Small Stone Version 1 vs Version 3 - Vintage Electro Harmonix Phaser Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ม.ค. 2021
- In this video I compare a Version 1 Small Stone Phaser to a Version 3 Small Stone Phaser. The version 1 is from 1974-1976 and the version 3 is from 1979-1982.
Gear:
1974-1976 Electro Harmonix Small Stone V1
1979-1982 Electro Harmonix Small Stone V3
1965 fender Show man Amp
1968 Marshall 1982A
2008 Gibson Les Paul R9
2xShure SM57 and a Beyerdynamic M160 - เพลง
The older one's a bit more lofi sounding. The 80s one has more clarity, but I do like how the top end sounds of the original. I actually bought the original because of an older video you did, and I love that thing. My guitar teacher told me he had the 80s version and gave it to a friend, and he regretted it, so last Christmas, I got up the money to buy him another off Reverb. He was floored. Love my guitar teacher, been taking lessons with him for years now
Thank you. I really like your video's and I'm not even a guitar player. Thank you also for adding those amazing landscapes. Please keep on doing that!
I have an MXR phase 100 and this is a different beast for sure, The things you played to showcase the effect were perfect. I need to get this as soon as possible. Thanks!!!
The BEST small stone comparison demo video I’ve ever heard!!
Loving 2:40 very early pumpkinsesque, both cool
Thanks!
Thanks for showing your vintage small stone Phase Shifters! So awesome!
Both sound great. Nothing like the lush beauty you get from old school analog phasing. Great job!
Thanks Dave! Cheers
My favourite sounding phasers, I like the clarity of the V1, must find one...
Yeah the lower mid of that one is really organic
The problem back then you couldn't get anybody to fix the pedals if they broke. I would bring it to the old electrician guy and he would say what is that. So I would say nevermind and walk out. I would bring in a distortion pedal and he would say why do you want distortion. And again I would say nevermind.
Hahaha! 🤣
You couldn't even bring it back to the store because they didn't have anybody that could fix them either. The store guy would ask you did you drop it. It's a stompbox. I would say nevermind.
The original Small Stone was designed by David Cockerell. He also designed the classic EMS Synthi and VC3S synthesizers. I believe the original Small Stone was part of the Hi Fli effects unit that one sees David Gilmour using in the studio scenes of Live in Pompeii. Mike Matthews basically had Cockerell design a pedal version. Cockerell also designed the original Electric Mistress and 16 Second Digital Delay. I own both of these versions of the Small Stone, but slightly prefer the V3. Both are more interesting than a MXR Phase 90. Another cool OTA based phase shifter are the various models made by Ross(especially the purple colored Phaser Distortion-killer pedal).
Johan, you found some good spaceman "Fractured" clean tones on this one. Keep up the great comparisons and studio science videos.
AWK! \m/
The way they sound remind me of Boards Of Canada's Campfire Headphase. Love the way they sound!
Thanks!
Dude I LOVE that album!
Great pedals .great video as always from the king.
Thanks man :-)
love the original small stone, and original mxr phase 100.
The version 3 was my first pedal, 40 years ago. Bought a version 2 later on but it was in pretty fragile condition.
That V3 is gnarly. My kind of pedal, especially after my drive section.
Yeah it works great with more gain
👍cool, 70's vibe..i got one series 1 still use it from time to time
Thanks!
Love to see more pedals on your channel, in every shootout I prefer the older ehx pedals they just have a little more presence or airy quality to them
The ending is great but too short.)
I own version two and love it.😊🎸😎
I would love to hear v1 through a amp just starting to break up a little to add a little grit especially with the 50% settings at 6:37. I loved this video !
Version 1 i think is pretty organic to me! The Resonance, Less is more i guess. Depends on your Chain of course, but for clean sounds V1, maybe V3 for driven sound? Nice Sounds for sure.
Thanks! I preferred V1 a lot for all cleaner tones
Interesting comparison Johan! I noticed less feedback/resonance in V1 which is why it doesn’t sound as juicy. You’re right, different flavors but both nice to have!
Thanks Andy! Yeah V1 is very subtle on the top end but I think it’s more prominent in the mids to lower mids. Always glad to see your feedback! Cheers
you got the juice now
Version 3 seems to have a smoother, rounder transition between phase "changes", whilst I perceive more of a fade out of sorts in the 1st version. Both very likable and sonorous. Thanks, Johan. Saudações do Brasil.
Thanks André! Hälsningar från Sverige!
Both great pedals, the sweep range on the v1 is more my taste, both of them sound really good though. I always liked the sound of a phaser through a cranked Marshall, maybe next time :)
Thanks Roy! I do that here actually :-) th-cam.com/video/6LZiQ9t8Td4/w-d-xo.html
I used to own one of these, bought new around 1978, and I now realise that it was version 2. From what I remember, it was closer to version 3 than to version 1. It was a little noisy, and the higher end of the Rate control was all but unusable. Still a nice pedal, and a classic sound.
Wow this is amazing
Thanks for the well done comparisons Johann, and the majestic scenery from your homeland!
Do you feel the original suffers from a volume drop that the.version 3 may have solved?
To me version 3 sounded fuller and richer than 1.
Awesome demo. I love the nature videos a lot too! Did you record them too?
- Navid
I started playing guitar in 74. The version 2 was my first and only pedal for a few years, oh yeah that and a mxr distortion plus. That was my sound. I have an mxr Eddie Van Halen phaser now I love it.
I compare the V3 yo a Phase 90 here
th-cam.com/video/Ou3hhoq_CE4/w-d-xo.html
@@JohanSegeborn Thank you.
Ive always wanted a small stone.
I have one from 1979 and it’s great.
They both sound great to me. I owned the Version 3, and I stupidly got rid of it. Wish I had it back! There's a decent one in the HX Stomp, though.
Thanks!
I think the V1 actually creates a new instrument when you play through it. It sounds a little filtered even! The V2 is more of the actual effect on the instrument. I totally agree they sound similar for sure but they have a certain difference that makes you able to use these 2 in very different type of ways for your music.
For strumming I like more the 79, for single arpeggios/notes I like the older one more
Hi, Johan!
Version 3 40% is good! But 1 on 40% is not bad at all. I know this pedal, very nice. Pink Floyd used it, if I am not wrong. 100 is too much - my Korg is doing it well.:-) SEE YOU!
Zigfrid
Thanks man, yeah I think Shine on you crazy diamond features one. Cheers
nice comparison, Johan, funny you have 1 and 3 versions, I used to have version 2, which I believe sounds closer to the version 3. Version 1 sounds a little less intense in this comparison but still useful
Thanks Mark! Interesting I haven’t had the chance to play a Version 2 yet. Cheers!
@@JohanSegeborn wish I kept mine. It broke years ago and I sold it super cheap. The graphics and knob were different from the 3 from what I recall
It had orange letters on a steel background I think
@@JohanSegeborn that's right, orange letters, silver on top and black around the footswitch. I still have my early Electric Mistress Flanger ('78 version) and the LPB2 booster pedal (bigger version of the LPB1).
3:25 All Hail ! Mahavishnu Johan !! .... I wish I was there in that room to glow in that vibration ...
Version 1 sounds like it has a little less resonance going on. Both sound great though!
Thanks!
Hi Johan, if you get your hands on some vintage Small Clones, could you test them to see if is there any difference between the SAD1024 and MN3007 versions?
Check this video
th-cam.com/video/nHEbQtFSqiQ/w-d-xo.html
All these boxes had + or - 20 percent component tolerances as well as dying capacitors that are now out of spec…so there is that aspect too. Sometimes you get a lemon as a result.
the small stone v3 is less subtle and for my tastes it works not so well in guitars but great in synths ,, it has a harsher Mid scoop,,, the v1 is more like a Phase90 i guess
I think I like the original better, they both sound killer but the original just seems a little warmer to me.
V1 all the way. I bought one new in ‘74. Still have it. The v3 is dull.
Sounds more open than my phase 90, but neither is as good as my homemade rotating speaker...thanks for the vid.
Rotary speakers are cool indeed!
Believe it or not I used to use the original small Stone on my drum set. I would have my drums all miced
I have a Small Stone v2. I have only ever used it with a battery. I want to connect it to a power supply on a pedal board. The Electro Harmonix forum says it needs a 9vAC 100mA power supply with positive tip. I currently only have a Mooer 2.0Amp 9v output adapter. I have bought a Truetone 1Spot 3.5mm converter. Can that be plugged into the pedal and connected via daisy chain to the 9vDC supply or will that fry the pedal? Does it still need an AC power. I see the Truetone CS12 powersupply has an 800mA AC out along with all the DC outputs.
I'm clearly not an electrical wizard (good name for a pedal though) however I understand there is a risk and am nervous to plug the pedal into anything. I'm in the UK. Can anyone please advise?
As usual, the oldest one sounds the best. 😎
Thanks, yeah it does 😄
What kind of power do these take?
Which one do you want?
yes.
100% rate setting was 🤪
Did ya know ...........
The band KORN uses a small stone.
Love me some old korn dude.