Honda Motorcycle HISS Key Coding using £1 DIY cable!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Step by step guide to programming a second key for your Honda motorcycle with the HISS security system. The bike in the video is my 2019 Honda CB650R but this procedure will work with most Honda bikes using the HISS system.
If you like the bike then check out my series of videos covering the repair of this Copart salvage bike.
I got my key from a seller called sam_doctor on ebay - I have no affiliation but it all worked out for me!
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Just managed to code a replacement key following your guide, I did the same buying a Honda NC750x from Copart, it came with one original key but I needed another, so bought one from Chema LTD, they cut the key from a photo I supplied with chip, and using your video it all worked perfectly, big thanks.
Great to hear! Good work. Good luck with the bike and ride safe. Great mpg on those!
Yo thanks so much, read a load about this, none of them said the 5 second and reconnect. Worked a treat on my 2004 blade, I now have 3 keys, thanks!
Worked the first time for me, using:
1kOhm Resistor and 10A Fuse on red wire,
aligator clips for black and red wires on battery
makeshift connectors on sumitomo
4 HISS flashes = key programmed.
Do them all, test them afterwards.
Great stuff - good work!
Great video, worked on my vfr800x crossrunner. Got key cut to code with new chip off eBay, made my own lead and programmed it to the bike, the disconnecting of the positive lead for 5secs didn't work until the 3rd time but stick with it it works. Cheers Beano.
Great to hear - well done for sticking with it. Result!! 🤟🏻
Worked on hornet 2011 succesfully. With a 1k resistor. Thanks. 🤝
Great 👍
Worked for my Hornet PC41 on the first try. Thank you very much!
Great stuff. Well done!!
Worked at secon try on my africa twin! Cheers!!!!! 💪💪💪
Hi, what is the year of your Africa twin?
hello, did you know if the key are not programmed they give a spark or no? Thank you for answer!
If the key is not programmed it will not switch off the immobiliser and I don’t believe it will enable the engine to turn over.
@@beanosgarage9606 thank you a lot for answer!
edit: PS... also, once a key has been married to an ECU, that key cannot be married to any other ECU. The ID46 chip is a 1-time use.
Hi. greetings from medellin colombia. thank you
exelente video.
Thank you!! Glad you found it useful. Great to hear from you all the way from Columbia!! Excellent!!
Excellent video and very clear. Just wondered where did you get the resistor specification from? A couple of other posts I have seen both mention a 1W 100R carbon film resistor which is only 100 ohm but they go back to 2013/14.
Hi Roger, glad you liked the video. To be honest it was a while ago now so not sure where I got the spec from but it certainly works! All the best.
I try with 2k and work.
I suspect its just to limit current into the ecu.
Very helpful video - many thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
May sound silly but could you actually connect all the small wires used from the spare radio harness to make the 2 longer wires just cut off the pins off all the other small wires then crimp them together to make the 2 long wires also do u have to use a inline fuse thank you
Yes, you could do that. No need for the thicker gauge wire I used, i just happened to have that spare. It also meant I didn’t need lots of joins. Can get away without an in-line fuse, it’s the resistor that’s essential for it to work. It’s not drawing a lot of power for this procedure. Thanks for watching.
@@beanosgarage9606 amazing thank you very much for your help it's to programme a 3rd key for my brother cbr650f
an aux ques on the Quadlock mount you got there, is there a particular reason to avoid a stem mount?
Hi, thanks for watching. The mount came with the bike so I kept it. I had a stem mount on my last bike which worked well but this is just as good and being quadlock is solid! I have had to get the anti vibration damper for it though as it was damaging the camera on my iPhone 12!
Hi, Do you need one working original key? Or if you were able to make a key, can you program a blank key without one working key ?
I am afraid you need a working key to do this.
Does this work on a 2023 cb300r? And where to locate the cable which connects the programme cable/battery/100ohm resister? Honda have successfully hidden the battery under the tank 😠
Hi, sorry but I don’t know anything about the 23 cb300r but I would expect that if it’s still the HISS system it would be the same. The plug you need to connect to should be in approx the same location as on the video as it’s the crank sensor.
@@beanosgarage9606 thanks for your response, bought a key, cut to code with chip. The key worked without coding so the CB300R does not have HISS! The dealership did not know and wanted £200 for doing it (£80 for the key and c. 1 hours labour at £105/HR) In the meanwhile I found the 'lost' key DOH! At least I now have 3 keys. Any one want some 100ohm resistors? I have some going spare 😆
Great video, can u please show how to calibrate tps sensor for 2019 cbr650r .
Sorry, no idea how to do that!
Beano's Garage, Great videos. Its been over a year and half and no videos, any more good videos in mind. Would be nice to see a finished CBR650R. Or how it rides. Or how happy you are to have gotten the bike. something. lol
Hi Francis!! Thanks for the message and so sorry for the lack of video’s. We have just been so busy with our day jobs and home improvement projects we haven’t had time! I do have a few videos planned for the 650R, including replacing the damaged fairings and adding some heated grips. Everything is there in the box, just need the time. We have also been on the hunt for a good project and have been so close to buying a few things but nothing has come off yet. Your message has spurred me on so expect a new video very soon!!
And the bike is great by the way! Just had its first proper MOT the other day!
My original key is broken and I got a duplicate. Can we code the new key?
How is your original broken? Does it still talk to the immobiliser? If so you can probably use it to programme. If not then probably not able to.
Anyone know where I can find this plug on a 2020 CB650R?
It would be in the same place as the video. Same engine as my bike.
Have tried this twice now, but cannot seem to get it to work. I follow all the steps and the bike responds like expected with all the blinking lights. Except for when I put the new key in, the HISS light will be on for a few seconds, then start blinking, it does blink 4 times, but the last 2 blinks are noticeably slower. Taking everything out and trying the key then, nothing happens and the HISS light will just stay on. This is on a CBR 600f4i. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Update for anyone in the future, the SSLL (Short/Long blinking code) meant that the chip was not working in my case. Got a new chip from the sender and it worked on the first try! It can also mean your wiring is wrong in case you have a working chip.
Sorry, only just seen your message. Well done for sorting it out. 👍🏻
Is 1/4 W enough for the resistors?
This is awesome but I don't understand,. How does the ECU or whatever know what to do. The wire just connects the battery to the sensor. The ECU would only see the sensor disconnected? ...I don't understand electronics lol
Hi! Because it senses 12 v on the CPS connection, then nothing, then 12v again... Is programmed like this.
That's the bit I don't get.. How? The CPS is completely isolated from the ecu
It’s witchcraft, just trust and believe!! 😂
Is the ECU getting 12 volts instead of a CPS signal :) @@francisfe2064 The CPS is just disconnected, and the power travels throught the wiring harness into the ECU
is it possible to remove a key that was previously tagged to it? for security purposes?
Not that I am aware of.
The programming process should remove any previous keys that are not recoded at the same time. I've done this on my previous bike (2002 cbr600f) with my own diy lead made using a genuine plug from a breakers yard. That ended up with 3 keys after only getting 1 originally so got a second then the dealer lost one but found the original spare....
I've read that if you already have 2 programmed keys and want to program another you have to use one of the keys as a sample but then have to reprogram both original keys and the new ones.
I also read that there is a limit of 4 keys that can be programmed. Does this mean that if you have 2 good keys you can program an additional 2? Final question. If you have programmed the 2 original keys and 2 new ones, can you repeat the while process again if you loose a couple of keys, or will the process be"used" up and no longer effective?
Thanks
Mike
Hi Mike, all great questions! And ones I unfortunately don’t know the answer to I am afraid!! On your last point, I cant see that the process would stop working if you kept losing your keys? I think you would still be able to programme more, but as you suggest, you may have to reprogram the ones you have again?? Sorry I can’t be more help, I was just trying to achieve 2 x working keys as I only got one with the bike. 👍
Just found this which might help - The ECU can hold a maximum of four key codes. So for example if a fifth key is added then the first key will be pushed out and so on. This is an endless cycle and there is no limit on how many times keys can be coded to the ECU.
My ECU could only hold 2 at the same time :( But hey, the rest worked on a 2001 CBR 600 F4i :)
Hi, and thanks for this. Not brilliant with electrics, was looking at feeding the wires into another connector. Would this be the one and if not can you recommend one?
2 Way Sumitomo HX Series 040 connector Kit inc terminals and seals
Hi, looks like the right kind but I can’t be sure as it was a while ago I looked in to it. Just make sure the little prongs on the side of the plug match your current plug. 👍🏻
@@beanosgarage9606 Cheers!
Many thanks for your video and link!
No worries!
Do you have to have key cut or can it just be one off eBay ?
You need to get the key cut to match your locks. If you already have one key they they will be able to cut it from a picture.
Great video! Are you planning to post more videos of the CBR?
Hi there. Yes, just haven’t had time lately! Been busy doing a garage conversion! I need to fit my replacement fairings so that will be the next video. Thanks for watching.
Hi,this trick can work to cbr600 f4i?
Hey it's me again, does this work to duplicate a key that is already in use with another ECU/bike? Or does it have to be a new unregistered key?
Good question!! To be honest I don’t know?!? I doubt it would work, I think you need an uncoded key but I could be wrong! Sorry I can’t give a clear answer!
Hey Beano's garage, looking the the service manual it states in a bullet point but not a step:
The immobilizer system (HISS) enters the registration mode. Registrations of all key except the original key set near the receiver are cancelled.
This is confusing I wonder if this means if a new (registered) key can be 'canceled' (cleared) so it can be used upon as if it were a new unregistered key?
This is what I'm hoping
No. You cannot reuse an already programmed key. There is a "secret" that the motorcycle programs into the key transponder, that only the ECU and the transponder knows. So a key from a different motorcycle would have a different secret.
I have a 21 plate cb650r which has a 3 pin crank sensor plug do you know what I need to do differently
Sorry, I don’t know the hack for the three pin.
Does this work for key that fell in water and stopped working
Not sure, worth a try but falling in water shouldn’t have damaged a key as they are sealed. Give it a go, what can you lose - as long as you have a working spare.
Ditto on that reply. The chip appears to be fully sealed and sometimes secured in a bath of epoxy. Water should not bother it
So iv had to order a new igintion and key set and a ecu as i lost my one and only key i had,would it just be plug and play or would i need to go through this process with the complete new set?
I would expect the set you bought to be matching, so should work straight away. This process only works to clone an existing key. So you could use it if you want to add an extra key to your new set up??
I have a Honda cbr 600f on a 1999. Will this work on my bike?
If it has Hiss then it should do yes.
It also works for all lost keys or only duplicates?
Only duplicates I am afraid, you need a working key.
Can u give. Me link this resistor cheer
hey boss my ecu is not going to programming state what can i do? i tried 10, 20 seconds, with resetting the key, on-off master switch on right handle, tried to connecting to mass and negative with red but nothing.. should I replace the battery? i tried with multimeter on ends of the cables and i found 12.4v , tried resistance 90-100 ohm more or less. what can i do?
What bike are you working on mate??
@@beanosgarage9606 im on honda xl 1000 varadero..! Found the problem, the bike had 14ah battery.. with a good 20ah everything ok new key working thanks!!!
Any idea what could be wrong if the HISS light does not stay solid?
Check everything and make sure the cables aren’t touching each other. Took me a few goes as you will see on the video before it played ball!! Make sure you have the right resistor too and that your battery terminal connections are good. 👍🏻
Do you know if the Honda Silverwing 400 has a key code? I left the keys in the bike and somebody has taken them. I don't have a working spare key. I do have a key that opens all the locks but it isn't programmed so it won't start the bike. I am being told I have to have a whole new HISS system.
Hi, you certainly won’t be able to use this system if you don’t have at least one working key. I am not sure whether the silverwing has a key code?? I expect if it has a hiss system then it would do. Do you have the original user manual and service book etc? Is there a tag or sticker in there? I would expect Honda should be able to sort it, alternatively, keep an eye out for a used hiss and key set on eBay??
Key codes are only for the mechanical part (the key itself). The immobilizer system is separate. Maybe you can find a set of ECU/CDI and locks, or you can send the ECU/CDI to an specialist and get a transponder coded that would start the bike. After that, make sure you keep at least one spare!
Any decent locksmith will be able to pick your lock and from that deduce the correct pin out and use that to cut a key. After that, I suspect a trip to the stealer to reprogram that newly cut key, because the process documented here starts with one programmed key, which you don’t have. Also, see if they can unprogramme any existing keys so the sub human that took your key can’t use it. My locksmith made a new key for my used transit. He asked if I wanted the 5 existing keys unprogrammed, I only owned one, so it was a YES from me.
hello,
do you know if it works on a Honda CBF 600 model 2011? If so, you can write how to do it. (The red plug is the ABS on mine).
Thank you and best regards
Hi, I am not 100% sure to be honest but if it is the HISS system I think it should work. There are cables available to buy on eBay that you could look at and see if they are similar. It’s generally the crank position sensor plug you need.
The procedure is the same for all HISS bikes. The CPS is usually 2 pin and red, to make it easy to identify.
Hello, what fuse did you used? 10A?
Hi, I think it was a 5A actually. Hope that helps. 👍
@@beanosgarage9606 ty sir
Did you get it to work japanstyle 20
@@justinsolomon5561 yep, not on first try. I think i get it in 7 or 8 time but it worked:d
Just wondering if you know the model of the inner chip of the key.
Sorry mate, I don’t. It came with the key.
Is an standard NXP PCF7936
Does anyone know if there is a "factory" cable that one can buy online for this procedure?
Have a look at eBay, people do sell the cables but they are not cheap! Hence the hack!
Hi can you please post who supplies key and cutting on ebay. I have cbr1000rr 2011 with only one key
Hi, check the video description, there is a link and the name of the seller. 👍
That would be me :) Happy to help you with any keys you might need.
Great video - how did your seller off ebay tell you the ECU code?
Hi Gerard. No ECU code, he told me the key code. He can tell this from the key design. 👍🏻 no need for an ECU code.
Any idea where to find cable connection on Africa twin 2021?
Afraid not. I can only guess it would be around the same place as my bike? It should be wherever the crank position sensor plugs in. Hope you find it!!
Bro, did you do that? If yes please reply. I have the same bike.
Hello , ı have a 2016 Honda CB 650F does it work on this model ?
Hi there. Yes it will work! Let me know how you get on.
@@beanosgarage9606 thank you mate I will tell you when i do :)
@@mert9277 did it work
If I use 1k ohm 2w or 1/2w , will be ok?
1/4w (250mW) is ok, 12V over 1k give 144mW total dissipation. So you can use 100W if you want but minimum is 1/4W :). And when you disconnect +12V wire, put it on battery negative for 5sec an then again to +12V to avoid trying 5 time like in video :)
Any tip on gsxr 1000 07
Sorry mate, I don’t know about GSXR - best of luck!!
I’m lost with stuff like this I need 1 bad for my twin Africa spare key 🇬🇧
Let me know how I can help mate!
@@beanosgarage9606 what ever help u could give I’d appreciate
@@beanosgarage9606 6 months later I still can't figure it mate
What if I lose all spare keys?
If you don’t have any keys at all then it’s a visit to the dealer I am afraid as you need at least one working key to programme a duplicate. Programming aside, If you have the key code (possibly in your purchase docs) you can contact a key cutter and they will be able to cut you one. It will not start the bike until programmed though.
If you lose all keys, the dealer would have to change the ECU/CDI and all the locks, probably around the £900 mark.
Specialized locksmiths would pick your lock, decode it, cut a hole in your ECU/CDI case and program a new transponder directly there. Would be cheaper than a new ECU/CDI from the dealer, but probably you will be looking north of £300.
2010 or later and its off to Honda you go. Min £85 if you have a spare to copy.
The video is of a 2019 bike? It works on that and many other bikes manufactured after 2010. Do you mean pre 2010 don’t work??
@@beanosgarage9606 No, I went into Honda with my 2010 VFR because the wire trick doesent work on it, they said later bikes have to be programmed.
I found the key a year later, wondering if it's worth selling?
@@tomf4547 I tried to program my 2010 VFR1200F like this. When I connected the crank position sensor to the battery and turned on the ignition, the HISS light stayed OFF. It didn't even come on for 2 seconds as normal. I didn't get the fuel pump noise so it knew something was different but HISS light was out. I stopped there as I didn't want to reprogram my original key
@@tomf4547 It should work on a VFR. Make sure you use the red CPS connector. This has been the prodecure for Honda keys since the introduction of HISS, and even the newest models still use the same transponder.
Not sure whether newer or older now. Couldn't programme it myself. Sold now before a Blackpool 'driver' wiped me out 😳
Where you from?? Do mine for me!
Lol - I am Hertfordshire. It’s pretty easy, give it a go. If you are not confident on making the cable then you can buy them on eBay, sell it on after and it might not cost you much in total.
why you know method are you have manual
The method itself is set out in the manual for the bike BUT this video is about making your own cable at very little cost rather than having to find and buy the genuine Honda cable. It also sets out that you don’t need to pay lots for a genuine key. Hope it helps you!
th-cam.com/video/8_5GSMxX3eM/w-d-xo.html it should be 100 ohm, not 1k ohm (1000 ohm)
Just checked and the one I used was definitely 1K ohm. 👍
,@@beanosgarage9606maybe it works within a broad range?
This seems unreal and fake does this actually work? 😅
Certainly does - why would I bother putting a video together if it didn’t work??
Does this work with coding a single key to a new ECU?
Or for example, I've put a new barrel on, with the old ECU can I use it to reprogram the key that were used with the new barrel.
So basically what I want to do is reprogram a key that was registered to another ECU to the original ECU.
I fear I won't be able to turn on the ignition then though will I, maybe I can bolt off the wiring and hiss and have them separate to get the bike to turn on and read the key to turn on propely. Then do this, then hold the other key new it and see if I can reprogram it to the old ECU and new barrel?
Sorry if this Is confusing it is for me too
If you separate the ring antenna and the ignition switch, you can pull a switcheroo (switch the ignition with the new barrel key but put the old ECU key on the antenna) and set the ECU into learning mode, but you won't be able to program a key from another motorcycle. You will need a new transponder :)