stupid ungrateful old timer should apologize" that he apologizing seems to imply, I also think Penny lost of hearts is realistic since she genuinely cares about George and Evelyn as her secret note letters implied, but here she feels that you're ganging against her for no reason.
Yeah I have a disability and hate it when people "help" without asking.
@@stargazer6097 do you crucify them for helping, though, or do you in your heart understand that they were only trying to help? People are being extra harsh on Penny while she's only trying to help.
I understand that a lot of times we don't wanna be helped, but isn't it fair to also put ourselves in Penny's shoes, since we're already doing that for George?
Penny's probably looking for any situation to include herself in to give herself a sense of "usefulness", because with a mom like Pam, who can't get enough of blaming Penny for every little thing, she probably never felt like she's useful enough, good enough. She's craving the feeling of people thanking her and appreciating her because she almost never have felt that way her entire life with this type of mom.
So, yes. Geroge's annoyance is justified, but so is Penny's attempt at helping. We always side with the person that seems like the victim, and that's totally understandable, but there's no victim here, there's just a misunderstanding between two adults who didn't make a fuss about it and just went on with their lives.
I like the updated version more than the old one. In the old one, the line the farmer says when admonishing Penny is about her "making George grumpy" which feels dismissive of George's feelings and doesn't address what she actually did wrong.
I’m not physically disabled yet some man picked me up to move me at a festival because he wanted to be at the barricade. Trust me when I say I felt violated. While yes George reacted strongly, I understand it entirely. Imagine how many times this had happened to him. I wish the player was allowed to disagree with Penny more while showing her it’s okay just be better and continue to learn and accept others. But oh well
I'm a terrible person in SDV in that I marry Penny so she'll make me a cool bedroom and then I divorce her so I can share my cool bedroom with Krobus.
I'm so glad I'm not alone on this LMFAOOOO
I considered doing that (love the starry night room), but the thought of being mean to Penny hurt so much that I modded my game instead! XD
You could still get the different sets with the furniture catalogue?
@@heath6802 I think the declaration penny does brings exclusive items no?
The strawberry stuff isn't available in the catalogue :(
@@heath6802 and also
Even if it was available
Catalogue is less accessible than marriage KEKEKKEKEKEKE
YOU CAN GET YOUR FAVORITE THEMED HOUSE QUIQUER THAN GETTING ALL THAT GOLD FOR THE CATALOGUE
I completely feel Penny, especially with the “caring about something, trying to help, getting scolded, and retreating into fiction again” part. Having grown up in a similar situation, I often just stop trying immediately after a screwup and just go back into escapism.
With George, I don’t think the friendship loss is her disliking you because you didn’t agree with her. Rather, I think it’s because this new person she just met saw what a screw-up she thinks she is and doesn’t want to interact with you because of that negative case. Her six heart event having the neutral option being telling her it’s bad could be seen as her being comfortable with you in that manner, now.
I just do wish she got her own arc instead of it being “get married everything’s good now.” I know that ruins the fantasy for a lot of people, but more could’ve been done than you swooping in and saving her, taking away her chance to get better.
if you think about it, getting married, having kids is her goal. Some people hate it because they can't relate to this goal and think it's somehow wrong because of that or treat her like she is stupid because she has a "basic" goal in life. But I think if that's what she actually wants, that's her choice and saying she needs "an actual goal" is pretty fucked up
penny has always been my favorite bachelorettes. when i would tell people, they said she was "boring" and had nothing going on for her, but they just didn't bother to pay attention to her story. i always related to her, too, because of the escapism and always wanting to help. she's a good character, i wish people would appreciate her more 😔
Someone else was kind of shocked when they saw Penny's front portrait? 😅
all respect to concernedape, but i kind of wish he hadn't made that portrait XD
@@Valentina-mv2ux why cuz its horrifying?
@@ballz_XLI yes, it is uncanny
@@Valentina-mv2ux weird tbh
Timestamp?
My interpretation of Penny's character is that living in the trailer with Pam, she never gets the chance she needs to actually shine; she's like a candle under a bushel. Marrying the farmer allows her to thrive in a way she never could while taking care of her mother. I don't buy the idea of marrying Penny to 'save' her; i married her in my game because she's a sweetheart and I liked her.
That is so cute 😭😭
honestly, penny trying and failing and then slowly retrying again is kinda realistic for the character we see of her
Penny is the character I can relate to the most in Stardew. I do think along the lines of getting her out of her situation, but also I think she can do a lot of good if someone is there backing her up and making sure she has a safety net to learn from her mistakes and get better. I personally have the same issue: I care a lot about people, but being Autistic, I cannot always read people correctly, and I have to explicitly learn what to most is nature. Even my IRL partner has a lot in common with Penny (though she is Ace, and her mental status and upbringing are far worse).
I suppose to address the “woman who can’t cook” trope, I think it serves a purpose and fits well if it doesn’t become a primary flaw. This is bearing in mind that the trope of a women being unable to cook, regardless of the light it’s placed in, has involvement in reflecting or going against traditional gender roles. At its core, it originally served as a criticism towards women - oh, she’s an otherwise amazing person, but can’t cook, so she’s no longer appealing. This shifted over time, with feminism and the like, into something that was embraced in writing women, embracing that the fact she isn’t good at cooking but still a perfectly capable human being. She’s flawed, but there’s nothing wrong with her flaws, in a society that has embraced a mentality of perfectionism in women.
And overall, I think much like other traits and flaws, so long as it’s not their primary trait or flaw without the context fitting that, it’s fine. I see no harm in having a female presenting character, or any character period, not even be able to boil water, or even be a top level chef, but the key is that these are details that round out a character, not a singular skill or flaw that overrides everything else (unless of course your story is about their cooking trials, in which case go with it).
The overall goal is a dynamic character, and I think for Penny, not being able to cook isn’t necessarily a primary trait, but more a broader reflection of a common theme: she has good ideas, but doesn’t do well at putting them into action. And perhaps a bit of perfectionism in that she expects it to go well, and if it doesn’t she’s just devastated, without a push to learn and grow from the failure. Which frankly probably goes a lot into her psyche from her neglected living situation.
Penny is the first person I married in my first game, I always wanted to save her (as someone who does have an abusive family) however looking back i always saw her in a more platonic way. She's a sweetheart that deserves better and it feels wrong to leave her with pam
Yes that’s what I feel too! Like platonically I want her to move in. Because she clearly needs some space and you can’t save people, especially relatives. And I just think she’s a nice character too. She always tries to do the right thing even if she really messes it up sometimes
I kinda hate that in that question about children there's no way to tell her that you don't want kids without losing friendship. I mean, there is, but in that one she tries to change your mind anyway
Penny's scene with George turned me off, especially because like mentioned in the video, her losing fp when you try to correct her or don't lie to preserve her feelings. Her (and Haley) not knowing how to cook makes sense to me. I doubt Pam taught her how, nor did Pam teah her how to properly manage a house, which was implied when you build their house and Penny expresses how difficult it is to keep it clean. But I do agree that the trope is played out, overall.
It's interesting to me that only a few of the romance-able characters have good backgrounds. Sam has an absent father and has to comfort Vincent about his fears, Sebastian is neglected by his step father, Maru's father is controlling and possessive, Shane had depression and likely PTSD, Leah has an abusive ex, Alex's father was abusive and his mother died, leaving him to be raised by his grandparents who are in an unhealthy marriage. The only ones with "normal" backgrounds are Haley and Emily (whose parents left to travel but both are adults and can care for themselves), and Harvey and Elliot (who we get almost no background for apart from their jobs)
I had an actual reddit slapfight with some dude over Penny’s 2-heart scene. Yes, redditpal, we all DO need to be 100% perfect at not moving other people’s bodies without their permission.
You're making it sound like Reddit ISN'T crucifying Penny over the George scene
@@Cephas SOmeones account got deleted for defending george and people made ablest comments such as wheel that bitch outta here. So sadly no penny doesnt get near enough flack for being abelist
I dont get how it's wrong when he ends up not caring that much anyways. he couldn't reach the letter and he wasn't going to reach it. George needed the help and though Penny was a bit presumptuous, she was still trying to help.
@@noname-gh1vr Victims prioritize their victim status over any and all other considerations. If they themselves are not victims, then its their duty to be offended on behalf of other victims (even if the victim himself takes no offense). This is what it means to be a good ally.
@@Cephas can you explain that please? I don't quite understand how it applies and I don't want to respond ignorantly.
My impression of Penny is that she suffers from depression. I think she is my least favorite marriage candidate cause the game wants you to lie or encourage bad behavior as you get rewarded in universe with more hearts for doing so. That struck me as a very bad dynamic to fall into and Penny just gives me the vibe of someone who would be massively codependent. Like, that can be really bad and maybe it just hits close to home but it is why I do not like her as a marriage candidate. She views the farmer and having kids as fixes to her life, as things that will break her out of her depression. That was my impression. It's kinda weird, but I actually started to like Haley as a candidate. Like she is totally mean to you at the beginning but as she gets more hearts with you you see her grow so much. She becomes a lot more open minded and willing to try new things based on her dialogue. When I first played I hated her for how she initially treats the farmer, so I find it funny that she is now my go to batchelorette. Also, the deadly cook is an overused trope, I see it so much in anime and sitcoms that it just is a beaten down joke that is centered on like, "woman bad" humor. It would be cool to have more cases of one person is able to cook but the other is really good, or if one person can't cook have them ask for help in learning because usually an adult recognizes playing with fire can be bad if you don't know what to do. Or maybe both or no one is a good cook. I dunno, deadly chef is just overdone and gets more of a groan of boredom than any jovial sensation at this point for me.
Spy x Family gets a pass because it actually works in character and Yor is trying to improve.
@@marykateharmon I thought she was perfectly fine at cooking and Anya was just saying it was bad to get what she wanted
Kinda funny how she's paired up with Sam since he has the same issue.
Why can't we just say "Women can cook but most of them.are not master chefs"?
It’s crazy that Penny’s father feels trapped yet trapped them in a life of poverty in an effort to free himself. Ofc don’t stay in an environment you’re not happy in but also… idk I can’t help but think he ran off with Pammy’s money. But that’s also “I know this person but not that person” bias.
Also tbh I relate to Pam’s “don’t touch my stuff” arguments. Like I’m fine with people helping but it’s prob best to help when I’m there too so I know where things are 😅
6 hearts drop?! holy is that the biggest heart loss in the game outside trying to date everyone and getting caught
It is bigger than dating everyone.
I despise that I have to lie to her to become friends. It's not okay to just grab someone's wheelchair, especially while they are in it!!! But telling her that just makes her upset. Specifically in her 8-heart scene, it sucks that you lose friendship if I tell her the truth, that I'm just not a fan of kids. She acts like having different opinions about your own future plans is a friendship deal-breaker. We're still only friends at 8 hearts, why can't we just disagree?
I always tell her she shouldn't have moved him. I do not care if she hates me more
My defense for the kids aspect would be that if the idea is that you're getting hearts with her in order to marry her, it's best to agree on whether you want kids or not before marriage, so that would literally be a deal-breaker for her if you both aren't a fan of kids and don't want a large family like she does. Think of how terrible it would be in real life if one person wanted a large family of seven/eight kids and the other could only barely assent to having one child if even that, and they were thinking of getting married. The different marriage candidates are not meant for everyone to reflect real life and that is a major example of why.
(More wish that if you married Penny, you really could have that large family in game).
To be fair, a lot of folks see her losing friendship points in the 2-heart scene as her being embarrassed or feeling like you dislike her. Plus, irl, if you call ppl out on things they do wrong, it may sting a bit and they may feel awkward for a while. As for the whole kids thing, depending on how you answer, the points lost aren’t rlly that much. The biggest loss in points you can get in that event is if you decline to be a guest speaker and say you hate kids (which is pretty harsh admittedly, hell, the kids r right there too lol). I see these things as learning experiences for Penny since she seems like she doesn’t get out much. But, everyone experiences the game differently I suppose.
I think the game animation takes that scene out of context. I think the idea of the scene was that George was having difficulty getting his mail, so Penny who was very close by, helped him get it. Almost like holding a door open for someone who has their hands full with groceries.
@@ominousflames14 There's an issue with that idea, though, and that is that Penny wasn't politely holding a door open and waiting for George to make his way through it. Forgive me if my memory of the scene is a bit foggy, but from what I can remember, Penny notices George struggling, says "let me help you," and then _immediately_ takes hold on his wheelchair, pushes him out of the way, and grabs the mail from the mailbox for him.
A wheelchair is a mobility device. Pushing someone's wheelchair is, in abled terms, similar to picking someone up and carrying/dragging them around. The issue isn't that Penny wanted to help, or even assumed George needed help, but that she moved him without his consent. Had she asked beforehand, there would be a lot less to complain about in the scene.
Some of Penny's heart events were kinda funny in my latest playthrough, I saw her 4 heart event after I bought them their house, which made it even worse, I mean when you buy them the house Pam said that she wanted them to be like a real family, yet here she is, screaming at her daughter merely days after they got a new home.
Her 8 heart event was also funny but in a lesser way, she asked me about wanting kids and I stared at her like, girl I'm married with 2 kids, YOU WENT TO MY WEDDING!!
Bit of a Necro, but does the house show up in the cutscene, or is it back to being a trailer for said cutscene?
I think she has a heart of gold and she actually keeps her work and hobbies after marriage.
While Penny stays on my friend list, as an absurdly successful farmer I’m happy to help her (and Pam) out where I can.
In her scene with George I do criticise and take the loss of points. To me (biased bc I’ve been there) it’s a case of her mistaking niceness for kindness, that she could readily learn from if the game allowed.
Beyond that I give her props for trying to help others, even with all the reasons she has to feel inadequate to the task. It’s no small feat for someone to give what they’ve scarcely received.
Re bad cooking, I mind the trope less than the social presumption of “the woman does the home cooking” that it builds on 😔
Meanwhile the farmer can instantly make any recipe!
(PS Let Penny enjoy poppies, she’s still lucid enough to resist the power of rabbit’s feet 😅)
Penny is my least favorite marriage candidate. It just feels so much to me like she was "planted" in the game for people who want to sweep a poor troubled girl off her feet and give her a happy ending. I've even seen some people say they feel guilty for NOT marrying her! I'd really prefer if she had more of an arc of becoming more confident and self assured, not just becoming singularly obsessed with the farmer and their future family. Maybe she could start a little one-room schoolhouse or something? Idk, her story is depressing if you don't marry her because then she never gets the family she wants, but even if you marry her she still doesn't have any real growth.
most candidates don't get any story end
@@slvaltva1392 no spoilers but enough of them kinda do, so far the ones i have seen that mention/show them pursuing their careers or conclude their story arc are Sam, Sebastian, Shane, Alex, Elliott, Abigail and Haley to name a few. Penny kinda just.. redecorates your room with exclusive furniture which is pretty neat
It may not slap you as hard in the face as it does for say, Shane (we'll ignore the backtracking when you actually marry him), but she absolutely does gain more confidence as you progress through her relationship. In the 4 star event she stands up for herself and let's Pam know how much her alcoholism is hurting her. In the 6 star event she goes out on a whim and learns how to cook )poorly) for you, her canonical crush at this point. In her 10 star event she confesses her feelings (granted you're already dating at that point, but that's borne by game mechanics rather than narrative as shown by so many 10 star events being first kisses or similar). Those are all pretty big steps for somebody who starts at assuming no stranger would want to talk to her. There's also the very missable upper relationship dialogues where she not so subtly implies getting married to you while giggling.
In general the "savior" thing being so common is wild. She's a really kind but shy person. The "a challenge to break through the cold outershell but very worth it once you do" trope. If that's not your thing whatever I guess, but let's not pretend that you don't understand why somebody would find that appealing.
I will give points for Penny giving me the only opportunity where I feel like I can agree with George about something.
Then, of course, he chooses that moment backtrack instead of sticking to his guns for something that he’s actually justified in being annoyed about.
I think the reason the "I don't want to be tied down" answer doesn't drop as much is because you KNOW you don't want that to happen. I think the farmer doesn't want to hurt their family, so they'd rather just not get close to people to begin with.
Penny was one of those characters that I never really befriended in my play through, so it’s interesting to see her character scenes. She does feel kind of underdeveloped as a character though
I love Penny, but you make some good points. It’s one reason why I got the the Penny expanded mod, it actually makes her feel like her own characters, doing stuff by herself.
Penny's more interesting if you assume that she'll fall in love with and marry Sam in the future (as the Flower Dance partners might imply).
The farmer offers almost too much support. Unlike some of the other bachelors, Penny isn't nearly as driven by personal goals - she needs external motivation, and with a rich partner who is literally good at everything, there's nothing even remotely uncomfortable enough in her life to do that.
Not only do Sam and Penny have a much more equal relationship where they'd both need to step up to build their independent lives, their personal weaknesses become something that helps the other grow and improve as people. Penny encourages Sam to be more mature, but that same immaturity encourages Penny to be more creative, and to view things in a different light that she wouldn't have felt about to do when being a child in poverty with an unfit parent.
Plus children's entertainer and elementary teacher just make such a nice duo to think about!
Penny doesn't have father figure to guide her
so she just trying, yes she is bad at it
but her motivation is good just not the right way
Penny is one of the characters I prefer to just be friends with and I think I would be friends with her if she were a real person, not only because of my sexuality, but also because I don't feel anything else and marrying her helps, but something is missing, i think she has to do it herself. The characters could really leave the valley for a while, I'm glad some like Jodi can go to ginger island and get a taste of what it's like to travel to new places.
I don’t mind helping her get out of the hole she’s fallen into. Using helping Penny as a reason for marriage though sounds like it would be unhappy to say the least after you’ve burnt out.
She goes to Ginger Island too, sometimes.
I've married Penny before, but her story is too much like real life, lol! I feel like she would make a great wife for Harvey. Give me books and a non-threatening farming game any day!
Ooh this is a pairing I've never considered before but it would be so cute!
Please ConcernedApe, give us the ability to matchmake marriage candidates we don't marry!
I agree! If Penny is not that young, she and Harvey would make a great pair. Harvey can give her the stability and love she deserves.
Penny was my first spouse. That was back in 1.0, before they added the spouse room, so I've never actually seen hers.
I really like Penny because of her honest mistakes. It's relateble!
One odd thing about Penny's dynamics with the other villagers as well is that she seems to be friendly with both Sam and Maru (you can see them hanging out around town and at events) yet those relationships are barely acknowledged. Vincent makes like, one comment alluding to Penny and Sam potentially having a romantic inclination toward each other, but no one ever mentions Maru (that I know of at least) even though they sit together in town all the time, presumably hanging out.
Yep, I found it weird that people went on and on about she being lonely and even in this video itself that happened, despite I thinking that it is clearly not the case? After all, she seems to be friends with both of those and also I believe that she is definitely friends with Jodi, she wouldn't give classes to her son without knowing much about her and I personally think that both would blend pretty well with each other
Absolutely love Penny, unless I go into a save with a specific marriage candidate in mind, I always end up going for Penny. As with all marriage candidates it would be nice to see them be more involved after marriage, but who knows what the future brings.
i like penny, but i really do wish her arc ended differently. maybe after getting out, she could work towards getting a teaching certificate? i just wish she got to do something purely for herself, you know?
I know this comment of mine is 10 months late, but there is actually a mod that touches upon this, where after marriage the 14 heart event will change to being able to help pay for Penny to go on a training course to get said teaching certificate, it's pretty nice addition I think :)
I don't exactly remember how this dialogue option comes up, but at some point the kids tell on Penny, something about Vincent saw his brother helping her up a tree or something. To me it suggested she might be somewhat romantically interested in Sam and not just the farmer
That's during her 8 heart scene. ConcernedApe stated that by this point in your relationship she's no longer interested in Sam and that he didn't mean to imply a relationship there. 😁
Well intentioned but ends always as a hot mess... Nothing ever described myself more.
Finally, my favorite NPC! Sorry if I get carried away, but I've never had a chance to express my feelings about this character. I'll try to be brief:
I don't know why most players that marry Penny choose her. As for me, she was the character that hooked me up from the very beginning... because I too came from a complicated house with drinking and finance problems and fled to fantasy worlds. I too find myself, up until this day unfortunately, dreaming about going somewhere else and starting over with someone good and nice, and discovering what a real family should feel like. I fell in love with this NPC because I felt like she was a well written character, just a really nice person to have around. I've married her in every file faithfully from 2016 up until today, except for my most recent one, because I married a player (uurrg, 3D love, i know, ew) with whom I'm gonna move out shortly and write my own fantasy story 🥰
Oh, I also find it really cool that Penny's dream is to have a big family and just live well and we can help her with that. Most other players just give up on their dreams after marrying and that upsets me. Makes me think I'm being abusive idk.
Penny was my first spouse I started playing stardew valley when I was 14 so of course I had some savior complex but now that I've matured a little bit I can accurately say that she needs to clean her own stuff up not my problem.
I'm sick and tired of being the hero to the entire freaking valley. Why can't they do anything for themselves? The rivers are full of trash, everything's broken, who fixes it up? That's right ME the farmer who JUST came to town. It's not enough that I have to revitalize my grandads decrepit old house and farm, but I have to revitalize the entire freaking town including building one of the villagers a house AND paying Willy to fix up his own freaking boat?!
And they keep letting Lewis be the mayor WHY?? What does he even do to improve the town? He's had 30 freaking years!!
At least the Governor seems impressed, he must really like soup.
Maybe Stardew Valley deserves to get taken over my JojaMart.
“At least the governor seems impressed” is not something I expected to read, but I’m very glad I did.
I married Penny and she's been great from beginning to present
I unfortunately relate to Penny a little closely. I apologize a lot but I am trying not to. Even my therapist has pointed out my apologizing as a thing I should try to do less and I am trying but it's a conditioned response from my childhood. I can't stop it anymore than I can stop the fear from taking over when people get angry and throw things across the room.
I mean that doesn't happen very often but when it does it takes me all the way back to those days and I get trapped in my own fear for a good solid ten minutes. My therapist tells me that with trauma comes actual brain changes that lead to the fear response and conditioned responses and they are not easy to get rid of. But she is helping me to cope with them as much as possible.
Honestly I wish I could just stop apologizing but it's so ingrained now that I might not be able to change it or lessen it. I keep trying to change it though, I hate having to apologize for existing.
So I made a save file where I decided to romance and marry Penny, and upon doing so... honestly, and this is going to sound pretty messed up, but the only thing interesting I found about her was her shitty living situation and upbringing. Other than that she was just so boring to interact with which is weird because I thought she'd be much more fleshed out or have more interesting things to say since she's supposed to be the nice smart one, at least from the vibes I've gotten from. I find Shane to work better as a regular NPC as opposed to being a marriage candidate, and thinking on that with Penny, it sort of works the same way. They work better as your friends that you can help out of such shitty situations, but not when you're seeing them as a marriage partner.
I know this is an old video, but in defense of Penny, I grew up in a very close situation like hers to the point I joked with my husband and said "ConcernedApe might as well send me royalties for my likeness in this character." Penny over-apologizes because when you're in an abusive and unloving home, it's a bargain/coping mechanism as to not get hit, yelled at, or berated. As for her being easily upset, well, once again it comes back to that home of hers.
It is just a game till the children fly away as doves.
Penny was the first person I ever married in stardew (and now the only bachelorette I marry because I want to, not to just see the cutscenes).I had a simillar childhood to Penny and I think that’s what pushed me to give her the bouquet after befriending her and seeing what her life was like.
I know that at least I, when I was in a similar situation would’ve wished for someone to come sweep me off my feet, but maybe that’s just me.
After you marry her, Penny does seem really happy, and that makes me feel so so happy for her, but at the same time, her schedule doesn’t change much after you marry her, she still teaches Jas and Vincent every Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday and I feel like that’s a good thing. Marrying Penny doesn’t stop her from achieving her goals- to make sure Jas and Vincent have somewhere to learn and a future ahead of them, and that’s great.
The only cutscene I don’t like with her is the one with George, as a person who sometimes has to use a wheelchair (because my legs aren’t strong enough to hold me, I usually use crutches, but when traveling long distances I sometimes use my wheelchair) As you said, Penny did a bad thing by moving George; The wheelchair feels like a part of my body (at least for me) considering it’s there instead of my legs, so imagine just someone dragging you away when you *look* like you need help without asking first
I do agree with one thing more than the others- I do really wish we’d see Penny grow more after she leaves Pam and gets married, but again, sadly that’s not how marriage works in Statdew Valley.
That’s all sorry for writing paragraphs in the comments- really enjoyed the video!!
Oh man, I tried to like Penny, like I don't dislike her, but I just don't feel a lot about her, even though her story is similar to Alex, a story that actually touched me, hers doesn't touch me that much?
I think it's the George scene and the 8 hearts scene that kind of sours me, like this scene feels so weird when you aren't trying to marry her (but this is a problem in a lot of the others bachelors too).
In the end, she is like Abigail to me, I wanted to like her but it didn't happen.
Is because no of her heart events touch in deep her family situation with Pam and her father, you can only figure it out by dialogue. So it obviously won't hit you as hard as Alex crying at the beach.
@@mado-wh4jv that's true!! I never noticed that, like for Alex there is two whole scenes about this and there is none for Penny.
Makes a lot of sense, thank you for the revelation 😔🙏
So the scene with Penny and George, here's why most of you are wrong. I've been a CNA for a brief period and it's one of the reasons I'll never be a nurse. Old people like George are like children, and are quick to anger or complaining about life, it's a maturity thing you either develop or lose over time. Yes of course Penny could have just asked George if he wanted to help but in the end she did the right thing, which is why George feels guilty afterwards. Life is all about staying positive and George chose to overreact. There are plenty of other elderly folks who would have easily said, "Oh my, thank you, I might have been here all morning...or after dark :D Thanks!" however in the real world this is a lesson to not become the grouchy old miserable man George has become, his life may not be perfect and the mining accident was a tragedy, but again this is no excuse for poor behavior when someone goes out of their way to make your day better or easier, because at the end of the day, all we have is each other, and way too many people overreact, get angry, and just in general attack others emotionally. These are all excuses we make for people who may be upset, but that isn't our fault. Penny has an alcoholic mother and lives in a trailer, does she choose to be hateful? No. Penny chooses to put her faith in others and chooses a life of positivity, something that is hard to do when all others around you do is complain and make life more difficult by being rude and hateful. Penny did nothing wrong and there's a reason you get friendship points by saying that was a nice thing you did and don't lose any friendship points with George over this trivial matter. Best wishes to everyone, and I hope this makes sense, because again, if we don't even have faith in each other, what's the point of trying to improve or make the world we live in a better place?
I stuck with Abby. Free food is free food! Plus, she wears my favorite color: Purple!
I get why people are tired of the “lol look the WOMAN can’t COOK how funny” trope, and there are definitely other aspects of Penny’s character that could, for lack of a better way to say it, appeal to a sexist mindset.
But I like that it’s established she can’t cook because then I can cook meals for her everyday when we’re married and it feels a little more special than just handing your spouse their favorite object every once in a while.
It surprises me that of the bachelorettes, only two are actively hated--Haley (she was my first, but fine, I understand) and Penny. And in the latter case, it's solely due to the George scene.
I've scene multiple wall of text length screeds ranting about Penny's gesture from Reddit to TV Tropes and now, this video appears to have caved to narcissists using disability as a cloak of righteousness.
And the funny thing is in doing so, they defend a character who is objective a terrible person, who only grew deeper in viciousness with the passage of time.
Most people have that one character they really see themselves in/relate too and Penny is that gal
I find Penny to be a nice, sweet, sort of a girl-next-door type of character. I definitely get how people feel like they need to ‘save her’ from the situation she’s living in. And I think that assumption is fairly valid.
Maybe she fills the common trope of a girl getting saved by a ‘white knight’ but considering how many romance novels STILL follow this trope, it exists for a reason.
I hear you about the "Female Unable to Cook" trope. My wife was a great line cook and server but her food at home was always bland. It's fine 15 years later; I, however, have lost all my skills.
Never ever EVER touch, let alone move, someone's mobility aid without asking and receiving permission. I have seen that kind of inconsiderate BS land people in the ICU (where I used to work). Penny grew up as a neighbor to a man in a wheelchair and should know better. There is zero excuse for literally pushing George's chair, over uneven terrain since it was on the ground not the sidewalk, without asking or even WARNING him. She's lucky he didn't slide from that chair and break his hip or fracture his spine.
Oh my God you guys are all monsters! I can save her!
as sweet as penny is, i cant really bring myself to love her over the whole george cutscene. i guess its just me feeling offended by it as a disabled person myself it's just really patronising so i tell her off even though i lose friendship every save lol
I’ve never really thought much about the scene lol, maybe I just don’t look too deep into a bunch of pixels. As a disabled person I just don’t really mind it
I understand why you’d feel that way though lol
I agree with you, and I’m an abled individual. I will take the friendship loss with Penny in this scene every time. Even from the first time I played this game, I really don’t like that she just steps in without asking George if he wants (not needs) help. We all know George is a grump who isn’t very tactful, so he probably would have refused in an impolite way, but that’s not a justification for literally pushing him aside and forcing help on him. It’s uncomfortable to watch, and I think Penny shouldn’t be encouraged by my character, regardless of her intentions.
I think that her dialogue when you rebuke her shows growing understanding of the situation though. It's a bummer to lose a few heart points, but in real life sometimes people also get a little upset having their position challenged. Even if they end up understanding they were wrong! Just my two cents as an outsider though!
Yeah same, if it wasn’t for that one cutscene Penny would definitely be my go to bachelorette. But that scene really ticks me off, I just can’t see past it
@@Leapalot See, this is what I find interesting. Because I agree that her response to being rebuked feels like she's genuinely trying to take in the entirety of the situation and where she went wrong. She doesn't argue with you about the idea that she was inconsiderate. And it's possible for her to look sad about more than one thing at once; like both the rebuke AND the fact that she wanted to help someone but made things worse instead. And I agree that it isn't unreasonable for her to be a little upset about having her presuppositions challenged. Nor does it mean that she can't be genuine in wanting to grow from the experience. So it's just... weird to me that people say that they want to see more growth from the characters, but refuse to acknowledge the signs of potential growth when we're given them.
In every single video talking about penny, everyone always mentions Gus standing by the saloon LMFAO
i mean look at her portrait when you told her that what she did to george was wrong. she must find empathy for those with disabillities even if its in favor of the grump instead of the girl next door pretty hot
because of Penny's circumstances she seems older but in fact i believe she is just as old as Sam is so it makes sense that just like Sam she messes up and is not very mature yet!
7:30 I love giving Penny a Mermaid pendant and then go to the spa to tell her I don't have feelings for her, gets me everytime 😂
I marry Penny every playthrough, she's worth it to me despite her flaws.
I find her relatable as I also care and try to help people only for it to go wrong.
Plus her 8 heart event hit me hard, seeing the no I don't think I'd be good at being a parent made me think I was looking to a mirror, I want to be a father but don't think I would be good at it.
Oh sorry lol, here's a little donation Leapalot!
Hey thank you! 😁 That's a fair statement about parenting. I get why she loses friendship for it, but I think it should be okay for the player to admit that maybe they're not ready (Or might not ever be) to be a parent!
@@Leapalot according to the wiki you actually gain friendship points for saying that, unless concerned ape patched that out and the wiki hasn't been updated to reflect that.
@@DarkAngel69604 Ah! My bad. I didn't look and was thinking it was one of the - 10 options. That's neat!
Penny was my first, and still is my favourite spouse. But I do find it somewhat disappointing that she has one of the least interesting 14 heart scenes. Something that builds upon and maybe even resolves her relationship with Pam would be so much better for her than randomly decorating one room of your house.
Penny's my absolute favorite. She's clearly sweet and caring but is a victim of circumstance and because of that is never shown any real appreciation for her actions, at least until you come along. Also because of how awkward and fumbling she is (which is also probably due to her life situation), that also leads people to not appreciate her effort, even when it's legitimate. Then, when you finally show her the appreciation she's been lacking, she starts getting attached to you, which makes complete sense. She also just generally seems to become a happier and more confident person as you gain more hearts with her, at least while you're present. Her problems don't disappear, but she's able to deal with them a lot better once someone (you) starts finally treating her like a person and showing appreciation for her. At least for me, I didn't marry her because I wanted to save her. I did it because she's a kind, genuine, and selfless person. Unlike certain other bachelorettes whose names start with an H and end in "ailey," you don't have to coax Penny out of her shell for her to become a good person. *She's already a good person at heart when you meet her*, she just needs more support in order to thrive. Most people only see Penny for the results of her actions. I see Penny for the motives behind those actions. On the cooking part, yes, it's a tired trope of women not being able to cook, but I think there's more to it than just that. The food Penny cooks for you in her 6 heart cutscene is more than edible, in fact, it's quite nutritious, restoring somewhere around 150-200 energy (I don't remember exactly). Far from just being a silly woman who can't cook, this is a metaphor for Penny's whole character. On the outside, the food isn't very appealing based on appearance or even taste. But when you give it a chance and eat it, as bad as it tastes, it actually nourishes you quite a lot. Similarly Penny might not look very enticing on the outside, but if you put in the effort to get closer to her, you'll find that she's a deeply caring and compassionate person, who's deserving of way better than what she receives from everyone else.
Penny is one of the townsfolk I just don't interact with and that's because I married her once and felt how she kind of went stagnant. So since then, I kinda just don't go out of my way. She's on the level of Sam for me in regards to interest, which, sadly, isn't that high. If it was possible to help her get her own living situation and independence somewhere in the future, I probably would do the 8 hearts for her. But since that's not a thing, I'll just make do with saying 'hi' whenever I'm at the library.
She’s my favorite marriage candidate
This video made me want to ship Penny and Elliott xD
Elliott, he is quite childish and stubborn, and yet, he is very very independent, and was courageous enough to leave his place and live on his own, I think he would mesh well with Penny in the way that they would have a lot of conversations about books, and they both have this flare of pretending they are on some other universe than real life xD
Except Eliott shows it out, and Penny internalizes it, Elliott could make her express her fantasies out a little more and in a safe space too xD
I think penny would be admiring Elliott's resolve to quit his home to pursue the life he dreams of.
And she would bring a little more order into his life.
Hm
ACTUALLY
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A ROMANTIC THING
WHY AREN'T THEY FRIENDS
THEY WOULD BE BEST FRIENDS
I say he is childish
Because his reaction to getting a gift is incredibly similar to the reaction of Jas xD
Basically
He is a smart kiddo
"Get everyone to 10 hearts"
Sure. I have 50+ mods, and im still not familiar with everyone yet the skull cavern is waiting for me. I have met 52 out of 76... Omg what have i started
I just use my spouses as a means to an end. I get my Stardrop Fruit, then kick them to the curb. They take up space and don't earn you money
In theory they can produce hay and give you food that can then be shipped.
Me during the ads because i am ✨poor✨: i swear if he says anything bad about my precious penny i will cry
Me after watching: okay but while you have fair points, penny (minus childhood) reminds me a lot about my anxious self, plus once i moved in with my bf i learn what an absolute terrible *chef* i was…. Thankfully that skill has vastly improved since he was a trained chef and taught me lol
Penny act very passionately and unbothered of saying what she feels like about something, and sometimes have these awkward moments, but really, anyone here does'nt?? Getting intimately along with someone is very trial and error, as no one knows to not be awkward from birth, and it's not something you get to learn by simply watching people, awkward moments *will* happen, and hopefully you will feel weird about it, because that's how we learn social behavior. My thoughts about Penny are that she might've got along with this weird sensation, and really care more about expressing herself, be it talking or actions. Sure, I guess Penny atitude concerning George wasn't the best, and we can't properly see Penny's development in this regard, as the way the unmodded game progression is modeled, it doesnt give the appropriate room/time for the characters to reflect deeper about themselves and develop their personalities further.
All of this said, y'know, when we are falling in love with someone, part of what we're in love with are reflections of ourselves. Maybe, those who get along with Penny, in some way, are dealing with their own social awkwardness expressing their feelings.
I guess Penny and Sam are perfect
I love the Persona series, but they HARD killed the 'haha girl can't cook' trope for me.
Oh Yukiko...
I like the traditional vibes. I think the george scene is blown out of proportion. They are neighbors and know each other. Its a small loss of friendship to say hey dont do that because her feelings are hurt jist like anyone else. You try to do a good thing and guess what people are mad at you because you did it wrong you will shut down. She works hard wants kids loves kids some call it boring but id rather have a wife then a gamer acholic artist etc. Sticks to the traditional vaules i like.
I really like penny, but I don't like that the only way she can have her dream life is after marring the player
Out of all the marriages I've had in SDV, Penny feels the worst to me. At first you'd think that getting her in a better living condition and having a family is everything she wants, but when you get there... well, it's everything she wants. It's like she wants to dissolve as a person to become just a mother. Which is her full right, but at the same time she could be so much more. Ironically, that was the only playthrough in which I had no kids at all, because her eagerness questioned my character's (or my own) commitment.
Bottom line: Being married to Penny never made me feel things. Building her and Pam a house did - but you don't need to romance her for that.
So, I think being a mom / homemaker is a valid choice of career path if that is good with her and her chosen partner. If it makes her happy, then that’s awesome! I think the bigger issue is that being a “parent who watches the home and maybe does a part-time thing on the side” is basically what all of the spouses do after marriage in Stardew. So, Penny’s career hopes don’t make her stand out as a candidate in the game, which is probably why it feels like she doesn’t have anything more to her.
What are you talking about? There's literally a heart event telling you "hey, this is the best bachelorette if you share her goals of building a family" (Will say sweet things about how a happy family you are), just as Abigail one says "This bachelorette is the one to go is you like exploring the mines" (will give you literally bombs for breakfast).
I completely agree with the flaws of post marriage but that's a complain that can be attributed to every single other marriable npc. No one goes deeper than those character traits, no one move on, no one improves out a pseudo-"break your shell" character development that goes nowhere after you divorced them. I agree with your perspective on her, but it seems unfair to me that you don't recognized this very same flaw in all the other characters which you enjoyed.
She grew up with George, she knows him very well, im sure she knew he'd be grumpy but fine with it, you know, like he was
Shes an adorkable awkward queen
Y’know the whole thing with marriage candidates kinda just fading into the background and dropping everything to live on the farm kinda reminds me of that one quote from Catherine: “Does life begin or end with marriage?”
I very much understand what the game was going for especially when it comes to the meal Penny makes. It's called being polite & encouraging. I think the "do you want kids" question options are...very poorly done. There's no "Maybe not right now." at best you could do is the "No I don't think I'd be good at it." The other 2 options are such deal breakers for players and obviously the last one stings personally for Penny. It's one of things that sometimes the game devs don't always think of & kind of rail road the player, (this games in Bioware games like Dragon Age or Starwars Kotor) where you get the strangest of options and where sometimes you can't let them down easy, it's either "Yes I'll marry you" or "PIss off creep." There's no in between. Sometimes it's just not as intuitive as we players would like.
I admit I married Penny to save her but she is my type ,shy, redhead and she's cute as hell.
I have only played through once the only other woman I might go after is Leha.
I went with Penny my first playthrough because I really didn't like any of the other marriageable female NPCs. To me, Penny seems like a vanilla choice. Like how a lot of the story beats are things that a lot of people have seen before. Maybe that's just me though.
I wish I liked Penny 😔 I find her relatable on multiple counts but I feel that she constantly feels sorry for herself and that's it. everytime I talk to her she sounds like she's on the verge of tears! like ok girl we get it but stop apologizing omg. I don't feel strongly about her either way and I really want to like her but she's just so.. boring. and how sensitive she is too is a turn off for me. along with wanting a big family we just aren't compatible. I do want her to be happier though, but not enough to marry her. also, I've never seen the 'feminine character can't cook' trope before! I didn't even know it was common enough to be a trope lol
i always romance penny cuz i like how soft and nice she is, but i absolutely hate the way she becomes a robot when you marry her lmao. that's why i never get married anymore
The more I play the game the more I get tired of pretending to agree with penny in her heart events to make her happy... It feels so fake. I just like her because of the 14 heart event and because I think her sprite is really cute. I also love the aesthetic of her spouse room.
5:43 she is just like me fr fr
I like how this game is a bit more complex than it appears at a glance. It can have some surprisingly deep moments. I do agree though a bit, I do kinda wish the story of the wife/husband continued a bit after marriage. But as it is, it’s still fairly good, and I admittedly don’t mind too much that not all the characters change a lot. I would like it if that happened, but it’s not something that I feel it absolutely needs.
I WAS NEVER BOOK SMART IM MONEY SMART MAKES ME MORE INTELLIGENT
Ah the Teacher book type. Its a good thing you don't technically need to marry her to save her.
Penny and Shane have savior complex vibes, hence why ive never been interested in either of them.
I do like them sure, but not enough to marry.
Im all for helping someone through alcoholism and being there for someone in a toxic household, but a relationship developing in that time as well...that seems odd to me. It could just be me, idk.
Thats just how i feel.
Love these videos! I personally never cared for Penny. I know she has a tragic back story but she doesn't show a lot of agency and she's just so.. sensitive? I guess. I wish more for her than to end up on a farm in the same town that she is stuck in.