I think I know why Miwa's Binding Vow was so weak is because she doesn't value the Katana much if at all, it was forced on her and she had no say on the matter because broke.
that's the thing that i dont understand if you think that the binding vow is a thing that you think its equal price . if u make a binding vow of any form its obvious that u think that the thing y you lost is not as important as the x thing you gain.Then the x thing would never happen because would need more of the y thing to be "equal" to the y thing. if you have all the power of the universe and want to be a ant in another universe , be a ant in another universe is impossible cause a universe FOR YOU its not as valuable as being a ant in another universe. FOR MAHITO its not as valuable to lost temporarily his ct as to have a 200% amp at his body in that moment.
Since Gege is a huge fan of HxH, I can see he got his inspirations from how Nen works and incorporates it into JJK. The more you are willing to trade leads to a stronger outcome.
@@aureliontroll2341 well no its all relative, its not like you giving it higher value in that moment changes what you see as a fair trade. For you a shirt might be fair trade for idk 20$, it doesnt mean that you are going to buy it when you have too much shirts. So in a moment of trading you only use value that you would generally do, otherwise it would end up the same as the arrow never reaching the target paradox.
Technically, you most likely could, but with how powerful a black flash is you'd have to give up something immense. Gojo probably could do it if he gave up all other techniques he has
I always imagined Heavenly Restrictions as like birth defects or mutations rather than Binding Vows. Heavenly Restrictions seems to be things that randomly happen to babies at birth and not something tou choose to take part of like a Binding Vow
It might be a binding vow the mother makes during pregnancy, losing the ability to give their child cursed technique and cursed energy in exchange for making their physical body stronger, this doesnt explain why Maki was able to strengthen her heavenly restriction by having her soul become complete tho
It could also just superstition. Its what jujustu sorcs tell younger sorcs. And because jujustu is based on what we fear and belive: it becomes its own self fulfilling prophecy.
@@MUIDYLANICEif that's the case, why would someone in the Zen'in clan given birth to a guy like Toji when the only thing they value is strong CTs, also the reason Maki got stronger after Mai died is becouse jujutsu recognises twins as one being, so while Maki had Tojis HR (no CE in exchange for a strong body) it was weaker cause of Mai who had CE, when her sister died she took her CE with her which caused Makis HR to be fully fulfilled
@@Homieck 1: "might", pretty interesting word huh? 2: Yeah, I know, thats why I mentioned her sould becoming fully formed because the soul is what determines cursed technique cursed energy and the physical body, that's the whole fucking reason Mahito's technique is able to do the things it does and why the reincarnated sorcerers can keep their techniques.
A thought popped up. "No one can intentionally pull off a black flash". Could one make a binding vow that allows a black flash to happen? "I forfeit my innate technique in exchange for the ability to do black flashes when i want". Maybe that's why Yuji is blessed by the spark? Also maybe black flashes are binding vows themselves? In exchange for the 1 in 1 bajillionth of a hit thing, they gain all the benefits of a black flash. That last one is a stretch but my main point is that it might be possible to "intentionally" do a black flash via binding vow, and I just think that having no CT is an equal exchange
Little thought: Since binding vows on techniques work with equal take and give, Yuji could've had a heavenly pact on him which takes his technique in exchange for being blessed by the black flash, resistance to poisons(the only counter to most rct users), immense raw physical strength, etc? Yuji might've been supposed to have been born with the one of the most powerful techniques in history (maybe better than limitless+six eyes) and in exchange for that technique he gets all these insane buffs in return
@@aditi002jens7 physical buffs are because kenjaku was curse and still gave birth to him...meaning Yuji was born by two human+1 curse so he has boosted physical attributes probably just like choso and other curse womb(not as much as Yuji thugh)
I always return to the conversation between Kenjaku and Mahito, about how your cursed technique defines your world view, and how it works. My thinking is that a lot of these "rules" are person dependant, and that how these mechanics work is entirely dependant on the people it applies to. A bit of a fast and loose way to handle consistency, but I don't think it doesn't work. Think like the concept of the soul, how it works varies drastically between person to person. Mechamaru can't exit his binding vow because his world view doesn't allow for the ability to break it, but Mahito's does. Noabara can touch Mahito's soul because her Resonance technique is very intangible, where every part of a persons body is connected. Toji can be resurrected even if only his body is brought back because he himself sees who he is as just his physical body. Stuff like that
I agree! It probably is exactly what you say. Like how Megumi figured out that he can control all shadows or how Sukuna figured out how to expand the range of what he can target with his slashes. It probably all ties back into the cursed realm too. Hoping for a lore deep dive on that in the coming chapters.
This might be a stretch but I believe this to be hinted at by Sukuna (I think it was Sukuna but don't quote me on that, my memory is under Heavenly Restriction) later on as well, when he says you need a certain philosophy to be a successful sorcerer, i.e. some worldview that defines you and your ability in the world at large.
I'd say it's just a bit more nuanced than that. You can't avoid all the rules that apply to everyone (except for the special case of Physically Gifted Heavenly Restriction which specifically consists in breaking free from those rules and even fate itself), but your will, determination, personal expression and interpretation will allow you to bend some of the rules of nature and jujutsu in order for you to reach the desired outcome and power (it shows mainly through CTs - best examples being Soul Transfiguration, Limitless and Reality Cleave - but also regarding basic techniques "accessible" to all on paper: Black Flash, barrier techniques, RCT, etc.). In my opinion, Kenjaku's statement on the soul being the body and the body the soul, is a general law that only a handful of characters can bypass through the personal expression of their will and CT (Mahito's complete disregard and nihilist desecration of everything humans attribute value to; Nobara's straightforwardness and raw, unapologetic nature amplified by Black Flash; Sukuna's complete dominance over the story and power system...) Regarding Toji, once he was incarnated through the use of his remains, the "empty" body he was granted after leaving it all behind allowed him to negate the grip and limitations the world and jujutsu imposes on everyone, and evolve freely and unhindered by the wills, curses and expectations of others - Toji and Maki embody the Buddhist concept of 'sunyata' ("emptiness"): they've escaped from the cycle of cursed energy, as someone escapes from the cycle of deaths and rebirths once they became enlightened reaching true emptiness by breaking free from their past desires, attachments and suffering; they don't have a will of their own allowing for personal expression and interpretation, they simply *are* (akin to a Boddhistava, they are both perfectly in tune with the natural flow of the world yet untouched by dukkha and the impurity of cursed energy). It's relevant with the post-modernist themes and unreliable/subjectivist narration of JJK: all 3 main antagonists (Mahito, Kenjaku, and particularly Sukuna whose will literally bends the narrative on a meta level) seem to agree upon the fact there is no inherent truth or sacred meaning in this world, with Mahito's spiritual and concrete reification of the soul, Kenjaku who strives to go beyond cursed energy and transcend the limited possibilities this world offer, and Sukuna who's an almost textbook example of the Nietzschean Superman (possessing the most overwhelming individualism in the series which allows him to shape his and others' destiny through his nihilistic will to power and make the whole narrative, characters and power-ups revolve around his personal expression and interpretation structured by his sense of self and exaltation of strength - an evil Buddha of sorts)
@@mattb.7079 Isn’t it a necessary quality for a Boddhistava to refuse enlightenment for themselves/use their enlightenment (I don’t remember) to help others achieve enlightenment?
@@wildfire9280 you're right. Not everything applies perfectly in JJK, there's always a dark twist regarding the religious inspirations (in this case, Bodily Gifted Heavenly Restriction is sunyata, and Maki's progress is basically her realizing the three marks of existence, but Toji and Maki as characters are more akin to the concept of "hungry ghosts" imo). Although, iirc a Bodhisattva still retains the qualities of an enlightened being but just refuses liberation from samsara - even though, it's more fitting to apply the term Bodhisattva to Gojo, Tengen or even Sukuna (he's like an evil Bodhisattva, refusing to die even though he became such a supreme being that he transcended from his human condition)
I have a feeling that we'll see what happens if a binding vow is broken with Miwa. She might pick up a katana unintentionally and then we'll see what happens when one is broken.
@sanicboi9187 actually kenjaku, the foremost expert on binding vows, said that a binding vow made with oneself and 2 people are completely different. The worst that can happen if you break a binding vow is losing what you gained. So miwa would just be back to normal.
@lordyoda607 there is no downside to breaking a binding vow on oneself other than losing what was gained. This is stated by kenjaku right before mahito healed mechamaru. I'll trust kenjaku wby?
If the consequences for breaking a binding vow don't have to happen instantly like Kenjaku alluded to, do you guys think that Sukuna may have still broken his binding vow with Yuji?? After all, knocking a girl out and forcefully feeding someone a poisonous objects isn't exactly "not harming" them, no matter how careful Sukuna is.
Could be why he had that cut on his finger after the fight with Yuji and Maki. I don't subscribe to the theory that it was Yuji unintentionally using Sukunas technique or that the executioner sword nicked him.
@@ShinyNumber1 He wanted to make the vow with Yuji to revive him and in exchange he could take control over the body with a phrase on the condition of not harming anyone while in control. Yuji refused. Then Sukuna proposed to do the vow without any of the "not harming" conditions, if he wins the fight against Yuji. In my opinion in the panel Sukuna was saying it's a gamble to try and "harm" people because he wasn't sure if the vow worked 100% since he technically tricked Yuji into an unfair deal. But this confirmed it. If you make a binding vow with someone, it doesn't matter if it's fair or not, as long as both parties agree to it. (Edit: I checked the manga and what I say is apparently an anime translation. Could be an error or both versions are viable translations because it's a vague phrase? No clue, someone that can translate japanese should look into it)
I figure the reason it’s called a Heavenly Restriction is bc it’s literally placed upon you by the Heavens. Or the randomness of the universe itself. We know there is an afterlife, somewhat. There’s points where it’s implied and there’s all kinds of references to Hindu and Buddhism. So, to me, it’s likely that being born with one is something that can just happen at random, and as life goes on, that child (subconsciously or consciously) has the choice to either strengthen their restriction, or to remove it. It very well might be something that exist within the soul, so within the very soul itself, the choice is made. Destiny is made. So the reason that I add that it might be an unconscious decision, is bc it’s one the soul is making, which most ppl can’t really see or understand, despite it being their very being.
I always interpreted binding vows as the same or very similar to what they call having resolve in hunter x hunter (since cursed energy is very similar to nen already), where the buffs you get for making and the consequences of breaking one are equivalent to how restrictive the binding vow is, same with heavenly restriction except you can’t break a heavenly restriction unless you have a unique situation like mahito reshaping mecas soul
Agreed! The crazy impressive part about Kokichi was that he gained an able body while still having the powers of his heavenly restriction since he could still puppeteer from a long distance even after dying.
@@ShinyNumber1 yeah I think that’s evidence that since heavenly restrictions are near impossible to break from what we’ve seen, if you find a way to do it there isn’t really any punishment for doing so
The most interesting thing about binding vows to me is that as far as we can tell there's no limit to how many binding vows you can make so hypothetically speaking a crazy person can make a bunch of binding vows to to give themselves a major increase in power which sounds pretty cool to me having a super powerful character that could only be super powerful if they follow their own rules.
I really wish at sum point you would mention the binding vow mahito made with himself to get 200% tougher at the cost of not being able to “transfigure” but at the same time I guess it isn’t really anything to be said about it🤷♂️🤷♂️I just thought is was cool how even tho mahito looked uninterested in the kenjaku “binding vow” explanation he still put the knowledge to use during his fight with yuji and got a pretty cool buff from it 👍
YOOOOO I remember reading that in the volume extras but I completely forgot about it when writing the script. Great example of a self imposed binding vow, thanks for the reminder!!
You mentioning Kenjakus forceful binding vow dissolution, reminded me, doesn't Mei Mei do the same with her crows? So as long as you can manipulate the mind you cna force others into a vow.
You're so right! I completely forgot about Mei Mei being able to do that. In the video I said that you can't force someone into a binding vow, but that should be with the asterisk that if your technique allows for you to fully manipulate your opponent that it then does become possible.
Sukuna(and probably kenjaku) purposefully make the radius of the domain bigger. This is cos, first, Sukuna could change the radius of his domain to protect megumi, and also when he was fighting Gojo before his brain blew up preventing him from using domains, he said that he would close his domain to make sure that Gojo dies.
Yeah you really only see the villains use binding vows. This is very strange because I would think the Heroes what use it just as much considering theyre dealing with a whole sukuna over here
Question I have now on Miwa is that her binding vow was very open ended, she said she can't wield a katana anymore but didn't specify which type of katana she can't wield. Let's say she was using Tanto at the time of the vow would her using a naginata break the vow?
Very valid question! Personally I think that it depends on what Miwa herself considers to be breaking the vow. Similar to how Sukuna was able to outsmart Yuji with enchain because Yuji didn't consider harming himself as part of the deal. But maybe wielding a european style sword like a small broadsword could still be an option
I like that you posted a video on this topic, I don't hear a lot of people exploring this and it's got a lot of potential to make some crazy things happen in the story, and especially the consequences of breaking a binding vow
Great video! My general thoughts on Binding Vows have been to think of them as contracts. For every contract, there are loopholes or ways to back out from it. Heavenly restriction is unique. Outside of really interesting circumstances like Mahito and Mechamaru, I don't think the person afflicted with it has any option of breaking it just because the way it has been shown to be applied is always extremely difficult to change/break-an inherent physical deficiency (or blessing) at birth, whether you want to or not. Maki and Toji are physically incapable of producing Cursed Energy, they'd need Mahito or Kenjaku to use Idle-transifiguration and alter their brains to sorcerer brains. Given that JJK has lots of Buddhist influences + there's a confirmed afterlife, leads me to think that there's only two possible explanations for "Heavenly Restriction: 1. It is involuntarily (in its description it says it is "forcibly" applied on the person at birth) granted/blessed upon the individual by the Universe at birth at random. The Heavens. Etc. I don't think there are any specific Gods in JJK but that it probably has a very Buddhist approach, a living Universe. 2. It's a Binding Vow made between a person and the Universe/Heavens, in exchange for their lives or something equally as precious, grant the Heavenly restriction to his bloodline. We only have two examples of Heavenly Restriction in the story so far, Mechamaru and the Zenin clan. We don't know Mechamaru's family history but the SPECIFIC Heavenly Restriction of massive physical abilites at the cost of cursed energy has occured twice in Zenin Blood, across generations. It's one thing if a bloodline has different Restrictions occur across generations but the exact same one, twice? JJK is all about patterns. This makes me think option 2 is more likely as option 1 implies it's granted by the Universe randomly. There's also the chance that both are true and there are two ways of getting it, where you either implant it to your bloodline or the Universe grants it to you at birth. Regarding Miwa's Binding Vow, I think that's another type of Binding Vow, where you clearly outline the cost and the reward to yourself in the self-imposed vow. "If I don't do this, then I'd rather never do X again" OR "If I do this, just this one time, you can take away X from me forever." So the person knows based on the penalty, how long it will take to take effect. Whether immediate or after a while. But there are still a few questions about them that we may never get the answers to.
Thank you! You bring some really good ideas to the table regarding Heavenly Restriction. I think I saw something similar on twitter at a point but not in this detail and well thought out. Impressive As for Miwa you might be right, but for me it's too unclear to say for sure. I think that we'll definitely get more info on it though as binding vows have been getting more and more incorparated into the story. I wasn't sure if I should include it in the video but the chants, hand signs & rituals being able to boost the power of your technique could in a way be considered the real "standard" way to use jujutsu. Meaning that not using it while using CTs would be considered a binding vow where the result is that you get to use your technique earlier but your technique loses efficiency and power etc.
I like to imagine that doing a binding vow that's harsh and quite restrictive would give a stupidly big boost. Like imagine you could do a binding vow that after saying a word you wouldn't be able to breathe or use your cursed technique until your enemy is dead/defeated but as a result your cursed energy massively spikes and your chances of landing a black flash become near 100%
The way that I interpreted binding vows is something like putting your Karma on the line as the intermediary to “host” or “maintain” the vow. Obviously the vow would be specific to costs/rules per occasion. So depending on the intended outcome of the vow, the steeper the cost of either positive or negative karma. There is a general theme of manipulating “fate” by giving meaning to actions through binding vows with hopes of a specific outcome.
My main jjk question is who decides what technique someone receives? Like with Kirara, his technique is so specific that I find it really hard to believe that it could possibly be random. Another question is why does heavenly restriction make you so OP? Because normal people have very little cursed energy so why would giving up that cursed energy make you so much stronger than most sorcerers? Unless they’d be OP either way, like if Toji had been born with cursed energy he’d still be the strongest of the entire zenin clan. But that doesn’t make much sense because it’s not much of a trade off, it’s more of “would you rather be strong because of cursed energy or strong because no cursed energy?”
CE as a power system takes a lot from its users perception. Takaba's whole technique utilizes this idea. Since our current understainding of ce is that it is generated through emotion, it would make sense as to how the sorcerer could control their very subconscious beliefs to utilize in battle.
From what Kenjaku said about nullifying the vows he made by hopping in a new body I think binding vows can only affect the body of the whoever made it kinda like the body vs the soul conversation he had with Mahito, since Geto didn’t make the vows with the past sorcerers it would be unfair for his body to receive the penalty of Kenjaku breaking it resulting in the nullification of the vow, plus a potential handicap that can be worked into the story is that since the body is what’s affected by vows and heavenly restrictions what if Kenjaku hops in the body of someone who made a vow, if he doesn’t follow through the body receives the penalty which could weaken Kenjaku, he would be undone by the very thing he spent 1000yrs doing
I believe that Sukuna is referred to as ‘The Fallen One’ and ‘King of Curses’ due to cheating Binding Vows and ultimately abusing them to become so powerful that, well, I don’t need to go into that.
I could absolutely see Kenjaku withholding what actually happens when you truly break a binding vow because he knows how full of hubris Mahito is and he knew that if Mahito knew the rules and the outcome that, in his hubris, he would try to concoct some stupid plan to beat that rule when there's no actual way to beat it, ultimately ending up in his death. Moreover, I can't think of a better way for Mahito to die than him thinking he's better than the natural law and trying to defy it
I think self-made binding vows can only be with-in the limitations of cursed energy and physics. Like, mass can't be created out of nowhere. That's why Binding Vows are equivalent exchange. Binding Vows are basically the core component of Jujutsu. I have a theory that they are the reason cursed techniques exist. Think about it like this, how did inherited cursed techniques come to be? Maybe the clan heads made a binding vow to pass down their techniques to their bloodline. Anyways, that's just speculation. Binding vows are extremely important for a sorcerer in numerous ways. It's basically like equivalent exchange. It keeps the balance in the world. It's such a cool part of Jujutsu Kaisen. Also, Miwa's BW is a long lasting self-made Binding Vow, which makes sense why she can't swing a katana ever again.
I agree, it’s really interesting because you see frequently in the story how characters can use impromptu binding vows to achieve better results. Like when todo focused all of his curse energy in one spot to block a black flash and that exchange between focusing defense in one area and nowhere else allowed him to survive. It seems like sorcerers can rapidly strengthen themselves or abilities if they learn how to maximize the benefits to a binding vow, think mei mei and bird strike or sukuna and domain expansion. The story continually shows that the stronger sorcerers can establish binding vows in the midst of battle for impressive returns.
Binding vow is a really good concept, I wish Gege explained it further. When Gojo and Sukuna fought they were making BV on themselves and everyone didn't know how many times you could do BV and the repercussions are unknown.
My theory is that yuji will soul swap with Sakuna last minute, tricking Sakuna into stabbing megumi body with the sword, wouldn’t that violate the binding vow punishing Sakuna? That is is, if the soul swapping theory is real
I would argue that the mechanic of explaining your power to make it stronger still risks breaking suspension of disbelief because it is transparently a writing tool to justify characters doing the same kind of exposition within other stories by making it a mechanic. It would work better for me if the ways in which explaining your power affected its strength were a lot more obvious and significant, as I never notice a substantial difference in efficacy of a person’s ability before and after they explain it. It may also help if the mechanic were explained in greater detail within the story in terms of how the mechanic functions on a technical level.
Sixth sense and just “knowing” is definitely prevalent in binding vows. It’s prevalent in a lot of JJK. Look at hand signs and chants. How would you know the words for a chant and hand signs for your technique? How did any of the disaster curses know how to use domain expansion with the “proper hand signs?” Sixth sense and “knowing” is the only correct answer.
I believe the strength of binding vows are determined by two things: 1. The importance of what is given up. The importance is not decided by the sorcerer thenselves. It is based on the sorcerer's goals, desires, and needs. If their life goal is to climb mount everest and see the view, giving up their sight would be a strong power boost. 2. It matches the personality/character of the sorcerer. The more it matches them thematically the more potent it is. This is hard to quantify, but it makes sense in my head at least.
Thank you for the explanation and amazing video. I hate that Gege just cares for vows and loopholes for the main plot. Dude, Miwa said "Katana" axes, guns, wakizashi, naginata halberd and every other weapon she CAN USE
i’ve literally been saying heavenly pacts are binding vows at birth and ppl thought i was crazy lol. it’s the most broken part of jujutsu and more people will realize as more of the anime starts getting adapted
Kenjaku enters Binding Vows with cursed spirits over 1000+ years, the Binding Vows become void after obtaining Cursed Spirit Manipulation, and 10 million cursed spirits are timely released after Shibuya. I assume Kenjaku hasn't absorbed 10 million cursed spirits using the CSM technique directly, nor does he use CSM to unleash them all, so can you explain why the void Binding Vows allow Kenjaku to unleash the cursed spirits? How does a void Binding Vow and CSM work in tandem? I thought Geto depleted his cursed spritits after the Night Parade; most on the internet point to Kenjaku's nullified Binding Vows as the source of the 10 million released cursed spirits.
Personally I do think that he swallowed that many, or at the very least a large bulk. Geto hated swallowing them and said it tasted like vomit rags or something like that. But every time Kenjaku is shown swallowing cursed spirits he does it with a smile. Dude is genuinely sick and twisted. It doesnt surprise me that he could've swallowed that many in the 10 months leading up to Shibuya. Also it might be that he only swallowed the ones where the binding vows were unfavorable for him. Comparing to the humans, some of them just joined the game for their own interests (like Kashimo/Ishigoori etc.) while other players needed incentives (like Hazenoki or the girl from ch239). It might be the same for spirits where some joined on their own accord while others made a painstaking deal with Kenjaku which he was able to void by controlling them.
I would like to propose an alternate explanation. I think the vow for the sorcerers and spirits were the same. To incarnate them into a flesh body. The cursed spirits that made the deal with kenny were trying to transcend. Either kenny didn't want to do this or he had a finite amount of vessels, so he only incarnated sorcerers while using CSM to subjugate the cursed spirits until the culling games.
When kenjaku, enters a new body the binding vow made with the past body becomes null, I assume this goes to the body and soul being the same thing and since he switches body’s he also switches souls
@seyihall5411 you realize that's speculation, right? It seems none of his vows with sorcerers were nulled, and the only reason we think we know anything about how binding vows and body swapping work in this series is one throw away line that we dont know the full connotation of.
I think Miwa might be phsyically unable to pick up a sword again. And she only found out later, when she tried to do it and then realized that she actually made a binding vow. She can probaly still touch a sword, but it's not possible for her to move it. Maybe it becomes very heavy as soon as she touches it or smth like that. Regarding this type of vow: I think they are overall less powerful, bc of the time factor. You can theoretically die one day after making the vow, thus only having not done x thing for 1 day, which would have resulted in a small reward. If you'd say "In exchange for no using my main weapong for 10 years" you would probably get a much bigger buff after actually surviving these 10 years. It could be that 1. Miwa doesnt believe that she will have a long life, resulting in a weak buff 2. The universe knowing that Miwa will not live long and therefore only granting her a small buff or 3. when u make a binding vow regarding the future you get the reward based on an estimate (maybe lowest reward possible or based on an average human life span). Then it could also be that the reward given to her was very poor, bc she doesn't value the sword much, or maybe even wished to get rid of it.
So in short. Binding vow:Pact which function like Heavenly Restriction although depends what you want. Once you make wish what you need/want for exchange you will lose/maybe lose something. Heavenly Restriction:Biding vow but forced. You gain something for exchange you lose something. (Like Mechamaru loking like corpse for exchange having giant amount of curse energy or Toji having no curse energy but buffed normal stats) But unlike binding vows this affect your life from start depending where you live while binding vow is pact that can range from good up to with dangerous loses. Breaking heavenly restriction:If Mahito technique can do it so it should be Heavenly Restriction just affect body and not soul or it's attached to soul too. Miwa binding vow: Pact but instead with person you make with yourself,Miwa had wish for ultimate swing (Buff her cutting) for exchange consequences (like never able to swing) will happen.
couple theories on when we could see binding vows be broken. First one feels more likely than the second, but first Kenjaku’s “Death” to Yuta might break a binding vow that allows bad stuff to happen. Idk just a thought. Second idea, what if the higarumas death sword forces a binding vow on their opponent that severely limits them. one like “dont move” and then if they do then boom binding vow broken. None of these feel likely at all, but still itd be cool i think
if you just regain what you lose on self-imposed bindings then theres valid copium for Miwa fans? also doesn't self-imposed binding vows explain modified & barrier-less domains? Malevolent shrine in shibuya is described as one in the manga right? ..not directly (ofc) but if we look at the fundamentals of a barrier-less domain: cant trap enemies (is given up) but has a wider range (is gained) Edit: nvm the Miwa part, I got to the later part of the video
Makes me wonder if megumi being inhabited by sukuna would make him realize he could utilize a binding vow the same way sukuna does to have a barrier-less domain
I think something way too many people fail to realize about binding vows is what can be gained. First, it has to be FEASIBLE. You can’t gain something like X cursed technique. Second, it has to be BALANCED. This is subjective and based on the author’s whim, but most binding vows seem balanced to me. Third, self made binding vows seem to be based on cursed energy manipulation. As in, where that energy is allocated. Boosting your reserves by needing your reserves, etc.
Supposing that it isn't Sukuna enforcing the memory block on Yuji then we can also suppose that binding vows are for all intents and purposes actually binding except in cases where outsiders play a role. And rules that apply only to you always apply w/o your will playing into it. The complications come when you get to vows like I will let x fight y. then if z tries to fight y first you probably have to stop them to uphold your bargain. But it isn't clear if that is compulsory or simply "non-optional" to uphold (meaning you can break it by taking no action) Running on that assumption, it shows that vows to others carry a much higher risk factor. Though that also leaves unanswered weather it is considered a failure if you were at no point aware of z's intentions...
Heavenly restrictions are imposed by the universe and generally no one can undo it. The only exception being Mahito undoing Mechamaru's restriction. The name is Heavenly Restriction because it is a restriction given to someone by the heavens. We can conclude this because the Zenin would never sacrifice the main branch CT like what happenend to Toji or to repeat it with Maki and Mai
hey I'm an anime only who came for an explanation on the last episode of the anime but got the manga spoiler warning at the start but I'm still really confused about this part. With Fake Geto he said that when he obtained the body of Geto the contracts he had made in the past with cursed sprits became "annulled". After explaining that Yuki says "you don't mean..." implying something truly awful would happen as a result of those contracts being broken, then masses of cursed sprits get unleashed from Fake Geto. However if those contracts were annulled when he got the new body wouldn't that mean any negative consequences would have already happened/ had an effect on the jujutsu world or him WHEN he got the new body, like moment of?? Also why would the contracts with the sorceress of the past not also become void? Is this a strange interaction between Cursed Sprit Manipulation and the Binding Vows? Basically my main question is, is there a SPOILER FREINDLY explanation for the cursed sprits flooding out of Fake Geto fallowing his comments he made about "contracts becoming null with cursed sprits when he got the new body". Thank you for bearing with me and huge thanks to anyone who can clear up my confusion without any massive spoilers, take care!
Oof I’m so sorry if the spoiler warning wasn’t clear enough. So to answer your question bluntly, it wasn’t exactly explained properly in the manga either. My interpretation of that sequence is as follows. In the JJK0 movie, Yuta makes a binding vow with Rika. But afterwards Rika denies the “payment” and instead ends the vow on her own accord. From that we can determine that other cursed spirits should be able to do the same. Thus fake Geto used the cursed spirit manipulation technique to manipulate spirits into willingly ending the vows that he made with them. Hope that answers your question 🫡😁
@@ShinyNumber1 Hey thank you so much for responding!! Your spoiler warning was perfect I stopped 10 seconds into the vid and came into the comments to look for answers :). 2. thank you so much this makes a LOT more since in my head now. So if I'm getting you correctly he forced cursed sprits he made vows with in the past to break the vows while voiding the need for Fake Geto to give them payment while collecting his payment? Meaning that with the Rika example, Fake Geto gets the massive pool of cursed energy but forces the cursed sprits, through CSM, to "give it on the house" if you will? I'm only confused on how he came to control those cursed sprits through CSM. during the night parade Getos stock of curses is completely drained in his fight with Yuta meaning Fake Getos inventory was empty when he got the body. Is there an explanation to how he managed to get, according to the anime "10 million cured sprits (released on Tokyo)" in the year between the events did Fake Geto go and fight those cursed sprits to tame them or was part of the past contracts something like "if I get CSM you become mine"? in my mind the shear volume of curses he unleased, given the time frame, just does not make sense even if Fake Geto LOVED swallowing curses. Normal Geto had a cult and only managed to scrape 10k together over the course of a few years. Again huge thanks you have already cleared up a lot for me, any non spoiler explanations for these questions would be greatly appreciated!
Your mistake? (harsher wording than I really mean) at 14:00 in thinking anyone has broken a self imposed vow though right? Her vow was that if she didn't manage it she would lose x. She gained power but it wasn't enough. The logical conclusion is that she now CAN NOT the same as how our protag can not remember the vow as part of the vow. We see that vows made are real and imposed by an outside force when made. The outside force acting upon the user isn't cursed energy because people like Toji wouldn't be restricted if that were the case (what with his lack of energy to impose the rules in the first place). There must be some deeper force that binds people. the heavenly entity that imposes the rules on the world or some simple physics that operates beneath perception.
At roughly 3 minutes, he also doesn't include physics as an option for binding vows. Either it's you, or it's a god. Forgetting that something like gravity exists in real life. Guys there's 2 options of what's going on here. Either we are staying on the planet, because we believe that it is reasonable, *or* we are staying on the planet because some entity is keeping us here. It might also be that we have a sense for how far we can move away from the planet. When we think of jumping, we just know if it is a reasonable distance away from the planet.
So we can all agree that empowered words (magical chants) are just another form of binding vow right? In fact, I think it's pretty much confirmed based on what is said about Utahime's technique.
I'm starting to think so too yeah! As in chants/rituals are the normal way to use techniques but you can make a binding vow to sacrifice power and efficiency for way quicker casting speeds
Even things like Domain Amplification seem to operate on the same core principles. You gain its benefits at the cost of being unable to simultaneously use your curse technique. Which makes me curious if someone without an innate technique can use domain amplification. And if so, what's the exchange? Is it weaker than amplification that gives up a technique? Do you lose something different while using it?
I think perhaps the best way it works is that what they give up is determined by the sorcery, but the magnitude of the return ability is determined by the metaphysics of the universe. This is basically how Nen works, and, given that binding vows are almost a 1 for 1 recreation of Nen restrictions. In this sense it's a sorcerer pushing a ball up the hill and then getting back an equivalent amount back dependent on the severity of the restriction imposed, and while the type of benefit might be determined by the sorcerer, the AMOUNT is deterministic and outside their control.
I always presumed cosmic bureaucracy that assigns cursed techniques within the same clan, that causes 6 eyes to emerge every so often, that makes people be born with heavenly restrictions that grant them super powers, that enforces binding vows. As for how do they know if it worked, it must be some sort of sixth sense as you said. How much pain/sacrifice and conscience is enough for the cosmic bureaucracy to allow the vow.
That makes me wonder if partly the reason Sukuna has extra limbs is due to the fact that he can do binding vows to give him extra lives or something 🤷🏻♂️
It would make more sense that binding vows made with one self where you give up something first are safe to brake but the ones where you get the reward first if you brake them you would be death, but honestly I’m leaning more towards the idea that it is incredibly weak as we didn’t see any effect at all when Kenjaku stopped her sword. My theory on what happens is that if you brake a binding vow with someone else you lose what you gained and they can chose anything they want as compensation even things like their cursed energy, cursed technique, or their life. I think this is the case because Kenjaku brakes the binding vow with the curse spirits that he made deals with, but he doesn’t get any punishment for it it would make sense that because he can control them with curse manipulation they are unable to ask for the punishment in return. In the case that they kill you to get from giving you their end of the deal they also die in return. Then i also believe that Kenjaku controlled them to resend their vow because if they died while being controlled by Kenjaku it would count as him hilling them and he himself would die.
Miwa's attacks would probably just be incredibly weak if she ever used the katana again. I saw her attack as "This is the culmination of all my potential with this katana." So the binding vow basically used every second of her future potential to fuel the strength of the swing. So now if she were to pick it up, it'd probably be too heavy, or she just wouldn't be able to use it.
Something that might be a clue in regards to whether Heavenly Restrictions are self imposed, forced by third parties, or random mutations, is that Kenjaku seems to pretty heavily elude to the idea that Yuki played a part in Toji's Heavenly Restriction. Then again, it seems unlikely that she's that much older than the rest of the cast as to have been around for Toji's birth. Another thing, I don't think Kenjaku was saying that the penalty of breaking a Binding Vow with another person is unknown to _him,_ but rather that the consequences are wild and unpredictable, instead of being a static punishment that applies to all instances of Vow Breaking. I don't know though, I don't speak Japanese, so maybe the original wording makes it more clear what he meant, but I can only go off of the English translation. If anyone has some authority on that, please do let me know.
I like your ideas in the second paragraph! I think you could very well be spot on. We’ll have to wait and see, but I do hope that it is eventually revealed
not ever being able to use a katana is an incredibly weak sacrifice, I'd imagine if she staked her cursed energy itself it would've been far more powerful, but still too weak to injure geto/kenjaku
I think it's likely more akin to a more thematic form conservation of energy in that it's a simple law of the universe rather than something governed by perception or some immensely powerful entity. Just as there are equations dictating how energy is transferred between different forms, there are some unknowable equations that dictate what you get back for your sacrifice
A big part of jjk is the self, soul and body. Curses gain power from peoples beliefs, specifically (jjk world) Japanese peoples belief in curses, whereas they are not as common elsewhere in the world. So the individual determining the rules of their cursed techniques and binding vows makes sense, as long as it makes sense to them.
Also a missed point about the explaining vow, is that abilities can benefit from it without revealing anything important. For example Nanami explaining overtime to his opponent, gives his opponent nothing, because it literally just buffs him.
I think people with heavenly restrictions are mutants; and that their own bodies are the ones that made a 'vow' to trade cursed energy for physical strength (toji) or the a functioning body for more cursed energy (mechamaru)
This is (almost) completely unfounded and just a theory but what if cursed energy has a mind of its own? Which could be how heavenly restrictions (all (that I know of) being based on ce) happen? This could explain the part about babies not really being able to accept a vow, and their ce or instincts just say “yeah that checks out.” Kinda just came up with this cause I remember hakari’s cursed energy/instincts performing reverse cursed automatically.. But yeah let me know if I’m wrong
Question: do you think you can gain a curse technique through binding vows? And do you think you can overwrite a heavenly restriction with a binding vow?
you'd have to give up something major to gain a cursed technique, such as your life. perhaps all people with cursed techniques are just reborn people who made that pact in one of their past lives, cursing at the world for their weakness?
What if binding vows are contracts that change fate or the fates between sorcerers and and curse energy like two sorcerers or a sorcerer creating there own fates that is permanent or unchangeable and the consequences could be a form of a heavenly restriction that can come in any form of restriction like taking away your curse energy or talking away your ability to walk or anything really
I dont think Kenjaku used curse manipulation to nullify the pacts with the sorcerers of old. I think what he was saying was once he transplanted himself in a new body, any pacts he made with the PREVIOUS body were null.
I feel like the value of the exchanges are just like a law of physics, like equivalent exchange in fma or kurapikas nen restriction. But then again its probably tied to the origin of cursed energy. Why is CE so heavily focused in Japan? Why does tengen refer to CE like chains to break away from? How does toji's freedom from CE allow him to change the destinies of multiple people? I also think this connection between fate and CE is why the story always seems to favor sukuna, whether it be situations some would deem "plot armor" or the narrator glazing him
Kashimo would have been the perfect person to use a binding vow to gain a power up and possibly break the binding vow too. He was already going to die from activating his technique so he might as well have gotten a power boost.
I think heavenly restrictions are sort of self imposed but not in th traditional sense, the guidebooks say that they're forced on a person at birth and since you can't force another person to agree to a vow it can't be a 2 party one, and maybe since it's forced onto them they're also forced to keep it and can't just rectify the vow, if they could then Maki, Toji or Kokichi would've done it by then
We know that the world/fate in jjk has a will. Kenjaku uses that as tghe explanation for why hes never been able to obtain or remove a sixeyes user. we also know fate itself will make people interact in order to challenge them (the ideology of the strongest thing) so a 3rd party higher power involved in binding vows makes sense to me.
It's from the Blu-Ray Disk version of Season 2 Episode 7! When Kokichi Muta uses ultimate mechamaru to fire a bunch of lasers at Mahito and he shapeshifts into different animals to dodge The TV release had a bunch of scenes in that episode blurred, dimmed and very rough looking but in the Blu-Ray release they fixed a bunch of those problems :)
Binding vows seem to be intentional. You need intent to invoke them. Heavenly restriction seems to be an outside power forcing a restriction on you and you just gain a benefit because it technically meets the requirements for a vow. HR seems to operate as a curse upon the target, given at birth, and in exchange for being cursed in this way you similarlly get blessed in another way. Seemingly using the mechanics of godly intervention. Binding vows are intentional evoking conditions to ensure a specific outcome. No curse upon yourself, just willing participation. When it is with yourself the consequences become easy to predict. You just lose the outcome you made the vow for. When made with other people though such a tepid reaction is not enough. So the consequence has to be greater to discourage breaking the vow. I suspect it is possible to still guess what the consequence will be based on what the conditions invoked were but maybe hard to know when it will happen as it can be difficult to know when you are at your closest point to achieving the goal of the vow. As for vows where you gain something upfront in exchange for later penalties...i think it is just an equal exchange based on what you gave up. Giving up one thing and whatever the actual value the thing is to you informs the reward dispensed. In Miwa's case the reward was so pathetic because what she gave up was equally so. She doesn't value the katana and I suspect her technique will be stronger now that the path she was forced to go down has been closed off. So she gained a truly worthless reward for her sacrifice. Whether she realizes how to go forward with her technique is up to her but she still has options. Her technique definitely doesn't require a sword to function.
Its very interesting that many strong characters of jjk used binding vows at different situations including Sukuna, Kenjaku, Kashimo,etc. But not even once Gojo used binding vows because he never needed it and I feel like its a plot armour that Gojo didnt use any binding vow fighting against Sukuna. Just my opinion. No hate to sukuna fans. Edit- It may be possible that Gojo used binding vows somewhere but gege never give any explanation but I am sure Gojo never used any kind of intentional binding vow when fighting Sukuna but Sukuna used his previous existing binding vows in his domain to outclass gojos domain.
Maybe not intentional binding vows, but he did switch the conditions of his domain barrier to harden the outside, which counts as an unintentional binding vow since he gives up something for another.
@@ShinyNumber1 Is it possible that Gojo uses a binding vow and set his infinity off for some time to get more CE output and put more damage on sukuna.
This is a very ignorant statement evwrytimw gojo changed the condition of his barrier it was a binding vow. kusakabe literally explained it, in order to change conditions of the domain you need to make a binding vow, which takes time, which is the reason everyone was impressed when gojo changed condition of the fly. pls read the manga before you open your mouth
What if gaining access to CE is a binding vow in itself? The very existence of a curse is a side effect of the existence of sorcerers... also that entity that allows black flash, may also be a binding vow as a thought? Miwa showed that binding vows can be self imposed near immediately; meaning that if you believe with your very being that your punch is perfect, you will get "blessed" with the spark.
I think I know why Miwa's Binding Vow was so weak is because she doesn't value the Katana much if at all, it was forced on her and she had no say on the matter because broke.
Good idea!
There is no meaning behind sacrifcing something you don't care about
that's the thing that i dont understand if you think that the binding vow is a thing that you think its equal price . if u make a binding vow of any form its obvious that u think that the thing y you lost is not as important as the x thing you gain.Then the x thing would never happen because would need more of the y thing to be "equal" to the y thing. if you have all the power of the universe and want to be a ant in another universe , be a ant in another universe is impossible cause a universe FOR YOU its not as valuable as being a ant in another universe. FOR MAHITO its not as valuable to lost temporarily his ct as to have a 200% amp at his body in that moment.
Since Gege is a huge fan of HxH, I can see he got his inspirations from how Nen works and incorporates it into JJK. The more you are willing to trade leads to a stronger outcome.
@@aureliontroll2341 well no its all relative, its not like you giving it higher value in that moment changes what you see as a fair trade. For you a shirt might be fair trade for idk 20$, it doesnt mean that you are going to buy it when you have too much shirts. So in a moment of trading you only use value that you would generally do, otherwise it would end up the same as the arrow never reaching the target paradox.
Technically, you most likely could, but with how powerful a black flash is you'd have to give up something immense. Gojo probably could do it if he gave up all other techniques he has
I always imagined Heavenly Restrictions as like birth defects or mutations rather than Binding Vows. Heavenly Restrictions seems to be things that randomly happen to babies at birth and not something tou choose to take part of like a Binding Vow
It might be a binding vow the mother makes during pregnancy, losing the ability to give their child cursed technique and cursed energy in exchange for making their physical body stronger, this doesnt explain why Maki was able to strengthen her heavenly restriction by having her soul become complete tho
It could also just superstition. Its what jujustu sorcs tell younger sorcs. And because jujustu is based on what we fear and belive: it becomes its own self fulfilling prophecy.
@@MUIDYLANICEif that's the case, why would someone in the Zen'in clan given birth to a guy like Toji when the only thing they value is strong CTs, also the reason Maki got stronger after Mai died is becouse jujutsu recognises twins as one being, so while Maki had Tojis HR (no CE in exchange for a strong body) it was weaker cause of Mai who had CE, when her sister died she took her CE with her which caused Makis HR to be fully fulfilled
@@Homieck 1: "might", pretty interesting word huh?
2: Yeah, I know, thats why I mentioned her sould becoming fully formed because the soul is what determines cursed technique cursed energy and the physical body, that's the whole fucking reason Mahito's technique is able to do the things it does and why the reincarnated sorcerers can keep their techniques.
@@MUIDYLANICEwell mechamaru was the result of a heavenly restriction too but your point still stands. Binding vows in the womb could make sense.
A thought popped up. "No one can intentionally pull off a black flash". Could one make a binding vow that allows a black flash to happen? "I forfeit my innate technique in exchange for the ability to do black flashes when i want". Maybe that's why Yuji is blessed by the spark? Also maybe black flashes are binding vows themselves? In exchange for the 1 in 1 bajillionth of a hit thing, they gain all the benefits of a black flash. That last one is a stretch but my main point is that it might be possible to "intentionally" do a black flash via binding vow, and I just think that having no CT is an equal exchange
I like your way of thinking. Now I want to see what the absolute limits are to what you can get out of a binding vow
Little thought:
Since binding vows on techniques work with equal take and give, Yuji could've had a heavenly pact on him which takes his technique in exchange for being blessed by the black flash, resistance to poisons(the only counter to most rct users), immense raw physical strength, etc? Yuji might've been supposed to have been born with the one of the most powerful techniques in history (maybe better than limitless+six eyes) and in exchange for that technique he gets all these insane buffs in return
@@aditi002jens7 the resistance of poison is because of sukuna
@@aditi002jens7 physical buffs are because kenjaku was curse and still gave birth to him...meaning Yuji was born by two human+1 curse so he has boosted physical attributes probably just like choso and other curse womb(not as much as Yuji thugh)
@@FallenAshura ik ik but those physical buff could be from a heavenly pact which only takes the technique
I always return to the conversation between Kenjaku and Mahito, about how your cursed technique defines your world view, and how it works. My thinking is that a lot of these "rules" are person dependant, and that how these mechanics work is entirely dependant on the people it applies to. A bit of a fast and loose way to handle consistency, but I don't think it doesn't work. Think like the concept of the soul, how it works varies drastically between person to person. Mechamaru can't exit his binding vow because his world view doesn't allow for the ability to break it, but Mahito's does. Noabara can touch Mahito's soul because her Resonance technique is very intangible, where every part of a persons body is connected. Toji can be resurrected even if only his body is brought back because he himself sees who he is as just his physical body. Stuff like that
I agree! It probably is exactly what you say. Like how Megumi figured out that he can control all shadows or how Sukuna figured out how to expand the range of what he can target with his slashes. It probably all ties back into the cursed realm too. Hoping for a lore deep dive on that in the coming chapters.
This might be a stretch but I believe this to be hinted at by Sukuna (I think it was Sukuna but don't quote me on that, my memory is under Heavenly Restriction) later on as well, when he says you need a certain philosophy to be a successful sorcerer, i.e. some worldview that defines you and your ability in the world at large.
I'd say it's just a bit more nuanced than that. You can't avoid all the rules that apply to everyone (except for the special case of Physically Gifted Heavenly Restriction which specifically consists in breaking free from those rules and even fate itself), but your will, determination, personal expression and interpretation will allow you to bend some of the rules of nature and jujutsu in order for you to reach the desired outcome and power (it shows mainly through CTs - best examples being Soul Transfiguration, Limitless and Reality Cleave - but also regarding basic techniques "accessible" to all on paper: Black Flash, barrier techniques, RCT, etc.). In my opinion, Kenjaku's statement on the soul being the body and the body the soul, is a general law that only a handful of characters can bypass through the personal expression of their will and CT (Mahito's complete disregard and nihilist desecration of everything humans attribute value to; Nobara's straightforwardness and raw, unapologetic nature amplified by Black Flash; Sukuna's complete dominance over the story and power system...) Regarding Toji, once he was incarnated through the use of his remains, the "empty" body he was granted after leaving it all behind allowed him to negate the grip and limitations the world and jujutsu imposes on everyone, and evolve freely and unhindered by the wills, curses and expectations of others - Toji and Maki embody the Buddhist concept of 'sunyata' ("emptiness"): they've escaped from the cycle of cursed energy, as someone escapes from the cycle of deaths and rebirths once they became enlightened reaching true emptiness by breaking free from their past desires, attachments and suffering; they don't have a will of their own allowing for personal expression and interpretation, they simply *are* (akin to a Boddhistava, they are both perfectly in tune with the natural flow of the world yet untouched by dukkha and the impurity of cursed energy). It's relevant with the post-modernist themes and unreliable/subjectivist narration of JJK: all 3 main antagonists (Mahito, Kenjaku, and particularly Sukuna whose will literally bends the narrative on a meta level) seem to agree upon the fact there is no inherent truth or sacred meaning in this world, with Mahito's spiritual and concrete reification of the soul, Kenjaku who strives to go beyond cursed energy and transcend the limited possibilities this world offer, and Sukuna who's an almost textbook example of the Nietzschean Superman (possessing the most overwhelming individualism in the series which allows him to shape his and others' destiny through his nihilistic will to power and make the whole narrative, characters and power-ups revolve around his personal expression and interpretation structured by his sense of self and exaltation of strength - an evil Buddha of sorts)
@@mattb.7079 Isn’t it a necessary quality for a Boddhistava to refuse enlightenment for themselves/use their enlightenment (I don’t remember) to help others achieve enlightenment?
@@wildfire9280 you're right. Not everything applies perfectly in JJK, there's always a dark twist regarding the religious inspirations (in this case, Bodily Gifted Heavenly Restriction is sunyata, and Maki's progress is basically her realizing the three marks of existence, but Toji and Maki as characters are more akin to the concept of "hungry ghosts" imo). Although, iirc a Bodhisattva still retains the qualities of an enlightened being but just refuses liberation from samsara - even though, it's more fitting to apply the term Bodhisattva to Gojo, Tengen or even Sukuna (he's like an evil Bodhisattva, refusing to die even though he became such a supreme being that he transcended from his human condition)
I have a feeling that we'll see what happens if a binding vow is broken with Miwa. She might pick up a katana unintentionally and then we'll see what happens when one is broken.
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Bro do you want her to just explode 😭
@sanicboi9187 actually kenjaku, the foremost expert on binding vows, said that a binding vow made with oneself and 2 people are completely different. The worst that can happen if you break a binding vow is losing what you gained. So miwa would just be back to normal.
I think her arm might break or fall off.
@lordyoda607 there is no downside to breaking a binding vow on oneself other than losing what was gained. This is stated by kenjaku right before mahito healed mechamaru. I'll trust kenjaku wby?
If the consequences for breaking a binding vow don't have to happen instantly like Kenjaku alluded to, do you guys think that Sukuna may have still broken his binding vow with Yuji?? After all, knocking a girl out and forcefully feeding someone a poisonous objects isn't exactly "not harming" them, no matter how careful Sukuna is.
Could be why he had that cut on his finger after the fight with Yuji and Maki. I don't subscribe to the theory that it was Yuji unintentionally using Sukunas technique or that the executioner sword nicked him.
I’m referring to enchain
@@Screcythey made the binding bow episode 1 or 2 when sukuna regrew yuji’s heart.
I don't understand what you mean. Sukuna doesn't have a binding vow with Yuji that includes not harming people.
@@ShinyNumber1 He wanted to make the vow with Yuji to revive him and in exchange he could take control over the body with a phrase on the condition of not harming anyone while in control. Yuji refused.
Then Sukuna proposed to do the vow without any of the "not harming" conditions, if he wins the fight against Yuji.
In my opinion in the panel Sukuna was saying it's a gamble to try and "harm" people because he wasn't sure if the vow worked 100% since he technically tricked Yuji into an unfair deal. But this confirmed it. If you make a binding vow with someone, it doesn't matter if it's fair or not, as long as both parties agree to it.
(Edit: I checked the manga and what I say is apparently an anime translation. Could be an error or both versions are viable translations because it's a vague phrase? No clue, someone that can translate japanese should look into it)
Gege: Haha yes, it was definitely not because I forgot about it, it will totally be explored more soon guys
LOL I stg he always does that
I figure the reason it’s called a Heavenly Restriction is bc it’s literally placed upon you by the Heavens. Or the randomness of the universe itself.
We know there is an afterlife, somewhat. There’s points where it’s implied and there’s all kinds of references to Hindu and Buddhism.
So, to me, it’s likely that being born with one is something that can just happen at random, and as life goes on, that child (subconsciously or consciously) has the choice to either strengthen their restriction, or to remove it.
It very well might be something that exist within the soul, so within the very soul itself, the choice is made. Destiny is made.
So the reason that I add that it might be an unconscious decision, is bc it’s one the soul is making, which most ppl can’t really see or understand, despite it being their very being.
I always interpreted binding vows as the same or very similar to what they call having resolve in hunter x hunter (since cursed energy is very similar to nen already), where the buffs you get for making and the consequences of breaking one are equivalent to how restrictive the binding vow is, same with heavenly restriction except you can’t break a heavenly restriction unless you have a unique situation like mahito reshaping mecas soul
Agreed! The crazy impressive part about Kokichi was that he gained an able body while still having the powers of his heavenly restriction since he could still puppeteer from a long distance even after dying.
@@ShinyNumber1 yeah I think that’s evidence that since heavenly restrictions are near impossible to break from what we’ve seen, if you find a way to do it there isn’t really any punishment for doing so
Yup jjk just stole the entire nen power system. And all these normies are praising jjk as the best lmaoooo
the "explaining your power binding vow" is also the same as "risk" in hxh
Can you imagine if everything that happened until now was because of a vow being broken in the past? that would be awesome
The most interesting thing about binding vows to me is that as far as we can tell there's no limit to how many binding vows you can make so hypothetically speaking a crazy person can make a bunch of binding vows to to give themselves a major increase in power which sounds pretty cool to me having a super powerful character that could only be super powerful if they follow their own rules.
I really wish at sum point you would mention the binding vow mahito made with himself to get 200% tougher at the cost of not being able to “transfigure” but at the same time I guess it isn’t really anything to be said about it🤷♂️🤷♂️I just thought is was cool how even tho mahito looked uninterested in the kenjaku “binding vow” explanation he still put the knowledge to use during his fight with yuji and got a pretty cool buff from it 👍
YOOOOO I remember reading that in the volume extras but I completely forgot about it when writing the script. Great example of a self imposed binding vow, thanks for the reminder!!
You mentioning Kenjakus forceful binding vow dissolution, reminded me, doesn't Mei Mei do the same with her crows? So as long as you can manipulate the mind you cna force others into a vow.
You're so right! I completely forgot about Mei Mei being able to do that. In the video I said that you can't force someone into a binding vow, but that should be with the asterisk that if your technique allows for you to fully manipulate your opponent that it then does become possible.
@@ShinyNumber1doesn’t mei mei say something along the lines of the crows being ready to die for her. Do we ever hear that she FORCES them to kamikaze?
Sukuna(and probably kenjaku) purposefully make the radius of the domain bigger. This is cos, first, Sukuna could change the radius of his domain to protect megumi, and also when he was fighting Gojo before his brain blew up preventing him from using domains, he said that he would close his domain to make sure that Gojo dies.
Yeah you really only see the villains use binding vows. This is very strange because I would think the Heroes what use it just as much considering theyre dealing with a whole sukuna over here
Question I have now on Miwa is that her binding vow was very open ended, she said she can't wield a katana anymore but didn't specify which type of katana she can't wield. Let's say she was using Tanto at the time of the vow would her using a naginata break the vow?
Very valid question! Personally I think that it depends on what Miwa herself considers to be breaking the vow. Similar to how Sukuna was able to outsmart Yuji with enchain because Yuji didn't consider harming himself as part of the deal. But maybe wielding a european style sword like a small broadsword could still be an option
I like that you posted a video on this topic, I don't hear a lot of people exploring this and it's got a lot of potential to make some crazy things happen in the story, and especially the consequences of breaking a binding vow
Great video! My general thoughts on Binding Vows have been to think of them as contracts. For every contract, there are loopholes or ways to back out from it.
Heavenly restriction is unique. Outside of really interesting circumstances like Mahito and Mechamaru, I don't think the person afflicted with it has any option of breaking it just because the way it has been shown to be applied is always extremely difficult to change/break-an inherent physical deficiency (or blessing) at birth, whether you want to or not. Maki and Toji are physically incapable of producing Cursed Energy, they'd need Mahito or Kenjaku to use Idle-transifiguration and alter their brains to sorcerer brains.
Given that JJK has lots of Buddhist influences + there's a confirmed afterlife, leads me to think that there's only two possible explanations for "Heavenly Restriction:
1. It is involuntarily (in its description it says it is "forcibly" applied on the person at birth) granted/blessed upon the individual by the Universe at birth at random. The Heavens. Etc. I don't think there are any specific Gods in JJK but that it probably has a very Buddhist approach, a living Universe.
2. It's a Binding Vow made between a person and the Universe/Heavens, in exchange for their lives or something equally as precious, grant the Heavenly restriction to his bloodline. We only have two examples of Heavenly Restriction in the story so far, Mechamaru and the Zenin clan. We don't know Mechamaru's family history but the SPECIFIC Heavenly Restriction of massive physical abilites at the cost of cursed energy has occured twice in Zenin Blood, across generations. It's one thing if a bloodline has different Restrictions occur across generations but the exact same one, twice? JJK is all about patterns.
This makes me think option 2 is more likely as option 1 implies it's granted by the Universe randomly. There's also the chance that both are true and there are two ways of getting it, where you either implant it to your bloodline or the Universe grants it to you at birth.
Regarding Miwa's Binding Vow, I think that's another type of Binding Vow, where you clearly outline the cost and the reward to yourself in the self-imposed vow. "If I don't do this, then I'd rather never do X again" OR "If I do this, just this one time, you can take away X from me forever."
So the person knows based on the penalty, how long it will take to take effect. Whether immediate or after a while.
But there are still a few questions about them that we may never get the answers to.
Thank you! You bring some really good ideas to the table regarding Heavenly Restriction. I think I saw something similar on twitter at a point but not in this detail and well thought out. Impressive
As for Miwa you might be right, but for me it's too unclear to say for sure. I think that we'll definitely get more info on it though as binding vows have been getting more and more incorparated into the story. I wasn't sure if I should include it in the video but the chants, hand signs & rituals being able to boost the power of your technique could in a way be considered the real "standard" way to use jujutsu. Meaning that not using it while using CTs would be considered a binding vow where the result is that you get to use your technique earlier but your technique loses efficiency and power etc.
I like to imagine that doing a binding vow that's harsh and quite restrictive would give a stupidly big boost.
Like imagine you could do a binding vow that after saying a word you wouldn't be able to breathe or use your cursed technique until your enemy is dead/defeated but as a result your cursed energy massively spikes and your chances of landing a black flash become near 100%
Yes, but if it doesn't land a black flash or the black flash doesn't kill the opponent, you're screwed. That'a equivalent exchange.
Good stuff. I never thought about how deep these go or rather understanding them more
Thank you! Yeah, I started off with just a little script and realized that it kept going deeper and deeper. It’s why I like this power system so much
The way that I interpreted binding vows is something like putting your Karma on the line as the intermediary to “host” or “maintain” the vow. Obviously the vow would be specific to costs/rules per occasion. So depending on the intended outcome of the vow, the steeper the cost of either positive or negative karma. There is a general theme of manipulating “fate” by giving meaning to actions through binding vows with hopes of a specific outcome.
My main jjk question is who decides what technique someone receives? Like with Kirara, his technique is so specific that I find it really hard to believe that it could possibly be random.
Another question is why does heavenly restriction make you so OP? Because normal people have very little cursed energy so why would giving up that cursed energy make you so much stronger than most sorcerers? Unless they’d be OP either way, like if Toji had been born with cursed energy he’d still be the strongest of the entire zenin clan. But that doesn’t make much sense because it’s not much of a trade off, it’s more of “would you rather be strong because of cursed energy or strong because no cursed energy?”
"curse" energy, so having no curse on ones body probably removes all restrictions to it, making a person utilize their whole physical capabilities.
Great video! Way more in-depth research and analysis than a lot of the main stream JJK content creators. Subbed!
This was a really really good video, I enjoyed it from start to finish
Awesome, thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh a whole video about jujustu pinky promises!
Binding vows are so OP it's crazy.
Agreed! It’s all in how you use it of course. You could be smart with it like Sukuna or make an incredibly dumb one like Miwa 😔
CE as a power system takes a lot from its users perception. Takaba's whole technique utilizes this idea. Since our current understainding of ce is that it is generated through emotion, it would make sense as to how the sorcerer could control their very subconscious beliefs to utilize in battle.
From what Kenjaku said about nullifying the vows he made by hopping in a new body I think binding vows can only affect the body of the whoever made it kinda like the body vs the soul conversation he had with Mahito, since Geto didn’t make the vows with the past sorcerers it would be unfair for his body to receive the penalty of Kenjaku breaking it resulting in the nullification of the vow, plus a potential handicap that can be worked into the story is that since the body is what’s affected by vows and heavenly restrictions what if Kenjaku hops in the body of someone who made a vow, if he doesn’t follow through the body receives the penalty which could weaken Kenjaku, he would be undone by the very thing he spent 1000yrs doing
I believe that Sukuna is referred to as ‘The Fallen One’ and ‘King of Curses’ due to cheating Binding Vows and ultimately abusing them to become so powerful that, well, I don’t need to go into that.
Imagine Sukuna stops Yuji from stabbing him in the next chapter by saying enchain and taking control of his body again 😂😂😂
I could absolutely see Kenjaku withholding what actually happens when you truly break a binding vow because he knows how full of hubris Mahito is and he knew that if Mahito knew the rules and the outcome that, in his hubris, he would try to concoct some stupid plan to beat that rule when there's no actual way to beat it, ultimately ending up in his death. Moreover, I can't think of a better way for Mahito to die than him thinking he's better than the natural law and trying to defy it
I think self-made binding vows can only be with-in the limitations of cursed energy and physics. Like, mass can't be created out of nowhere. That's why Binding Vows are equivalent exchange. Binding Vows are basically the core component of Jujutsu. I have a theory that they are the reason cursed techniques exist. Think about it like this, how did inherited cursed techniques come to be? Maybe the clan heads made a binding vow to pass down their techniques to their bloodline. Anyways, that's just speculation. Binding vows are extremely important for a sorcerer in numerous ways. It's basically like equivalent exchange. It keeps the balance in the world. It's such a cool part of Jujutsu Kaisen.
Also, Miwa's BW is a long lasting self-made Binding Vow, which makes sense why she can't swing a katana ever again.
I agree, it’s really interesting because you see frequently in the story how characters can use impromptu binding vows to achieve better results. Like when todo focused all of his curse energy in one spot to block a black flash and that exchange between focusing defense in one area and nowhere else allowed him to survive. It seems like sorcerers can rapidly strengthen themselves or abilities if they learn how to maximize the benefits to a binding vow, think mei mei and bird strike or sukuna and domain expansion. The story continually shows that the stronger sorcerers can establish binding vows in the midst of battle for impressive returns.
What if miwa's binding vow slash failed because in the future she's forced to wield a kitana, therefore retroactively voiding the kenjaku slash?
That would be sick
Fire vid my man, when’s the next one? 😉
Got a little caught up with school but I’m writing the next one right now, hopefully next Wednesday
The term "heavenly restriction" definitely alludes to a god
Im of the belief that If Miwa placed here life on that binding vow, instead of just being able to swing a katana, she would have injured Kenny.
Binding vow is a really good concept, I wish Gege explained it further. When Gojo and Sukuna fought they were making BV on themselves and everyone didn't know how many times you could do BV and the repercussions are unknown.
Kenjaku is going to break a binding vow since he’s about to die to start the merger. 😉
TRUEEEEE!!!!! Very excited to see how that plays out 😁
Nice video, very thoughtful
My theory is that yuji will soul swap with Sakuna last minute, tricking Sakuna into stabbing megumi body with the sword, wouldn’t that violate the binding vow punishing Sakuna?
That is is, if the soul swapping theory is real
I would argue that the mechanic of explaining your power to make it stronger still risks breaking suspension of disbelief because it is transparently a writing tool to justify characters doing the same kind of exposition within other stories by making it a mechanic. It would work better for me if the ways in which explaining your power affected its strength were a lot more obvious and significant, as I never notice a substantial difference in efficacy of a person’s ability before and after they explain it. It may also help if the mechanic were explained in greater detail within the story in terms of how the mechanic functions on a technical level.
Fair enough, valid criticism
i wonder if ppl with heavenly restriction can just "binding vow it again" to just reverse it
Sixth sense and just “knowing” is definitely prevalent in binding vows. It’s prevalent in a lot of JJK. Look at hand signs and chants. How would you know the words for a chant and hand signs for your technique? How did any of the disaster curses know how to use domain expansion with the “proper hand signs?” Sixth sense and “knowing” is the only correct answer.
Oh yeah when you put it like that… you’re cooking 🔥🔥
Great content my g
Tysm!
great topic for a video
Thank you, glad you think so!
I believe the strength of binding vows are determined by two things:
1. The importance of what is given up. The importance is not decided by the sorcerer thenselves. It is based on the sorcerer's goals, desires, and needs. If their life goal is to climb mount everest and see the view, giving up their sight would be a strong power boost.
2. It matches the personality/character of the sorcerer. The more it matches them thematically the more potent it is. This is hard to quantify, but it makes sense in my head at least.
Thank you for the explanation and amazing video. I hate that Gege just cares for vows and loopholes for the main plot. Dude, Miwa said "Katana" axes, guns, wakizashi, naginata halberd and every other weapon she CAN USE
i’ve literally been saying heavenly pacts are binding vows at birth and ppl thought i was crazy lol. it’s the most broken part of jujutsu and more people will realize as more of the anime starts getting adapted
Kenjaku enters Binding Vows with cursed spirits over 1000+ years, the Binding Vows become void after obtaining Cursed Spirit Manipulation, and 10 million cursed spirits are timely released after Shibuya. I assume Kenjaku hasn't absorbed 10 million cursed spirits using the CSM technique directly, nor does he use CSM to unleash them all, so can you explain why the void Binding Vows allow Kenjaku to unleash the cursed spirits? How does a void Binding Vow and CSM work in tandem? I thought Geto depleted his cursed spritits after the Night Parade; most on the internet point to Kenjaku's nullified Binding Vows as the source of the 10 million released cursed spirits.
Personally I do think that he swallowed that many, or at the very least a large bulk. Geto hated swallowing them and said it tasted like vomit rags or something like that. But every time Kenjaku is shown swallowing cursed spirits he does it with a smile. Dude is genuinely sick and twisted. It doesnt surprise me that he could've swallowed that many in the 10 months leading up to Shibuya.
Also it might be that he only swallowed the ones where the binding vows were unfavorable for him. Comparing to the humans, some of them just joined the game for their own interests (like Kashimo/Ishigoori etc.) while other players needed incentives (like Hazenoki or the girl from ch239). It might be the same for spirits where some joined on their own accord while others made a painstaking deal with Kenjaku which he was able to void by controlling them.
I would like to propose an alternate explanation. I think the vow for the sorcerers and spirits were the same. To incarnate them into a flesh body. The cursed spirits that made the deal with kenny were trying to transcend. Either kenny didn't want to do this or he had a finite amount of vessels, so he only incarnated sorcerers while using CSM to subjugate the cursed spirits until the culling games.
When kenjaku, enters a new body the binding vow made with the past body becomes null, I assume this goes to the body and soul being the same thing and since he switches body’s he also switches souls
@seyihall5411 you realize that's speculation, right? It seems none of his vows with sorcerers were nulled, and the only reason we think we know anything about how binding vows and body swapping work in this series is one throw away line that we dont know the full connotation of.
What Miwa did honestly reminds me of what Gon did against Pitou.
I think Miwa might be phsyically unable to pick up a sword again. And she only found out later, when she tried to do it and then realized that she actually made a binding vow. She can probaly still touch a sword, but it's not possible for her to move it. Maybe it becomes very heavy as soon as she touches it or smth like that.
Regarding this type of vow: I think they are overall less powerful, bc of the time factor. You can theoretically die one day after making the vow, thus only having not done x thing for 1 day, which would have resulted in a small reward. If you'd say "In exchange for no using my main weapong for 10 years" you would probably get a much bigger buff after actually surviving these 10 years.
It could be that 1. Miwa doesnt believe that she will have a long life, resulting in a weak buff 2. The universe knowing that Miwa will not live long and therefore only granting her a small buff or 3. when u make a binding vow regarding the future you get the reward based on an estimate (maybe lowest reward possible or based on an average human life span).
Then it could also be that the reward given to her was very poor, bc she doesn't value the sword much, or maybe even wished to get rid of it.
So in short.
Binding vow:Pact which function like Heavenly Restriction although depends what you want.
Once you make wish what you need/want for exchange you will lose/maybe lose something.
Heavenly Restriction:Biding vow but forced.
You gain something for exchange you lose something. (Like Mechamaru loking like corpse for exchange having giant amount of curse energy or Toji having no curse energy but buffed normal stats)
But unlike binding vows this affect your life from start depending where you live while binding vow is pact that can range from good up to with dangerous loses.
Breaking heavenly restriction:If Mahito technique can do it so it should be Heavenly Restriction just affect body and not soul or it's attached to soul too.
Miwa binding vow:
Pact but instead with person you make with yourself,Miwa had wish for ultimate swing (Buff her cutting) for exchange consequences (like never able to swing) will happen.
If you break a binding vow, you get to meet Gege.
couple theories on when we could see binding vows be broken. First one feels more likely than the second, but first Kenjaku’s “Death” to Yuta might break a binding vow that allows bad stuff to happen. Idk just a thought. Second idea, what if the higarumas death sword forces a binding vow on their opponent that severely limits them. one like “dont move” and then if they do then boom binding vow broken. None of these feel likely at all, but still itd be cool i think
if you just regain what you lose on self-imposed bindings then theres valid copium for Miwa fans?
also doesn't self-imposed binding vows explain modified & barrier-less domains? Malevolent shrine in shibuya is described as one in the manga right? ..not directly (ofc) but if we look at the fundamentals of a barrier-less domain: cant trap enemies (is given up) but has a wider range (is gained)
Edit: nvm the Miwa part, I got to the later part of the video
You are 100% correct regarding domains
Makes me wonder if megumi being inhabited by sukuna would make him realize he could utilize a binding vow the same way sukuna does to have a barrier-less domain
I think something way too many people fail to realize about binding vows is what can be gained.
First, it has to be FEASIBLE. You can’t gain something like X cursed technique.
Second, it has to be BALANCED. This is subjective and based on the author’s whim, but most binding vows seem balanced to me.
Third, self made binding vows seem to be based on cursed energy manipulation. As in, where that energy is allocated. Boosting your reserves by needing your reserves, etc.
Supposing that it isn't Sukuna enforcing the memory block on Yuji then we can also suppose that binding vows are for all intents and purposes actually binding except in cases where outsiders play a role. And rules that apply only to you always apply w/o your will playing into it. The complications come when you get to vows like I will let x fight y. then if z tries to fight y first you probably have to stop them to uphold your bargain. But it isn't clear if that is compulsory or simply "non-optional" to uphold (meaning you can break it by taking no action)
Running on that assumption, it shows that vows to others carry a much higher risk factor. Though that also leaves unanswered weather it is considered a failure if you were at no point aware of z's intentions...
Heavenly restrictions are imposed by the universe and generally no one can undo it. The only exception being Mahito undoing Mechamaru's restriction.
The name is Heavenly Restriction because it is a restriction given to someone by the heavens. We can conclude this because the Zenin would never sacrifice the main branch CT like what happenend to Toji or to repeat it with Maki and Mai
hey I'm an anime only who came for an explanation on the last episode of the anime but got the manga spoiler warning at the start but I'm still really confused about this part. With Fake Geto he said that when he obtained the body of Geto the contracts he had made in the past with cursed sprits became "annulled". After explaining that Yuki says "you don't mean..." implying something truly awful would happen as a result of those contracts being broken, then masses of cursed sprits get unleashed from Fake Geto. However if those contracts were annulled when he got the new body wouldn't that mean any negative consequences would have already happened/ had an effect on the jujutsu world or him WHEN he got the new body, like moment of?? Also why would the contracts with the sorceress of the past not also become void? Is this a strange interaction between Cursed Sprit Manipulation and the Binding Vows? Basically my main question is, is there a SPOILER FREINDLY explanation for the cursed sprits flooding out of Fake Geto fallowing his comments he made about "contracts becoming null with cursed sprits when he got the new body". Thank you for bearing with me and huge thanks to anyone who can clear up my confusion without any massive spoilers, take care!
Oof I’m so sorry if the spoiler warning wasn’t clear enough. So to answer your question bluntly, it wasn’t exactly explained properly in the manga either.
My interpretation of that sequence is as follows. In the JJK0 movie, Yuta makes a binding vow with Rika. But afterwards Rika denies the “payment” and instead ends the vow on her own accord. From that we can determine that other cursed spirits should be able to do the same. Thus fake Geto used the cursed spirit manipulation technique to manipulate spirits into willingly ending the vows that he made with them.
Hope that answers your question 🫡😁
@@ShinyNumber1 Hey thank you so much for responding!! Your spoiler warning was perfect I stopped 10 seconds into the vid and came into the comments to look for answers :). 2. thank you so much this makes a LOT more since in my head now. So if I'm getting you correctly he forced cursed sprits he made vows with in the past to break the vows while voiding the need for Fake Geto to give them payment while collecting his payment? Meaning that with the Rika example, Fake Geto gets the massive pool of cursed energy but forces the cursed sprits, through CSM, to "give it on the house" if you will? I'm only confused on how he came to control those cursed sprits through CSM. during the night parade Getos stock of curses is completely drained in his fight with Yuta meaning Fake Getos inventory was empty when he got the body. Is there an explanation to how he managed to get, according to the anime "10 million cured sprits (released on Tokyo)" in the year between the events did Fake Geto go and fight those cursed sprits to tame them or was part of the past contracts something like "if I get CSM you become mine"? in my mind the shear volume of curses he unleased, given the time frame, just does not make sense even if Fake Geto LOVED swallowing curses. Normal Geto had a cult and only managed to scrape 10k together over the course of a few years. Again huge thanks you have already cleared up a lot for me, any non spoiler explanations for these questions would be greatly appreciated!
Your mistake? (harsher wording than I really mean) at 14:00 in thinking anyone has broken a self imposed vow though right? Her vow was that if she didn't manage it she would lose x. She gained power but it wasn't enough. The logical conclusion is that she now CAN NOT the same as how our protag can not remember the vow as part of the vow. We see that vows made are real and imposed by an outside force when made. The outside force acting upon the user isn't cursed energy because people like Toji wouldn't be restricted if that were the case (what with his lack of energy to impose the rules in the first place). There must be some deeper force that binds people. the heavenly entity that imposes the rules on the world or some simple physics that operates beneath perception.
At roughly 3 minutes, he also doesn't include physics as an option for binding vows.
Either it's you, or it's a god. Forgetting that something like gravity exists in real life.
Guys there's 2 options of what's going on here. Either we are staying on the planet, because we believe that it is reasonable, *or* we are staying on the planet because some entity is keeping us here. It might also be that we have a sense for how far we can move away from the planet. When we think of jumping, we just know if it is a reasonable distance away from the planet.
So we can all agree that empowered words (magical chants) are just another form of binding vow right? In fact, I think it's pretty much confirmed based on what is said about Utahime's technique.
I'm starting to think so too yeah!
As in chants/rituals are the normal way to use techniques but you can make a binding vow to sacrifice power and efficiency for way quicker casting speeds
Even things like Domain Amplification seem to operate on the same core principles. You gain its benefits at the cost of being unable to simultaneously use your curse technique. Which makes me curious if someone without an innate technique can use domain amplification. And if so, what's the exchange? Is it weaker than amplification that gives up a technique? Do you lose something different while using it?
I think perhaps the best way it works is that what they give up is determined by the sorcery, but the magnitude of the return ability is determined by the metaphysics of the universe. This is basically how Nen works, and, given that binding vows are almost a 1 for 1 recreation of Nen restrictions. In this sense it's a sorcerer pushing a ball up the hill and then getting back an equivalent amount back dependent on the severity of the restriction imposed, and while the type of benefit might be determined by the sorcerer, the AMOUNT is deterministic and outside their control.
I always presumed cosmic bureaucracy that assigns cursed techniques within the same clan, that causes 6 eyes to emerge every so often, that makes people be born with heavenly restrictions that grant them super powers, that enforces binding vows. As for how do they know if it worked, it must be some sort of sixth sense as you said. How much pain/sacrifice and conscience is enough for the cosmic bureaucracy to allow the vow.
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I can see that being a valid strat for some people. Even more if they can use domain amp
That makes me wonder if partly the reason Sukuna has extra limbs is due to the fact that he can do binding vows to give him extra lives or something 🤷🏻♂️
It would make more sense that binding vows made with one self where you give up something first are safe to brake but the ones where you get the reward first if you brake them you would be death, but honestly I’m leaning more towards the idea that it is incredibly weak as we didn’t see any effect at all when Kenjaku stopped her sword.
My theory on what happens is that if you brake a binding vow with someone else you lose what you gained and they can chose anything they want as compensation even things like their cursed energy, cursed technique, or their life.
I think this is the case because Kenjaku brakes the binding vow with the curse spirits that he made deals with, but he doesn’t get any punishment for it it would make sense that because he can control them with curse manipulation they are unable to ask for the punishment in return.
In the case that they kill you to get from giving you their end of the deal they also die in return.
Then i also believe that Kenjaku controlled them to resend their vow because if they died while being controlled by Kenjaku it would count as him hilling them and he himself would die.
Miwa's attacks would probably just be incredibly weak if she ever used the katana again. I saw her attack as "This is the culmination of all my potential with this katana." So the binding vow basically used every second of her future potential to fuel the strength of the swing. So now if she were to pick it up, it'd probably be too heavy, or she just wouldn't be able to use it.
Something that might be a clue in regards to whether Heavenly Restrictions are self imposed, forced by third parties, or random mutations, is that Kenjaku seems to pretty heavily elude to the idea that Yuki played a part in Toji's Heavenly Restriction. Then again, it seems unlikely that she's that much older than the rest of the cast as to have been around for Toji's birth.
Another thing, I don't think Kenjaku was saying that the penalty of breaking a Binding Vow with another person is unknown to _him,_ but rather that the consequences are wild and unpredictable, instead of being a static punishment that applies to all instances of Vow Breaking. I don't know though, I don't speak Japanese, so maybe the original wording makes it more clear what he meant, but I can only go off of the English translation. If anyone has some authority on that, please do let me know.
I like your ideas in the second paragraph! I think you could very well be spot on. We’ll have to wait and see, but I do hope that it is eventually revealed
not ever being able to use a katana is an incredibly weak sacrifice, I'd imagine if she staked her cursed energy itself it would've been far more powerful, but still too weak to injure geto/kenjaku
I think if miwa picked up a katana it would be a similar reaction to when Gojo touched the veil set by juzo
The most powerful binding vow is a declaration of love
Heavenly restrictions could be binding vows that were made in a previous life that are carried over after reincarnation.
I think it's likely more akin to a more thematic form conservation of energy in that it's a simple law of the universe rather than something governed by perception or some immensely powerful entity. Just as there are equations dictating how energy is transferred between different forms, there are some unknowable equations that dictate what you get back for your sacrifice
I don't care if gege doesn't explain somethings, but I would really like to see the penalty for breaking a pact
My thought is who are you making a vow to/with? Is there an entity that we are missing??
A big part of jjk is the self, soul and body. Curses gain power from peoples beliefs, specifically (jjk world) Japanese peoples belief in curses, whereas they are not as common elsewhere in the world. So the individual determining the rules of their cursed techniques and binding vows makes sense, as long as it makes sense to them.
thanks for the spoilers warning for us anime onlys
Hope you didn’t get spoiled on anything too serious 🙏
@@ShinyNumber1 I didn't watch
Also a missed point about the explaining vow, is that abilities can benefit from it without revealing anything important. For example Nanami explaining overtime to his opponent, gives his opponent nothing, because it literally just buffs him.
It's just a matter of time Oda will introduce a binding vow into OP.
I think people with heavenly restrictions are mutants; and that their own bodies are the ones that made a 'vow' to trade cursed energy for physical strength (toji) or the a functioning body for more cursed energy (mechamaru)
This is (almost) completely unfounded and just a theory but what if cursed energy has a mind of its own? Which could be how heavenly restrictions (all (that I know of) being based on ce) happen? This could explain the part about babies not really being able to accept a vow, and their ce or instincts just say “yeah that checks out.”
Kinda just came up with this cause I remember hakari’s cursed energy/instincts performing reverse cursed automatically..
But yeah let me know if I’m wrong
Gege is such an amazing writer.
Question: do you think you can gain a curse technique through binding vows?
And do you think you can overwrite a heavenly restriction with a binding vow?
you'd have to give up something major to gain a cursed technique, such as your life.
perhaps all people with cursed techniques are just reborn people who made that pact in one of their past lives, cursing at the world for their weakness?
What would happen if you make a multiple binding vows only to make a vow to restart old vows for new ones
That way you can lose all abilities for new ones only if you didn’t make a vow tie to your death
Don’t heavenly restrictions suggest that there is a god controlling binding vows
Maybe! but that would open an entirely new can of worms lol
I think the rules on reasonablility come from the casters sense of fair play
What if binding vows are contracts that change fate or the fates between sorcerers and and curse energy like two sorcerers or a sorcerer creating there own fates that is permanent or unchangeable and the consequences could be a form of a heavenly restriction that can come in any form of restriction like taking away your curse energy or talking away your ability to walk or anything really
I dont think Kenjaku used curse manipulation to nullify the pacts with the sorcerers of old. I think what he was saying was once he transplanted himself in a new body, any pacts he made with the PREVIOUS body were null.
I feel like the value of the exchanges are just like a law of physics, like equivalent exchange in fma or kurapikas nen restriction. But then again its probably tied to the origin of cursed energy. Why is CE so heavily focused in Japan? Why does tengen refer to CE like chains to break away from? How does toji's freedom from CE allow him to change the destinies of multiple people? I also think this connection between fate and CE is why the story always seems to favor sukuna, whether it be situations some would deem "plot armor" or the narrator glazing him
Kashimo would have been the perfect person to use a binding vow to gain a power up and possibly break the binding vow too. He was already going to die from activating his technique so he might as well have gotten a power boost.
I think heavenly restrictions are sort of self imposed but not in th traditional sense, the guidebooks say that they're forced on a person at birth and since you can't force another person to agree to a vow it can't be a 2 party one, and maybe since it's forced onto them they're also forced to keep it and can't just rectify the vow, if they could then Maki, Toji or Kokichi would've done it by then
“Binding Vow” aka, Gege has written himself into a corner again and a character needs to keep living so they use a binding vow
We know that the world/fate in jjk has a will. Kenjaku uses that as tghe explanation for why hes never been able to obtain or remove a sixeyes user. we also know fate itself will make people interact in order to challenge them (the ideology of the strongest thing) so a 3rd party higher power involved in binding vows makes sense to me.
Does anyone know what anime this scene is from ? Doesn’t look like jjk 6:36
It's from the Blu-Ray Disk version of Season 2 Episode 7! When Kokichi Muta uses ultimate mechamaru to fire a bunch of lasers at Mahito and he shapeshifts into different animals to dodge
The TV release had a bunch of scenes in that episode blurred, dimmed and very rough looking but in the Blu-Ray release they fixed a bunch of those problems :)
I think sukuna broke the binding vow with Yuji when he tore his finger off and I think it just hasn’t taken effect yet
Binding vows seem to be intentional. You need intent to invoke them. Heavenly restriction seems to be an outside power forcing a restriction on you and you just gain a benefit because it technically meets the requirements for a vow. HR seems to operate as a curse upon the target, given at birth, and in exchange for being cursed in this way you similarlly get blessed in another way. Seemingly using the mechanics of godly intervention. Binding vows are intentional evoking conditions to ensure a specific outcome. No curse upon yourself, just willing participation. When it is with yourself the consequences become easy to predict. You just lose the outcome you made the vow for. When made with other people though such a tepid reaction is not enough. So the consequence has to be greater to discourage breaking the vow. I suspect it is possible to still guess what the consequence will be based on what the conditions invoked were but maybe hard to know when it will happen as it can be difficult to know when you are at your closest point to achieving the goal of the vow.
As for vows where you gain something upfront in exchange for later penalties...i think it is just an equal exchange based on what you gave up. Giving up one thing and whatever the actual value the thing is to you informs the reward dispensed. In Miwa's case the reward was so pathetic because what she gave up was equally so. She doesn't value the katana and I suspect her technique will be stronger now that the path she was forced to go down has been closed off. So she gained a truly worthless reward for her sacrifice. Whether she realizes how to go forward with her technique is up to her but she still has options. Her technique definitely doesn't require a sword to function.
Its very interesting that many strong characters of jjk used binding vows at different situations including Sukuna, Kenjaku, Kashimo,etc. But not even once Gojo used binding vows because he never needed it and I feel like its a plot armour that Gojo didnt use any binding vow fighting against Sukuna. Just my opinion. No hate to sukuna fans.
Edit- It may be possible that Gojo used binding vows somewhere but gege never give any explanation but I am sure Gojo never used any kind of intentional binding vow when fighting Sukuna but Sukuna used his previous existing binding vows in his domain to outclass gojos domain.
Maybe not intentional binding vows, but he did switch the conditions of his domain barrier to harden the outside, which counts as an unintentional binding vow since he gives up something for another.
@@ShinyNumber1 Is it possible that Gojo uses a binding vow and set his infinity off for some time to get more CE output and put more damage on sukuna.
Possibly yeah, but I doubt it’d make much of a difference since the six eyes already make infinity use very little energy
I’d say the enchantments that he used at the end are a binding vow
This is a very ignorant statement evwrytimw gojo changed the condition of his barrier it was a binding vow. kusakabe literally explained it, in order to change conditions of the domain you need to make a binding vow, which takes time, which is the reason everyone was impressed when gojo changed condition of the fly. pls read the manga before you open your mouth
The law of equivalent exchange
What if gaining access to CE is a binding vow in itself? The very existence of a curse is a side effect of the existence of sorcerers... also that entity that allows black flash, may also be a binding vow as a thought? Miwa showed that binding vows can be self imposed near immediately; meaning that if you believe with your very being that your punch is perfect, you will get "blessed" with the spark.