Flint Knapping - Heat Treating Knapping Stone
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Ryan Gill shows how knapping stone can be heat treated under a fire like primitive man did thousands of years ago. While a modern kiln or oven can be used for heat treating, I find great satisfaction by accomplishing goals in the same manner as the ancients. please subscribe to my channel and visit my website! - กีฬา
I was camping and there was a man picking the fire ring rocks. He then showed us how to make arrowheads. It was amazing !
I knew of heat treating k napping stone, but forgot when I started watching your k napping videos. Thanks for demonstrating the process... it contained very useful information!
Thanks Ryan, I'm 16 and can't afford a kiln so I did this method in the sand and I got some nice heat treated coastal plains chert. Already made a few arrowheads
fantastic, very glad to hear it!
Im so so so pumped! I live on the Guadeloupe and after days of watching and re watching your videos i have finally found some awesome rocks to use and have got tools up to the stick with the antler. I was lucky enough to have some fairly recent axis shed and saw off a nice piece. Now to break it in after I heat these stones and fiddle around! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion.
Hey fellow, I live on the Guad in Tx and also flint knap.
I recently started knapping and have been wondering why the stones I use don't break as easy but now I know. Thank you for making this very informative video, big fan!👍
Some rocks do just kinda suck, but experiment around a little bit. The slicker the better! good luck
Hello Noel great job on knapping awesome legacy two thumbs up Wado for sharing peace ☮️
That was a good video, thank you for producing it.
That white ash is fantastic for bush soap.
Hermano te volaste la barda que buenisimo video y forma de presentar la informacion y conclusiones de forma tan explicita, vine por un tutorial de como tratar las piedras con calor y asta saque un tutorial de como hacer fuego.... Gracias por tan valioso aporte !
That was an awesome video! Thank you!!
Quick, practical, useful. Subbed!
Thank you for these tutorials
They are a great help
3:47 "Didn't put enough dirt down. Saw it right off." Bear Claw Chris Lapp.
what a great video!!!!...first time i see how this was done primitively on youtube! thanks for sharing this...
if i ever come about a patch of great knappable stone, i´d heattreat them like this...
love the way you go for it...keeping it in the oldway..love it!!!!
thanks! glad you enjoyed it!
Good information, thanks.
Like your video. I cook. Flint with fire too vary informative. Love the coler change.
thanks very much!
Brilliant thank you. Dabbling in flint and steel fire-making, I was beginning to despair that I would find local stone that would hold an edge. This may well provide the answer and explains how the aborigines in this area made fine tools from stone that I found excessively grainy or fibrous.
This is what sparked my interest as well. 😂
"Sparked," I get it😁😁👍👍.@@tikkidaddy
Great video 👍and thanks for being specific on the type of wood you used for spindle and fire board
This is how I've always heat treated my rocks
Great video. Very educational. Thank you for using all organic tools. Vincent James Ajello
Are the flints or cherys, usually light toward Grey suitable for knapping?the deposits were in a coastal limerockmine above tampa Bay. I knew the owner and could probably talk to him about an expedition for lithic materials.they hated the stuff because it would heavily damage the hammers and breaker bars sometimes causing catastrophic damage to them requiring new plates and bars, breakaway assemblies would blow out the containment structures. Bet they'd love someone to come and pull all that hard gray flint out
Amazing Video thanks
Just Starting with knapping ..Thank You
appreciate your hard work
thanks very much
Thank you
good video...shows us how the aboriginal americans..prefired thier materials....will check out your other videos...my 1st...merry christmas
Heat treating stone evolved Western Europe and North Africa coming across the Atlantic Ocean to the Americas.
I worked for an Archaeologist in the Oaxaca Valley and he said that they found Quartz in the Valley but could not find the source. I said that is because they were Heat treating the Quartz. You would have to see what it looked like before it was Heat treated. He then said, They Heat treated Quartz? I said yes they Heat treated Quartz .
Hey this video is Great man! I love your respect for fire and the primitive art ! I’m from Missouri and use Burlington Chert because there’s a mass abundance of it here in the ozarks. How hot should my fire be and how long should I keep it at that temp ? Thanks again !!
I had no idea that was going until you mentioned it in one of your other videos, and linked it here. Thanks for taking the time, for all these years, to do these videos.
Man I just got back into arrowhead huntin in east TN, on our property 8 miles from the closest river I've got a few arrowheads each yr and tons of dark churt, river stones and was excited to hunt arrowheads in the closest creek, unfortunately its just covered in slate, found a huge churt pile on the river and was excited to knap but I just seen ur video on freeze damage and low grade churt and grainy, so disappointed but I LOVE ur videos
How do feel about knapping old stone shards found while out hunting artifacts
I worked in a central Florida limerick mine, I saw tonnes⁸ of flint go through the rotary hammers and the damage it caused.when I was 9 or 10 years old I was making arrow heads from basalt, u didn't want to destroy my pretty agates and quarts crystals.but I should have collected that hard Grey flint. Now retiring I'd like to again try my knapping attempts but not with basalt I collected in Minnesota, but chert and flint
Actually made the shapes, just nt sharp and didn't fracture right
How much wood do you generally end up using, and how long do you keep adding wood? I've tried this three times now and not a single hint of any sort of success. The last time I tried the surface fire got to at least 1000ºF/538ºC (the limit of the infrared thermometer I was using) and it held for 3-4 hours. Still nothing! Any tips?
Do you ever cook or reheat material that has already been started to be flint knapped?
@HuntPrimitive Hey Ryan, have you tried firing the base of the pit to heat up the ground before adding stones and sand? I'm going to run a trial on that this weekend to see if I can get more even heating and maybe be able to use less fire on the top side. Just an idea I wanted to see if you had experience with before I ruin a pit of good material!
Also, much of what I have here is cobble no larger than your fist. It can be very good material but glacial and river action has ground it down. Would you suggest spalling before firing, or firing first?
Does heat treating help with step fractures, I have some easy flaking flint but it step fractures easily
I am in Tampa area,see you in florida,if interested let me know and I'll contact him.also old Oman mine above 595 is closed, state or county property now had the same flint
Great video. Cant wait to get some real stone to knapp. What is a good starter type
edwards is a really good choice all around
How long should you keep the fire going
What.... I didn't even know that u could do this
Hi Ryan, my knapping journey has hit a kind of stand still, so since we last spoke I've broken a fair few pounds of rock now but only really been able to get, well 1 arrow head I would consider successful and a few others that are an obvious learning curve. So figured heat treating may be the way forwards. But I can't just dig up my garden to make a pit etc. Is there a way to do this using either a fire basket or I also have an incinerator made from an old calor gas can? Also, will this help with thinning my pieces? I'm breaking rocks for at least 2 hours a day at the moment and seem to make my spalls smaller not thinner. I can tell some of the rocks I have are just poor, but even the decent bits get smaller not thinner. I've been using an ishi stick as well and that has greatly helped but still not getting anywhere near where I'd like it to be. As always your help is appreciated and thanks for another great video,
that's all part of the learning curve. It just takes a lot of time and practice to get good at getting pieces thin. As far as heat treating, it can also be done in a kiln, or even a toaster oven for some rocks. I know folks that have picked up a toaster oven from a yard sale, and use it as a small kiln with good results. You'll have to do some research though on what temperature and for how long to cook your types of rocks though
@@huntprimitive9918 oh totally, I'm loving the craft and have no issues practicing. I've tried a few experiments myself today regarding heat treating, looking forward to seeing hiw that's worked out. Thanks again 👍🏻
What wood did you say you used for the spindle and hearth?
Dog fennel spindle and loblolly bay hearth. it tell you at 1:30 ;-)
Ryan Gill
Thanks!
Ryan Gill hi Ryan I liked your video I'm a fellow flint Napper myself and getting heat treated Rick is what I've always bought but have wanted to try doing it myself but I have no turkey oven or fancy machine . tri heady my stone so thank you for showing me this but I have a question. do you HAVE to use sand? or will using dirt give you the same good result my friend.? your advice will be highly accepted and thanks for showing meal a natural way of doing this . its just that I don't have sand to do this so I was wondering is I could do it with dirt
What is best for Flint lock Ignition knapping? Natural or heat Treated?
Natural only! A heat treated gun flint will shatter apon hitting the frizzen!
Aren't you afraid you're smoke will be seen by hostiles and you'll be attacked?please let me know I'm just getting started and want to be safe.
stones where used around the fire pit over time they where used to make tools to use and most where made by women wail men hunt that is how things where done by native people even the little ones would make them I still know how to make them as showed from my father and how to make bow and arrows and how to shoot in Cherokee way I am Cherokee paint clan
runingblackbear fire pit stones..how Intresting..our women do play a big part in the big picture..bless'm
Please could you remake another video about heat treating rocks. Temperature control and timing for the whole process is in dire need. We know you can greatly improve your presentation. And different types of flint that need hotter or cooler temperatures would help us understand how necessary good heat treating is to good Flint Napping. Thank you! M A
Have you ever attempted to heat treat rhyolite or obsidian? Does it cause a negative effect rather than positive?
they wont improve any with heat. Obsidian is already as cooked as it can get from the volcano.
Was quartz heat treated by native Americans?
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A LOT of practice is required to be successful making a fire this way… Do NOT include it in your kit… At the time of need you don’t want to discover that what you assumed you could do- you can not do…Have a cigarette lighter and whatever you can easily use… Your life will depend on your success…
Is that your native getups you got on too 😂
Too funny 😅
WRONG! it's LOW silicate stones... high silicate stones would be quartz
+RedLunar FPS You may want to do some research before commenting. The formation of chert and jaspers is through the sedimentation of fine silicates (microcystalline). In the Miocene epoch the Appalachian mountains were as high as the Rockies. After millions of years of erosion, the quarts rich granite dust washed down rivers and was deposited in the shallow seas that were once Florida. The Micro-silica then replaced organic materials and cemented everything together.. fast forward a million years and you have high silicate rocks- chert, jasper, agate, agate-coral. You cannot knap a low silicate stone.. Here is Wikipedia for your viewing pleasure.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chert reading the first line should suffice.
Dude I was just stating what I REMEMBER from my earth science class, because the darker the rocks, the lower silicate they have, I just thought that it was a mafic rock
+Ryan Gill spoke with my teacher, technically. we are both right
+Ryan Gill and u can knap low silicate stones, dark Flint and chirt is low silicate, people knap those,
dark flint and chert is lower silicate, but they are still very high in silica. The darker color simple means more impurities, but the silica content is still far higher than 99% of all other stones. simply the darker the stone does not necessarily reflex silica density... I mean limestone is near pure white and has no silica. I mean keep in mind that you are arguing with someone who does this for a living who also has a best friend with a geology major from UF. I am not saying I know everything but you are basing your arguments on what you remember from class. To which I probably would have let just slide by except you told me I was "WRONG" in capital letters wanting to prove your superiority on the subject. Even extremely poor quality Dacite is grey-black and over 60% silica... while top grades in dacite are jet black with much higher silica content. Color is not = to silica content, merely the density of impurities cemented together by said silica.
M no
Your making arrow head wrong 🤣
You did it wrong
Well come on then, tell us how to do it right.