I Got SS Frets On The Tele. Was It Worth It?!
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- I got stainless steel frets on my favorite guitar. Here’s what I thought about them.
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Been playing for decades. Stainless steel frets are the way to go. Gibson and Fender are really dragging their feet with these.
I feel that's a business decision. They can use them as 'exclusive' offerings on expensive models and charge 10 times their value for them - they have the brand strength to get away with it.
PRS too.
PRS has a guy as CEO, who doesn't have a clue about SS or tone wood, it's just boring to listen to this guy tbh. @@ToneDeth.
@@UltimateEngineering yes he is just stubborn. But interestingly he only intended on having bird inlays for maybe 10-20% guitars. But then players kept wanting them so he agreed to their requests. But when it comes to SS or other feature changes he will not budge. I hate the bird inlays and wish he stuck to original plan
@@edesp absolutely and a scam, since nowadays a $350 guitar like the SC-550 II has SS frets.
Have all my CS strats refretted with Jescar stainless and I love them!
Better sustain, less string wear, perfect glassy feel when bending the strings, no fret wear, no fret rust, no fret oxydation, no nickel, no copper
I have stainless steel on my 93 Less Paul and I have been very happy with them. Great video. Happy you like them too!
Thanks!
Stainless steel is the way to go. My Strandberg has stainless and after 16 months of pkaying everyday for 6-8 hours of play a day, no fret wear. I do my own fret work on my strats, teles, LP's ect and fret work day is so much work. Sometimes it turns into fret work week. My next new neck, will have stainless steel frets.
I used SS frets on the guitar I built and they were a chore to cut them, level, crown and dress the ends. But I think they are worth the effort. Loved that blues loop you laid down. I’ll be re-watching this video to borrow it 😊
Glad you liked the loop! Borrow away. 🙂
@@guitarjonathan Nice little turnaround there.... keep rockin'
Yes exactly why they usually use nickel
As long as you Like it, that's all that Really matters
I'm really glad to hear your feedback after taking the chance with SS frets. I've been wanting to hear someone's reflections on the change, and I'm glad it came from you.
Thank you!
Listened to the whole video, then went back to the beginning and listened to the intro again. Sweet! As for SS frets, I’m an intermediate guitar player at 65 for about 4 years. With some Classic Vibes and Epiphones to rotate through I probably won’t need new frets of any type for a while. However, I’ll keep SS frets in mind.
Thanks for listening!! I wouldn’t think about them at all until you ever get to a point where a re-fret is needed. But then, if it’s a guitar you plan to keep it might not be a bad option.
I love stainless steel frets, have them on my main guitars. Got so sick of refretting guitars every 3 or 4 years, haven't ever had to refret one with stainless. Plus they feel so nice to bend on, and stay smooth after a polish for a long time
I built a high end tele with ss frets through Guitar Mill in the Nashville area. It came out really freaking great. I have a Novo on order with ss frets and a 7.25-9.5" radius so Im excited to check that out next year. Not a bad choice for guitars you expect to be lifers.
I just got about a year ago a Troposphere Strat that has that compound radius You will like it
So excited to find that you have your own channel in addition to the Casino Stuff.
I just got my first guitar with stainless frets so we'll see how they hold up, as far as the sound and feel I can't really tell the difference vs nickel.
Thanks!!! Totally agree on the frets.
I have stainless steel frets on a few of my guitars and they work awesome! Well done on that choice!
Just got a Suhr Standard with large stainless steel frets, my first and only guitar with them. Maybe its because Suhr does such a good fret job but the fretwork and playability is incredible. I have a number of custom shop Fender and Gibson guitars. Their great, but how well the stainless frets play, the Suhr is truly remarkable. Its easily the best playing guitar I have.
I have a Fender Custom Shop Tele with Jescar/Stainless and I love them. I don't have a before after to compare the sound to per say, but I don't hear anything nasty or piercing in the tone and I love the smooth feel and long life they appear to have. I've been treating the CS as my #1 and I still haven't dressed the frets after almost 3 years. But I'm not gigging, just pissing off my wife.
I live in a super isolated town in Canada and I’m seriously considering getting a stainless steel refret on my Les Paul. Would probably save time the hassle of being stuck with shitty frets for long periods of time. No music shops or luthiers around for a few hundred kms unfortunately. Thanks for your input, cheers!
Hey Taylor. Where are you located? I am in the Ottawa area and I just found a guy who does stainless for only $50 more than a regular read job. You’d probably be looking around $350 if the guitar doesn’t have any fretboard binding. I’m getting my number one Strat style guitar refretted right now with him in stainless steel. He just did some work on one of my acoustic guitars and I was extremely impressed. His name is Jerome Jeffries and the shop is called Glebe guitar repair. I have one other telecaster style guitar that came to me brand new with stainless steel Frets, and I have been gigging it hard for the past three years, with no discernable fret where.. really love stainless from my experience so far. I never heard that telecaster without stainless steel, but I’ve got to say it’s a great sounding guitar, and I play it a lot. Feel is incredible in my humble opinion. This is why I’m having that number one Strat redone right now. Hope this may be helps
@@LucasHaneman I don’t but I visit Ottawa from time to time, I live on the lower north shore of Quebec, near the Labrador border. Pretty isolated area I have to fly out or ferry boat. I’ll definitely look into it the next time I’m in town, Long and McQuade price is pushing 600$ for a stainless refret on my Les Paul by the look of it. Thanks ✌🏼
Watching this on the same day I'm ordering a custom Tele neck with SS frets (my first guitar with such frets)! Thank you for your insight. Subscribed!!!!
Awesome. Thanks!
It's not something I'd ever feel the need to do, but then again I'm not a professional musician. Like everything else with guitar it's a personal choice. I hope the new frets work out for you!
I wouldn’t do it without a guitar needing to be re-fretted anyways. I’m pretty happy l went with stainless so far though. Thanks!!
I agree with you...I have never worn out the frets on a guitar...I have an ‘84 Kramer thats about 40yrs old and maybe it could use a re-fret...so regular frets are just fine for me!!!
Just got a Shechter with jumbo stainless steel frets!! Unbelievable!! Love it! Just feels so easy to play compared to my Gibson’s and fenders!!!
That's because of the jumbos more than the stainless...
I love the feel of the SS frets on my HH tele. No worries of wear and l love bending without feeling the scratchy feeling due to my lazy lack of polishing enough hahah.
Exactly!
I appreciate the honest take, this isn't just some random shop guitar but your main. That, in my mind validates the opinions on a whole other level. Thanks a ton man, this is a decision that has been weighing heavy on me as my main gigging axe of almost two decades is due for a re-fret. Unfortunately the mfg. (Hamer USA) has closed their doors and you can't have them do the re-fret for you much less replace the custom shop guitars of old.
Glad to help. I made the video because I felt the same before I tried it. Thanks for watching!
WHOA!!! You're like,,, Blind Lemmon Malmsteen or something! Shred-tastic Jonathan!
😂 thank you!
Sounding great in the intro jam Jonathan! Good to hear that you had a positive experience with the SS frets.
Thanks!
great playing. Thanks Johnathan.
Great video !! You should do a rig run down thing , I’d love to see what you’re running everything through
Sweet tones as always dude 👏👏
Thanks!! Maybe I’ll do a rig rundown soon.
I am known as the stainless steel fret installer around town. Its a struggle to install SS frets
Love that blues groove you got going there...!
U know.....having the frets glued in gives it better tone also...!!!
Better to have frets glued in.....most guitars that have hammered in frets will sometimes produce those loose frets that can be problematic.
Cheers...!!!
I accidentally discovered the loop only going once accidentally on my Line 6 M9 pedal. The cool thing was it was exactly what I needed at the moment. Nice playing.
Thanks man!
Is there not a happy medium that’s still more durable than nickel and easier to cut/file/install? There’s no metal that’s harder than nickel and softer than stainless?
Although, is cost an excuse anymore? 🤔 I mean, there are now lots of cheaper guitars with standard stainless from Eart, HB, etc. If it’s easily doable by the cheaper import brands to offer them as a standard feature, it would seem the big brands are making excuses - it IS more money and more labor intensive, but obviously not to the point that they want us to believe when it’s perfectly doable by those sitting in the cheap seats lol.
That’s a good topic for an upcoming Casino vid: how come cheaper budget guitars can offer stainless frets as a standard feature, but the big brands can’t/won’t? 😉😊
Agreed...well said!!!
Jescar EVO is what you're looking for. Also, some nickel-silver is harder than some stainless steel, so the quality of the metal used is an issue too.
Nobody ever changes the strings before a refret to compare sound. I have done a few SS fret jobs and they are a pain in the ass to trim, level, and crown. I’m sure it will last longer between fret dressings. I can’t tell the a big brightness difference silver and stainless. If your slow handed like me you should notice longer sustain. Play them and give your thoughts 10, 20, 30 gigs on them.
I have SS frets on my Gibson 1998 R9 and 2010 custom shop Fender 69 strat. I like the way it feels better plus they last a very very long time.
My Nocaster is at the luthier right now i asked him to install SS 6105, he said it was a bad idea and im kinda worried now, but this video made me feel better, i cant wait to try mine
I was a nervous wreck. lol I think it’ll be great and I hope you love it.
That guitar has seen some action over the years!!
Good topic. I like the durability of SS. Dig that sparkle red tele!
sweet f'n playing bro , subbed. tele sounds crazy
Thanks man!!
Jonathan, I used to live in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area years ago and the go-to luthier was Craig Hoffman. I'm 65 now and it occurs to me that he may not be in business anymore or even still alive. But since RDU is just up the road from you and Bax it might be worth checking Craig out. He was excellent and did great work for me at a reasonable price.
Thanks, Mark!
Hey, Jon. I hope you don't mind me adding my two-cents worth, now that I have had some time in with my Number One, after the conversion. I realize results may differ, so let's establish that right off the bat. My overall take is overwhelmingly positive for established players, perhaps only slightly less for beginners - as it might not bear out the added expense anywhere before reaching intermediate level. These types of mods are for people who have already mastered the fretboard to some degree, in my opinion. For established players, buckle up, mates. You're gonna have a blast. Anywho, here goes:
I am a newly-minted stainless convert. But be forewarned. You will have to redial-in your stuff afterwards. The tone profile, or, more aptly, sound profile that you established on nickel will be noticeably reshaped. It's not a matter of belief. But, and here's the thing, when you acclimate to the new situation, there are vastly expanded sound-qualities within the new profile that are not obtainable with nickel. While it's true that you need a certain degree of audiological acuity (if that's even a thing) to fully appreciate it, it exists. If I had to quantify it, I would call it "spank." The tone will have a metallic spank especially playing rhythm as well as sliding up and down the fretboard during leads, especially on the wound strings. Some of this will probaly have to be reined in, to regain a semblance of familiarity with your original tone. The best way to begin is to dial back the treble on pretty much everything, then figure out where to ever-so-gradually add it back. It is in the adding-back process that you begin to discover the new and much fuller range of tonal qualities that steel frets add to your palette. The conversion is a must do for any accomplished musician, in my estimation. I am beginning to suspect many of our iconic, top-tier players have been using them for quite some time, unbeknownst to many of us. I am open to questions from your subscribers. Be well, brother. Your encouragement changed my life. Holy crap.
I could watch you play all day love the telecaster as well
Thank you!! I really appreciate it.
@@guitarjonathan if you have the time there are allot of us that would love more videos.
No pressure lol
Audio/video is MUCH better now Jonathan - did you upgrade the house setup?
No upgrades, I think I’m just figuring out how not to be an idiot.😂 Learning curve, I suppose. Thanks!!
Nice playing Jonathan, really enjoyed the opening jam---fantastic tone on that neck pickup---not normally something I normally say about the neck pickup on a Tele, lol, more lesson videos sounds great, thanks!!
Thank you! That’s a Twisted Tele neck pickup and it’s supposed to give you more of a strat-y neck sound. I really love it and don’t normally like tele neck pickups either.
Been in a regular gigging band for over a decade. I've had 2 of my "This is my favorite, I'm never letting it go" guitars fret out in frequently visited bend spots (usually between 10 and 15 area). Now I will only buy a guitar with SS frets and I doubt I will ever go back. My 2 current faves are my Yamaha Revstar Standard for humbuckers and M Musi Virgo tele style that I upgraded pickups on. Highly recommend
You rock Johnathan! I want ss on my LP and Telecaster.
Thanks! I’m definitely a SS fan now.
Definitely sounds pretty bright, but I like it!
It is a tele, after all. 😂 Thanks for watching!
Well, I know what I'm doing for the next week or so... playing, pausing, and rewinding that opening jam trying to get it down...
My suhr telecaster with large stainless frets and satin neck is perfection , playing it is effortless.
Got SS on one of my partscasters and did a refret to my D28 Marquis w 6105 SS- (slightly larger than Martin factory frets). It’s been over a year and still think it was a great decision would def recommend SS. They just don’t wear out.
Great video Jonny Rob. Almost as good to watch as The Hoof GP.
😂 Almost, but it’s hard to compete with Hoof GP. Thanks brother!
SS does sound different but seems like you can turn knobs to compensate. I think so anyway. All instruments l have built have SS frets. It’s the only way l will go. I have guitars with SS and guitars with standard frets. I have had to replace frets and that $$$$$$ cost. I gotta Les Paul that’s gonna need it. I don’t look forward to it. Blessings to you JR
Thanks, Mark!! You as well!
If someone played you two different clips of guitars with different fret wire, could you tel the difference? I’m betting you couldn’t
@@andy_182 I thought that was well until I saw something where they did and yeah... The SS to my ear really did seem slightly brighter but it was enough that back to back I could spot a difference and I just knew the brighter slightly twangier one was the SS. it is a bit of mass in metal to think about when you change the material.
I've been watching the casino guitar you tube videos for over a year now. Think I've seen most of them. I've seen Baxter play a bunch of times, and I always thought to myself, "i bet johnathan is a monster " and yup, I was right. Dude, you have serious chops man!
Haha, thanks man, I really appreciate it!!
The way stainless plays far out ways any perceived difference in my mind.
What!? The Casino Guitars guy has a YT channel!? Nice!
You remind me of a better version than myself but very similar in style and note choices,but you're way faster than me(and also you know how to use a looper pedal the right way unlike me).
I definitely hear a brighter tone when you pick, pull off. On a Tele it sounds great! Thanks for talking about this! I have one that’s due for some new frets and this has been a consideration
Lol, compared to what..?
@@mymodel6 Compared to hearing that guitar through the same rig a bunch of times before.
Any added "brightness" that occurs would disappear in a full mix with a band with a drummer's cymbals anyway. After I got SS frets for my Strat, I decided when I refret any of my guitars, they'll get SS.
I came for the guitar playing but I stayed for the beard!
😂😂😂
Without hearing a “before” clip, your Tele really sounds great now 😄
Hahaha, should’ve thought to have one but you know what they say about hindsight. 😂
@@guitarjonathan Custom Shop Fenders just seem to have a mojo about them, yours has it for sure. 👍
Stainless last forever, stay cleaner longer but I cannot tell a difference in tone. Hope you are well Jonathan, you are a great player man!
Agreed and thanks!!
that intro was 🔥🔥🔥
🙏 thank you!!
I've known Danny for years. He does solid work. You know the luthier Terry McIntruff also lives in Sanford. He's someone you should get to know.
Danny is great. I always forgot Terry lived in Sanford. I would like to meet him.
@@guitarjonathan He's a friend. I've had him make two guitars for me. I live in Sanford. I'd be happy to introduce you. Terry's guitars are truly functional works of art. He's in a class with only a few other people in my opinion. I watched him shape my neck in front of me and it was amazing.
I put jumbo stainless frets on my Carvin carve top. Great decision
Loving the vibe JR.
Thanks!!
The fender strat and tele have to be the best sounding guitars ever created... :)
I do believe maple necks show everyone where your fingers go 99% of the time 😁🎸
Bluesy feast there Jonathan. As far as SS, I would most likely wear my existing frets out first (quite a chore), then maybe replace with SS.
Thank you, and I totally agree. This guitar needed a fret job regardless. Took me about 10 years to get to that point.
Just ordered a neck from Warmoth with SS 6150, this has made me think Ive done the right thing
I think you did!
Hey Jonathon, I had to work last night and I was hoping to see this Saturday morning. Not sure if it got taken down for some reason? Let me know if there’s another way I can check it out.
It had trouble uploading for some reason. It’s all good now. Thanks!!
Nice one jonathan, glad youve had your tyres changed😂 now convince baxter to get his guitars done 🤠
Baxter will probably go to his grave with tiny, flat, dinged up frets.😂😂😂
Haha sounds like it 😂😂
Sounds worth it to me! Sounds great! The smooth feel and the longevity of stainless steel is totally worth it. I always prefer to buy them that way, and any refret will always be stainless steel.
And I can all but guarantee that in a blind test no one on earth could detect any difference in the miced cab sound. Acoustically, in the room, if unplugged or with the amp low enough, maybe, but in a blind test I'll still bet not reliably.
Appreciate the video man, having a neck built right now and the fret choice was stressing me out.
Going with Sintoms SS228118 (Stainless Steel .090 x .046), for something like a slightly toned down 6105 in SS.
Thanks again!
Glad to be helpful!
I'm getting slightly bigger .095 x .047 for the same reason, slightly toned down from 6105. Curious, how do you like them? Still easy to navigate and scream tone?
@@B2Rockin hey there! I actually haven't gotten the neck yet, will probably have it in a month or 2, I'll update you then. Remind me in case you don't see any communication from me. Cheers!
@@bryangarcia662 I’ll be getting mine in 2 or 3 months, right after you. I definitely will, thanks!
Love the SS on my American strat. Not looking back. My 89 Japanese tele is next. No tone diff to speak of but bends n vibrato just come easier.
Agreed!!
That guitar is absolutely beautiful
Thank you!
Stainless steel frets:Smoother bending and vibrato,they really dont wear out at all(maybe your grandkids ll have to refret at some point) and they look polished and perfect everday....difference in tone?Zero....so there you go.
Love the Tele! Great pickin’, too.
Thank you!
SS frets feel really smooth, and they are ultra-durable, but my tech is not in love with them. He says they are way more work than regular frets.
I know they’re definitely more work to install. Is he doing a ton of work on them afterwards or do you just mean actually putting them on? Thanks for commenting!!
sweet bro..
I hope I can play as good as you someday very nice
Thank you!!
Damn Jonathan those SS sound real good!
Thanks!
Nickel frets get be heat treated to make them harder or they can be put into a cryogenic freeze process to also create hardness. I think it depends on what grade of nickel they are using in the fret. Likewise with stainless, there would be some stainless steel frets that would not be good quality stainless and once they wear out it will just wear your tools out faster.
Good thoughts!
I also have OCD. My Fender Esquire sounds perfect. I would be afraid to change anything. I won't even change my strap buttons. If you truly have OCD then that was a brave move.
What great timing! Just brought my 73 blonde/maple tele in for a grind n polish. Thinking might be time for frets soon and was wondering about stainless steel. Might just go with ss frets if grind/polish doesn’t do it. Thanks Jon
Glad to help!!
Cool. Also, what shirt is that? What does CG stand for? I keep seeing those two letters together, so just curious.
I had it done on a regular Strat and I really liked then. Then I tried a custom shop Tele and ended up selling it to get a custom shop Tele. I did not recoup the extra money I put out for the ss frets so that would be only thing I would caution somebody about getting them. As best you can make sure it’s a forever guitar.
Good point!!
I wanna get a guitar refretted w SS but have them leave about an inch off the bass side...big ole ladder hangin off the neck for those two step low E bends oh yeahhhh
I love ss! If you’re an Active gigging musician it really makes sense in my opinion.
Absolutely.
I've worn out new frets on a guitar in two months before (on a Squier). Stainless steel is mandatory now. They look and feel better, and seem to last...
Agreed.
@@guitarjonathan Plus I don't like taking my guitars to luthiers any more (since I can do basic setups), unless there's a real issue. After every setup or fret level they do, guitars never play the same, and I have to tweak it all over again to try get the same string tension and tone and feel, and sometimes I've ended up selling guitars afterwards. Stainless steel frets largely solves that, too. I would take a new one to a luthier if there were issues with the nut or something, but not after I've dialed one in how I like it.
I'm looking into gold frets . . . . not sure why they aren't used more . . . other than cost. Harder than nickel but not as tough on luthier tools as SS
I’d be interested in hearing how those work out. I’ve been really happy with my SS frets on the tele.
At this moment I am a stainless steel fret devotee!
Good to know SS is a winner. I would also struggle to let my number one go under the chisel. Cheers Jonathan!
The only thing I notice on my guitars is a difference in the acoustic sound of the guitars, unplugged. Once they're plugged, I can't tell honestly.
Dig it!
Nice pickin!
Thanks!
Hendrix looks as if he approves. Coltrane isn’t so sure.
Best comment award. 🤣
One of the downsides of living in the jungle. I want to go with stainless-steel, but I would need someone who I can trust. It would also be nice to get the neck plek'd beforehand, and the frets plek'd after installation. But that ain't going to happen because the up-front investment costs are too much for the guitar techs here to handle. I'm not saying I will or won't convert, but there will be decidedly more risk involved, and the finished product might not be all it otherwise would have been.
I've got about a year left on my medium jumbos - the ebony fretboard, having been rubbed to as smooth a finish as it's ever going to get, now cries out for glass-like stainless. If I were anywhere in the developed world, I would just pay Sweetwater or someone in the UK to do everything. I am closer to Japan, so I suppose I could ship it there. We'll see. But I am leaning toward making the investment.
Lastly, I do wonder how my D'Addario NYXL 9's will hold up wearing (bending) against the unyielding steel of the new frets. I change them the first week of every month, so I wouldn't imagine much of a potential for wear-induced breakage over such a short period. Oh, and all this would be happening to '21 Epi Modern. A flawless example if ever there was one. _And_ it has a functional (read: durable) finish. Which if you find yourself anywhere near the tropical equator, becomes essential.
If you or anyone else has any thoughts or comments, Jon, please chime in. Take care and have a good new year.
I don’t think you’ll have any problems with string life, especially if you change them the first of every month anyways. I hope you find someone who can do it. I’m still really happy with the change.
@@guitarjonathan That is just the type of feedback I was looking for. If you're not "remorseful," then that's pretty much all I need. Now, I'll be on with my quest to find someone with the necessary skillset. Thank you for taking the time to respond.
@@guitarjonathan I got lucky, brother. I found a luthier who can do the frets. No PLEK, but hey, you can't have everything. Turns out I know the guy. He was a tech for Fender in his younger days. Wish me well. Will report back in a couple of weeks with results. It's gonna be harrowing waiting for for him to finish. I still view it as putting the fretboard at risk. Holy crap.
@@guitarjonathan Hey Jon. Final update. Alice (my no.1) came home today with her spiffy new frets. Dude, you weren't whistling Dixie. These things are like adding warp-drive to a scooter. Holy crap am I happy... Son, I'm gonna ride with you until either TH-cam or I disappear from the planet. Seriously, I've been a subscriber, but now I'm a convert. Holy sh*t.
I’m a fan of stainless steel frets!
Nice man! Sounds great, whats your primary amp? You ever play Carr? Im a new North Carolina guy now....soaking up that guitar culture
Thanks! I usually play a Magnatone. I have a Twilighter and an M80. I love Carr amps but I’ve never owned one. Welcome to NC!!
Honestly if you're going to re-fret a guitar its always worth it to use stainless steel. There's nothing anyone can do to convince me otherwise. Unless you can prove that nickel frets will male e.pkay like John Petrucci they don't.
PS great photo of Jimi
I felt after 15 days or so of using d'addario strings regular 10s, there is definitely some kind of ping when bending and holding the note. Fret job is smooth or excellent to bend. There is some sizzle added to the note. I have recently converted to stainless after years of using nickel frets. Overall feel is smooth and notes are faster on stainless definitely. Humbucker guitars will be absolutely fine with SS. for Single coil strats and teles can be harsh/jarring for some people especially with semi old strings.
Totally awesome 👌
Shit, your really good !
😂 thank you.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Jonathan.
I'm a long time player (got my first Gibson Les Paul in 1977) and I do all my own setup and fret work. I'm just now ordering a Musikraft 10/56 Tele neck with 7100 Stainless Jumbo frets for my latest build. I thought it over a long time before deciding on the SS, more than anything else I'm hoping to save myself time by not needing to level, crown and polish my frets as often.
Nice Tele, what pickup do you have in the neck position and what tone cap are you using?
Be Well and again, thank you for sharing.
Thank you!! That’s a Fender Twisted tele in the neck, and I’m not sure on the particular tone cap, but I ordered an Emerson prewired harness the last time I needed to replace my switch and pots, so whatever they use.