The CGP was immediately adjacent to the Presbyterian-Fulton Cemeteries which I started to restore in 1999. There were still some tracks extending over Carrel St to the station (in 2024 all that's left of the station are some granite curbs and rail). The CGP yard also was partially built over a lot that was deeded to the Trustees of Columbia School Academy by Nicholas Longworth back around 1804 for use as a school and "no other purpose". The school did exist briefly; by around 1875 when the CGP started up, no one remembered the school lot. There was also a longitute/latitude station on the property - a concrete monument which is now below the surface due to grading for the bike path.
As a kid in the early 50’s and living in a cottage on the north side of Kellogg Ave about 500’ from Coney front gate here’s what we had in our back yard. Back in the woods about 200’ from our cottage was an abandoned small gauge railcar sitting on its side. The rail car had windows along both sides. Growing up Dad told me it was for something that never got finished..
I live in New Vienna. The tracks the old interurban to Blanchester run right behind my house. We had a station nearby. It would be great to catch a train to downtown Cincinnati for a day out.
I believe part of the old roadbed of the C.G.&P. RR runs along the south side of the walking path in Bethel. It was more evident 20 years ago, but development has pretty much erased it. Thanks to you two, this was very interesting.
You can tour the water works. Its by appointment only. They let a group of 15 to 30 tour it about twice a year. I went on it twice in the last 10 years. Its a great tour.
@@historyinyourownbackyard2363 history on the old freight houses and how ironic it was that the city partitioned the stb to force abandonment because city council said "rail is not in the future for the banks". Something to that affect. The I&O had trackage rights over the line and it connected the west lines to their yard without having to run over NS and CSX. The I&O also offered light rail rights to the city over the line. There is laws on the books saying a line can not be abandoned if there is a use for the line. The I&O took the city to court along with the businesses who used the I&O ( like the Anderson's and a barge company) to prevent the removal. But the city has more Monday and somehow convinced the stb to allow the removal of the line. Today that line could have been used for not only freight but light rail. Connecting Lawrenceburg with the banks, Fairfax, Norwood and sharonville with the banks.
Very interesting…it’s great to see some coverage on what was the mundane and everyday; not all history is over the top. However, I’m not sure what the ‘nightmare’ in the title refers to. The fight for survival and ultimate demise described was common to all but a few narrow gauge steam road and electric interurban lines, though the tri-gauge track was odd.
If you want to see a beautiful railroad station there is one on Depot St. in Berea, Ohio. It is now a restaurant but the old railroad station is part of the restaurant and is beautiful. The food is good too.
This is, in theory, a really great channel. Real people, real places, and real history. One thing that you might want to consider. The gentleman is eminently qualified and the hostess is naturally engaging and well spoken. But not everyone is able to carry a dialogue by themselves without some assistance, as was the case here. Perhaps the host could be more engaged in the delivery of the info, which did start happening around the 10 minute mark and afterwards. That way the guest does what they do best and the host help them carry the load by making the presentation more conversational. Just a thought... Still, great folks, great channel, great content.
@@historyinyourownbackyard2363 like I say great show and content, and guests. The hostess is so engaging and personable that it would make it much easier for the guest experts and a more conversational style (talking between friends) would add a literal third dimension to the show. Great show and God bless...
Just a lesson in how complex infrastructure planning can be if you just allow people to do "Whatever". Standardization is critical BUT ALSO the ability to plan 50-100 years even 20 years is hard. It is sad that the US hasn't been able to get its act together regarding rail. It put all it's eggs in the Interstate HWY system and AIR and destroyed Rail. It should have planned this better but the Auto and Oil companies wanted to destroy rail... and we designed our towns around cars... Our world could be more interesting and the diversification of transportation options could have been a win for the US for Tourism etc...
@@historyinyourownbackyard2363 I remember the train tracks came through Dent, ran parallel to glenway and crossed a trestle by Western Bowl before heading into the yard. The tracks then descended down Quebec Ave on a trestle extremely high off the ground before winding up at Union terminal.
@@kevind8752 yes I'm very familiar with those tracks as I grew up just a mile away from the Cheviot Rail Yard. I have some very good personal stories about that rail line. :)
The CGP was immediately adjacent to the Presbyterian-Fulton Cemeteries which I started to restore in 1999. There were still some tracks extending over Carrel St to the station (in 2024 all that's left of the station are some granite curbs and rail). The CGP yard also was partially built over a lot that was deeded to the Trustees of Columbia School Academy by Nicholas Longworth back around 1804 for use as a school and "no other purpose". The school did exist briefly; by around 1875 when the CGP started up, no one remembered the school lot. There was also a longitute/latitude station on the property - a concrete monument which is now below the surface due to grading for the bike path.
Do you have any pictures of the longitute/latitude station on the property?
Glad to see another interview with Jeff.🚂🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks John, I appreciate that!
Damn Jeff, your wealth of knowledge on this topic is amazing. Thank you so much .
As a kid in the early 50’s and living in a cottage on the north side of Kellogg Ave about 500’ from Coney front gate here’s what we had in our back yard. Back in the woods about 200’ from our cottage was an abandoned small gauge railcar sitting on its side. The rail car had windows along both sides. Growing up Dad told me it was for something that never got finished..
Cool!
Awesome episode! Love the railroad history! Thanks for sharing the history of this railroad with us!
You're welcome.
Great video, thanx!
I play here as a child, all the Neighborhood kids would join there and play so many memories.
I live in New Vienna. The tracks the old interurban to Blanchester run right behind my house. We had a station nearby. It would be great to catch a train to downtown Cincinnati for a day out.
very informative! thanks
You're wlcome!
I believe part of the old roadbed of the C.G.&P. RR runs along the south side of the walking path in Bethel. It was more evident 20 years ago, but development has pretty much erased it. Thanks to you two, this was very interesting.
TY love Ohio history!!
You can tour the water works. Its by appointment only. They let a group of 15 to 30 tour it about twice a year. I went on it twice in the last 10 years. Its a great tour.
That's some good history, thanks
I'm fascinated with the old history.
Should do an episode on the riverfront track along the serpentine wall.
Good idea!
@@historyinyourownbackyard2363 history on the old freight houses and how ironic it was that the city partitioned the stb to force abandonment because city council said "rail is not in the future for the banks". Something to that affect. The I&O had trackage rights over the line and it connected the west lines to their yard without having to run over NS and CSX. The I&O also offered light rail rights to the city over the line.
There is laws on the books saying a line can not be abandoned if there is a use for the line. The I&O took the city to court along with the businesses who used the I&O ( like the Anderson's and a barge company) to prevent the removal. But the city has more Monday and somehow convinced the stb to allow the removal of the line.
Today that line could have been used for not only freight but light rail. Connecting Lawrenceburg with the banks, Fairfax, Norwood and sharonville with the banks.
Very interesting…it’s great to see some coverage on what was the mundane and everyday; not all history is over the top. However, I’m not sure what the ‘nightmare’ in the title refers to. The fight for survival and ultimate demise described was common to all but a few narrow gauge steam road and electric interurban lines, though the tri-gauge track was odd.
Very interesting history. Thank you for your wonderful channel. Love from Ky.
You're welcome.
If you want to see a beautiful railroad station there is one on Depot St. in Berea, Ohio. It is now a restaurant but the old railroad station is part of the restaurant and is beautiful. The food is good too.
My grandfather was an engineer with the Big 4 railroad that ran out of Cincinnati. Haven't been able to find much on the Big 4 though.
My Dad live on Eastern Ave and Carrel St. found a cat named Tommy Traction this was in the 1920’s.
I've lived in Cincinnati on and off for 35 years, but I've never heard of this.
Of course, I lived in NYC for 12 of those years.
*Grandparents all worked in these area's back in the good old days*
Would Travel from Aurora
Just found out last week the city of Cincinnati still owns a railroad that is least out and operated for decades by Norfolk southern.
Here's a video I did last year that mentions that fact: th-cam.com/video/i-xatxDOb-0/w-d-xo.html
The line runs to Chattanooga
Family lived above their drugstore 4026 Eastern Dad had a cat found on traction line called Tommy Traction
you can still see a small crossing east of Russellville
Thank You
They forgot to mention the remains of the rail station in Amelia on SR125.
Well done!!
Thank you!
This is, in theory, a really great channel. Real people, real places, and real history. One thing that you might want to consider. The gentleman is eminently qualified and the hostess is naturally engaging and well spoken. But not everyone is able to carry a dialogue by themselves without some assistance, as was the case here. Perhaps the host could be more engaged in the delivery of the info, which did start happening around the 10 minute mark and afterwards. That way the guest does what they do best and the host help them carry the load by making the presentation more conversational. Just a thought... Still, great folks, great channel, great content.
Thanks for the input! I appreciate it.
@@historyinyourownbackyard2363 like I say great show and content, and guests. The hostess is so engaging and personable that it would make it much easier for the guest experts and a more conversational style (talking between friends) would add a literal third dimension to the show. Great show and God bless...
There is a old hidden cemetery in those trees
Pray tell!
Absolutely called the Pioneer cemetery
I live by Georgetown. This is very interesting
Just a lesson in how complex infrastructure planning can be if you just allow people to do "Whatever". Standardization is critical BUT ALSO the ability to plan 50-100 years even 20 years is hard. It is sad that the US hasn't been able to get its act together regarding rail. It put all it's eggs in the Interstate HWY system and AIR and destroyed Rail. It should have planned this better but the Auto and Oil companies wanted to destroy rail... and we designed our towns around cars... Our world could be more interesting and the diversification of transportation options could have been a win for the US for Tourism etc...
I agree 100%.
Please do a video on the Cheviot rail yard.
Good idea!
@@historyinyourownbackyard2363 I remember the train tracks came through Dent, ran parallel to glenway and crossed a trestle by Western Bowl before heading into the yard. The tracks then descended down Quebec Ave on a trestle extremely high off the ground before winding up at Union terminal.
@@kevind8752 yes I'm very familiar with those tracks as I grew up just a mile away from the Cheviot Rail Yard. I have some very good personal stories about that rail line. :)
The title says "Nightmare". Where's the Nightmare in this story???
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Am I the only one who thought this was about a train wreck?!?!
Nothing about this was a “Nightmare”
Nerd nightmare: different width tracks.
I thought maybe there were murders there or something. Definitely a bit of clickbait, which is unusual for this channel.
What exactly was the nightmare?
The 3 different rail gauges at the terminal.
@@historyinyourownbackyard2363 Thanks. I guess I was expecting something a little more climactic with that kind of a title. 😂
BAD TITLE - Nightmare ? Huh ?
OMG i forgot about my fur i get to wear my faux furs when i move back home! That's dankk!😍👍
Every one knows standard gauge is 56 1/2 inches
Whoever she is she’s fine
Very fine. I thought I was going to be the first one to compliment her.