Terrific video that succinctly shows the pros and cons. I love traditional gouache because it’s vibrant and dynamic. I have more control with gouache than watercolors and can do a bit of blending and streaking on the canvas instead of on the palette. One excellent quality is laying down gouache and add some glazing with watercolors.
Thanks for the kind comments and the good tips. I use gouache the same way and glaze with transparent watercolors. Learned much of what I know about Gouache from James Gurney.
Thank you for explaining this so well, to the point and not making the video so long. I was looking for straight answer on the difference between these 2 medium and you nailed it. Thanks.,
you can get some acrylic binder and mix a bit of it with traditional gouache, it works nice, and depending on the amount of binder (and water that you already had in the gouache), it might be fully or partially sealed when it dries
I thought so too until I saw a Jerry's Artarama video taking down Liquitex's 'acrylic gouache' - unlike other media, the formulation of acrylic gouache *really* varies brand by brand which is why it's such a confusing medium.
I also thought this until I tried Holbein Acryla Gouache. I agree with other commenters that a.) acrylic gouache formulations vary, and b.) Holbein actually offers a matte acrylic paint too, which is different from their acryla gouache. I was amazed at how the Holbein acryla gouache handles. It truly handles like traditional gouache, but, as mentioned in this video, it is fixed when dry, and it also won’t be prone to cracking if used thickly. But it is amazing just how smooth it is and how much you can water it down into a wash and still have even distribution of pigment (at least with non-granulating pigments) and there is no streakiness, no tackiness as it’s drying.
An excellent discussion, Marty. Like you said, years ago, these options just weren't available. I love the idea of acrylic gouache, especially in how permanent it becomes; however, I'm a traditionalist and I have always loved the way I could go back into a gouache sketch or painting and it will still reactivate days or even weeks later. Maybe not a lot, but enough that I can get some effects from the bottom layers. Thank you for this one! Great job and the painting is signature! ~ Mark
Hi Mark - Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to your message here. I agree with you that it's nice to be able to reactive the wc or gouache, but if I don't want to it's nice to have options. Hope you are staying well my friend. - My friend.
Spent 3 months now experimenting making my own paints. Main difference I’ve found? Acrylic is bound with acrylic polymer. Usually lab made, and waterproof. Gouache is basically watercolor with chalk and bound with gum arabic, which is water soluble.
@@owingsart you know, I’ve learned SO much more since I commented this. Now I’m back reading it again, and it’s like I’m seeing myself explaining how water is wet like I just invented relativity. And if I had to reply to my own comment? “Yep.” That’s really the only polite thing to say here. Lol. Thank you for being nice to me. 😂
norakag, here.. i think the companys' labeling it acryla gouache is about marketing .. it can be confusing , for sure.. i bought a few tubes of the acryla gouache, and just use them very thinned out ( as a wash), if i want to tone the paper , without worrying if the color will lift when i paint on top of it .. and yes, we have soooo many options these days.. it can be sensory overload for sure lol but what a nice " problem" to have 😬😬thanks, Marty !! Norakag 😃
3:01 you say acrylic gouache doesn't crack but I've found that Turner acrylic gouache does crack if you spread it on too thick and with too dry a brush. I use Holbein, Turner and Liquitex acrylic gouaches. The Japanese paints (Turner and Holbein) are amazingly smooth but I have issues with some of their pigment choices: PY3, PO13, etc. These are craft paint favourites, I expect better from professional brands!
Correct. If you trowel paint on to a surface it will almost always crack. Try it a little thinner next time. It’s okay to expect more. You are however talking about 2 pigments in a line with more than 100 colors I believe. Also, things can vary slightly from batch to batch, even with the worlds more consistent paints, like Schmincke. In this case though, I think both Turner and Holbein are excellent choices overall. If you want better you’ll almost always spend more.
@@owingsart the one that cracked was Turner Acrylic Gouache in a certain shade of green. The main reason it cracked seems to be that it got too dry, you have to keep dipping the brush in water. It's the one paint I have that says it needs dilution (2 parts paint to one of water). By the way some people claim that acrylic gouache is just matte acrylic paint, but it isn't, at least Turner and Holbein's versions aren't. I managed to tear a section of an unvarnished painting just by wiping it, this would never happen with normal acrylic paint which is quite tough.
@@ZadenZane Yes, you're right again about Holbein and Turner, at least that is my understanding as well. They aren't just matte acrylic paints but specifically developed as gouache. I've never actually seen where a company tells you to, "dilute", the paint, but 2 parts paint and 1 part water would make it thicker not thinner, correct? At any rate they make solid paints and I love that Holbein invests in creating better and different paints.
Now Im wondering if I should get regular gouache or acrylic gouache for painting faceups on dolls. The thing that gets me is the fast drying which I figured you can use a blending medium for acrylic gouache so it doesn't dry too fast. As long as the opaque is still there it's mostly what Im looking for and of course fixing any mistakes I'll make.
I have done some blending and I don't remember off hand if that helped, but you sort of pick your poison with these depending on the effect or outcome you want. Good luck!
Thanks for the explainer Marty and I loved the painting you were doing to demonstrate, I wish I was somewhere with a view of trees like that right now! Have a good week! :)
Thank you greatly! I just got the twelve-tube set of the 107 Holbein at a good discount. I look forward to learning to use it as well as experimenting with the handful of hacks I've seen mentioned around YT lately. Maybe as part of a mixed media collage. Should be fun for me seeing how it goes.
Does acrylic gouache dry 3D like acrylic paintings do, or like gouache paintings that are flat. I know it's matte, but when you run your finger over is it flat like gouache or a bit bumpy like acrylic?
Any idea how long does acrylic gouache stay open once out the tube,traditional gouache can rewet and normal acrylic hardens quite quickly apart from the longer lasting ones like interactive?
Since it dries like plastic, same as regular acrylic paint, it doesn't seem like it would be a good thing to use as an underpainting or page preparation before using watercolor or regular gouache. Wouldn't the water based medium just not stick to the plastic paint? Unlike Cassein which seems to work pretty well for James Gurney anyway.
Hey Marty, thanks for your video. I'm not really a gouache user. I have the arrtx gouache and daler rowney aquafine. What are your thoughts on Himi or arrtx gouache
Acryla is lovely, but it's not cheap (I knowTurner do one which is cheaper. Not sure if quality is as high as the Holbein). It'd be useful to see you do a comparison between Acryla gouache and plain old acrylics perhaps with a matt medium.
Honestly never use acrylics and although I never say never, I don't have any plans to use acrylic in the near future. It's taken me like 30 years to get half decent at a single medium.
I thought acrylic gouache was just matte acrylic paint and gouache was just thick watercolor paint, like watercolor straight out the tube. That's not right?
Acrylic paint will not be as flat or velvety as gouache. I'm not an acrylic painter, so probably best to check the internet on this, but I think my statement is fairly accurate.
Ha! No, the whole make up of this paint is different. It might be accurate to say that it's acrylic paint that dries flat and opaque and behaves in almost every respect the same as traditional gouache, except that it can't be re-activated.
Is there anything to watch out for when discarding water with acrylic gouache? I know that it's a concern with acrylic because dumping acrylic water down the drain is bad for the environment AFAIK
The only reason I use gouache instead of acrylic is because I can clean my brushes easily and if I’m outside and if they dry out, I don’t worry they’ll be destroyed. So why would I use acrylic gouache instead of acrylic?
Not really because it dries with a very pronounced matte finish and it can be re-wet if you soak it enough. Similar properties, but definitely not the same.
Terrific video that succinctly shows the pros and cons. I love traditional gouache because it’s vibrant and dynamic. I have more control with gouache than watercolors and can do a bit of blending and streaking on the canvas instead of on the palette. One excellent quality is laying down gouache and add some glazing with watercolors.
Thanks for the kind comments and the good tips. I use gouache the same way and glaze with transparent watercolors. Learned much of what I know about Gouache from James Gurney.
Thank you for explaining this so well, to the point and not making the video so long. I was looking for straight answer on the difference between these 2 medium and you nailed it. Thanks.,
@@YassDesignStudio Sure thing.
you can get some acrylic binder and mix a bit of it with traditional gouache, it works nice, and depending on the amount of binder (and water that you already had in the gouache), it might be fully or partially sealed when it dries
Good hack.
“Lascaux resoluble medium” is what I use to do the above hack. Also mixes well (and instantly, dependent on the pigment) with straight pigment powder.
Very informative and short. I love that and the painting you did.
Thanks Bobbi.
They should've named it matte acrylic rather than acrylic gouache, it would've spared so many headaches XD
Agreed.
I thought so too until I saw a Jerry's Artarama video taking down Liquitex's 'acrylic gouache' - unlike other media, the formulation of acrylic gouache *really* varies brand by brand which is why it's such a confusing medium.
Holbein makes a mat acrylic also.
I also thought this until I tried Holbein Acryla Gouache. I agree with other commenters that a.) acrylic gouache formulations vary, and b.) Holbein actually offers a matte acrylic paint too, which is different from their acryla gouache. I was amazed at how the Holbein acryla gouache handles. It truly handles like traditional gouache, but, as mentioned in this video, it is fixed when dry, and it also won’t be prone to cracking if used thickly. But it is amazing just how smooth it is and how much you can water it down into a wash and still have even distribution of pigment (at least with non-granulating pigments) and there is no streakiness, no tackiness as it’s drying.
Can we pour Holbein acryla gouache in a palette and reuse it ? @@Anonymoi
An excellent discussion, Marty. Like you said, years ago, these options just weren't available. I love the idea of acrylic gouache, especially in how permanent it becomes; however, I'm a traditionalist and I have always loved the way I could go back into a gouache sketch or painting and it will still reactivate days or even weeks later. Maybe not a lot, but enough that I can get some effects from the bottom layers. Thank you for this one! Great job and the painting is signature! ~ Mark
Hi Mark - Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to your message here. I agree with you that it's nice to be able to reactive the wc or gouache, but if I don't want to it's nice to have options. Hope you are staying well my friend. - My friend.
Spent 3 months now experimenting making my own paints. Main difference I’ve found? Acrylic is bound with acrylic polymer. Usually lab made, and waterproof. Gouache is basically watercolor with chalk and bound with gum arabic, which is water soluble.
well chemically speaking yeah ig you're right. gouache is opaque watercolor, acrylic is a plastic chemical abomination lol.
Yep.
@@owingsart you know, I’ve learned SO much more since I commented this. Now I’m back reading it again, and it’s like I’m seeing myself explaining how water is wet like I just invented relativity. And if I had to reply to my own comment? “Yep.” That’s really the only polite thing to say here. Lol. Thank you for being nice to me. 😂
norakag, here.. i think the companys' labeling it acryla gouache is about marketing .. it can be confusing , for sure.. i bought a few tubes of the acryla gouache, and just use them very thinned out ( as a wash), if i want to tone the paper , without worrying if the color will lift when i paint on top of it .. and yes, we have soooo many options these days.. it can be sensory overload for sure lol but what a nice " problem" to have 😬😬thanks, Marty !! Norakag 😃
I totally agree!
3:01 you say acrylic gouache doesn't crack but I've found that Turner acrylic gouache does crack if you spread it on too thick and with too dry a brush. I use Holbein, Turner and Liquitex acrylic gouaches. The Japanese paints (Turner and Holbein) are amazingly smooth but I have issues with some of their pigment choices: PY3, PO13, etc. These are craft paint favourites, I expect better from professional brands!
Correct. If you trowel paint on to a surface it will almost always crack. Try it a little thinner next time. It’s okay to expect more. You are however talking about 2 pigments in a line with more than 100 colors I believe. Also, things can vary slightly from batch to batch, even with the worlds more consistent paints, like Schmincke. In this case though, I think both Turner and Holbein are excellent choices overall. If you want better you’ll almost always spend more.
@@owingsart the one that cracked was Turner Acrylic Gouache in a certain shade of green. The main reason it cracked seems to be that it got too dry, you have to keep dipping the brush in water. It's the one paint I have that says it needs dilution (2 parts paint to one of water). By the way some people claim that acrylic gouache is just matte acrylic paint, but it isn't, at least Turner and Holbein's versions aren't. I managed to tear a section of an unvarnished painting just by wiping it, this would never happen with normal acrylic paint which is quite tough.
@@ZadenZane Yes, you're right again about Holbein and Turner, at least that is my understanding as well. They aren't just matte acrylic paints but specifically developed as gouache. I've never actually seen where a company tells you to, "dilute", the paint, but 2 parts paint and 1 part water would make it thicker not thinner, correct? At any rate they make solid paints and I love that Holbein invests in creating better and different paints.
Best short explanation video 🎉
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for showing the fifference.
Now Im wondering if I should get regular gouache or acrylic gouache for painting faceups on dolls.
The thing that gets me is the fast drying which I figured you can use a blending medium for acrylic gouache so it doesn't dry too fast. As long as the opaque is still there it's mostly what Im looking for and of course fixing any mistakes I'll make.
I have done some blending and I don't remember off hand if that helped, but you sort of pick your poison with these depending on the effect or outcome you want. Good luck!
Thanks for the explainer Marty and I loved the painting you were doing to demonstrate, I wish I was somewhere with a view of trees like that right now!
Have a good week! :)
Hey thanks a ton Annie. Much appreciated. Are in the city?
Beautiful colors!
Thanks Marty! Always informative 👍
Thank you greatly! I just got the twelve-tube set of the 107 Holbein at a good discount. I look forward to learning to use it as well as experimenting with the handful of hacks I've seen mentioned around YT lately. Maybe as part of a mixed media collage. Should be fun for me seeing how it goes.
You definitely scored. How did your collage come out?
Can you share a good brand for 'traditional' Gouache?
I wanna ask if these acrylic gouache can be a great refill for posca pens? I mean the ink of posca markers are matte, despite being acrylic-based...
Not sure.
Does acrylic gouache dry 3D like acrylic paintings do, or like gouache paintings that are flat. I know it's matte, but when you run your finger over is it flat like gouache or a bit bumpy like acrylic?
They can be used like that get a slight impasto look if you use larger amounts and it's thick, however you may want to try Casein for that.
Any idea how long does acrylic gouache stay open once out the tube,traditional gouache can rewet and normal acrylic hardens quite quickly apart from the longer lasting ones like interactive?
Marty what’s the difference between acrylic gouche and acrylic paint then?
Watch the video he explains everything.
Very informative thank you.
Since it dries like plastic, same as regular acrylic paint, it doesn't seem like it would be a good thing to use as an underpainting or page preparation before using watercolor or regular gouache. Wouldn't the water based medium just not stick to the plastic paint? Unlike Cassein which seems to work pretty well for James Gurney anyway.
How do you know which is which by looking at your tubes? Acrylic vs Traditional?
usually it's stated on the tubes
also seems like the tube size is much larger for the new stuff, maybe because you need to/or can use more paint for the textures and stuff
Hey Marty, thanks for your video. I'm not really a gouache user. I have the arrtx gouache and daler rowney aquafine. What are your thoughts on Himi or arrtx gouache
Hi there Dawn - I haven't used either one of those brands, but I think the Daler Rowney would be a student grade. Worth giving them a try thought.
Acryla is lovely, but it's not cheap (I knowTurner do one which is cheaper. Not sure if quality is as high as the Holbein). It'd be useful to see you do a comparison between Acryla gouache and plain old acrylics perhaps with a matt medium.
Honestly never use acrylics and although I never say never, I don't have any plans to use acrylic in the near future. It's taken me like 30 years to get half decent at a single medium.
Turner gouache is mostly fugitive.
Great comparison Marty! 😊
Thanks Shannon. Hope you are doing great my friend.
@@owingsart I am Marty! Hope you’re doing okay. 😊
Thanks for this, very helpful
Thank you!
I thought acrylic gouache was just matte acrylic paint and gouache was just thick watercolor paint, like watercolor straight out the tube. That's not right?
These are slightly different from standard acrylic paints.
so whats the difference between acrylic and acrylic gouache?
Acrylic paint will not be as flat or velvety as gouache. I'm not an acrylic painter, so probably best to check the internet on this, but I think my statement is fairly accurate.
is acrylic gouache just regular acrylic paint in a small tube?
Ha! No, the whole make up of this paint is different. It might be accurate to say that it's acrylic paint that dries flat and opaque and behaves in almost every respect the same as traditional gouache, except that it can't be re-activated.
Good share 👍
Cool
Thanks!
So, Marty...what's the difference between "acrylic gouache" and regular acrylic paint?
Hi Bonnie - You’ll have to watch the video! 😀
Acrylic gouache is essentially acrylic paint with a matte finish.
Bonnie, acrylic gouache is essentially acrylic paint with a matte finish.
Is there anything to watch out for when discarding water with acrylic gouache? I know that it's a concern with acrylic because dumping acrylic water down the drain is bad for the environment AFAIK
I am careful to recycle my paint at the drop off center for the most part.
Thanks Marty
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The only reason I use gouache instead of acrylic is because I can clean my brushes easily and if I’m outside and if they dry out, I don’t worry they’ll be destroyed. So why would I use acrylic gouache instead of acrylic?
It cleans up exactly like regular gouache.
Holbein makes a mat acrylic in addition to acrylic gouache.
Good to know that.
It just seems to be a matte acrylic.
Mostly, but it just it seems to reactivate if you scrub enough,
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So it's just acrylic paint😅😅😅😅
Not really because it dries with a very pronounced matte finish and it can be re-wet if you soak it enough. Similar properties, but definitely not the same.