One piece of advice that I heard once was that, "Gimp isn't photoshop so gimp expects you to do things differently to get results just as great as photoshop". Because you can get amazing results out of it but as is, it is a pain to use, even casually. The better layer management and non-destructive modifiers alone would be mind-blowing.
the very same arguments apply to Scribus when comparing it with Adobe InDesign.. Scribus developers who manage to interact with users in their forums, tend to reply always the same "Scribus is not InDesign" BUT the point is that InDesign takes lots of suggestions from professional designers in order to render the working process far easier, practical and convenient.. is all about efficiency !!!
As an animator, I've been using Krita for years (ever since they *added* animation support) and I can't help but notice how many of these issues just don't really exist over on Krita. Obviously Krita is more Drawing oriented than Gimp's Photo Editing focus but the two softwares overlap a lot in functionality.
Animation should be done with an animation tool, not with a picture editor. Its dumb, if every tool is implementing stuff that already exists elsewhere, like reinventing the wheel … The way to go is a better use of standardized exchange formats. So if you want to edit an SVG in Gimp, Gimp shouldnt use his own algorithms and GUI-stuff, it should just open the SVG standard tool of the system (in most cases that would be Inkscape).
@@gintokisakata7490 calm down, Photoshop has had limited animation ability for near(over?) a decade now, gif artists tend to rely on that kind of thing, and I don't know if you are a professional artist or not but being bounced between two programs when you're working on a single project is one of the last things I want if I can help it. The way Krita handles SVG is the better way to go, the SVG tools have only the bare minimum required functionality and if you need more control you can import an external SVG. Like in your suggestion what would you do if you are trying to trace a sketch with vector tools?
@@gintokisakata7490 I think he's talking about the inflexibility of it. Say you made an svg logo in inkscape, but you want to insert it into a raster image but don't know where you want to put it or how big its gonna be.
Though it's not necessarily a problem for most casual users, proper CMYK support is also a must if GIMP is to have any hope of being adopted in the professional world of graphic design
GIMP badly needs interactive layer masks. This is the feature I miss the most from Photoshop. It makes masking so much easier. It is the masking equivalent of the no-shape-tool problem. As was stated in the video, layer management is a huge bugbear in GIMP.
@@notimportant7682 You can't move around the layer masks in GIMP independently of the position of the layer they are applied to. You can do this and other things with layer masks in Photoshop, which makes them very flexible and powerful. Lookup Photoshop layer masks in TH-cam, and you will see what I mean. This feature has existed in Photoshop since at least version 5.5 fi not 5.0 (not CS, bu the older branch).
@@Nukelover I'm moving around the mask independently of the layer in gimp right now? the only thing I can think of that is different than what I remember from photoshop is gimp automatically deletes any part of the mask that goes outside of the layer boundary
Remember that GIMP is libre software - there's not some huge development force behind closed doors somewhere. Instead, anyone can contribute changes, and there are only a few people (and none are full-time, it's all volunteer work). Some of the things in this video are already planned e.g. for GIMP 3.2. Shapes and vector layers were written as a Google summer of code project, but the student wandered off and it's unfinished and needs a volunteer. And, of course, everyone we ask wants different features.
Just cause it's FOSS software doesn't mean we could excuse it fully. Blender is FOSS but it's been getting an extreme sweep of new features since its inception. We need to learn that constantly coddling programs mean it won't get fixed, we need to criticize them.
@@nikkoa.3639 it's not about excusing or blaming or coddling. You can blame the software all you like for not being something else, but in the end it's made by volunteers, and if you want it to be different, volunteer, or help us find volunteers.
@@nikkoa.3639 Check Blender's monthly funding and how many companies and individuals are contributing to it; Gimp's contributors are miniscule in size compared to Blender.
They are are also working on that one click plugin instillation store that you were wanting and this is also something that will allow you to install more themes
I love GIMP and it's great and 90% of the time I can translate between Photoshop and GIMP knowledge and tutorials without problems but when you get to the really really professional stuff like I am now GIMP just doesn't cut it, especially if you have deadlines
@@BrodieRobertson gimp 2.89 beta offers this and with plugins as well I can't see how you'd have much of a problem, if I can help you in any way let me know
You mentioned shapes, and I agree...Microsoft had it in Windows 3.1 in the MS paint app! But also, text effects! Why do they need to be rasterized in Gimp? i can apply nice effect to text, but I can't change the text after because the effects are not changing with it, they keep the shape of the original text! (Effects like strokes and drop shadows)
I am so happy to find honest reviews like this one ! you should do similar one for Scribus (an open source desktop publishing software that is supposed to be the InDesign alternative... BUT... lacks plenty of practical features. for example the text wrap around an image is a nightmare compared to indesign... and so on... the document does not open at last page you have been editing and saved before quitting ... etc...
There is something pretty smart about all of your shapes being managed by the selection. The selection features in GIMP are suitable for anything I've encountered so far - and so I am pleased.
Background selection is also a hit or miss in GIMP, for anyone editing one or two photos they can do it with, but for professional work with 100s of photos might be a big problem.
Gimp is awesome, I learned it years ago at primary school instead of Photoshop and for me it's way more intuitive and easier to use than Photoshop ever since. People are too quick to judge things as bad simply because they're not used to them and haven't given them a proper chance at all. I agree that PS is a better program and many professionals that rely on it cannot simply make the switch. That said, Gimp absolutely does not suck and a lot of the missing features are currently being worked on.
Gimp really lacking some useful features, and it not because people used to do everything ps... I never used ps my self , but have saw it, It has really nice feat.s like selecting a object in pic in just with press of a button using AI, yes we can do tge same by manually selecting thing and thinga like that, but it is waaayyyyy more covinet when computer does jalf of the work for you.... And most profestnals dont care about FOSS, they just only look for good experince...
@@FLMKane when I tried linux back then it was still a hot mess tbh, in the recent years it's improving seemingly exponentially and many foss applications follow this trend, gimp is definitely slow with catching up to ps but sooner or later it will get there and hopefully become the market standard much like other foss apps such as vlc, blender or docker have, with more to follow, perhaps kdenlive, ardour, they can only improve with time while proprietary apps keep getting worse and worse when it comes to spyware, services, subscription models, ads etc.
@@DMSBrian24 in my long experience, peak Linux was 2010. Then it became awful with GNOME shell,unity and KDE 4. NOWADAYS its at that peak again, like in the days of GNOME 2. But there are caveats. I'm having a more stable experience with Debian sid than Ubuntu for example
I'm an illustrator and primarily use Krita for 90% percent of the all digital work, funny thing is all those features that you mention that Gimp lacks are already implemented in Krita but Krita is not optimized for photo editing, it lacks the speed and "nice to haves" that a dedicated photo manipulator has, either than that every tool a basic to intermediate user needs for photo manipulation in available. You trade speed for a better non destructive work flow.
I read the original Reddit thread few days ago, and while the wording was Photoshop-specific, I understand the intent behind this thread. GIMP is trapped in a vicious cycle dev(s) can't get out of: GIMP's development is slow > users see neglect > they are dissatisfied and complain online > demoralized GIMP devs start quitting > GIMP's development is slow > rinse/repeat. A lot of diehard GIMP supporters always write "GIMP needs funding", but not only do they receive way more funding than any other newcomer bitmap / raster / vector graphics editor developer + teams out there currently (software like Penpot, Pixelmator for Mac, heck, even Drawing 1.0 for GNOME all started as 1-2 member teams with 0 funding and have made more strides faster than GIMP has ever done), they are notoriously known for mismanaging it all. I personally have 0 faith in this project's development, but -when- if GIMP 3.0 ever comes comes out, I hope I become wrong.
I suspect one of the person in charge of gimp actively turn down and block any improvement. I can not be sure for GIMP but I've seen this on multiple FOSS projects. They will tell X or Y feature is missing because it take time and it is too much work. Then you look the pull request list and notice somebody already coded the feature and they said no or completely ignored it. I really suspect it is the case for GIMP just based on looking at what feature get added on other branch.
@@leucome I know exactly who you're talking about. Talking to this guy is like walking on eggshells, he's always dismissive of everyone's opinion by saying "no, it's purely a problem of lack of time, money and manpower", but other community-based apps have had this exact problem at some point in life, but solved it together in good faith. GIMP hasn't and that says a lot about them.
It supports more of the PSD format, is non destructive when editing, supports CYMA colorspace, 10-bit support proper. Its text utility is still a little lacking compared to GIMP though. The real question is how Photopea compares to them all as it supports almost all Photoshop format and is online.
The transform tool blurs the crap out if the image if you're resizing or rotating or anything. Slight color inconsistancies are a problem too, makes it hard to do things like seperate out lineart from a white background. Those are the main problems I can remember
I used GIMP on Windows 7 for several years until I switched to Linux. The learning curve was steep, but I've been able to make book covers and other images to my satisfaction.
My main issue with gimp is that is has a perfect circle phobia. Even the paint brush isn't a perfect circle! its less tall than wide. I end up using krita for non-photo manipulation tasks.
I use the 2.89 beta and apart from some crashes it works really nicely with multi layer selection and the paint selection. Didn't really use anything else so far.
I want two big things from GIMP. Being able to add effects to text, and being able to put text on a path.... while keeping the text editable. Honestly, the entire text tool needs to be redone. It is clunky AF.
in my case. i wouldn't say GIMP is bad. i just found it a bit intuitive to use . i learned to photo edit on a program called pixelmator pro, its a mac only App and is highly polished. everything is laid out to make is very easy. even though its a very powerful editing application. GIMP i had trouble with layers and blending modes when attempting frequency separation. i never used photoshop never had to. so i cant really compare it to that.
I use gimp for the most simple things, so it's perfectly fine for me. I've got many shortcuts changed from default to something I like and remember better. As for selecting multiple layers, I just click the little chain icon next to the layers I want to link and move them around that way. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
@@kendarr Yep, my only problem is remembering to hit M to do movement instead of S to scale. I should probably change the cursor images so I can tell when it's in one mode or the other better.
I guess the biggest problem GIMP has is that Photoshop is just pretty good. Like Photoshop users hate Photoshop a lot less then say Premiere Pro users hate Premiere Pro and of course they come together in their hate for Adobe. But that hate is not strong enough to switch to a less capable tool, especially for professional work. If you can’t deliver/consume good PSDs you might as well not try.
Gimp is a far throw from what my first interaction with it was, but I can't hate the application and I love it for what it represents. It is YOUR photo editor, it isn't just free as in the cost, but it is YOURs to own all the way through. I know it sounds like some free software foundation propoganda, but for what it can do today and that you will have a license to really do whatever the hell you want it including changing it, it is marvelous. It isn't flawless and my use of it is for very simple tasks as I can't always get away with handling the project files when I need a full blown editor. (Game texture editing that auto handles the layering of textures using Photoshop / Paintshop project files) So it isn't perfect, but it is cross platform, I can use it on BSD, Windows, Mac and Linux and I can't say any other editor out there can do that at the moment.
That's why I wanted to make it clear that GIMP is a great project but just because it's great and getting better doesn't mean that there isn't more than can be done.
Gimp should use CIE L*a*b as the standard for defining colours. There also should be a file format that is saving colour data in CIE L*a*b, NOT RGB or CMYK.
Non destructive editing is basically the main reason I’m not switching to Gimp (layer management is a close second though) Sure I’ve used Photoshop for 8 years, from pirating CS5 when I was 11 to using Photoshop CC and getting my Adobe certificate in 2018 in school, but I am tired of Windows and want to switch to Linux. The only thing keeping me from doing so that Photoshop isn’t supported and Gimp isn’t even close to competing with it yet
I use photoshop and gimp (when I'm too lazy to reboot). Imo the main problem of gimp is that the current features it supports are not so comfortable to use/access (not so much a lack of features). Gimp needs workflow changes, quality of life changes, UI changes, and other such polishes. There are a lot of minor issues that snowball together to make gimp a subpar experience compared to photoshop at least. Apart from things you mention (like multiple layer select... :@ ), some personal examples are: there is, as far as I can tell, no way to change what modifier keys do like in Krita. How can I pick color with the Alt? Or in the color panel > scales tab LCh is always on by default and I have to click HSV every single time I open the program. Or the worst offender I can think of right now - layer boundaries exist and if you want to put pixels outside that boundary you have to do extra steps. That drives me nuts.
i think if that reddit post was about Ardour, i think its reception would be the same thing as GIMP. personally i don't think Ardour can complete with like FL Studio, Logic Pro X now.
Personally I'd love to see image editing be more like writing in LaTeX - a project file just being a -list- tree of effects, changes and other operations that you did on the source images. It could even be implemented as a library in some functional programming language. The only thing needed then would be some semi-interactive editor, to easily select positions in the image, colors, etc
I'm working on switching a client from Adobe to Affinity. It's not free software, but it's WAY less money than Photoshop/InDesign/Illustrator. Any insight on that (since it looks like you probably use Photoshop)?
IMO GIMP needs an user interface overhaul. I always had trouble learning how to use ir because of how messy and cluttered the GUI is compared to free alternatives, like Krita, Photoscape, My Paint and Paint dot Net. Sure PhotoGIMP helps a lot, but makes me wonder how such thing isn't at least an option in the preferences menu. Would help people transition from Photoshop to GIMP.
Any open-source will reach a stage where you won't have substancial development without a serious level of profissionalization. The Linux Kernel and Blender are good examples of that.
I don't use Gimp very often -in fact, I tend to use LibreOffice Writer for much of my graphic design. The reason is that I find Gimp pretty unintuitive. It's hard to learn on your own, and some basic features are missing or hard to find. Resizing a layer using the mouse, for instance. Once you do know how to do something, Gimp rocks. But getting there is way too hard, I think.
The missing shape tool annoyed me in the past as well. I switched to Inkscape for such things. To be fair you could select -> convert to path -> stroke path if it was just about eg. a frame
There are some programs that let you open inkscape from inside of them and then import the results directly without worrying out file moves, that would be a nice stop gap.
@@BrodieRobertson It kinda seems like the unix philosophy turned on its head. You have one very complex tool that does a whole lot of things and for the one job it cannot do, you use a second very complex tool. Love it. xD (I'm not a unix philosophy evangelist, just saw the irony^^)
Even I never needed it so for I fully agree with the _Bad Macros_ Most people don't want to code. If they have to touch code they rather turn off the program. My experience is that the average user is just that: Not interested in coding.
I wish software was like cooking, get all the recipes and after some experience, just mix them to your liking. İmagine getting some vegetables from gimp, putting in inkscaped water to boil. After that, make a sauce with krita leaves and grate some mypaint on top for taste. Maybe make some mesh-shake in blender if you like those stuff. 😂
Brodie, I would like to see a tutorial about installing eww-bar (eww-git in aur repositories) in a tiling window manager of your preference. Thanks, and have a nice week.
you forgot to include these features also 1 real warp transform . gimps warp transform is just a liquefy tool with a different name which is a bit misleading 2 a point transform tool 3 scaling and rotation options for the cage tool 4 better selection tools so you don't have to copy and paste your selection a million times you can just select , move and scale or rotate your selection or isolate to another layer instead of having to copy it and paste it over to another layer and having to delete the old selection 6 qt toolkit is way better than the gtk toolkit which is awful so switching to it will be beneficial heck even krita and gimps plugin gmic use the qt toolkit for its ui and better memory handling if gimp were to switch its issues of performance will mostly be fixed . from my pov gimp devs should just create a foundation (non profit ) and create official forum like blender and krita devs had and the forum will be we're you can post feature requests and bug reports and having a official foundation handiling a software will make people more comfortable donating to the software development . gimp failed while blender succeeded by listing to its users and fixing its issues like the old interface and having a good stable revenue input so money doesnt get tossed around to random people that won't distribute it properly like in gimp
gimps devs only earn a 1000 bucks per month and that's not even guaranteed if they will get a full thousand plus this makes them feel that it isn't worth it plus the amount of work needed to be put into this giant software that a couple of dudes are managing is enormous and requires high salarys
I'm still very confused by people not liking GIMP because they didn't 1:1 clone photoshop's ui. The moment they released single-window mode I stopped having any issues with the ui and I think it's been like a decade since? Are people actually just that lazy to learn alternative software? You can also still freely rearrange everything in single-window mode so everything's somewhere close to where you remember it from photoshop. Nevermind that if GIMP were to suddenly change to a 1:1 clone of photoshop's ui I as an existing user of GIMP for over a decade would be alienated by my software of choice. It just makes no sense to.
0:32 re: "some people just want photoshop, and that's all they're ever going to want" "That's not fixable without cloning photoshop". There's a lot of truth to how unreasonable people can be when demanding changes to open source software, a lot of unfair complaints. But I think there's a misunderstanding on what many experienced Ps users want from GIMP. "Those things can be modified, it's not that big of a deal" (
I can't speak for all features, but for photo editing on a higher level, it is still lacking. I am moving over to On1 Photo RAW. Different people have different requirements. The UI is really old looking.
Krita is superior and doesn't take 5+ years for the next major version. It might take only 2-2.5 years just like blender does now. Oh and doesn't do destructive things like gimp either, plus QT instead of GTK. Haven't you tried GMIC-Krita, this applies many fun effects as well, I find it a little more clunky on GIMP though.
Not touching the program rn, but the best I can think of is to create a new layer filled with black, and use a white brush. You could reduce the opacity if you need to see what's underneath and then raise the opacity to 100 and go to the 'channels' dockable window and click the 'channel to selection' option in the right click menu
@@BrodieRobertson Yes it's mainly made specifically for drawing but it has basically all the photo editing tools built into it including missing features Gimp does have like a far better layer manager, non destructive layers for effects, colour grading and other effects you can do to images/layers and more. That said I'm not here to bash on Gimp as it's a great tool even if it's UI really needs to be reamped and missing features which I'm sure they could fix/do Krita is my go to editing and of course drawing, you should try it yourself.
I hated gimp since the very beginning. Back then when I didn't know Linux, I wondered why anyone would use this instead of Photoshop. Now I know why, at least for my case: it's all there is on Linux. Also I hate Adobe and how overpriced they make all their software.
Have ypu ever tried Affinity Photo? Just like Photoshop it's sadly proprietary and not available for Linux (although the devs are not as negative about it as Adobe). However, it seems to have most of the stuff that Photoshop has, has some functions that PS doesn't have and it uses a one time payment system (per major version I believe), instead of a subscription model. It's really cheap too. I'm really hoping for a Linux build myself.
Its a little weird to me how gimp is so unpopular and doesn't seem to get a lot of support when it comes to development. For something that a large number of people use and would jump unto if it was a little better, gimp gets so little support. Its looked like that for so long at this point.
The word u are looking for is nodes. Natron and Krita use nodes for editing which creates an automation sequence as u edit. Completely non-distructive. No need to learn to code.
No its not! CMYK is a thing that the printer has to do right before printing. The data will be converted right before printing by the raster image proccessor. Its not the job of the picture editing software to do that. The picture editor should use CIE L*a*b for colors and if you want to know how the picture will be look like on a specific output device (printer or screen or whatever) you should use a preview of the target color space (soft proof). Gimp is able to do that. So there is absolutely no need for CMYK.
@@gintokisakata7490 with respect, do you have any experience with graphic design and publication work? Seeing colours in CMYK gives a better understanding and idea about the output of the work done. It's needed to make sure the colours are what it needs to be or atleast closely accurate for the output to as per what has been designed. Having CMYK removes the problem of estimation of colours that could possibly be from RGB because RGB to CMYK is not just some mode switch that's needed just before printing. The colours change and it changes the whole colour properties like hue, saturation and other aspects of colour based output of the work done. And working on a CMYK colour mode makes it easier to be print and publishing ready by keeping it accurate to it's colour as needed instead of the guessing and adjusting colours game, as compared to your option that needs to be rechecked without even knowing and seeing while working as going back and forth to keep checking what's the output, which is not ideal. How many time will this back and forth going will be okay? CMYK is a standard of colour gamut in print and design. Also why is it a bad thing to have things being easy with single specific option rather than going through different processes and technical hoops? We just want things to work out of the box. Not everyone is a techie and it's okay. Maybe I can do it and be okay with it but not everyone's gonna be. And if RGB to CMYK was same with only just for print variability were a case then CMYK would've not existed as far as I understand and know. And CMYK is standardised practice in print and publishing
I find GIMP a bit hard to grok, but no more so than when I tried Photoshop. I think a /lot/ of the hate is "different bad" rather than actual complaints about actual missing features. You've got some pretty good criticisms that aren't just "the select tool isn't in the exact same pixel as Photoshop's". My complaint is that "export" should be an option in the "save" menu, not it's own tool. As long as they don't go back to the old floating controls layout, I'm happy with the progress they're making & look forward to more :-) Most of my image editing could be better served with Kolourpaint either way, but I like to see things improve.
I have certainly noticed that and the post I referenced was making basically that argument, on the other side though there are people who think "GIMP is perfect the way it is and people should just stop using Photoshop because it's pointless" who are just as bad.
Some of this stuff has been requested for 20 years, shapes and multi layer selection are such basic expected features it would be like if GIMP was missing a paintbrush tool
GIMP is as much a Photoshop alternative as a Honda Civic is an transport alternative to a Ford F-150. The Ford will allow you to transport more stuff if you really need it, but the Honda is perfectly fine for at least 90% of the trips people will make. I would definitely not characterize GIMP as a jetski in this analogy. Although it might be possible for some people to use it as a genuine transportation vehicle, nearly 100% of the time a jetski will be used as a water sports toy-it's just too niche to be used for anything else. Yes, GIMP does lack a few features in comparison to Photoshop, but it is one of the most advanced alternatives out there, especially if you prioritize FOSS software. I find it quite impressive what a only handful of devs can do on a budget that can't be much larger than a very small fraction of Photoshop's. (Post Scriptum (had to spell that one out, just PS was too confusing in this context): GIMP, make non-destructive editing happen, we needs it!)
@@boldaer7619 "GIMP is as much a Photoshop alternative as a Honda Civic is an transport alternative to a Ford F-150" exactly a honda civic is not an alternative to a Ford F-150. sure most people don't need that Ford. but that does't change the fact that the honda is not an alternative to it. If you go about advertising a Honda Civic as an alternative to Ford F-150. not only do you make yourself look like an idiot, you potentially also damage the image of the Honda Civic. (oh that thing yeah they call it an alternative to this bad boy, but it sooooo bad compared to it, yeah don't bother) Instead of promoting GIMP (honda civic) as a (or comparing it with) Photoshop (Ford F-150) alternative, we should be promoting why 90% of the users can do everything they need/want with GIMP. We should be showcasing what GIMP __can__ do. why should that 90% of users give gimp a try? what can it do for them? how does it benefit them?
Though I'm not sure I can talk about gimps current features as I had to stop upgrading when they phased out the version of python that the resynthesizer plugin used
Gimp badly needs everything Krita has, mainly in the UX/UI department and in terms of non-destructive workflows, as well as in terms of default shortcuts. Even though it's an image manipulation program, Krita, being a painting program, does a better job than Gimp at exactly that. Mind you, neither approach Photoshop as it is now, though that's mainly because Adobe is going all over implementing neural networks they find in MIT papers. All Krita really needs now is a better algorithm for the content aware fill tool and an eyedropper option on most filters, as well as DDS support. Y'know, minus neural networks now being a big thing.
If I'm working with circles, I'm using inkscape. I'd rather have vector images than rasters. Graphic design is better when using inkscape plus linked images.
and gimp developers work for free and the program is free and open source... while adobe is a gigantic corporation that charges a literal shit ton for their products and doesn't respect the rights of the user...
@@DMSBrian24 they should NOT work for free. Developers are deserved to be paid fully. I do NOT support free labor. People need to pay their bills and FOSS must change its philosophy.
@@SkyFly19853 as nice as that sounds they chose to work on a project where funding is entirely community driven, I'd like them to be paid more as well but none of us here have the money to fully fund the project
@@BrodieRobertson I understand. I plan to reverse that. I wanna support developers and see them getting fully paid. After all, those developers develops useful apps and wonderful video games. They deserve better.
5:22 i haven't watched this video complete, **edit:** have watched complete, and u still haven't said anything but they know and are working on the stufff u mentioned before - the layer rearrangement and getting the effects and their non-destructibility right. i don't know why u dont research and provide full info. do ur research man, u are a video creator, it's disappointing.
@@BrodieRobertson but u didn't mention that they are working on them for the next big release of gimp (3.0 and further). which always give wrong impressions. here's how it makes a difference: * mentioning that they are working on it - makes the viewers aware of it * not mentioning gives the impression that this is the status quo with the things. another way to understand it: * way, when some software is launched, then why do every reviewer mention that things are beta, under development, they are working on it etc etc.. ??
@@BrodieRobertson obviously u will say that in ur defense, but they are very much related if u want to accept it what i am saying is, show the bad side however u want, but if there's some good (whether existing or upcoming) u have to mention that too - howsoever brief it may be. otherwise, there's no difference in "content creators for the people" vs some institution or some sales & marketing department of a company
see this video at around 12:35 where the person was complaining about godot and see how he warned that this is going to change and improve as he "do not want to scare people off". As that IS a sensible thing to do. title: I Used Godot For 100 Hours, Here’s What I Learned channel: Lazy Alarm video id: YVjT0OeE4P0
Gimp has support for vectors, in the form of Paths. Also text format is supported native. So it is clearly not just about bitmap graphics, and should not be. Also shape tools could only add non vector format layers at least, just to satisfy your requirements.
What I'm really suggesting is that Gimp should be developed further as a bitmap editor. The resulting images can then be opened in krita, Corel draw, etc
@@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321 My memory is a bit fuzzy on this but doesn't Photoshop have some rudimentary vector capability? Gimp is really far closer to Photoshop than to Krita. And there is already Inkscape that's like Corel Draw, but those are full vector graphics work. We need something that is a capable replacement for Photoshop. Krita is really like Corel Painter. Photoshop and Gimp are for photography, graphic design, and multimedia. It should really combine raster and vector tools.
@@BrodieRobertson Nvidia could release their drivers as "Open Source" right now but add a restrictive license that prevents any person or corporation from using that code. "Free Software" is a stronger term that actually shows care for users' freedom.
@@skia5635 No, that means source available. Open Source software uses licenses approved by OSI. For example the entire Unreal Engine source code can be read by everyone, but it's not open source because of the licenses it uses.
One piece of advice that I heard once was that, "Gimp isn't photoshop so gimp expects you to do things differently to get results just as great as photoshop". Because you can get amazing results out of it but as is, it is a pain to use, even casually. The better layer management and non-destructive modifiers alone would be mind-blowing.
the very same arguments apply to Scribus when comparing it with Adobe InDesign.. Scribus developers who manage to interact with users in their forums, tend to reply always the same "Scribus is not InDesign" BUT the point is that InDesign takes lots of suggestions from professional designers in order to render the working process far easier, practical and convenient.. is all about efficiency !!!
As an animator, I've been using Krita for years (ever since they *added* animation support) and I can't help but notice how many of these issues just don't really exist over on Krita.
Obviously Krita is more Drawing oriented than Gimp's Photo Editing focus but the two softwares overlap a lot in functionality.
Krita is an incredible program for drawing, Krita also has more of a mainstream public appeal not as much as Blender but much more than GIMP
Animation should be done with an animation tool, not with a picture editor. Its dumb, if every tool is implementing stuff that already exists elsewhere, like reinventing the wheel … The way to go is a better use of standardized exchange formats. So if you want to edit an SVG in Gimp, Gimp shouldnt use his own algorithms and GUI-stuff, it should just open the SVG standard tool of the system (in most cases that would be Inkscape).
@@gintokisakata7490 calm down, Photoshop has had limited animation ability for near(over?) a decade now, gif artists tend to rely on that kind of thing, and I don't know if you are a professional artist or not but being bounced between two programs when you're working on a single project is one of the last things I want if I can help it. The way Krita handles SVG is the better way to go, the SVG tools have only the bare minimum required functionality and if you need more control you can import an external SVG. Like in your suggestion what would you do if you are trying to trace a sketch with vector tools?
I'll give Krita a shot for my 2D work then I guess.
@@gintokisakata7490 I think he's talking about the inflexibility of it. Say you made an svg logo in inkscape, but you want to insert it into a raster image but don't know where you want to put it or how big its gonna be.
Though it's not necessarily a problem for most casual users, proper CMYK support is also a must if GIMP is to have any hope of being adopted in the professional world of graphic design
GIMP badly needs interactive layer masks. This is the feature I miss the most from Photoshop. It makes masking so much easier. It is the masking equivalent of the no-shape-tool problem. As was stated in the video, layer management is a huge bugbear in GIMP.
What are you describing? Was it introduced after cs4? I want to know what I'm missing
@@notimportant7682 Same here.
@@notimportant7682 You can't move around the layer masks in GIMP independently of the position of the layer they are applied to. You can do this and other things with layer masks in Photoshop, which makes them very flexible and powerful. Lookup Photoshop layer masks in TH-cam, and you will see what I mean. This feature has existed in Photoshop since at least version 5.5 fi not 5.0 (not CS, bu the older branch).
@@Nukelover I'm moving around the mask independently of the layer in gimp right now? the only thing I can think of that is different than what I remember from photoshop is gimp automatically deletes any part of the mask that goes outside of the layer boundary
rotations and scaling are dumb though because it shows the literal pixels of the mask instead of being able to see the mask applied while you edit it
Remember that GIMP is libre software - there's not some huge development force behind closed doors somewhere. Instead, anyone can contribute changes, and there are only a few people (and none are full-time, it's all volunteer work).
Some of the things in this video are already planned e.g. for GIMP 3.2.
Shapes and vector layers were written as a Google summer of code project, but the student wandered off and it's unfinished and needs a volunteer.
And, of course, everyone we ask wants different features.
Long live Free (Libre) Software
Just cause it's FOSS software doesn't mean we could excuse it fully. Blender is FOSS but it's been getting an extreme sweep of new features since its inception. We need to learn that constantly coddling programs mean it won't get fixed, we need to criticize them.
@@nikkoa.3639 it's not about excusing or blaming or coddling. You can blame the software all you like for not being something else, but in the end it's made by volunteers, and if you want it to be different, volunteer, or help us find volunteers.
@@nikkoa.3639 Check Blender's monthly funding and how many companies and individuals are contributing to it; Gimp's contributors are miniscule in size compared to Blender.
@@nofreewill GIMP has $1.3M, yes, million, just sitting in their crpytowallets since 2014
Your going to love the new gimp once it comes out, they are porting most of the plugins to gegl which allows non destructive editing
They are are also working on that one click plugin instillation store that you were wanting and this is also something that will allow you to install more themes
> _"which allows non destructive editing"_
@@samueloldham7544 yeah, i was thinking same. i dk why these vid creators do half baked videos.
I love GIMP and it's great and 90% of the time I can translate between Photoshop and GIMP knowledge and tutorials without problems but when you get to the really really professional stuff like I am now GIMP just doesn't cut it, especially if you have deadlines
I wish it was just the professional stuff but when it's things like multi layer selection that effects everyone
@@BrodieRobertson gimp 2.89 beta offers this and with plugins as well I can't see how you'd have much of a problem, if I can help you in any way let me know
Your 'prayer' thumbnail was great Brodie :)
You mentioned shapes, and I agree...Microsoft had it in Windows 3.1 in the MS paint app! But also, text effects! Why do they need to be rasterized in Gimp? i can apply nice effect to text, but I can't change the text after because the effects are not changing with it, they keep the shape of the original text! (Effects like strokes and drop shadows)
I am so happy to find honest reviews like this one ! you should do similar one for Scribus (an open source desktop publishing software that is supposed to be the InDesign alternative... BUT... lacks plenty of practical features. for example the text wrap around an image is a nightmare compared to indesign... and so on... the document does not open at last page you have been editing and saved before quitting ... etc...
I lust after the most simple things like auto preview text color and some other simple things
There is something pretty smart about all of your shapes being managed by the selection. The selection features in GIMP are suitable for anything I've encountered so far - and so I am pleased.
Background selection is also a hit or miss in GIMP, for anyone editing one or two photos they can do it with, but for professional work with 100s of photos might be a big problem.
I tend to do it manually because of that problem
Now you can do groups of photos in gimp
Gimp is awesome, I learned it years ago at primary school instead of Photoshop and for me it's way more intuitive and easier to use than Photoshop ever since. People are too quick to judge things as bad simply because they're not used to them and haven't given them a proper chance at all. I agree that PS is a better program and many professionals that rely on it cannot simply make the switch. That said, Gimp absolutely does not suck and a lot of the missing features are currently being worked on.
Unfortunately that's what I used to say back in 2009. By now I've lost hope
Gimp really lacking some useful features, and it not because people used to do everything ps...
I never used ps my self , but have saw it,
It has really nice feat.s like selecting a object in pic in just with press of a button using AI, yes we can do tge same by manually selecting thing and thinga like that, but it is waaayyyyy more covinet when computer does jalf of the work for you....
And most profestnals dont care about FOSS, they just only look for good experince...
@@FLMKane when I tried linux back then it was still a hot mess tbh, in the recent years it's improving seemingly exponentially and many foss applications follow this trend, gimp is definitely slow with catching up to ps but sooner or later it will get there and hopefully become the market standard much like other foss apps such as vlc, blender or docker have, with more to follow, perhaps kdenlive, ardour, they can only improve with time while proprietary apps keep getting worse and worse when it comes to spyware, services, subscription models, ads etc.
@@DMSBrian24 in my long experience, peak Linux was 2010. Then it became awful with GNOME shell,unity and KDE 4.
NOWADAYS its at that peak again, like in the days of GNOME 2. But there are caveats. I'm having a more stable experience with Debian sid than Ubuntu for example
@@DMSBrian24 ya know ... I just thought more about what you said.
If blender can kick Mayas ass, why is Gimp stuck being 2nd best?
I'm an illustrator and primarily use Krita for 90% percent of the all digital work, funny thing is all those features that you mention that Gimp lacks are already implemented in Krita but Krita is not optimized for photo editing, it lacks the speed and "nice to haves" that a dedicated photo manipulator has, either than that every tool a basic to intermediate user needs for photo manipulation in available. You trade speed for a better non destructive work flow.
I just don't understand, why something like GIMP doesn't have a fork already ??
I read the original Reddit thread few days ago, and while the wording was Photoshop-specific, I understand the intent behind this thread. GIMP is trapped in a vicious cycle dev(s) can't get out of: GIMP's development is slow > users see neglect > they are dissatisfied and complain online > demoralized GIMP devs start quitting > GIMP's development is slow > rinse/repeat. A lot of diehard GIMP supporters always write "GIMP needs funding", but not only do they receive way more funding than any other newcomer bitmap / raster / vector graphics editor developer + teams out there currently (software like Penpot, Pixelmator for Mac, heck, even Drawing 1.0 for GNOME all started as 1-2 member teams with 0 funding and have made more strides faster than GIMP has ever done), they are notoriously known for mismanaging it all. I personally have 0 faith in this project's development, but -when- if GIMP 3.0 ever comes comes out, I hope I become wrong.
I suspect one of the person in charge of gimp actively turn down and block any improvement. I can not be sure for GIMP but I've seen this on multiple FOSS projects. They will tell X or Y feature is missing because it take time and it is too much work. Then you look the pull request list and notice somebody already coded the feature and they said no or completely ignored it. I really suspect it is the case for GIMP just based on looking at what feature get added on other branch.
@@leucome I know exactly who you're talking about. Talking to this guy is like walking on eggshells, he's always dismissive of everyone's opinion by saying "no, it's purely a problem of lack of time, money and manpower", but other community-based apps have had this exact problem at some point in life, but solved it together in good faith. GIMP hasn't and that says a lot about them.
You have any opinions on Krita?
It supports more of the PSD format, is non destructive when editing, supports CYMA colorspace, 10-bit support proper. Its text utility is still a little lacking compared to GIMP though. The real question is how Photopea compares to them all as it supports almost all Photoshop format and is online.
Krita is an incredible drawing application
The transform tool blurs the crap out if the image if you're resizing or rotating or anything. Slight color inconsistancies are a problem too, makes it hard to do things like seperate out lineart from a white background. Those are the main problems I can remember
nlg, the ui and the unable to select multiple layers is a huge killer for me in gimp
I used GIMP on Windows 7 for several years until I switched to Linux. The learning curve was steep, but I've been able to make book covers and other images to my satisfaction.
My main issue with gimp is that is has a perfect circle phobia. Even the paint brush isn't a perfect circle! its less tall than wide. I end up using krita for non-photo manipulation tasks.
I use the 2.89 beta and apart from some crashes it works really nicely with multi layer selection and the paint selection. Didn't really use anything else so far.
Do you mean the gtk3 gimp 2.99.10 beta? I wasn't aware there is also a beta for gtk2 version
@@magnusanderson6681 IDK. I just downloaded and it works pretty well. I don't really care if it's GTK2 or GTK3 rn.
I usually prefer inkspace than GIMP, because it GIMP does take a while to find the tools you want or apply the specific styles.
Gimp is like gnome: "we don't add it because it doesn't fit our workflow" or "that's not how we want you to use it"
The GIMP, my first love in image editing and still using it for my projects.
Photoshop? I don't care 😂
what i want from gimp is better text tools and better ways to create guides and a horizontal tool bar
I want two big things from GIMP. Being able to add effects to text, and being able to put text on a path.... while keeping the text editable. Honestly, the entire text tool needs to be redone. It is clunky AF.
in my case. i wouldn't say GIMP is bad. i just found it a bit intuitive to use . i learned to photo edit on a program called pixelmator pro, its a mac only App and is highly polished. everything is laid out to make is very easy. even though its a very powerful editing application. GIMP i had trouble with layers and blending modes when attempting frequency separation. i never used photoshop never had to. so i cant really compare it to that.
I use gimp for the most simple things, so it's perfectly fine for me. I've got many shortcuts changed from default to something I like and remember better. As for selecting multiple layers, I just click the little chain icon next to the layers I want to link and move them around that way. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Not for you maybe, but after you have like 10 layers you need to move, it does become a pain in the ass
@@kendarr Fortunately this is fixed in gimp 3
@@notuxnobux Yeah but gimp 3 isn't out yet :/
@@kendarr Yep, my only problem is remembering to hit M to do movement instead of S to scale. I should probably change the cursor images so I can tell when it's in one mode or the other better.
Useful tip, cheers.
I guess the biggest problem GIMP has is that Photoshop is just pretty good. Like Photoshop users hate Photoshop a lot less then say Premiere Pro users hate Premiere Pro and of course they come together in their hate for Adobe. But that hate is not strong enough to switch to a less capable tool, especially for professional work. If you can’t deliver/consume good PSDs you might as well not try.
Gimp is a far throw from what my first interaction with it was, but I can't hate the application and I love it for what it represents.
It is YOUR photo editor, it isn't just free as in the cost, but it is YOURs to own all the way through.
I know it sounds like some free software foundation propoganda, but for what it can do today and that you will have a license to really do whatever the hell you want it including changing it, it is marvelous.
It isn't flawless and my use of it is for very simple tasks as I can't always get away with handling the project files when I need a full blown editor. (Game texture editing that auto handles the layering of textures using Photoshop / Paintshop project files)
So it isn't perfect, but it is cross platform, I can use it on BSD, Windows, Mac and Linux and I can't say any other editor out there can do that at the moment.
That's why I wanted to make it clear that GIMP is a great project but just because it's great and getting better doesn't mean that there isn't more than can be done.
04:20 What a wallpaper 😂
Gimp should use CIE L*a*b as the standard for defining colours. There also should be a file format that is saving colour data in CIE L*a*b, NOT RGB or CMYK.
Yes.
Non destructive editing is basically the main reason I’m not switching to Gimp (layer management is a close second though) Sure I’ve used Photoshop for 8 years, from pirating CS5 when I was 11 to using Photoshop CC and getting my Adobe certificate in 2018 in school, but I am tired of Windows and want to switch to Linux. The only thing keeping me from doing so that Photoshop isn’t supported and Gimp isn’t even close to competing with it yet
I use photoshop and gimp (when I'm too lazy to reboot). Imo the main problem of gimp is that the current features it supports are not so comfortable to use/access (not so much a lack of features). Gimp needs workflow changes, quality of life changes, UI changes, and other such polishes. There are a lot of minor issues that snowball together to make gimp a subpar experience compared to photoshop at least.
Apart from things you mention (like multiple layer select... :@ ), some personal examples are: there is, as far as I can tell, no way to change what modifier keys do like in Krita. How can I pick color with the Alt? Or in the color panel > scales tab LCh is always on by default and I have to click HSV every single time I open the program. Or the worst offender I can think of right now - layer boundaries exist and if you want to put pixels outside that boundary you have to do extra steps. That drives me nuts.
i think if that reddit post was about Ardour, i think its reception would be the same thing as GIMP.
personally i don't think Ardour can complete with like FL Studio, Logic Pro X now.
Personally I'd love to see image editing be more like writing in LaTeX - a project file just being a -list- tree of effects, changes and other operations that you did on the source images.
It could even be implemented as a library in some functional programming language. The only thing needed then would be some semi-interactive editor, to easily select positions in the image, colors, etc
Lol,. I've actually done this before. Did you know it's turning complete
I'm working on switching a client from Adobe to Affinity. It's not free software, but it's WAY less money than Photoshop/InDesign/Illustrator. Any insight on that (since it looks like you probably use Photoshop)?
Affinity is great. I have used it for years. Best photoshop alternative. Definitely much better than GIMP. IMO
IMO GIMP needs an user interface overhaul. I always had trouble learning how to use ir because of how messy and cluttered the GUI is compared to free alternatives, like Krita, Photoscape, My Paint and Paint dot Net.
Sure PhotoGIMP helps a lot, but makes me wonder how such thing isn't at least an option in the preferences menu. Would help people transition from Photoshop to GIMP.
Any open-source will reach a stage where you won't have substancial development without a serious level of profissionalization. The Linux Kernel and Blender are good examples of that.
I think widespread use is also a major factor in that
@@BrodieRobertson they go hand in hand. But a growing user base won't support a lack of professional organization
I don't use Gimp very often -in fact, I tend to use LibreOffice Writer for much of my graphic design. The reason is that I find Gimp pretty unintuitive. It's hard to learn on your own, and some basic features are missing or hard to find. Resizing a layer using the mouse, for instance.
Once you do know how to do something, Gimp rocks. But getting there is way too hard, I think.
The missing shape tool annoyed me in the past as well. I switched to Inkscape for such things. To be fair you could select -> convert to path -> stroke path if it was just about eg. a frame
Sure hope some developers watch your channel.
Inkscape is GIMP's shape tool. 🤪
There are some programs that let you open inkscape from inside of them and then import the results directly without worrying out file moves, that would be a nice stop gap.
@@BrodieRobertson It kinda seems like the unix philosophy turned on its head. You have one very complex tool that does a whole lot of things and for the one job it cannot do, you use a second very complex tool. Love it. xD
(I'm not a unix philosophy evangelist, just saw the irony^^)
@@80kilomett86 gnu is not unix.
Even I never needed it so for I fully agree with the _Bad Macros_
Most people don't want to code. If they have to touch code they rather turn off the program. My experience is that the average user is just that: Not interested in coding.
I wish software was like cooking, get all the recipes and after some experience, just mix them to your liking.
İmagine getting some vegetables from gimp, putting in inkscaped water to boil. After that, make a sauce with krita leaves and grate some mypaint on top for taste. Maybe make some mesh-shake in blender if you like those stuff. 😂
Multi layer is the ONLY thing I really feel like GIMP misses, but I don't use GIMP all that often.
Brodie, I would like to see a tutorial about installing eww-bar (eww-git in aur repositories) in a tiling window manager of your preference. Thanks, and have a nice week.
CMYK in Gimp?
Gimp has you take the longway for most shortcuts that you can do in photoshop..
you forgot to include these features also
1 real warp transform . gimps warp transform is just a liquefy tool with a different name which is a bit misleading
2 a point transform tool
3 scaling and rotation options for the cage tool
4 better selection tools so you don't have to copy and paste your selection a million times you can just select , move and scale or rotate your selection or isolate to another layer instead of having to copy it and paste it over to another layer and having to delete the old selection
6 qt toolkit is way better than the gtk toolkit which is awful so switching to it will be beneficial heck even krita and gimps plugin gmic use the qt toolkit for its ui and better memory handling if gimp were to switch its issues of performance will mostly be fixed .
from my pov gimp devs should just create a foundation (non profit ) and create official forum like blender and krita devs had and the forum will be we're you can post feature requests and bug reports and having a official foundation handiling a software will make people more comfortable donating to the software development .
gimp failed while blender succeeded by listing to its users and fixing its issues like the old interface and having a good stable revenue input so money doesnt get tossed around to random people that won't distribute it properly like in gimp
gimps devs only earn a 1000 bucks per month and that's not even guaranteed if they will get a full thousand plus this makes them feel that it isn't worth it plus the amount of work needed to be put into this giant software that a couple of dudes are managing is enormous and requires high salarys
I could make this video 10 hours long talking about features but nobody would watch that lol
@@BrodieRobertson agreed
I want your desktop background picture. Please provide.
Photoshop runs pretty good under wine, I have used photoshop on linux for years now and works perfectly for me and the things I do in photoshop
Which version? I didn't think the modern versions did
@@BrodieRobertson sorry my reply keeps getting deleted
@@TheDrunkenAlcoholic weird
@@BrodieRobertson yeah only when i mention G.I.T and Pshop and easy to installs script from Gictorbit
Shape tool workaround: Select something -> Edit -> Stroke selection
lets see I like GIMP because it's FREE!!!
I'm still very confused by people not liking GIMP because they didn't 1:1 clone photoshop's ui. The moment they released single-window mode I stopped having any issues with the ui and I think it's been like a decade since? Are people actually just that lazy to learn alternative software? You can also still freely rearrange everything in single-window mode so everything's somewhere close to where you remember it from photoshop. Nevermind that if GIMP were to suddenly change to a 1:1 clone of photoshop's ui I as an existing user of GIMP for over a decade would be alienated by my software of choice. It just makes no sense to.
0:32 re: "some people just want photoshop, and that's all they're ever going to want" "That's not fixable without cloning photoshop".
There's a lot of truth to how unreasonable people can be when demanding changes to open source software, a lot of unfair complaints. But I think there's a misunderstanding on what many experienced Ps users want from GIMP.
"Those things can be modified, it's not that big of a deal" (
5:42 - 5:50 Accidental Santa Claus
Good video.
I can't speak for all features, but for photo editing on a higher level, it is still lacking. I am moving over to On1 Photo RAW. Different people have different requirements. The UI is really old looking.
Where can I find your wallpaper?
Wait till you discover Krita :) Gimp, still wins as has extensions and tools that are fun to play with.
Krita is superior and doesn't take 5+ years for the next major version. It might take only 2-2.5 years just like blender does now. Oh and doesn't do destructive things like gimp either, plus QT instead of GTK. Haven't you tried GMIC-Krita, this applies many fun effects as well, I find it a little more clunky on GIMP though.
Keira serves a very different purpose to Gimp
Okay well. And here I thought I was just stupid and didn't know how to select multiple layers. Okay than..... yes, gimp does suck.
i think that's coming in the next major update iirc xd
@@DMSBrian24 it was in the beta last time I used that and hopefully it makes its way to the stable release
Try doing a sky replacement with hair in the shot in under 5 mins using GIMP 😬😬😬
Yesterday I needed to paint selection. Is there a way to paint selection other than to select by color or select with fuzzy select tool?
Not touching the program rn, but the best I can think of is to create a new layer filled with black, and use a white brush. You could reduce the opacity if you need to see what's underneath and then raise the opacity to 100 and go to the 'channels' dockable window and click the 'channel to selection' option in the right click menu
@@notimportant7682 Hmmm, I'll definitely have to try that. Rather unfortunate workaround. Thank you.
Try quick mask, its also great for viewing and amending feathered selections.
Yeah this is where Krita is a far better replacement
For drawing yes, but I wouldn't say so for image editing.
@@BrodieRobertson Yes it's mainly made specifically for drawing but it has basically all the photo editing tools built into it including missing features Gimp does have like a far better layer manager, non destructive layers for effects, colour grading and other effects you can do to images/layers and more. That said I'm not here to bash on Gimp as it's a great tool even if it's UI really needs to be reamped and missing features which I'm sure they could fix/do
Krita is my go to editing and of course drawing, you should try it yourself.
I hated gimp since the very beginning. Back then when I didn't know Linux, I wondered why anyone would use this instead of Photoshop. Now I know why, at least for my case: it's all there is on Linux. Also I hate Adobe and how overpriced they make all their software.
Have ypu ever tried Affinity Photo? Just like Photoshop it's sadly proprietary and not available for Linux (although the devs are not as negative about it as Adobe). However, it seems to have most of the stuff that Photoshop has, has some functions that PS doesn't have and it uses a one time payment system (per major version I believe), instead of a subscription model. It's really cheap too. I'm really hoping for a Linux build myself.
@@jarnobot I didn't try it, sadly, precisely because it's not available on Linux. For now I'm stuck with GIMP.
Even tho krita has his fair share of problems i will used over Gimp any day of the week
Its a little weird to me how gimp is so unpopular and doesn't seem to get a lot of support when it comes to development. For something that a large number of people use and would jump unto if it was a little better, gimp gets so little support. Its looked like that for so long at this point.
So basically you want Krita :-D
The word u are looking for is nodes. Natron and Krita use nodes for editing which creates an automation sequence as u edit. Completely non-distructive. No need to learn to code.
No support for CMYK is a major missing. It's an important and necessary feature, just can't understand how that doesn't exist on GIMP
For actual professional work no doubt
No its not! CMYK is a thing that the printer has to do right before printing. The data will be converted right before printing by the raster image proccessor. Its not the job of the picture editing software to do that. The picture editor should use CIE L*a*b for colors and if you want to know how the picture will be look like on a specific output device (printer or screen or whatever) you should use a preview of the target color space (soft proof). Gimp is able to do that. So there is absolutely no need for CMYK.
@@BrodieRobertson No, thats wrong. See my other comment here in this thread. ;P
@@gintokisakata7490 with respect, do you have any experience with graphic design and publication work?
Seeing colours in CMYK gives a better understanding and idea about the output of the work done. It's needed to make sure the colours are what it needs to be or atleast closely accurate for the output to as per what has been designed. Having CMYK removes the problem of estimation of colours that could possibly be from RGB because RGB to CMYK is not just some mode switch that's needed just before printing. The colours change and it changes the whole colour properties like hue, saturation and other aspects of colour based output of the work done. And working on a CMYK colour mode makes it easier to be print and publishing ready by keeping it accurate to it's colour as needed instead of the guessing and adjusting colours game, as compared to your option that needs to be rechecked without even knowing and seeing while working as going back and forth to keep checking what's the output, which is not ideal. How many time will this back and forth going will be okay?
CMYK is a standard of colour gamut in print and design. Also why is it a bad thing to have things being easy with single specific option rather than going through different processes and technical hoops? We just want things to work out of the box. Not everyone is a techie and it's okay. Maybe I can do it and be okay with it but not everyone's gonna be. And if RGB to CMYK was same with only just for print variability were a case then CMYK would've not existed as far as I understand and know. And CMYK is standardised practice in print and publishing
its already better than photoshop as it doesnt scam you off of so much money just for an image editing program
I find GIMP a bit hard to grok, but no more so than when I tried Photoshop. I think a /lot/ of the hate is "different bad" rather than actual complaints about actual missing features. You've got some pretty good criticisms that aren't just "the select tool isn't in the exact same pixel as Photoshop's". My complaint is that "export" should be an option in the "save" menu, not it's own tool.
As long as they don't go back to the old floating controls layout, I'm happy with the progress they're making & look forward to more :-) Most of my image editing could be better served with Kolourpaint either way, but I like to see things improve.
I have certainly noticed that and the post I referenced was making basically that argument, on the other side though there are people who think "GIMP is perfect the way it is and people should just stop using Photoshop because it's pointless" who are just as bad.
i dunno i wouldn't consider gimp an "photoshop alternative" until it at least has these features
Some of this stuff has been requested for 20 years, shapes and multi layer selection are such basic expected features it would be like if GIMP was missing a paintbrush tool
GIMP is as much a Photoshop alternative as a Honda Civic is an transport alternative to a Ford F-150. The Ford will allow you to transport more stuff if you really need it, but the Honda is perfectly fine for at least 90% of the trips people will make.
I would definitely not characterize GIMP as a jetski in this analogy. Although it might be possible for some people to use it as a genuine transportation vehicle, nearly 100% of the time a jetski will be used as a water sports toy-it's just too niche to be used for anything else.
Yes, GIMP does lack a few features in comparison to Photoshop, but it is one of the most advanced alternatives out there, especially if you prioritize FOSS software. I find it quite impressive what a only handful of devs can do on a budget that can't be much larger than a very small fraction of Photoshop's.
(Post Scriptum (had to spell that one out, just PS was too confusing in this context): GIMP, make non-destructive editing happen, we needs it!)
@@BrodieRobertson yeah well maybe gimp was never meant to be a "photoshop alternative" xD
@@boldaer7619 "GIMP is as much a Photoshop alternative as a Honda Civic is an transport alternative to a Ford F-150"
exactly a honda civic is not an alternative to a Ford F-150. sure most people don't need that Ford. but that does't change the fact that the honda is not an alternative to it.
If you go about advertising a Honda Civic as an alternative to Ford F-150. not only do you make yourself look like an idiot, you potentially also damage the image of the Honda Civic. (oh that thing yeah they call it an alternative to this bad boy, but it sooooo bad compared to it, yeah don't bother)
Instead of promoting GIMP (honda civic) as a (or comparing it with) Photoshop (Ford F-150) alternative, we should be promoting why 90% of the users can do everything they need/want with GIMP. We should be showcasing what GIMP __can__ do. why should that 90% of users give gimp a try? what can it do for them? how does it benefit them?
Had to warp text around a path once, complete nightmare, had to take the image into inkscape, export and back into gimp
Generally gimp handles all of my use cases untill I have to do graphic design, however I do not take the current incarnation of gimp for granted
Though I'm not sure I can talk about gimps current features as I had to stop upgrading when they phased out the version of python that the resynthesizer plugin used
Gimp needs one thing to compete
A usable UI
Try the photogimp interface
Gimp badly needs everything Krita has, mainly in the UX/UI department and in terms of non-destructive workflows, as well as in terms of default shortcuts.
Even though it's an image manipulation program, Krita, being a painting program, does a better job than Gimp at exactly that.
Mind you, neither approach Photoshop as it is now, though that's mainly because Adobe is going all over implementing neural networks they find in MIT papers.
All Krita really needs now is a better algorithm for the content aware fill tool and an eyedropper option on most filters, as well as DDS support.
Y'know, minus neural networks now being a big thing.
Gimp user for a long time now, didn't realize how bad it is.
You can't draw a circle without using hacks, that is why.
If I'm working with circles, I'm using inkscape. I'd rather have vector images than rasters. Graphic design is better when using inkscape plus linked images.
Also... you can just use the elipse selection tool and fill it...
And you have to wait for decades to see such features... while Adobe making progress non stop...
and gimp developers work for free and the program is free and open source... while adobe is a gigantic corporation that charges a literal shit ton for their products and doesn't respect the rights of the user...
@@DMSBrian24
they should NOT work for free.
Developers are deserved to be paid fully.
I do NOT support free labor.
People need to pay their bills and FOSS must change its philosophy.
@@DMSBrian24 great thing I haven't given Adobe a cent but yet still use their products lol :-)
@@SkyFly19853 as nice as that sounds they chose to work on a project where funding is entirely community driven, I'd like them to be paid more as well but none of us here have the money to fully fund the project
@@BrodieRobertson
I understand.
I plan to reverse that.
I wanna support developers and see them getting fully paid.
After all, those developers develops useful apps and wonderful video games.
They deserve better.
5:22 i haven't watched this video complete, **edit:** have watched complete, and u still haven't said anything
but they know and are working on the stufff u mentioned before - the layer rearrangement and getting the effects and their non-destructibility right.
i don't know why u dont research and provide full info. do ur research man, u are a video creator, it's disappointing.
Did I say they weren't working on them, what makes you think I didn't do my research
@@BrodieRobertson but u didn't mention that they are working on them for the next big release of gimp (3.0 and further). which always give wrong impressions.
here's how it makes a difference:
* mentioning that they are working on it - makes the viewers aware of it
* not mentioning gives the impression that this is the status quo with the things.
another way to understand it:
* way, when some software is launched, then why do every reviewer mention that things are beta, under development, they are working on it etc etc.. ??
@@yash1152 that's a completely different problem then where we started
@@BrodieRobertson obviously u will say that in ur defense, but they are very much related if u want to accept it
what i am saying is, show the bad side however u want, but if there's some good (whether existing or upcoming) u have to mention that too - howsoever brief it may be. otherwise, there's no difference in "content creators for the people" vs some institution or some sales & marketing department of a company
see this video at around 12:35 where the person was complaining about godot and see how he warned that this is going to change and improve as he "do not want to scare people off". As that IS a sensible thing to do.
title: I Used Godot For 100 Hours, Here’s What I Learned
channel: Lazy Alarm
video id: YVjT0OeE4P0
No shape tools because the correct way to do that is svg. And Gimp is all about bitmap graphics.
Oh yeah, well, your gf is cheating on you with Microsoft. :P
I don't know if you're meming or coping
Gimp has support for vectors, in the form of Paths. Also text format is supported native. So it is clearly not just about bitmap graphics, and should not be. Also shape tools could only add non vector format layers at least, just to satisfy your requirements.
What I'm really suggesting is that Gimp should be developed further as a bitmap editor. The resulting images can then be opened in krita, Corel draw, etc
@@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321 My memory is a bit fuzzy on this but doesn't Photoshop have some rudimentary vector capability? Gimp is really far closer to Photoshop than to Krita. And there is already Inkscape that's like Corel Draw, but those are full vector graphics work. We need something that is a capable replacement for Photoshop. Krita is really like Corel Painter. Photoshop and Gimp are for photography, graphic design, and multimedia. It should really combine raster and vector tools.
9:48 Instead of "Open Source", please call it "Free(Libre) Software" (freedom respecting sofrware); you do care about users' freedom, right?
You know what I'm saying
@@BrodieRobertson Nvidia could release their drivers as "Open Source" right now but add a restrictive license that prevents any person or corporation from using that code.
"Free Software" is a stronger term that actually shows care for users' freedom.
@@skia5635 No, that means source available. Open Source software uses licenses approved by OSI.
For example the entire Unreal Engine source code can be read by everyone, but it's not open source because of the licenses it uses.