Doug Gottlieb on Kidd's comments on Jordan, LaVar Ball's basketball league and more | THE HERD
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- Doug Gottlieb joins Colin Cowherd in studio to talk about LeBron James, Michael Jordan, LaVar Ball and Lonzo Ball.
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Doug Gottlieb on Kidd's comments on Jordan, LaVar Ball's basketball league and more | THE HERD
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Why did so many NBA teams pass on Kyle Kuzma?
stop calling him a basketball legend he averaged 5 ppg lol
The Herd with Colin Cowherd sleep😴😴😴😴
Because it was the nba draft and nobody knew he’d be this good lol...
The Herd with Colin Cowherd Because he was born to be a Laker.
The Herd with Colin Cowherd nobody knew who he was but I guess now most teams regret passing him
People are scared of someone who can’t fit their box and Lavar won’t
#IamA4C scared??? No they're annoyed
Tha Ruthless 1_ AZF They don’t have to watch him .You have the power to not watch something that annoys you but looks like everyone waits to hear what next from the 🐐
its not about race its just a bad idea
#IamA4C exactly especially white folk they like their descriptions.
Neither did Charles Manson, He's all about family too.
Colin is wrong when he says dynasties get lucky by having certain draft picks. It’s not luck, it’s called developing and cultivating the talent you have.
And 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power and will. 5% pleasure, 50% pain and 100% reason to remember the name
Jonathan Shoucair hahahaha
all is luck..to some degree....
Yeah for a guy who averaged 28ppg and 11rpg, AD sure is trash. Smh.
hasnt won a playoff game...
Tristan Ostler sure that's on him
+Tristan Ostler MJ didn't win in the playoffs before Pippen. Takes a team.
he took the bulls to the playoffs as a rookie and did win a game, lost the series but didnt get swept. AD has only been once in 5 years. I could be wrong but did Jordan's Bull miss the playoffs??
Tristan Ostler he didn’t win a game
They spoke of DeAndre Jordan but they must've forgot about Kyrie. The guy only played 9 games and turned out to be a superstar
Mark Ray P He was just using deandre jordan to prove his point thats all.
Mark Ray P
I remember that lol. Kyrie barely played any college
He wasn’t a superstar until he went to LSU “Lebron State University”.
Bryan Jackson LeBron joined him, he didn’t go back to Cleveland for no reason. Kyrie was the main reason he went back the rest is BS.
Ben Simmons’ Dunkgod lebron was already trying to be close with kyrie even before that...the 3 pt contest 2013 that kyrie won shows lebron cheering like a crazy.
D'Angelo a cancer? Wow that's a bit much like damn a cancer?
he's been banged up the past 2 years and forced to play out of position (a sg playing pg). Next year if Lin and Russell could stay healthy we will see how good he really is.
His former team hates his guts.
Brooks Orlando chemistry sometimes Trump skill.
Christian King same thing i thought
He is like a cancer. Everywhere he goes nobody is really goin to respect hom
The hypocrisy is ridiculous with these ppl... I've heard Colin say "why go back to school" on numerous occasions
bigskinny61 think hes talking about football- they dont get paid and can get injured really easily
This is the stupidest argument ever. All of their arguments are extremely biased and based outside of logic.
First, the idea that a player can only learn basketball in a college setting is ridiculous. All of the benefits that college basketball offers can be achieved elsewhere.
Second, NBA scouts will seek the best players. Currently, college is the most direct path, domestically, to the NBA, so the top eligible recruits go there to play. What if the to non-eligible recruits went and played in Lavars league? It stands to reason that scouts, who are invested in finding the best talent would be interested.
Third, fans want to watch the best players. If top recruits went to play at Rucker Park, then fans would flock to Rucker Park. I really could go one destroying the lack of logic in the latest “let’s hate Lavar” campaign.
Finally, the stupidest most idiotic argument of all is big baller brand is Lonzo’s money. Do Jordan, Kyrie, Lebron, or Kobe own Nike? Big Baller Brand is a company, Yes Lonzo is the flagship athlete, but what does that have to do with BBB? BBB is startup competing in a market dominated by giants. I don’t understand why people would be ok with Nike or UCLA or Nike making money from Lonzo's image but have a problem with his father/ CEO of BBB doing the same thing. Even if BBB doesn’t reach the status of Nike and his league doesn't overtake college sports, why is it a crime to try?
It’s time to just give the Lavar his credit. He has done a great job. Why do we sit around second-guessing his every move waiting for him to fail? All innovators have made mistakes and miscalculations, Lavar will too.
*Slow claps*
Christopher Sloss yeah and they only pick the players that fit their agenda. Look at Kyrie he was basically a high school player cuz he only played 9 games and now he a superstar.
Christopher Sloss Yes all the benefits College offers can be achieved elsewhere but not academics which is what needs more emphasis on. Going abroad, playing in the G League or playing for "the genius" Lavar's League is great and everything but how many of these kids do you think are really going to pan out?.1%? . How did Hasheem Thabeet workout? How did Anthony Bennett workout? And they were high draft picks too? I don't even think Lonzo siblings are going to make it to the pros. Lonzo as it is has a lot of deficiencies and has a lot to learn. And if it wasn't for all the hype surrounding him he would not have went that high in the draft. He's not even that good. I would take the Fox kid from Kentucky over him any day. So here they are out of the league at the age of 25 and more than likely broke. What do they fall back on as a plan B? Rob a bank because they didn't take academic seriously? Just look up why the USFL crumbled or ask Trump, because he lost billions of dollars in that League. If they're not generating Revenue they are losing huge profit. Running a league isn't as easy as you think it is. It is capital-intensive and there's a lot more that goes into it then Lavar ball running his mouth and selling you guys this pipe dream.
Christopher Sloss it would be a costly mistake and miscalculation on lavars part. Not only does Lavar not have the money and he would have to borrow it from the bank to finance whatever League he would start up he would be in a deep hole because he doesn't have any collateral. At least when Trump borrowed money from the banks and was hoping to make Returns on it and when it failed he had the casino, properties and other things as collateral
Doug with solid points, as usual.
SHANE DON nope
Root for lavar I hope it works these guys are haters
Sounds like these guys are scared of change
"People scared of change... we not"
-Lonzo Ball
Ricardo Garcia its called being logical
A lot of change doesn’t need to happen.
More like if it ain't broke, dont fix it
soccerzaur09 It is broke though and a scam.
Lonzo ball played at ucla he just learned how to correctly run a pick and roll
He played for one year though, that's their point.
Blair Holmgren it doesn't take more than 1 year to learn a pick and roll.
Blair Holmgren It doesn't take 1 year to learn when to drive on layups. A ton of 1 and done NBA stars are great. John wall is a top 5 point guard. Hes better than Lillard. Hes better than a lot of the people he named. So it Anthony Davis. It's not Anthony Davis fault that the pelicans have yet to give him a solid point guard in a point guard driven league.
Leahy at the end makes me not want to subscribe.
You literally have Doug a nba reject critiquing three successful nba players. The irony
Did he really just say Kobe had holes in his game?!?
dy120481 he did lol he was a selfish player that's a huge hole right there
Jerry Cole Career 5 assists a game average and 5 championships. Yeah, real selfish.
dy120481 Shaq gives Kobe 3 championships and look how he repaid him lul
Jerry Cole Shaq needed kobe just as much as kobe needed shaq... he didn't "give" kobe 3 rings..
gotlieb has Isiah Thomas ranked ahead of Kobe Bryant. he should keep quiet on basketball
BDAPink If we're talking Pistons IT than, he is absolutely correct
BDAPink Isiah Was better then Kobe #truth
Frozilla15 how? Kobe was better at everything rebounding, defending, scoring, all Isaiah has on him is assists. Kobe has more team and individual sucess
Tha Ruthless 1_ AZF stop embarrassing yourself
Michael Gordon how is he embarrassing himself?
Gottlieb is 50x more knowledgeable and entertaining and better looking than L3/8ron Stan, dork, Nick Wrong ... so, why doesn’t Doug have his own show?
I get that ... but that’s also why Doug deserves a sane, sober and basketball centric show. He’s entertaining with out being a caricature like Skip, Shannon, Colin and Nick Wrong
Mitch White lmao he ranked Kevin Durant #8 on his top 10 list 😂😂 he low-key has no basketball knowledge but he's not biased like nick wrong
Mitch White He does not deserve a show over Chris Broussard.
Chuy tha GOAT 2⃣3⃣ KD is without question a top 10 great. Y'all MFers won't shut up about unicorns in basketball, KD is the prototypical unicorn.
Mitch White obvious LeBron hater is obvious.
u have to go to buisness school huh?
hahaha the oldschool thinking ,like they teach how to make money in school :D
I’m 19 and I know what old school basketball is. It’s all about what kind of fan you are, if you’re a casual fan you will not know a lot about old school basketball. If you’re an actual basketball fan you’ll know about it. Simple
Dougie walked on to the scene and laid the facts down in cement.
Gottlieb had KD in his all time top 10 basketball players. His opinion is irrelevant.
Russell Westbrook0
A butthurt Thunder fan... Lol
DAVID R you're telling me KD is top 10 all time? Hahahahahaha
Russell Westbrook0
Did I say that Kevin Durant is a top 10 player of all time. No, but he definitely has a chance of ending up in the top 10 and will probably end up a several time NBA champion. Something that Russell Westbrook won't be able to say as long as he is on the Thunder.
DAVID R this was Gottlieb talking about right now. And KD is probably top 25 all time right now. Russ will be loved in OKC, KD won't be fully loved anywhere.
Okay based on raw skills there are not 10 guys better than Durant I’m sorry
Love it
We get 3 games a week in australia, stretch the audience of the games nba cmon now. Hundreds of thousands of fans misisng out on all the nba action
Doug nailed it with his take on the Lakers at the end... so true
'The previous regime drafted poorly'. It's the same guys, Jesse Buss and Ryan West carried over from before. Plus what is he talking about they drafted brilliantly! Randle, Ingram, Clarkson, D'Lo were all great picks (in hindsight Unicorn would have been the way to go other than D'Lo but not a bad pick by any stretch)
I think this is the first time I've heard that Luol Deng is not about winning. The guy always gave it his all.
They lost me when they started to criticise Kobe
Dally B Kobe is not even a top 20 player
The SelectEdge your dumb
They lost me at Kobe being socially awkward 🤦🏿♂️
The best way to fix this is to get rid of the one and done rule altogether. Let players decide if they want to go to the NBA immediately. Honestly, I think it is important to go to college to work on their game more especially since most of the players who would go to the NBA directly would have been the number 1 option in high school and would become bench players to start their careers in the NBA with a few exceptions. And if NBA teams want to gamble on young players straight from high school, then let them.
There use to be a time when we COULDN'T play in college. So getting to the NBA is not the issue and they can go to school at any age
dont watch their videos, dont support them. the show wil end REAL QUICK.
Most players are trying to emulate Kobe.... not LeBron. Colin would go down on LeBron if given the chance.
clo 1014 Because you can't copy LeBron's game. The things that make Lebron special are his mind and his size. Both God given.
You're very possessive aren't you Colin? My show, my staff my, my my. We ALL know that its your show, after all its The Herd with Colin Cowherd. The reference is there.
If only we all had it figured out like Gottlieb.. lol
Why are we still talking about Lonzo when there are dudes like Donovan Mitchell tearing it up on a nightly basis? Glad to finally hear some love for Kuzma
you know that your boss is a workoholic psychopath when he starts talking to you about work before you take a seat
Doug knows his basketball! #MusicGame913
If magic had this idea for a new league, everyone would be saying it's a great idea. But because people are sheep and hating lavar is the 'cool' thing to do, people dog the idea.
Support small businesses America.
Why are we talking as if four years of college makes a player fail proof? There are TONS of seniors that get to the league and aren't developed. I don't get it...
Jesus Doug with the unnecessary jab at Russell
get this man his own show
Anybody else get lost when he said Kobe had a lot of holes in his game
Doug and Chris show please
Why do they only bring up Kobe's name when speaking about something negative? Smh
The real question is....why isn't this show called the Doug Gottlieb show.
For once I agree with the crazy guy and disagree with you guys. He’s got a great idea, creating competition for the NCAA that rips of their players. So what if he got logistics like how many players will be on the bench wrong? Those things will be adjusted. He’s still in planning stages. He can hire people to run all of it. Don’t hate guys, you don’t have to like him, but don’t hate
These so called “one and dones” have the resources to keep progressing and developing their skill sets at the professional level. Kids can stay 4 years and still not live up to potential. Players need to have intangibles to continue to get great. All the great athletes have those intangibles whether they went to college or came out from high school.
Don’t disrespect my boi D-Lo like that .
This show is always hating on the LaVar Ball mainly because he thinks outside of box. If he fails then criticize him.
You got the G league. Idk why he would ever think this would work.
I would compare lonzo to dennis rodman someone who often passed up open shots and just worried about rebounds even tho i hate steph curry him and lonzo cant be mentioned in the same sentence
I don't agree with the fact that "we now have a league being filled with Lebron kids". Its more so Kobe they look up to than Lebron. And this isn't to say who's better. But Kobe has been more of this generation's Jordan more than Lebron as far as popularity. Most of the rookies now were young kids and teens when Kobe was dominating. I mean Lebron was dominating too, but he wasn't the clear-cut best player in the world the way he is now. I think the generation of rookies and younger players afterwards (2020's) will cite Lebron as their idol or their "Jordan"
All it takes is ONE top recruit to set this league off. Imagine if Zion Williamson decides, yanno what.. I’m going to be drafted in the top 10 of the draft when I decide to go anyway, why don’t I just go make a lot of money to just play basketball and not bother going to school? More and more kids will follow him. Lavar is seeing an opportunity and pouncing on it. He has the potential to strike gold
If Lavar starts this league for as much as they call it a terrible idea they would have a full hour segment on the opening night it starts. How hypocritical.
Wasn't Gottlieb the guy who got kicked off the team at Notre Dame for stealing a classmate's credit card and making several charges on them?
These adults know good and well these schools exploiting these kids making millions off them and they have the nerve to sit up there with a straight face and endorse that foolishness. Nothing wrong with having another option and school will always be there.
Its the search for the next Lebron or Kobe...both who never went to college.
I thought this guy was banned because of his Top 10NBA list.
So you had the best coaching from your dad and high school coach...but you were not ready for college basketball. Sounds like your dad and high school coach were not as good as he just proclaimed them 😂
Luol Deng was all about himself and his stats? That's honestly the first I've heard that about him.
Lavar clearly said TOP players, so players that are ready to go to the league lol not ppl like Colin
The NCAA is just fine. You shouldn’t need to college to make the nba though. The problem is, you aren’t gonna get 80 players like Lebron or Kobe that can go straight out of high school for one year, let alone multiple years. NCAA basketball should be used by people who need it. You still shouldn’t have to do it though. It’s unfair for the one guy that could skip college.
Doug Gottlieb, what teen watches Jordan on you-tube? Really?
Tell me if I’m reaching but it sounded like he was saying nba players aren’t smart( other than Kobe)
As someone who's unbiased on the matter, this idea of Lavars will fail. Although a decent idea, it will fail.
Workin0nit And if it does so what. At least he took a chance.
Overall I am a fan of Mr cowherd. I like his theories and his comparisons to real life situations. But wasn't he the one who said (I think about Sam darnold coming out of college or staying for a year), that he absolutely should go pro because of better coaches and better competition? Why doesn't this rule apply to one and done college players like the Kentucky guys? He's tripping himself.
I agree with Doug's points about college, but to say that LaVar Ball "has never truly run a business" is blasphemous and inconsiderate. Regardless of your preferences, BBB is a successful business - just take a look at the revenues and financial forecasts.
If LaVar is one thing, he's a fantastic businessman.
I think the league is for guys who won't make it in the NBA and g league, so that they can make some money. However, if they are in college they should just finish it. This league won't make money
It’s not like those kids can’t go to college. Everyone is making money on those kids from sponsors to educational institutions (HS, College) to sport channels (Fs1 ESPN) and your right not all of them make it to the league. So why not make money? Who says they still can’t go to college?
kuzma is not overal talented too much ..and he know that..that is why he is trying too much..and work crazy..he know this is his chance...and his mind is in the right place right now
D lo worked hard
Also LA got rid of Nick Young.
He missed his chance after the big 3 came out
Well coached will not make a good basketball PLAYER, only x & o. No more. You still need ability.
D’angelo better than lonzo tho
lavar the kind of guy who never could have worked for anybody
Colin Cowherd will say stuff then say the exact opposite right after. How you gonna look down on the 1 and dones saying they're underperforming while all the guys on the Warriors went to college for 3 years when his lord and savior Lebron James literally came from High School
That minor league idea would only work if the NBA did it themselves. They have the money to do it right.
Colin Cowherd. I listen to your shiw way too much to allow you to contradict yourself on this topic. You've said "beware of the 4 year player" now more college is the end all be all for development? Can't have it both ways.
I believe this could work. And with some support from anonymous donors, they could circumvent the media conglomerates like fox and ESPN, by doing what they did with their a reality show, using Facebook's platform. Granted, the idea needs to be flushed out, but that could be easily done.
And the reason the NCAA has so many success stories is because it's the only game in town for the average basketball player. Who gets nothing for the millions he or she makes for the organization. It is an unfair and broken system that needs to be challenged.
Jayson Levy nah it could not work. The NCAA is like the casino in Vegas The House Always Wins and you have no way around it. No matter how you slice it they would lose money. Trump went bankrupt with that mentality.(No pun intended) that is just greed. And greedy people usually end up paying the price. Stuff always comes back and bites them in behind
School/college isnt for evreyone deal with it wth
Did he say kobe had holes in his game????
I can’t wait for D’Angelo to prove everyone wrong when he get healthy again smh a cancer? The kid made a mistake at 19 with Nick young and played in the shadow of Kobe as a rookie when Kobe was in his last season you could say his real rookie year was 16-17 but its all good the Nets and Dlo will get better and make yall eat yall words.
kobe has holes in his game?!?!?!? wat da fudge
Kuzma>Lonzo
i rather watch BBB league than this show.
Why Colin look like a grandma?
Hate, hate, hate, hate hate!!!!!!
These guys are so narrow minded
I love this show but let's be for real white guys need college to grow up black guys have life for most black guys College isn't even an option not trying to be funny or stereotypical but be for real why you wear a zip face loser other black guys have been working to try to support themselves while y'all were using your parents pass others were trying to figure out how to be parents or deal with the things life have given them just wanted to say that of course I'm going to have a troll say something but whatever the NBA had to start somewhere so let the men tried to build something every time he does anything everyone hates it he puts his kids in the league overseas so what what happen if they make it to the NBA then what everybody going to say he's genius if he fails then he fails but at least he's trying something just because it's not what everybody else does doesn't mean it's wrong it's just different but whatever what do I know
wes matthews that really couldn't of been more stereotypical in terms of race. No matter the race tons of teens work and help support their family. It's not based on race it's based on how hard ones parents worked in their life not because of ones skin tone
How about 18 year olds need to physically develop, and college provides the best opportunity to do so. And that’s something that’s true regardless of race.
Gotham! Where you at? Every gender and race is all on the same earth bud.
Michael Gordon but you are right and wrong because statistics show that the average networth of a white family is significantly higher than that of a black family. That networth plays a huge factor in future success.
TRUUUEE GUY YOUR SO RIGHT BBB BRAND IS A JOKE!!!!!!
college ball is now plantation ball....ncaa is over
More time to develop physical my and mentally plus old fashion discipline and old school coaching made better men and players. Go figure! We can look at our history and see what(generally) worked better ----putcha feelings aside snowflakes
Dude hatin on dlo
Umm kd Lebron
Whenever Doug is on, Colin seems extra coked out. They probably sniff hard with each other before they film you can see it
If LaVar came up with an idea to body bag himself I might pay to see it. But, I doubt it.
I really hope Lavar Ball tries this idea. It would end up being a failure on a level never before seen. And I’d get all the entertainment from watching that train wreck as I’ve gotten from watching basketball over the course of my entire life.
Mike’s Music Reviews At least he took a chance something a lot of people never do. Didn't Yoda just say "Failure is the greatest teacher". You have to take risks. You should be inspired to do the same instead of hoping for someone's failure.
If the failures of others is a source of entertainment for you, then you are a complete loser and a poor excuse for a human. You don't have to like or respect the guy; but wishing failure of this kind is just sadistic.
manansis86 very well spoken
Vince Argon watching failure alone isn’t entertaining. It’s how spectacular the train wreck is that makes it entertaining. It’s like non-Browns fans watching the Browns to get a good laugh. And what’s more, if he tried this, not only would his failure be spectacular, it would also highlight to young men why we have college basketball and why that’s the best thing they could possibly hope for.
manansis86 there’s a difference between taking risks and making stupid decisions. If I tried to run for President, assuming I had been in politics for a while and had at least a few connections,that would be a risk. If I wanted to become an NBA player, keeping in mind I’ve never played organized basketball in my life and I’m 5’7” and 145 pounds, that wouldn’t be a risk, that would just be stupid, because no matter how hard I worked, it would be a failure with absolutely no chance of success. It’s a matter of whether success is possible. And the idea put out by Lavar Ball is a failure waiting to happen that is built on the idea that college isn’t working (an incredibly moronic idea).
Kyle kuzma is great right know because he’s a matured athlete and has a matured game he spent 4 years in college by next year lonzo will be better than kuzma but kuzma will be a great player