The child by David and Bathesheba that died was not an atonement for David's transgressions. The child did not die "FOR" David's sins. The child died "BECAUSE" of David's sins. There's a difference.
No your argument is strange, elder Judah, you are confused . The remnant understands and we know that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is the one and only true and living God only , and besides him there's is no other. Majority of the entire world believes in Jesus or yahawashi and all of you will be destroyed, because there is only one God, the most high God. There is no debate if u believe in Christ it's ok , however, we don't and we never will, Israel only follow our savior ,our king , our holy one of Israel and no other gods.
Wow that caller made a great point about King David's child dying for his deeds! I have never really even looked at it like that but of course the Moreh came through! Because obviously the Creator put David's sin away! So the death of that child did not die in David's sin because he was forgiven of it. Praise yah
The child dying in 2 Samuel 13-14, was a punishment the scripture states that no sin goes unpunished. If it was that serious why did YAH allow David and Bathsheba another child. Who was that child king solomon. You cant take 2 verses and stand on them read the whole punishment starting at verse 7. No one dies 4 any one exodus 32:32 and not a innocent person
Yaramyah Y'srael Your absolutely right...A child is a blessing and because of David & Bethsheba transgressions the TMH wouldn't allow that initial blessing...the child wasn't a sacrafice by no means
Ezekiel chapter 18 explains explicitly about dying for your own sins! Read the whole chapter from the very beginning the Creator ask" who in Israel made this proverb that the fathers have eaten sour grapes upon the hills and the children's teeth are set on edge?"
Elder Judah you are believing in your own understanding of what you think the scriptures are saying. However, you need to believe in what the most high is saying: it is his holly word, you have to ask him to provide you with understanding of his word. JC is not the most high son at all ,messiah , yahawashi or whatever you want to call him. The children of Israel believes in the most high God of Israel only. Please repent you have went against the most high God and don't realize that you have done that. The reason why you are deceived and confused is because your reading that new testament, our holy one is not talking in that book at all.
Isaiah 53 is talking about the heads of israel the kings the priest and the prophets they caused the nation to err. An lead the nation to the slaughter. Its all through the scriptures. Shalom
The kings, priest and prophets had to know the law. And in the book of numbers the priest bare the iniquity of israel. The kings had to copy the law and a prophet was to be the mouth of YAH. They were held responsible for the up keep of israel
Elder Judah, sad to say, you are the one that is confused. That entire New Testament is confusion; and the very scripture you quoted < John 9: 39 > is bogus and contradictory; let me show you some of the confusion. According to false Jesus said that the Father judgeth no man but hath committed all judgement unto the son. We in the Hebrew community know from the Holy scriptures that the above quote by false Jesus is a LIE. But let me show where this liar further contradicts himself. According to he has now changed his mind about his mission: he is here saying that he didn't come to judge the world but to save the world. Elder Judah, please explain to all of us which one is correct; did he come to judge the world or to save the world? And why did he have to be duplicitous in his speech?
Elder Judah, you accuse the Mowreh of taking things out of context but you are the one that is doing precisely that. In Isaiah 53, you have taken it out of context, because when you read down to verse 10, you will see that the same 'he' that you think was false Jesus, it was said of that person: "he shall see his seed" Did false Jesus have any seed? Did he have any children? I rest my case.
Elder Judah, for the last time, context is SUBJECTIVE. You cannot interpret scriptures by context alone; but most importantly, YAHWEH has to give you the understanding, which clearly you do not have.
The more I listen to these christian pastors or persons who believe in Yahshua or Jesus being the saviour, they select the scriptures that strengthen their arguments and reject the ones that don't. Admittedly, Hebrews do similarly but with one remarkable difference: we will punch holes in their new testament scriptures as I did with the scriptures where false Jesus claimed that he was given the role of sole judge by the Father and then came back later and said that he didn't come to judge the world. We do not have to run away from any scripture in the false new testament because we can punch holes all through that book.
The child by David and Bathesheba that died was not an atonement for David's transgressions. The child did not die "FOR" David's sins. The child died "BECAUSE" of David's sins. There's a difference.
The new treatment is chritianty doctrine.
Well said beautiful sista. Shalom
No your argument is strange, elder Judah, you are confused . The remnant understands and we know that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is the one and only true and living God only , and besides him there's is no other. Majority of the entire world believes in Jesus or yahawashi and all of you will be destroyed, because there is only one God, the most high God. There is no debate if u believe in Christ it's ok , however, we don't and we never will, Israel only follow our savior ,our king , our holy one of Israel and no other gods.
Sister at the end had me crying. She is so right. What sin did jc die for, because we're still suffering today. Self deception is the worse deception.
Wow that caller made a great point about King David's child dying for his deeds! I have never really even looked at it like that but of course the Moreh came through! Because obviously the Creator put David's sin away! So the death of that child did not die in David's sin because he was forgiven of it. Praise yah
Where is a righteous man or Christ on the list of an acceptable offering for sin recorded at again in the Torah? Smh #YahOnly
The child dying in 2 Samuel 13-14, was a punishment the scripture states that no sin goes unpunished. If it was that serious why did YAH allow David and Bathsheba another child. Who was that child king solomon. You cant take 2 verses and stand on them read the whole punishment starting at verse 7. No one dies 4 any one exodus 32:32 and not a innocent person
Yaramyah Y'srael Your absolutely right...A child is a blessing and because of David & Bethsheba transgressions the TMH wouldn't allow that initial blessing...the child wasn't a sacrafice by no means
Isaiah 53 is actually talking about Jeremiah.
Prove it
Yes and Ezekiel
Ezekiel chapter 18 explains explicitly about dying for your own sins! Read the whole chapter from the very beginning the Creator ask" who in Israel made this proverb that the fathers have eaten sour grapes upon the hills and the children's teeth are set on edge?"
That Judah dude is hard of hearing praise the Mighty Yahawah alone
This guy is insane. He has no understanding. He is clearly not ready to debate mowreh elquanah.
Sin is WHY one is put to death- Yair Laban Yisrael
The sheep led to the slaughter are the remnant of Yisrael. Psalms 44 chapter....HalleluYAH....
Elder Judah you are believing in your own understanding of what you think the scriptures are saying. However, you need to believe in what the most high is saying: it is his holly word, you have to ask him to provide you with understanding of his word. JC is not the most high son at all ,messiah , yahawashi or whatever you want to call him. The children of Israel believes in the most high God of Israel only. Please repent you have went against the most high God and don't realize that you have done that. The reason why you are deceived and confused is because your reading that new testament, our holy one is not talking in that book at all.
REAL TALK!
SHALOM SUCH A GREAT LESSON TO HEAR OF OUR YAH WORDS FOR HIS PEOPLE AND NOT THIS LIEING JC!!!
Isaiah 53 is talking about the heads of israel the kings the priest and the prophets they caused the nation to err. An lead the nation to the slaughter. Its all through the scriptures. Shalom
Praise Yah
Sister adorah better preach. Gave me goosebumps
The kings, priest and prophets had to know the law. And in the book of numbers the priest bare the iniquity of israel. The kings had to copy the law and a prophet was to be the mouth of YAH. They were held responsible for the up keep of israel
Judah wicked
Elder Judah, sad to say, you are the one that is confused. That entire New Testament is confusion; and the very scripture you quoted < John 9: 39 > is bogus and contradictory; let me show you some of the confusion. According to false Jesus said that the Father judgeth no man but hath committed all judgement unto the son.
We in the Hebrew community know from the Holy scriptures that the above quote by false Jesus is a LIE. But let me show where this liar further contradicts himself. According to he has now changed his mind about his mission: he is here saying that he didn't come to judge the world but to save the world.
Elder Judah, please explain to all of us which one is correct; did he come to judge the world or to save the world? And why did he have to be duplicitous in his speech?
Elder Judah, you accuse the Mowreh of taking things out of context but you are the one that is doing precisely that. In Isaiah 53, you have taken it out of context, because when you read down to verse 10, you will see that the same 'he' that you think was false Jesus, it was said of that person: "he shall see his seed" Did false Jesus have any seed? Did he have any children? I rest my case.
Elder Judah, for the last time, context is SUBJECTIVE. You cannot interpret scriptures by context alone; but most importantly, YAHWEH has to give you the understanding, which clearly you do not have.
The more I listen to these christian pastors or persons who believe in Yahshua or Jesus being the saviour, they select the scriptures that strengthen their arguments and reject the ones that don't. Admittedly, Hebrews do similarly but with one remarkable difference: we will punch holes in their new testament scriptures as I did with the scriptures where false Jesus claimed that he was given the role of sole judge by the Father and then came back later and said that he didn't come to judge the world. We do not have to run away from any scripture in the false new testament because we can punch holes all through that book.