Literally just watching youtube late at night and said out loud “Wtf, I’m in this video!!” Didn’t even realize we played you Cammy! GGs man, it was a fun match
And the one shot nade should be even harder to hit than the other current sticky nades, you might get an influx, and then it should level off. Bottom arc is very good for playing your life, and the faster dodge with sprinting could be huge. And middle arc is an interesting option, but not top tier IMO. You might get more striders but not many is my guess.
Either arc strider or tethers. The super might be dog water but it can be clutch and the neutral game is top tier with graviton. Just gonna be a lot more invisible hunters running around
@@lancethibodeaux16 why is everyone forgetting Goldie. Top is amazing especially with Young Ahamkara Spine. Bottom is probably the most competitive PvP class after stasis (granted with a bit of practice for the throwing knife).
Really love the look of your warlock too. Everything just all fits together so well with the whole feel of the build, and the aesthetic. Like a genuine wizard slinging stars and flying through the sky
I love to use this build in 6v6 with strafe glide since it enables you to speed across the map in seconds. Since with 100 discipline you can have your third grenade up, that's 45 seconds of heat rises if you don't get kills (you'll usually get kills however so that's even longer). Hawkmoon is nice because you can show up out of nowhere with the speed, be a pain in the enemy's side to build up stacks for a free kill, and run away to the next zone while your team cleans up. If you really don't want to show on radar, you can wait till the last second of heat rises to boost yourself in with icarus. Also strafe glide makes your super very fast so that's cool too. tldr: Use strafe glide to go fast and use Hawkmoon to get free one shot kills while your team pushes up in 6v6.
I’ve struggled on endless vale all these commentaries have been a huge help and tons of fun to see your thought process I hope you make more commentaries
Being someone that absolutely adores (😏) Hawkmoon, I'm glad to see you using it again. Especially impressed that you are using your EotS roll and not your RF one. I have trouble with my EotS one even though mine's stats are great, it has HF Rifling, EotS, and Combat Grip.
I stopped watching you for a few months as I stopped playing destiny, but your commitment to relentless improvement is admirable and I’m 100% going to start watching again
2:36 it's like that one scene from The Matrix where Neo just download the program to learn Kung Fu. Cammy is Neo in this situation. Amazing gameplay!!!
2:45 - I love turning Trials into a mental chess match instead of stat vs stat and using just math. Just sucks that I don't have anyone I play with that buys into the mental game. It's always square up in a lane and do DPS vs DPS. I'll call out I'm rotating a flank and to hold position...but by then someone has peeked too many times being greedy and they're all dead. I envy the people with full teams of competent players.
I like using citan ramparts against winters wrath in neutral game or in super they can’t freeze you through the barricade and you can shoot through it you can also through frisbees, hammers and behemoth heavy slam thorough it.
I feel like Citan's could be a decent counter to Winter's Grasp, but I don't play Titan, and I don't know if WG can shatter the shield. obviously a well-coordinated teamshot can shut it down, but you might still get a trade instead of a pick.
Sort of Late, but Wrath is a hybrid super but has low mobility, and it depends on its freeze bolts. In that area where you fought him, pop heat rises and juke around the pillar with dashes to make him miss his bolts. Its very risky but there isn't a lot that can counter that super. I literally feel invincible when using it
@CammyCakes Gaming found that in close quarters behemoth super surrounds shade so if they shatter they lose half heath and can't freeze back or top tree nova super can block the ice being shot. In neutral anteaus wards can deflect and Glaciers can block off for a short time until shattered. Stasis Platforms are okay to give cover. Obviously suppressor grenade. Or even anteaus and bottom tree sentinel shoulder charge. That's all I could think of. 🤔
Happy to see the Hawkmoon gameplay! Been practicing with it a lot in the last couple weeks, really want to main it! Been using Shadebinder with it funnily enough haha, it really is on the verge of OP. It's got a decently high skill ceiling, you are quite slow in your super! If it had some kind of blink it would be disgusting! After seeing you & a few people using Top Tree Dawn after the nerfs It's not actually as bad as I'd imagined haha.
It's going to sound ridiculous, but winters wrath is weakest at close range, as the projects come out from the end of the staff on the bottom right side of the srceen. If you can bait it into cqc the super is very easy to roll it over. Especially on that map with how some of the angles are with ceilings and such.
That network error actually got a friend mine banned. He had really good internet never lagged or had problems. He got that error a few times and got banned.
Cammy, you can actually quicktime event the shit out of Winter super just gotta be at the right range (too far- starts tracking, too close- dont have reaction time to act). Sliding left to right just when the super starts its range attack can jebait them, but you HAVE to be at the right range which is like 10-15m sweetspot. Still pretty risky and good opponents can realize this mid fight and just stop spamming their attack or create distance so the projectiles insta track you, but its so funny when you can pull it off :D
I lost my shit in that first game when it was a 3v1 and you just dumped on them as you're explaining what you need to be doing. Like my man showing why you should be scared of a good Warlock.
I didn’t even know that about the radar, feel like you could make a short explainer on that. Took me years to even notice that it makes the red dot sometimes.
Wonder if this build is still going to hold up after December 7th…? If they increase the cool-down on flux nades they most likely will for fusions…? Or maybe using heat rises will have a set cool-down no matter what nade. Too early to tell, just some thoughts
@@crushingvictory im talking about the grenade by itself so you don't have to use the starfire bc the heatrise lasts for 15seconds (base) and a max discipline firebolt (after change December 7th) would be 24seconds so a 7second downtime if no kills aquired etc meaning a slot can be opened for a different exotic :)
@@nox-.ie1 It's 1 minute at 3 discipline actually, I t h i n k. Cuz they talked about 3 discipline being the actual base cooldown, and below that is the game's punishment for being too low or smth. Still, fast nade regardless.
Am I the only one that had no idea holster mods didnt take away paracausal charge? Most other reloads take it away, hopefully it doesnt get patched tho, its cool as hell
i thought that was a bug when holster mods were added and they got rid of it? or was that just infinite paracausal shot x7. either way with hawkmoon's catalyst allows you to get to x7 and stow since you have 9 rounds in the mag and can store on 2
6:59 in neutral to counter winter super from warlock is armamentarium suppressor nade 😃 it makes people mad in sixes to not get a super I imagine it would make someone rage in trials losing a round winning super
I Blade barrage the warlock stasis super, i use it offensive, and defensive if i have to. Practice it in 6 v 6 some one pops i challenge, i even run into a bubble and blade. It's pretty fun.
The hit reg on that super is very wonky. Even when you see both volleys explode around an enemy. It's obviously not hit scan. I'm guessing it's coded to similar to side arm projectiles and that's why the super can whiff so often even when it looks like it should be a kill.
Cammy what do you think about legendary slugs in general? Wouldn’t using sojourner’s tale or bonechiller better here, because heat rises promotes relatively longer ranges?
the radar is a good trick but with warlock i can easily tell do to the glides sound effects being so fucking loud, if i hear the glide i know that their up someplace and just aim up a little. The dash helps get out of sticky situations but if the personas tracking is good and or if the weapons aim assist values are high it wont always help much.
I was mad that someone cheated that was on PC. We just playing a normal pvp control. This dude jump once and killed 3 people with one jump and we was far apart. He was banned or kick right away but his name was not hiding it. His name has cheat in it
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Got to give it to that dude for being at the top of his team and also capping all those zones, you were absolutely walking all over that lobby lol
"Don't cry over spilled missed hawkmoon x7 shots" a single tear rolls down the cheek, with a smile.
love the commitment to endless vale cam
How is it that he continues to load onto this map? Or is it just old videos we never got that he's releasing now?
@@Julian-rt9qs old footage
@@Julian-rt9qs it takes time to edit videos so he's been making them over the weeks since endless vale was on
@@lukesouthall3275 thanks kindly. Figured that but I was hopeful there was something I was missing that let me choose my map lol
@@LauraLovesHugs preciate ya. Figured it was that, I was just bein naive and hopeful lol
this man's gonna be churning out endless vale content well past witch queen release. and I'm here for it!
Endless Vale? More like Endless Content!
Literally just watching youtube late at night and said out loud “Wtf, I’m in this video!!” Didn’t even realize we played you Cammy! GGs man, it was a fun match
I bet 1 million dollars, with the upcoming Stasis nerf and 1 nade kill, Trials will soon be INFESTED by Arc Striders.
The super requires pressing more than two buttons which is too many for hunters to handle.
@@WGG-01 it's true i like pressing 1 button for my super less to think about
And the one shot nade should be even harder to hit than the other current sticky nades, you might get an influx, and then it should level off. Bottom arc is very good for playing your life, and the faster dodge with sprinting could be huge. And middle arc is an interesting option, but not top tier IMO. You might get more striders but not many is my guess.
Either arc strider or tethers. The super might be dog water but it can be clutch and the neutral game is top tier with graviton. Just gonna be a lot more invisible hunters running around
@@lancethibodeaux16 why is everyone forgetting Goldie. Top is amazing especially with Young Ahamkara Spine. Bottom is probably the most competitive PvP class after stasis (granted with a bit of practice for the throwing knife).
Love the Trials/6s hybrid videos, seeing how a build performs in both gametypes is super helpful 💙
Really love the look of your warlock too. Everything just all fits together so well with the whole feel of the build, and the aesthetic. Like a genuine wizard slinging stars and flying through the sky
I love to use this build in 6v6 with strafe glide since it enables you to speed across the map in seconds. Since with 100 discipline you can have your third grenade up, that's 45 seconds of heat rises if you don't get kills (you'll usually get kills however so that's even longer). Hawkmoon is nice because you can show up out of nowhere with the speed, be a pain in the enemy's side to build up stacks for a free kill, and run away to the next zone while your team cleans up. If you really don't want to show on radar, you can wait till the last second of heat rises to boost yourself in with icarus. Also strafe glide makes your super very fast so that's cool too.
tldr: Use strafe glide to go fast and use Hawkmoon to get free one shot kills while your team pushes up in 6v6.
I’ve struggled on endless vale all these commentaries have been a huge help and tons of fun to see your thought process I hope you make more commentaries
I love this series, and I love the insight and explanation of your decisions. I hope you continue it for future Trials maps!
Been watching your videos for the last 3 years and I’m still amazed by your game sense and just overall skill at this game.
Being someone that absolutely adores (😏) Hawkmoon, I'm glad to see you using it again. Especially impressed that you are using your EotS roll and not your RF one. I have trouble with my EotS one even though mine's stats are great, it has HF Rifling, EotS, and Combat Grip.
cockmoon
I stopped watching you for a few months as I stopped playing destiny, but your commitment to relentless improvement is admirable and I’m 100% going to start watching again
2:36 it's like that one scene from The Matrix where Neo just download the program to learn Kung Fu. Cammy is Neo in this situation. Amazing gameplay!!!
bro i was looking for this comment! Straight space ninja shit
I love learning something from every cammy vid. Also Nice Hawk
"In this endless vale, Cammy goes apeshit on hawkmoon."
Thank you so much for the content lately, man! I always learn so much from your videos.
2:45 - I love turning Trials into a mental chess match instead of stat vs stat and using just math. Just sucks that I don't have anyone I play with that buys into the mental game. It's always square up in a lane and do DPS vs DPS. I'll call out I'm rotating a flank and to hold position...but by then someone has peeked too many times being greedy and they're all dead. I envy the people with full teams of competent players.
That control game was INSPIRING. Absolutely fantastic, man. could've been a blowout, but you made it a fight, very nice work.
I love this build. The play potential is just so good in objective game modes. Being able to take angles anywhere is so fuckin strong
I like using citan ramparts against winters wrath in neutral game or in super they can’t freeze you through the barricade and you can shoot through it you can also through frisbees, hammers and behemoth heavy slam thorough it.
Mind blown, this reminded me of the other video you had in D1 when you got the we ran out of metals with arc strider
I love hearing him rapidly clicking his mouse like it's going to speed up match intermission😂
I feel like Citan's could be a decent counter to Winter's Grasp, but I don't play Titan, and I don't know if WG can shatter the shield. obviously a well-coordinated teamshot can shut it down, but you might still get a trade instead of a pick.
They can freeze the shield; and I think it detonates when it gets shattered.
Sort of Late, but Wrath is a hybrid super but has low mobility, and it depends on its freeze bolts. In that area where you fought him, pop heat rises and juke around the pillar with dashes to make him miss his bolts. Its very risky but there isn't a lot that can counter that super. I literally feel invincible when using it
These videos have been amazing man. Loving the content!
one of my favorite things about cammy's videos is he starts them immediately, there isnt a 1 minute hi how are you.
For a split second, I'm always like "what the hell is Lemon Ark?"
Cammy was not kidding when he said he wanted to get better at endless vale. When he wants to improve he means it.
2:17 couldn’t have been scripted more perfectly. Great play man
"They're not going to let me get away with that again."
oh, cammy, how you overestimate destiny 2 players...
Cammy using retrofusionist makes me happy because thats my favorite shotty.
GGs btw we were all kind of star struck when we saw you, sick match though!
that triple kill at the start was nutty
This dude cammy dodged a tether practically point blank range and did it non chalant
@CammyCakes Gaming found that in close quarters behemoth super surrounds shade so if they shatter they lose half heath and can't freeze back or top tree nova super can block the ice being shot. In neutral anteaus wards can deflect and Glaciers can block off for a short time until shattered. Stasis Platforms are okay to give cover. Obviously suppressor grenade. Or even anteaus and bottom tree sentinel shoulder charge. That's all I could think of. 🤔
"This match got close all of a sudden." Yah cause of you
12:44 you did actually get your rift back lol
Happy to see the Hawkmoon gameplay! Been practicing with it a lot in the last couple weeks, really want to main it! Been using Shadebinder with it funnily enough haha, it really is on the verge of OP. It's got a decently high skill ceiling, you are quite slow in your super! If it had some kind of blink it would be disgusting!
After seeing you & a few people using Top Tree Dawn after the nerfs It's not actually as bad as I'd imagined haha.
You went from cammycakes to cammyvale. Love the commitment 🙌
always a good video when Cammy is enjoying the game
Big fan of youir recent content Cam, youre on a roll brother
18:16 “Mamma didn’t raise no bitch!”
18:17 Me: but she did raise a bad aimer
18:22 Cammy: “she did raise a bad aimer though”
Me: :O
Man that comeback was so nasty after the DC.
2:36 Cammy admits on screen that he is actually a robot
It's going to sound ridiculous, but winters wrath is weakest at close range, as the projects come out from the end of the staff on the bottom right side of the srceen. If you can bait it into cqc the super is very easy to roll it over. Especially on that map with how some of the angles are with ceilings and such.
They can shoot the projectiles at your feet and it'll still freeze, CQC is good for surprising them tho if you can kill it quickly.
Cammy is just on another level. I wish I could be half as good as him.
Cammy's at it again
Yeah that shot was pure Antonio Banderas reaction meme
your movement in that control match was beautiful cammy : ) don't think I've ever seen a match where top tree dawn looked so free fluid and fun.
That network error actually got a friend mine banned. He had really good internet never lagged or had problems. He got that error a few times and got banned.
That three piece in round 2 was tasty.
Cammy, you can actually quicktime event the shit out of Winter super just gotta be at the right range (too far- starts tracking, too close- dont have reaction time to act). Sliding left to right just when the super starts its range attack can jebait them, but you HAVE to be at the right range which is like 10-15m sweetspot. Still pretty risky and good opponents can realize this mid fight and just stop spamming their attack or create distance so the projectiles insta track you, but its so funny when you can pull it off :D
Eye of the storm is such an underrated perk and on a hawkmoon it slaps
CAMMY's bakery firing out hot CAKES
le monarque with a 20% damage boost onetaps at any resil (and that's why I love it xd)
You are the smartest D2 player I’ve seen
hey cammy just wanted to let u know that im loving your content
i dont know where or how, but ive faced Apollo and his apex goons before. it was a tight match
Some of you guys are cool, don’t go to Endless Vale tomorrow
LMAOOOOO
The floating Phenix
Cammy is the Justin Wong of Destiny
I lost my shit in that first game when it was a 3v1 and you just dumped on them as you're explaining what you need to be doing. Like my man showing why you should be scared of a good Warlock.
PSA when the december ability update hits, the thorn/lucky raspberry build may be coming back from the grave.
Nah hunters can't blink it wont be the same
@@wumbology72 maybe whirlwind guard countering most supers makes up for it, but I do miss hunter blink.
Sixth Coyote and Arbalest is the best non-Super counter to Shadebinder Super I can think up in a second.
That seventh seraph sidearm kinda crazy
why did i never think of hand cannon holster and hawkmoon...
I hope you make some on twilight gap
lemon arc
So can someone explain the holsters? Are they reloading but not clearing the stack? If so is there a timer on it, or an interaction with harmony?
May I ask what roll you have on that hawkmoon?
Nice video thanks for posting it
Now I gotta shower that was so dirty
The only way I can think of to fight the Shadebinder is to pop Well and team it down
There is a clever way its called run 🏃♂️
I went flawless on endless and loved lightning's to stop the sniping, just my placements were on point but I wasn't spamming titan walls
Shit I lost my mind when i first saw that clip
I didn’t even know that about the radar, feel like you could make a short explainer on that.
Took me years to even notice that it makes the red dot sometimes.
They didn't add the red dot until Season 15 launched
@@cchamberlain92 the red on the radar when enemies are around 15m has always been there
i found best way to counter shadebinder super is with a vorpal smg and just spam icraus dash at super close range and hope they miss
Wonder if this build is still going to hold up after December 7th…? If they increase the cool-down on flux nades they most likely will for fusions…?
Or maybe using heat rises will have a set cool-down no matter what nade.
Too early to tell, just some thoughts
then use firebolts they lowered the cooldown to 1minute and at 10 discipline its a decrease by 60% so do the maths and itll be 24 second cooldown
@@nox-.ie1 Starfire only works on Fusions, so this wouldn't work
@@crushingvictory im talking about the grenade by itself so you don't have to use the starfire bc the heatrise lasts for 15seconds (base) and a max discipline firebolt (after change December 7th) would be 24seconds so a 7second downtime if no kills aquired etc meaning a slot can be opened for a different exotic :)
@@nox-.ie1 It's 1 minute at 3 discipline actually, I t h i n k. Cuz they talked about 3 discipline being the actual base cooldown, and below that is the game's punishment for being too low or smth. Still, fast nade regardless.
@@secrettunnel5314 hell yeh it is so starfire wont be something needed as much (even tho its hardly used so big oof)
Am I the only one that had no idea holster mods didnt take away paracausal charge? Most other reloads take it away, hopefully it doesnt get patched tho, its cool as hell
i thought that was a bug when holster mods were added and they got rid of it? or was that just infinite paracausal shot x7. either way with hawkmoon's catalyst allows you to get to x7 and stow since you have 9 rounds in the mag and can store on 2
6:59 in neutral to counter winter super from warlock is armamentarium suppressor nade 😃 it makes people mad in sixes to not get a super I imagine it would make someone rage in trials losing a round winning super
Does Handcannon Holster still work at reloading Hawkmoon while keeping Paracausal Charge?
Hey if you find this answer let me know. I'm going to go back and watch at half speed if i can't find it.
17:30-17:40 he stows it at 3 stacks 5 bullets and then pulls it 3 stacks 6 bullets.
Am I being dumb? I thought Icarus dash was on cool down after one use? I'm assuming cammy is doing some animation cancelling shenanigans?
You have two when you have heat rises proc
read da perk
@@cchamberlain92 ohhhhhh, didn't know that! Thank you
I Blade barrage the warlock stasis super, i use it offensive, and defensive if i have to. Practice it in 6 v 6 some one pops i challenge, i even run into a bubble and blade. It's pretty fun.
The hit reg on that super is very wonky. Even when you see both volleys explode around an enemy. It's obviously not hit scan. I'm guessing it's coded to similar to side arm projectiles and that's why the super can whiff so often even when it looks like it should be a kill.
Beautiful!
Cammy what do you think about legendary slugs in general? Wouldn’t using sojourner’s tale or bonechiller better here, because heat rises promotes relatively longer ranges?
That's what I thought too, but there's no better counter to shotgun apes than your own spread shotty, so either has its own uses
Really good comentary
It really is endless vale when hes been uploading it for this long lmao
Wait a minute… Do you play GG Strive?
Kinda off topic but imagine if they bring back luck in the chamber
the radar is a good trick but with warlock i can easily tell do to the glides sound effects being so fucking loud, if i hear the glide i know that their up someplace and just aim up a little. The dash helps get out of sticky situations but if the personas tracking is good and or if the weapons aim assist values are high it wont always help much.
I was mad that someone cheated that was on PC. We just playing a normal pvp control. This dude jump once and killed 3 people with one jump and we was far apart. He was banned or kick right away but his name was not hiding it. His name has cheat in it
Wish console had the text box.
Can you do a series like this but for twilight gap
WHOLLY SHIT I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH THAT MAP
I’m so confused…how are you double Icarus dashing like that?
You can double dash while Heat Rises is active
@@miguelpopoca94 Nice…did not know that. Thanks a bunch
15:29 18:13 -Sun Tzu, The Art of War
What an amazing player I'm new to the game, wish I can be this good
This is by far the funniest way I've heard Le Monarque be pronounced
"Lemon arc"
No hate here, just found amusement