ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Use promo code: MACREACT14 for up to 14 FREE MEALS + 3 Free Gifts across 5 HelloFresh boxes plus free shipping at bit.ly/3ppVYm6
THANKS FOR WATCHING!
We've really enjoyed watching this series with you guys! Feel free to leave your favorite Tv and movie recommendations below!
And let us know your thoughts on Arcane in the comments below!
Don't forget to follow us on social media to stay
up to date with all our videos!!!
Instagram: / macreact
Patreon: / macreact
(our Patreon is 1 tier with members getting 1 extra movie reaction a month)
Song credit:
Music Promoted By FreeVlogMusic.com
• TAKE CARE - R&B SOUL m...
TAKE CARE By Julian Avila
/ julian_avila
Thanks for all the support guys!
Like & Subscribe to catch the rest of your favorite shows with us!
Link to Arcane Playlist - th-cam.com/video/qc-BpW1z3KA/w-d-xo.html
Link to Patreon - www.patreon.com/macreact
(This month's bonus movie: Free Guy)
When Silco was talking at the statue, he was talking about how he was really gonna give up on his dream rather than Jinx. But Jinx was scarred so much that she didn’t even consider the possibility of Silco sacrificing the dream he envisioned for years, just for her, someone who “messes everything up”. So it was a misunderstanding. Silco genuinely loved Jinx like his own daughter.
This therapist does an amazing job of explaining Silco and Jinx
th-cam.com/video/r8xTj4nmBx8/w-d-xo.html
You guys are real quick to applaud Violet's self-serving "one dead kid" speech, when JAYCE is the reason that kid is dead. Silco didn't kill that kid, Jayce did and you're sitting up there agreeing with her like she didn't convince Jayce to go down there in the first place.
You guys have a warped sense of ethics.
I don't know if you guys would like it and this is not something you would likely react to but you guys might just enjoy it. Georgia Dow did a break down on Jinx, Jinx/Vi, and Jinx/Silco breakdowns from a therapist point of view and I thought it was a amazing break down. Anyways since you guys like the series I thought I would mention it.
hi guyz I liked your reaction thx alot but you should check the reaction of therapist to Silco she is explains everything about Silco as a professional look.
Silco actually is a thoughtful dad to Jinx. when Jinx did serious mistake as a powder Vi goes crazy and told her ''Mylo was right your jinx''(well I dont blame her for those words but it sad for powder anyway) but when Jinx did same level mistake and kill Silco he says dont cry your perfect. thats shows the who really loved Jinx. I mean Silco way more deserve be stand near Jinx not Vi.
Ep9: "All we ever wanted, the boy didn't even haggle."
Ep1: "He paid in gold and didn't even haggle."
Absolutely genius writing.
Jeez. Nice fucking catch.
It'd be interesting if it was the same person. Sadly so far all we have is two instances of Jayce "didn't even haggling" potentially.
@@ardeof So, in episode 9, Silco is talking to Vander about his conversation with Jayce when he says the boy didn't even haggle. So, not potentially there. And in episode one, Claggor asks Ekko where he found out about Jayce's apartment, Ekko says he followed him, because he bought a bunch of expensive stuff and didn't haggle over it. So, it's Jayce there as well. No potentially Jayce about it.
Ngl its not that complex or genius its simple story telling and bringing things to full circle, you could do it
@@_ripVanWinkle_ simple thing to pull off, but it can be done in many different ways.. some can variate in difficulty
Silco "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
I have yet to see a reactor understand what that means...
Silco was never going to give her up.
I mean it could be interpreted both ways I guess, what's confusing is that Jinx hears this line and think Silco's gonna give her up, so I can see why someone might interpret it the same way Jinx does. But in context with everything that happened in the show... there's more than enough evidence to support that Silco meant a daughter was "undoing" because it means he has to give up on his dream, which undo everything he worked for.
Jinx keeps fucking up Silco's plan, making trouble. Silco has no issues using violence, intimidation or even killing people who fuck with his plan and this is shown multiple times in the show; yet he's always soft and loving with Jinx and he keeps her around... even when she fucks up. He never used violence or intimidation on her. Even when she fucks up in a major way at the end and kill Silco, all he say to her is "Don't cry, you're perfect"
When Jinx get badly hurt at the end of episode 7, the first thing Silco does when he sees her is stop absolutely everything he's doing, and brings her to Singed himself. He could've asked someone else to bring Jinx, but she's more important to him that his dream, so he does that himself. When he wakes up and think she's dead, he almost kill Singed in anger...
It's clear he genuinely cared about Jinx. Was their relationship good? Healthy? Hell no! But it was genuine.
@@Sp4rKzTV 💯
I still cant clearly understand the word "undoing" in this context, since english is not my native language. For myself in this situation I have translated it, as some sort of "is there anything so disarming as a daughter", like "undoing" is smth that makes your initial intentions fade away and become less important than something else.
Dictionary proves me wrong, translating it like "destructive", but that sounds not accurate at all in the situation we see in that scene.
Im confused.
@@vuzuruges9909 Synonyms for Undoing would be, ruined, downfall... So if something is your undoing, it's basically defined as being the reason for your failure.
It could be interpreted as Jinx fucking up Silco's plan all the time being the reason why he has to give up pn his dream (which is how Jinx understood it and why she thought he was going to give her up).
Or...
It could be Silco's love for Jinx is genuine and he will not give her up no matter what, meaning that he will still have to give up on his dream. Again, clever writing to make it so ambiguous, because it allows the last scene to make sense in the context of the show. Jinx as a Character doesn't have access to the same information as we have as a viewer (this is often overlooked in so many shows and movies). She was unconscious when Silco rushed her to Singed for example. And she just arrived to eavesdrop on Silco talking to Vander's statue, withoit context or anything... so it make sense that she would not know what Silco really meant. Given her mental illness and her past where she got constantly rejected by her friends for being useless, being abandoned (from her point of view, again she doesn't know Vi tried to come back) it's easy to understand why Jinx would see it thay way.
I'm having the reverse, these are the first reactors to not understand what Silco was talking about. Every other reactor understood.
The missile weapon Jinx fired was the weapon Silco had her working on since she stole the gemstone in episode 4. She brought it to the family dinner when she got the Mylo and Claggor puppets.
Silco was never going to accept Jayce's offer. The moment that Jayce demanded Jinx in exchange you can see and hear Silco refusal. When he was at Vander's statue he was talking to his dead brother because he finally understood what happened to him. After Vander saw what his fight had cost and took in the girls he wasn't willing to give them up for anything, not even the independence of the undercity. Silco didn't understand that then. But he does now. He could have everything he spent his adult life fighting for, everything. All it would cost is Jinx. Jinx whose emotional issues interferes with his business. Jinx whose behavior causes friction with his allies. Jinx who he loves more than anything else, his daughter who has replaced his dreams and hopes with dreams and hopes for her. He'll never give her up, not for anything.
I just hope they read this to know what exactly the last part is.
Silco's the kind of villain that's so well written it's hard to hate him, and at the same time it's hard to love him as well considering all that he has done.
Or you can also say you both love and hate him at the same time.
@@Nata-ch2bk And even then you have to recognize that his villainy doesn't even come close to the Council's.
Silco "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?" if people understood this quote they would realize Silco had no intention of giving her up.
@@mandalore1089 I'd say it's a different kind of villainy.
The council is mostly about corruption and going for profits while turning a blind eye to the negative side effects for the least fortunate people of the equation.
Silco is more direct villainy. If you analyse his plan in episode 3, that's pretty scary. He was literally planning to have Vander's children killed in front of him while he was tied to a chair, and then proceed to kill Vander. It's hard to find a more evil plan than that. Pretty sure most of the council members wouldn't go that far, in a direct way I mean.
But yeah the corrupt councilors are causing even more problems overall if you look at the bigger picture.
When Silco said "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter", it's because the only thing he wanted in life was his nation of Zaun. But Jayce wanted the only person that Silco truly cared about, Jinx, which he considers his daughter. So his adopted daughter finally got in the way of his dream. Same thing that happened with Vander with Vi, he gave himself up so that his daughter wouldn't be taken.
the guy is dull, how is someone can not keep up with the plot?
It's meant to be two sided, I can see why someone could take it that way, because thats how Jinx interprets it.
@@ozymandias3068 he's not, in all fairness, I've watched most reactors to arcane and a good chunk thought he would give Jinx, mostly because how she reacted behind the statue.
@@yuushouma1263 most of the reactors should stick with CW shows honestly
@@ozymandias3068 if something like this already makes you upset, you really shouldn’t watch other reactors lol
Jinx does remember her old family. Vi doesn't understand that thinking about them hurts Jinx. Mylo Claggor and Vander are good memories for Vi, but they're a nightmare for Jinx. Vi didn't understand that. Not her fault, she was gone, in prison, but all the same Vi is lacking context for Jinx's trauma.
finally someone said it. i was annoyed that some people fully blamed silco for everything that happened to jinx. vi had faults too in regards to jinx . its just a matter of unfortunate causality of events. there is no one to fully blame
@@Dryztan Silco was the one who forced her to erase half of her identity… Vi didn’t have anything to do with that she was locked away in prison.
And where does Jinx take accountability in all of this? Atp the shit she’s doing are her own choices
Vi is just as traumatized as Jinx is… so I don’t see how you can expect a person who is just as traumatized and mentally unstable to help her sister… she has her own issues she has yet to deal with.
Mylo/Claggor and Vander are people Vi herself saw die right in front of her… Jinx is not the only one damaged from it… trying to erase what happened isn’t doing her any favors … she needs to face the trauma and deal with the consequences of that… she killed them, she never took accountability for it because of Silco’s teachings.
@@HazelAmarie she took accountability for it her entire life. It is the entire reason, why they appear as monsters in Jinx's mind. She knows she killed them, and she can't forgive herself for it. Yes, facing your trauma can sometimes help. But it sure as hell can also be what pushes you over the edge, which it did in this case, as Vi (unknowingly) triggered all of Jinx's "demons" at once.
You don't just face trauma. You work your way up to it. Silco knew from himself, that he could cope with Vanders betrayal by dissasociating himself from it and treating it as a different person. He tried to help Jinx, because Vi could only bring up the demons. Vi didn't want Jinx. She wanted Powder. Only thing is, Jinx can never go back to being Powder. Powder was the innocent child. Jinx is the one who has to deal with the fact that she murdered her family. Vi is basically saying:
"i want you back, but not 'you'. I want Powder, the girl that doesn't exist anymore"
@@DanishHellhound That’s not taking accountability… she was haunted by the images of what happened and tried hard to erase them… that’s not taking accountability.
I don't think Silco told Jinx all those things about Vi betraying her and not caring for her, to manipulate her. I think that Silco genuinely saw himself in Jinx, both betrayed by the people they saw as siblings. He felt that it was truly them against the world, and all those things he told her about no one understanding them, no one caring about them, and how she needs to accept that Vi doesn't love her was all the things HE did to get to where he was today.
He told Vander in episode 3 that he let go of his anger, but kept the respect for Vander, and that the pain and betrayal shaped him to be even stronger. That's what he wants from Jinx. Not to hurt or manipulate her, but for her to use her pain as a way to get stronger and be who she was meant to be.
That final scene with jinx and silco was perfect
Actually in ep 4 we hear Silco telling Jinx to "finish the weapon" in one of his fatherlike lines, so the bomb was something that they were already planning in case of no getting independence from piltover formally with Jayce.
“What is that?? It’s a hand.. I don’t know”
*league players in the chat TRAUMATIZED with our knowledge*
Mel has some sort of shimmering golden plate on her skin. The camera made the effort of x-raying her dress to show it to us. It can't just be for decoration. I think she's going to make it. But I would be deeply surprised if Cait's mom didn't die.
Silco would never have given Jinx to them. He told the truth when he said would rather see them burn. His musings at the statue was his realization that he never could give her up and he tried to come to terms with. Hence the brooding and the drinking. It's also a parallel to why Vander stopped fighting for the undercity when he decided to protect young Vi and Powder instead of fighting. That's why Silco said "Oh, I understand now brother."
27:55 Before the surgery on Jinx, Singed told Silco "I had a daughter once." We can assume that's who's picture is in the locket.
Without giving any info the body is a spoiler that league players would understand.
"Anything as undoing as a daughter?" God I love this man. Not a good person but damn, he wanted for decades for the Undercity to be independent of Piltover, and the cost for that independence was Jinx. Jinx was more important to him than the Nation of Zaun, and that love is what undid his decades long dream. He truly was ready to let both cities burn just for her.
Thank you so much for your videos! I was really looking forward to see your reactions and comments, love the fact that you guys took the time to watch again to theorize about things. I will be waiting for the new content. I hope you two have a great week and glad to see Madison is doing better, stay healthy!
On the topic of peace between the council, I think having Viktor, a Zaunite, be there also impacted the councils decision. Great reaction, can't wait for season 2!
You guys missed the point of silco’s conversation with Vander at the statue.
People who say that jinx ruined the peace detween piltover y zaun did
not pay attention to the serie really because the condition that jayce
put silco in order for there to be peace between the two cities was that
silco deliver jinx to justice, even if jinx in the end of the chapter
would not fire her cannon against the council there would be no peace
anyway, silco would never do that and jinx would no surrender
voulntarily either...so, even without jinx firing there would still be
conflict between them, zaun and piltover.
you are absolytly right with Sinjed taken Vander's body and maybe turnin him to a warevolf
cause LoL has champion named Warwick and he's lore pretty similar to what happend with Vander in show
it's not totally coformed, but
I don’t think a lot of people realise when jinx has vi tied to the chair she says she heard vi’s voice when al the colours turned dark and that’s why she’s alive means she was going to possible k|| herself
The condition for peace was Jinx's life, which was never going to happen.
I just noticed that when jinx was wearing the gauntlets she actually fixed it considering the weight of those when broken. No hex energy leaking out like when sevika stabbed it and she doodled them too.
Singe the dctor in game lore created a werewolf monster and they were teasing that warwick will be in the 2nd season.. you could watch Warwick champ teaser see what he realy looks like..
and some theorized that Vander is Warwick because of his ingame interactions with Vi and Jinx..
Like.. " Who tought you how punch" when he encounters Vi..
I'm sorry guys but I think you are ignoring a very important detail! Analyze Mel's reaction as the rocket is flying towards them! She noticed it beforehand, and the golden glow of her armor is definitely not a detail to ignore!! We don't know who Mel is in lore because she's not a champion in the game, but there are hints throughout this story that suggest she might be more important than people think, think about it this way, she's the only non-champion character that got background story, and you saw her development throughout. My personal opinion is that she is a magic wielder, I believe she somehow protects everyone in the council. Jayce and Viktor HAVE to live, and Cait's mom should live as well afaik, knowing jinx that rocket should blow up the entire building, so for Jayce and Viktor to survive we need a deus ex machina.
If the showrunners wanted Mel and the council dead, they would have killed them to end the episode for the highest impact possible. But they didn't they deliveratedly chose to end the show with this seemingly magical ability coming from Mel. (which is kinda hinted by the golden streaks she painted on top of her mom's artwork). I truly believe Mel will be one of the main characters in season 2, I'm also hoping for Singed (the doctor) to play a bigger role, because in Lore he's involved with a lot of characters, a warewolf included, and we are already speculating on who his daughter is!
There are other Zaun and Piltover champions that could show up in season 2! I'm extremely excited, I hope you guys are too! I loved your reactions!
"she's the only non-champion character that got background story, and you saw her development throughout"
Silco? (Episode 3 intro flashback background & a crapton of development.)
Also they couldn't have shown the outcome of the impact. This story was the origin on a villain, Jinx. Her final actions, sitting in the Jinx chair (finally fully embracing Jinx) then with her own agency striking against the Council. The final song "The Monster you created", was her. This wasn't a cliffhanger in regard to that story/theme. This exact moment finalized her transformation. Showing what happened next would only lessen the real ending. This was exactly the ending it needed to be.
So by ending where it did, that doesn't lessen the risk to Mel. And think of the very personal motivation her death would give to her mother and Jayce to wage war back on Zaun.
Silco didn;t make Jinx become anyone, she was fucked up from episode one, she was threw a nail bomb grenade at someone, though it didn't work. SHe needed mental help, but never got it.
In the end, she Jinxed everything. Killed her father figure and ruined the chance for peace un 10 minutes flat. But Silco did say ''they can all burn''
now we all wait for the next season
Now we all cryogenically freeze ourselves until 2023!
I think in season 2 we see how jayce convince the council after the bomb exploded
I know yall been watching other shows to react so I don’t think we can blame you on some of your points but.
1st. 25:30 it was actually silcos plan. I don’t really remember, is supposed around ep6/7 when jinx went back to silco about her finding out her sister is still alive. Silco : “you must complete the weapon”. And so you know Silco was ready to go to war for his people especially for jinx.
2nd: I don know how you think the part where Silco and Jayce was deciding on a contract that you are so sure his gonna give her away 😀. Literally after Jayce mention jinx name his eyes were like “hell naw what makes u think I’m gonna trade her” “those weren’t her crimes she was working for me”
He truely loves jinx as his daughter and was ready to go to war just for her. As you can see in many instances such as when she was dying on the bridge and so on.
3rd : After killing Silco, Jinx probably couldn’t forgive herself anymore, that’s what she’s become. No way after killing Silco she’s gonna go hippity hoppity back to vi and become powder again. She shot that in honour of silco. Back to ep3 “we will show them all”
4th: there was never gonna be peace since silco wouldn’t hand in Jinx and jinx is part of the contract.
Lazy to check my grammar don’t flame me.
Edit: I just realised that my comment is useless because someone already mentioned it below but gj for correcting them my arcane fans 😀
jinxs joke really got me gasping for air 😭 I couldn't breathe till she pulled out Cait bruh 😭
i mean it's was pretty clear that jinx was always silco first priorities
If you get a chance...go back and rewatch them again, and pay close attention. Almost every event in the earlier episodes has a direct parallel event later on.
.
For example, Powder kills her "family", in ep 3, and then again, in ep 9...ruining what was otherwise already a sure thing, in the process. Vander and the kids were on their way out...and it was only Powder's bomb that screwed them. All Jinx had to do at the end was willingly turn herself over for the sake of Zaun, even against Silco's objections, and they'd have gotten their peace. Frankly, if Jinx turned herself in, I'm actually willing to believe that Jayce would've agreed to let Silco visit her. Considering her inventive talents, they might've even found some way to give her opportunities to help improve various tech. But, that was never going to happen.
.
Also, in ep 1, Ekko mentions how Jayce (not yet named) came to Benzo's shop and paid gold without even haggling. While Silco is talking to Vander's statue, he too mentions how Jayce didn't even haggle over Silco's demands. Because for all that Jayce had been through in his introduction to politics, he's still fundamentally someone who wants to help people (even if he's misguided and naive about it). He doesn't want to screw over anyone, for any reason...most especially not for his own gain.
.
Another fairly obvious one is when Jayce was about to jump to his (really slow, agonizing, and not-all-that-likely death from fourth floor), Viktor conveniently stopped him. Later, when Viktor was about to jump to his (much faster and more assured) death in the industrial area, Jayce stopped him.
.
The show is positively rife with such callbacks...often directly causally related. The writers had a great feel for events causing other events...and how, when nothing fundamentally changes, those events can seem to repeat themselves. Most writers shoehorn that kind of thing in, and it's really kludgy and ugly. The deftness and subtlety with which it was done in Arcane is top-tier.
28:10 that is Warwick one of league champions he is kinda like werewolf and its also maybe Vander after Singed experimented on his body and bring him back to life or its just someone we dont know about its all in Warwick lore
A few things,
The painting Mel destroyed was a painting of a city in Noxus, basically her showing that she made her choice before the meeting even occurred.
The gun was designed after a shark, a creature of the deep like what Silco thought of himself and his people as he stated in the earlier episodes. She was planning on giving it to him as a gift.
Silco is a foil to Jinx showing that she is like him, a child who was corrupted and betrayed by the downtrodden life of the Zaunites. In fact she likely killed more people than he had. It’s ironic that more people feel for jinx than Silco when they are basically the same character, just at different stages in their lives.
The whole point in the end was that Jinx was truly “too far gone” she wasn’t powder anymore than Vi was the same as when she was a child. There wasn’t a switch to turn to turn her back. Vi could never accept who jinx was now and she proved it when she kept trying to change her “back”.
Also what was hanging over Singed was Warwick. A character in league of legends. Many people theorize that Singed turned Vander into him.
it will take 2 years, so set back and relax
riot doesn't need money, they want perfection.
for the animated trailers/shorts I would strongly recommend you add "Welcome Aboard | Odyssey Animated Trailer" to the list. It's got Jinx in it and many Arcane fans love seeing it! also a completely different "universe" than arcane or the games so no spoilers whatsoever, not that there are any arcane spoilers in the shorts overall that I know of.
Hands down best reaction to Arcane, by leagues. So smart, ty
well the first season was in the making since 2013 i guess. that was the year jinx was released and they started somewhat after that (btw watch the "get jinxed" video. thats how we got introduced to jinx back in the day. maybe a reaction video? :D)
they should have a good idea of what is coming in season two. there are characters in the card game from league of legends that somehow show what might go down in piltover and zaun. so i think season two should take them some time to keep the quality but not longer than 2 years!
We will be dropping the reaction to the "get jinxed" video you recommended soon. And also, I've heard about the card game but I'm scared to start playing because I'll get obsessed with it and you guys will never get another youtube video lol.
If it makes you feel better, there would never have been peace because the deal was they get Jinx, or no deal.
I was waiting this one
Season 2 only 3 months away only took 4 year to come out lol
There's a theory that vander is warwick
28:40 Warwick
its vander
Would be cool if you explored some of leagues cinematics while we're all waiting for season 2 of Arcane.
Thanks for the reactions it was great to rewatch with ya ! Such a great series ! So many good characters ... no black or white everything is grey i guess
You should know the lore about league universe it is very nice and creative.
I've really enjoyed your reaction series, but I do think you guys missed the significance of Silco's monologue at the Vander fountain. The whole point of that scene was that he found himself in the same position Vander did years before (having to give up his "child" and refusing to). Thus the line "It all makes sense now, brother. Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
Silco was never going to agree to Jayce's terms. He was prepared to sacrifice his dream of the Nation of Zaun to protect her, just like Vander was willing to sacrifice everything to sacrifice his children. Full circle. The show is really about fathers and what they are willing to do to protect their kids. (Let's not sleep on Marcus, who did all the terrible things he did because Silco would have hurt his kid.)
Also: Jinx ended up killing her family, again. And essentially putting the nail in peace deals. Living - yet again - up to her namesake. :)
when silco was talking at vanders statue, he was understanding why vander didnt fight anymore after taking in Vi and powder. When silco says "it all makes sense now", he understands vanders choice after taking in powder/jinx. He wasnt going to give her to them, thats what he meant when he said there is nothing so undoing as a daughter, he was giving up zaun, not jinx. also silco didnt make jinx, she choose it, he just accepted her for who she was.
exactly even the actor said the same
This.
This is why I love Silco so much. What a great villain.
if your only options are deluding yourself about your traumatic past or living in constant pain i don't think that is a "choice" anymore. silco is an amazing complex character but i feel like some of you forget that he exploited powder's traumas and insecurities for his own benefit. jinx is a product of a lot of things, and silco was part of it.
@@orianar8344 this. Like dude ended every little sweet nothing he said to her with "so how about that weapon". And also lying to her about her sister... Do people think it's good for her mental health to think her sister abandoned her? And I'm sorry but the actor is just as delusional as the rest of them. His Twitter is nothing but sharing cutesy silco dad of the year memes. Did anyone actually watch this fucking show?
When Jinx brings out the cupcake and goes „Sheesh, I am not THAT crazy…!“ 😂😅
Some of the funniest and well-dosed comedic relief while still keeping the tense atmosphere of the situation! Loved that scene/line!
Yeah and in the end it doesn't seem like she actually wants to kill Caitlyn anyways, since she had the possibility to do it multiple times including at the end after killing Silco. She just understands that killing Caitlyn will definitely turn Vi against her big time and she doesn't want that. That's why she asks Vi to do it but she's not gonna do it herself.
@@Nata-ch2bk it was never about she getting rid of Cait, but Vi getting rid of Cait FOR her… it was about Vi picking Jinx over her other relationships.
@@biazacha exactly jinx is incredibly smart I mean she made a weapon capable of harnessing the gemstone with scraps in a short time, I think she was testing VI when she made the reveal to see what she truly thought of her, VI being scared of the reveal shows she sees jinx as a monster that's what jinx wanted to find out. Just my thought
It was also a really nice line because it showed us the limits of her craziness. We have a better picture of her mental state now.
@@Nata-ch2bk I don't think Jinx actually wanted Vi to kill Cait for her, though - the entire "Dinner Party" seemed like Jinx was desperately trying to make Vi realize that she wasn't Powder anymore, let go of the memory of who she used to be, and just accept and love her as Jinx.
I think what Jinx was really hoping for, when she said: "Send her on her way, and you can have Powder back," was for Vi to reply something like, she didn't want Powder back, she'd want to keep Jinx - only that option didn't even occur to Vi, which was why Jinx got upset and pointed the gun at Caitlyn after Vi's refusal.
Also, notice that "I made her a snack" if taken at face value, meant that the Cupcake *and* the Hextech Gemstone was intended as a gift *for* Caitlyn... if only Vi could accept her as Jinx and let go of Powder - she might not even have intended the double meaning, and was disappointed that Vi thought she really was "that crazy".
It is pretty clear throughout the show that Jinx has almost no social skills and is really bad at communicating her feelings - she isn't manipulating Vi, she doesn't seem to even understand the concept of manipulation (which is why she gets so angry when people "lie" to her), she was just trying to make Vi understand her, the only way she could think of.
That's my take on the scene, anyway.
I said this before and I'll say it again ARCANE IS A MASTERPIECE🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Man Silco had a mug that Jinx made for him on his desk and an ashtray that she doodled on. That's kinda adorable
Jinx scribbled all over that when she hung Sevika onto the ceiling, right after Vi was released. He just never got to clean it up in the short time
@@inazuma-fulgur That's an assumption with no basis in evidence. We never see Silco's ashtray before Ep. 7 but based on Jinx's other knickknacks on his desk, like the monkey mug and owl figure that we see in Ep. 4, I think it's very reasonable to infer that it had always been that way. It decorates his desk just like the other stuff as when a kid makes their parent a gift in art class or draws a picture for them that they take to work.
@@benmoore8809 we don't see him have any items made by jinx in his office
And I don't think it gives the big bad™ vibe Silco needs for his business either, it's "unprofessional" (weird to say, but in context it is what it is)
@@inazuma-fulgur You're kidding right? Check out this clip from Ep. 4: th-cam.com/video/DXIjbe-2bB4/w-d-xo.html There is very clearly a mug decorated to look like a monkey, i.e. Jinx's calling card, and what looks to be an owl figurine colored in her style. The animators deliberately added these details to hint at how Silco thinks of Jinx; he's a father who decorates his desk with gifts his daughter gave him. The ashtray is another one. Yes he's a "big bad" but he's more complex and nuanced than that. If you think that's all his character is, then you didn't pay attention.
"you have to complete the weapon" they were planning to attack piltover first. But that was before Jayce offered him peace in return for Jinx. But when Silco was at the statue she misunderstood Silco. And when Vi said "powder wake up", it was only hurting her. You see that the monster around her getting bigger and she's getting smaller. Part of why I think she said "i thought you could love me like u used to" is Jinx realizing that Vi couldn't accept her as Jinx. After all Vi kept calling her Powder. I'm not blaming Vi. It's honestly sad for both of them.
Silco at the statue scene "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?" Not only does Jinx misunderstand what he said, but from what i've seen all reactors misunderstand that quote... That essentially meant he was never going to give her up.
@@eireenelily2302 yea. I thought it was pretty clear for us the viewers when he said "thousand times I've imagined this moments, never like this" and "oh it all make sense now brother."; finally realized why Vander stopped fighting for the undercity. I mean it's kinda understandable that Jinx would misunderstand Silco because she's been having doubts with him ever since he didn't tell her that Vi was back. (edit: additional points on why it should've been obvious that he's not gonna give Jinx; he lied saying "they weren't her crimes. she's working for me" when it was Jinx's own plan to steal that gemstone in episode 4)
What you may not have noticed is that Silco would have started a new war (which will now happen anyway) by not giving up Jinx. But he already had the weapon that he had made her build especially for the war, so I would say it was not a difficult decision for him in reality
@@Flatrid I'd say it must've been a somewhat difficult decision for him to make since they show us how frustrated he was after jayce left. I don't think Silco necessarily wanted war. He was mad when Jinx killed 6 officers, he accepted Jayce's request to meet him in private; No bodyguards, No sevika, and obviously he finally understood Vander.
@@zahrulexe Silco was frustrated because the opportunity presented itself to him to make it easy and he is forced to deny it (even if he hadn't decided yet). Having what he always wanted, Zaun to rule, with little effort, but he has to give up because he doesn't want to give Jinx away. Silco has been preparing for a war for years: he created the fighting monsters with shimmer, he had Jinx build the weapon at the same time that Jinx stole the gem. Also, Silco was mad at Jinx for the enforcers, not because he cared about them, but because he didn't want to attract unwanted attention when he wasn't ready yet. And yes, Silco has agreed to see Jayce in private, probably on condition that he show up alone. As did Jayce. If he had brought anyone, the meeting would have been skipped.
I don't think you guys cought that but the scene where Silco talks to Vander's statue was meant to show us that Silco finally understood why Vander didn't want to fight for the cause anymore as he did before. Vander chose to give up his fight for independence and later his freedom for the safety of Vi. Now Silco is faced with the exact same choice, now with an understanding that he never had before he took Jinx in. And the line "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?" was his way of saying he is now made the exact same choice as Vander and was going to throw away his life's work for Jinx and fight for her. But sadly Jinx, in her angry and confused state misunderstood his words and thought he was going to sell her out.
Plus I have to mention that Silco isn't 100% responsible for the creation of Jinx. Even Jinx realized this and stated it in the episode "He didn't make Jinx, you did (Vi)" It was Vi's sudden anger and abandonment (even though she tried to come back in the end) that caused Jinx to be created. Sure Silco may have escalated her transformation after he took her in but it was clear from day one that Jinx wasn't going to disappear even if Silco didn't take her in. That's the tragic part, she endured such trauma that Jinx was permanantly a personality type withing her from that day onward. You can even see it at the end there when Vi and Silco were arguing to win her over. You can see her struggle so much with her inner voices. In the middle of that Silco realized that Vi's "Powder" speech was actually hurting her that's why he decided to fire at Vi.
I just love shows when the writing is this clever and even a ruthless villain is capable of showing as much love for someone as our heroes. This show is truly perfect."
I really love how Jinx's characterization was seeded from day one. Upon rewatches, I noticed more details that I hadn't picked up on before that really go to show how severe her issues were even from a child. Obviously, there's the opening sequence with her losing her parents and clinging to Vi. But there's also the general behavior of her continuing to do so in Act 1 and how even with her brothers and Vander, she really just prefers to interact with Vi and her toys. In episode 3, she is literally crying in bed because Vi isn't there. They didn't know anything serious had happened at that point, she had her brothers in the same room with her, she was literally only in tears because she missed Vi's presence in less than a day. It's so sad that if she had just more time and help she could have healed from this wound, but that's a luxury the Undercity doesn't afford.
@@efu7547 So true! Act 1 really seeded the fact that Powder had a great deal of mental problems even before the events of the Ep 3 ending. She was really unstable and when her own support system (Vi) lashed out at ther instead of trying to comfort her that's when she completely broke and that moment created Jinx. It's insane how one really bad day can tear a family apart forever.
Bump! They're convinced that Silco is the complete bad guy and is responsible for everything. If they rewatched or paid closer attention, they would see why Jinx is saying that she wished Vi would have continued to love her as she used to...despite her being different.
About Silkos Monologue at the Vander statue, him saying "it all makes sense now, brother" makes it clear to me, he finally understands why Vander grew "soft". Now that Silko himself has a person in his life more important to him than their dream.
Silco was fighting Vi and tried to make her look like "the bad character" because he didn't want to lose Jinx. His love for her is real, which makes it just heartbreaking. One of the best villains, hands down.
It wasn't just that. Vi was very clearly hurting Jinx. The more she yelled about Mylo and the others, the more damage her mind took. Had Silco not managed to shut Vi up, Jinx might very well have ended up in a permanently catatonic state. Her schizophrenia is pretty severe. I'm pretty sure if Silco had said something hurtful at his death, she might still have ended up catatonic. His final words of support and unconditional love were the only thing that finally put the brakes on her downward spiral.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 He was trying to get Vi to shut up because he didn't want Jinx to listen to her and become Powder again. He wanted Jinx, someone he can continue to manipulate and try to control. If Vi broke through, Powder would go with her and he wasn't going to let that happen. One of the show writers confirmed that he tried to kill Vi to shut her up, but Powder broke out just enough to save her sister.
@@nickb2049 Uhm, no, the stuff Vi said clearly were hurting Jinx, she even told her to stop, but she didn't. Silco just wanted to end his daughter's suffering.
@@AryaLux she told her to stop because she grew up being fed what Silco told her, then Vi came back to her and turned everything upside down. She was confused and trying to process everything going on in her head, something Silco never let her do. Her telling Vi to stop was her being afraid of finally processing and accepting what she went through as a child, again, something Silco never let her do. It's clear it would have worked if Silco didn't try to kill Vi. Jinx shot Silco because he was going to kill her sister. Deep down she is still Powder, and she still loves Vi.
@@nickb2049 It doesn't change the fact that Jinx felt uncomfortable because of those words. Jinx is already changed, she can't return to her old self and she wants Vi to accept her the way she is NOW. And now she is Jinx. Vi just kept calling her Powder until the end, one of her biggest mistakes.
At least twice Vander was referred to as the hound or something similar. The big theory is that his body is what Singed used to build Warwick, the hand hanging above him at the end scene.
LoL Wiki;
Warwick is a former Zaunite gangster who decided to abandon his former life to try and be a 'good man'. He was captured and experimented on by Singed , who pumped him full of chemicals containing spliced monster DNA in an attempt to transmute the Uncaged Wrath of Zaun into the 'beast' he was deep down inside. The experiments ended up killing him only to have him resurrect as a chimera resembling a wolfman with bat ears and a fox tail.
Silco- "They can all burn."
Jinx- burns them.
26:10 I thought the opposite tbh. Silco actually sounded like he completely understood Vander in those moments. Vander had the same option really with turning in the kids for stealing the hextech crystals earlier in the show. Silco finally understood everything Vander was about. At this point you kind of have to subconsciously mull over what Vander would do for Powder and Vi, and once you think about that, you know Silco would have never given Jinx up.
👍
Small detail, but she didn't really turn the gemstone into a bomb, the gemstone serves to power up the rocket launcher (like it would do Vi's gauntlet or Jayce's hammer) that's why she can have so much range. The rocket head is of her own making similarly to the grenades, and the gemstone stays in the weapon.
And it's shaped like a shark because silco likes sea monsters.
Jinx already finished the weapon but in episode 6 she lost the gemstone and got it back at the end of episode 7 and she build it for Silco and when he said “is there anything undoing like a daughter” he meant that Jinx changed him and he couldn’t get his nation of zaun thus she undid his dream and when he shot at Vi he shot after hearing Jinx telling Vi to stop he shot her to make it stop.
Silco didnt lie, he would never have given up Jinx.
This is why his monologue to Vanders statue is one of the best scenes in the entire show.
*"It all makes sense now, brother... Is there anything as undoing... as a daughter."*
This is referencing himself calling Vander a coward for not giving up Vi and the kids for the cause.
When he is now in the same situation he cant do it either, he finally realize Vanders position.
And he gives up his resolve, ambition and his dream for his little girl.
"Undoing" everything he is and stands for.
Its just fakking flawless writing.
I think Silco would have never given Jinx up, and in his dying moments he knew that to be a fact. Before (at the conversation with the Vander statue) he was saying „everything we wanted and he didnt even haggle - and what do I lose but problems?“ but it felt like a silent, but resounding „BUT“ was to follow that statement. He then says „is there anything so undoing as a daughter?“ telling Vander that now, where he also has experienced fatherhood, he understands him and the desicions he made to protect his kids.
I love the character of Silco - he had many things that one could hate him for, being cutthroat, end-justifies-the-means kind of person; but I believe his love for Jinx was the realest thing about him.
Silco's best moment was his last speech to Jix before he died. "Don't Cry, You are Perfect" !
I said this before and I'll say it again ARCANE IS A MASTERPIECE🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
16:30 that Vi scream always gives me the chills... so powerful
man i hope cait and vi's relationship holds up, they're so cute together
Agreed, we hope they stay together
Gotta be hard to get over "my crazy sister killed your mother," before the first date, though.
Peace never was a option even if all the council has voted positive, because Silco would never give Jinx to them.
That Silco is a bad guy doesn't mean he is a bad dad. He helps her to let past go, he loves her for who she was and now all of her family are dead by her hands and Vi can't accept her as a new person.
I think Silco truly believed that, like Vander, Vi's regret was real. But regret isn't enough to forgive such a crucial betrayal.
He, much like Jinx, simply couldn't trust her to ever be by her side again.
After all, he literally has an entire speech about loyalty being the most important thing that kept them alive through harsh times.
How could you trust someone who tried to drown you, and the only reason you survived is because you fought back? How could you trust someone who despite being your sister, humiliates, insults, and hits you after you accidently killed your family?
You can't. No matter how much you might respect or love them. They aren't, nor will ever again be, trustworthy.
The parallel between Silco and Vander was truly beautiful in the end. Silco did not understand back then what having a daughter does to you, how Vi changed Vander. But now he sees how Jinx changed him and sees how Vander and him were more alike than different. By context, you know he originally thought the true struggle for Zaun's independence would be getting the Council to agree on the terms. "A thousand times, I have imagined this moment... Never like this. All we ever wanted. The boy didn't even haggle." He realized that it wasn't the fight with Piltover that would stop him but what it would cost him, his adopted daughter. They both are in the same shoes and made the same decision, to give up their dream of Zaun for their daughter. "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?" That was him understanding why Vander said "I'm not that man anymore." Both of them are not the same men anymore, they had something to lose now and that loss is too much to bear.
I believe this is the central ethos of the show, that you really do not understand someone until you see the world through their circumstances and priorities. For an example you can look at Heimerdinger and see how he failed to connect with or understand Jayce and Viktor which eventually caused Jayce to vote him off the council. Heimerdinger with his very long lifespan is focused on safety and takes things slowly while humans do not live nearly as long and cant afford to take things as slowly as he does but never considers it from their side. You can see how out of touch he was with Viktor when he talked to him about his upcoming death, saying that he only contemplated the death of his friends but not his own death, he still has much more time left to live. Viktor points out how his contributions will be forgotten even by Heimerdinger himself and he could not even refute his claim but affirming it by saying "Those who burn the brightest often burn the fastest." indicating that he has been down this road many times before but we know nothing of his past students. He is now understanding humans better after being with Ekko and seeing what they have accomplished and why they do what they do. "It's not enough to give people what they need to survive, you need to give them what they need to live."
Watching this show was definitely an experience for me and no doubt millions of other people feel the same way. The storytelling here presents people a roadmap to true understanding and empathy which the world desperately needs right now. This story is a beautiful tragedy, just like how our own lives are. It is easy to judge on appearances and have a shallow view of people, but it is truly difficult to understand people and see yourself in them. I think the takeaway at the end is how fragile peace can be. It must be acknowledged and properly reinforced before it is too late, before something happens that wipes peace off the table. If only the council made peace with Silco before Jayce had to, imagine "what could have been" if peace was the priority instead of politics, wealth and power.
The last scene you said she doesn't remember them. Its not that she doesn't remember them, but she has carried overwhelming guilt thinking about them. That's why she said "stop", Vi thought she was helping her, but it was the opposite. A therapist who reacted to this, said it best... Silko picked up the guy to stop Vi from hurting Jinx. Love how complicated they all are. Silko said she is the only one he can trust to weaponize the crystal. She figured it out in episode 4. Thats the She's Back scene. He wouldnt never given her up. Its the very reason he almost got killed in that room, because he put Jinx before all of them and he was seen as weak.
Really enjoyed your whole watch through of the series! A great video to explain Silco's thoughts and feelings regarding Jinx is the Therapist reacts to Jinx and Silco, the voice actor for Silco even retweeted it saying it was so true to how he interpreted his character.
Thank you for understanding that Silco loved Jinx AND was manipulative.
Yea finally someone that isnt missinterpreting Silco
Yes, it is good to see reactors that share their opinion and don’t just jump into the bandwagon of “Silco is an amazing dad!!” since it’s the popular take around here… He loved her (if it was real love for her as a person or love for her as projection of himself is up to interpretation) but to say he was a good father is a bit too much. He did manipulate her, he did tell her over and over he was the only one that could love and care for her, he did weaponize her for his own gain. People love to say that Vi didn’t “accept Jinx” but by that flawed logic, Silco didn’t accept Powder either. Silco apologist are really something else and I find it curious how most of them are Vi’s haters. Fortunately, there’s people who like and enjoy him as the well written villain that he is without having to do all that.
@@alicerb5628 finally someone with a brain. Silco is a terrible father, and a rotten human being. The only thing "good" about him is that he really loved jinx. Everything else is just disgusting.
@@alicerb5628 Powder is the memory, Jinx is the person.
Vi rejected "Jinx the Person" for the sake of "Powder the Memory" - Silco rejected "Powder the Memory" for the sake of "Jinx the Person," that is the difference.
Fun fact, when you play league you pick “runes” that give you power ups in smaller ways like extra stats and stuff. The runes you can select from are separated into different trees, named after what the runes in that tree do for you. The “Resolve” tree is for tanky stuff for example. All of the rune symbols on the hex core are the runes from these trees. Except the “inspiration” line, those runes come from sky’s notes.
Silco was not going to give her up. The episode begins with a whole thing about loyalty. I think the trick to the vander scene was that he was finally understanding why Vander stopped fighting and was just coming to grips with giving up on his goal of an independent Zaon. But Jinx and the rest of us took it as him having to give up on her. The amazing thing about watching this show over is all the details take on more meaning.
She made the shark gun "Fishbones" for Silco - He wanted his Hextech weapon to even the playing field, sort of like Nukes in modern times. If you notice she made it in the shape of a Sea monster ( something Silco likes to be surrounded by) and the shark even has a scar on it's right eye!
This final cliffhanger on Sting singing "what could have been" summarize so perfectly the show.
Ekko is a perfect ray of light in this show and I hope nothing bad ever happens to him again.
29:47 thats Warwick hes a champion in Lol,some people say hes Vander
To the very end these two reactors hated silco and thought he didn't love Jinx. Kinda sad that most people don't know or understand that even villains can have love. Good and Evil are just perspectives afterall. Yes Silco did bad things, but he did protect the undercity from the enforcers. Sure he bribed them, but at least that meant he had control over them. Remember episode 1? Enforcers were killing people of Zaun. Like Jinx and Vi's parents. Even Vander did shady deals with Grayson. We don't see the possibly many messed up things Vander also did for Zaun.
Everyone over here trynna sympathize for Jinx after she killed her friends and father figure. She’s completely lost it. She’s like Harley Quinn.
small facts :
in episode 01 Silco speaks about the shark we can see through the window as beautiful creatures which makes us understands that it's his favorite animal (keep that in mind)
In league of legends, one of Ekko's sentence when he meet Jinx in-game is "i used to love you... before you started to talk to the guns"
Vi calls Jinx "Pow-Pow"
Jinx called her minigun "Pow-Pow"
jinx's rocket launcher looks like a shark with eyes on the canon side, the left eyes loons burnt, just like silco's eye
which means that when jinx speaks to the minigun, she may speak to vi
and she made the rocket launcher as a reminder for silco, so she could offer it to him
so when she speak to the rocket launcher, she speaks to silco
and if you think about it
as she pulls the trigger to shoot at the council
we can hear silco's voiceline from episode 03
My theory about why Silcon wanted Jinx to make that HexJem weaponized wasn't necessarily about using it against Piltover - it was about mutually assured destruction; if you attack us we have a way to hurt you just as bad.
This was also the technology Mama Medarda was referring to in her last conversation with Mel - her people needed that type of weapon against their enemies to show they can stand against them (except in her case; they WOULD wipe them all out because remember that lesson she taught young Mel in the earlier episode? - about ending the bloodline & erasing any fears of future revenge....)
The thing you missed is the smart thing that they did storywise. At the very beginning, Silco told Deckhard that true power only comes to those who are willing to do anything to achieve it. The whole second part is showing Silco slowly but surely losing his power because he's not willing to do anything anymore to achieve his dream. He could not and would not have given Jinx. That was his demise, and that's why he lost, in the end. And Jinx, well, jinxed Silco's dream of achieving peace and the Nation of Zaun.
22:26 Girl you can't put Jinx becoming who she did all on Silco. She was spiraling down some kind of psychosis well before he ever came into her life.
27:04 I don't think Silco was telling Jinx those things to manipulate her. He saw Vi abandoning Jinx as a reflection of how Vander, his brother in all but blood, abandoned their shared cause (independence) and tried to kill him. I think he was projecting onto Jinx his own feelings of betrayal by Vander. He wasn't trying to cause her emotional distress and manipulate her into only caring about him, he legitimately believed he was helping her in a way that nobody helped him, and teaching her life lessons that he had to learn for himself the hard way.
"I hope it's a 2022 release, I'm not sure I could wait until 2023"... and here I am watching this in 2024, and the wait continues hahaha
If you think that Silco was manipulating Jinx you better watch the series again and you will realize that it is the opposite. Although he was the worst influence for Poder, at the same time he was the one who loved, understood and supported Jinx the most. The love they both had for each other was undeniable and that can be seen in all the interactions they have with each other. The weapon that Jinx has was not for her, but for Silco, we can see that clearly since he liked the sea very much (his base is under the sea).
The saddest thing is that Powder kills Silco to save his sister, next Jinx takes revenge by killing the last vestiges of Powder. Jinx is born. Peace was never an option and you know what? They deserve it!
Bruh, it's blindingly obvious Silco cares about Jinx, he wasn't lying. He'd never give her to Piltover, he was lamenting his ironic fate.
Jinx is the unpredictable agent of chaos.
No matter how much thought and care and politics are involved... chaos can strike anywhere.
I bet Mel's accoutrements lighting up is not just a stylistic choice. I bet it's not nothing. She's from Noxus, probably used to being shot in the back.
So you guys start in YT with Marvel and Arcane reactions. I'm going to sub, unsub and sub again with the emotion.
If your looking for suggestions on league videos to watch I would suggest Warriors 2020 cinematic,Awaken,Get Jinxed,A New Dawn, and Warwick wrath of zaun (This one has slight spoilers for season 2 possibly) League also has a kpop group called Kda which is amazing. Also all the legends of runeterra videos are great as they give you a bit more insight on each region of runeterra.
Episode 3 was already sad enough when I first watched it, but after seeing how this series ends that scene with Vi and Powder is absolutely heartbreaking... so many things could have gone differently
When did Silco tell Jinx that Vi hated her...?
...everyone but Marcus thought Vi was dead..
Silco betray by vander... But silco never betray jinx... Because he knew the feeling of betreyal
I have a recommendation of videos for you guys to react. It’s a series of videos about introducing every region in Runeterra (The planet’s name where all the story unfold). The series titled “Tales of Runeterra”. You’ll gonna love it. The animations was done by the same studio for Arcane. Hope you guys get to react to it. Cheers!!
28:40 most likely is another character from the game itself, which we might see in season 2. I will hold off on the name to avoid spoilers, but definitely looks like "him". Also with the cinematics, they are amazing, but give a lot of info into characters you haven't seen and may not see in the show, so just a heads up!
Warwick is vander confirmed?
@@cosneanumatei5117 it sure looked like it could be, we will see
@@Zminator2007 well it's said that warwick heard a little girl screaming a name but he couldn't make up that name. And powder was nest to vander when he "died".
You don't have to consider it a cliffhanger.
It's like the fade to black in Sopranos. In the end it isn't important if Tony was killed or not, because the story is about how his experience changes him, and we already know that in the end he learned nothing.
Remember, Silco never made Jinx, Vi did, Silco was just building on what Powder already became
this show is so good I literally cant watch anything else. Like, more happened in 9 episodes of this than 5 seasons of breaking bad.
Breaking bad slow but really deep
How could you possibly believe Silco would give them Jinx? He's messed up, kinda like Jinx. But he clearly loved her all along :D
Look at Silco's reaction when Jayce asks him to give up Jinx if you have any doubt. That was an instant dealbreaker