Excellent series on the Portuguese. Just discovered you guys a few days ago. You asked on the 3rd episode how the Portuguese feel about their colonial past. I can tell you most Portuguese are very proud. It’s a sense of pride. A small country conquering half the world at one time. The slaves yes today it’s something we can all agree on that it was wrong. But back then it was considered normal. It was necessary to keep the machine going. Some people don’t realize is that the Africans were raiding their own country and taking slaves and selling them to the Portuguese. It wasn’t only a European problem. Great podcast. Can’t wait to hear more episodes. Obrigado
As a portuguese who is fascinated by history and particularly to my countries own history I can tell that overall this is a great series about portuguese history. On the matter of racism, despite what some people might want to assume, Salazar and the Estado Novo regime was in fact anti-racist. The idea was that Portugal was a pluri-ethnical and pluricontinental country and everyone that was born on portuguese land ( including Africa of course) was a Portuguese citizen with the same rights despite their race. In fact, in the sixties there was a black women, Sincletica Torres, in parliament representing Angola (and many more people of different ethnicities, black, Indian, etc)
Oi, sou brasileiro. O que você achou quando o Domenic disse que os portugueses tinham saudade do Brasil e lamentaram sua perda? É preciso? Senti que faltou mencionar a emigração portuguesa ao Brasil, de uma certa maneira os povos e os países nunca se separaram completamente.
@@miguelmarques4583 Acho que o Homem comum não pensa nessas coisas, mas antigamente faz sentido que sim, tinha acabado de acontecer, perder um colónia que era importantíssima, com tanta riqueza e potencial... Continuamos a estar ligados para a eternidade mas não como regentes, como iguais agora.
I wonder if Evelyn Waugh was an admirer of Salazar? - he hated fascism because it was too Modern/Revolutionary but seemed to have a lot in common with Salazar
Regarding Fátima, it must be said that the official chronology has been totally manipulated/fabricated over a decade later, during the military dictatorship that overthrew the First Republic. In 1917, during the so-called "apparitions", none of the children mentioned any Angel (not Archangel Michael, but what later described as "the Angel of Portugal") appearing to them previously. According to them, the first supernatural apparition they witnessed was that of a Lady, and it had occurred on 13th May 1917. The first time any angel was mentioned was when the only surviving shepherd, Lúcia, then a secluded nun, published her account of the events - and that book was only published in *1931.* In that book she tells that, actually, one year before the first apparition of the Lady - so, May 1916 - the "Angel of Portugal" appear to them and proclaimed that Portugal would return to the right path (i.e., no more anticlerical governments). It's also only then (1931) that for the first time the "conversion of Russia" is mentioned. So, basically, what happened was that, long after the fact, the Catholic Church and the Portuguese government (then already under Salazar) went on to tweak the story to fit their goals. The "Angel of Portugal" was invented, and predated to 1916, to show up a conveniently round number of years prior to the coup that overthrew the First Republic (May 1926), a clear sign of divine approval of said coup. And mentions of Russia were also inserted because, by then, over a decade had passed since the Russian Revolution: easy "prophecy"...
like myself many Portuguese weren't even aware such vote took place, then again at that time we were having votes for every kind of thing best castle best beach best village best food etc it came to light recently because a Kayak racer, who recently won a medal in the European Championship, shared his support for Salazar and said he would have not won 1st if more people did not like him the reality however is different, it was simply a case of those who revere Salazar caring enough to vote while the majority of the Portuguese did not care I am 100% sure that instead of a vote to the best Portuguese of all time, which I believe it would be divided between our 1st King and Prince Henry the Navigator, but about voting for the worst Portuguese of all time the number of total votes would probably double or triple, particularly if many politicians make it to the final vote
At the time, people were saying how great it would be to have a dictator win just to troll those TV programs. I guess it worked a bit too well as now the international community thinks that was a legit pooling and use it to describe Salazar as likable
As for Fatima, apparently one of the children actually speaks about Russia . These are children who never went to school, could nit read and didn't have any geography lessons...
Re Antonio Salazar. it's interesting that he doesn't restore the monarchy certainly in the fifties or sixties. so that Portugal has a bridge to the future . The fall of the monarchy in 1908. occurred because the king and the crown prince were shot in the street in. a murky plot and republicans staged a coup against the traumatised younger son. Ushering in fifteen years of turmoil. So it wasn't a popular decision. Salazar might reason that kings can be more dangerous. to dictators . Victor Emmanuel sacks Mussolini as does King Michael of Romania when he got the chance. Interesting mention of the great Otto von Hapsburg . Hitler hated the overarching Hapsburg monarchy , but he had much reason to kill Otto. Because Otto actively strove to prevent the Nazi takeover of Austria. Other members of the Hapsburg family did end up in concentration camps examples being the two sons of Franz Ferdinand . In Spain the restoration of the monarchy is the bridge to liberal democracy thus avoiding a chaotic coup , which has terrible consequences especially in Portugal's colonial empire. Salazar and Franco are regulated mis-labelled "fascist " . They are deeply conservative dictators so hard right . Fascism is on the "progressive spectrum ' Both neutralised and marginalised fascists, although Franco played with the symbolism of it.
Excellent series on Portugal 🇵🇹 - the most epic little country on the planet. Chapaeu!
Really enjoying this series on Portugal, love your guys' style of relaying history.
Excellent series on the Portuguese. Just discovered you guys a few days ago.
You asked on the 3rd episode how the Portuguese feel about their colonial past. I can tell you most Portuguese are very proud. It’s a sense of pride. A small country conquering half the world at one time. The slaves yes today it’s something we can all agree on that it was wrong. But back then it was considered normal. It was necessary to keep the machine going. Some people don’t realize is that the Africans were raiding their own country and taking slaves and selling them to the Portuguese. It wasn’t only a European problem.
Great podcast. Can’t wait to hear more episodes. Obrigado
~ "Portugal: un pequeño país, con una gran historia,,," ❤
As a portuguese who is fascinated by history and particularly to my countries own history I can tell that overall this is a great series about portuguese history. On the matter of racism, despite what some people might want to assume, Salazar and the Estado Novo regime was in fact anti-racist. The idea was that Portugal was a pluri-ethnical and pluricontinental country and everyone that was born on portuguese land ( including Africa of course) was a Portuguese citizen with the same rights despite their race. In fact, in the sixties there was a black women, Sincletica Torres, in parliament representing Angola (and many more people of different ethnicities, black, Indian, etc)
Oi, sou brasileiro. O que você achou quando o Domenic disse que os portugueses tinham saudade do Brasil e lamentaram sua perda? É preciso? Senti que faltou mencionar a emigração portuguesa ao Brasil, de uma certa maneira os povos e os países nunca se separaram completamente.
@@miguelmarques4583 Acho que o Homem comum não pensa nessas coisas, mas antigamente faz sentido que sim, tinha acabado de acontecer, perder um colónia que era importantíssima, com tanta riqueza e potencial... Continuamos a estar ligados para a eternidade mas não como regentes, como iguais agora.
I wonder if Evelyn Waugh was an admirer of Salazar? - he hated fascism because it was too Modern/Revolutionary but seemed to have a lot in common with Salazar
Regarding Fátima, it must be said that the official chronology has been totally manipulated/fabricated over a decade later, during the military dictatorship that overthrew the First Republic.
In 1917, during the so-called "apparitions", none of the children mentioned any Angel (not Archangel Michael, but what later described as "the Angel of Portugal") appearing to them previously. According to them, the first supernatural apparition they witnessed was that of a Lady, and it had occurred on 13th May 1917.
The first time any angel was mentioned was when the only surviving shepherd, Lúcia, then a secluded nun, published her account of the events - and that book was only published in *1931.* In that book she tells that, actually, one year before the first apparition of the Lady - so, May 1916 - the "Angel of Portugal" appear to them and proclaimed that Portugal would return to the right path (i.e., no more anticlerical governments). It's also only then (1931) that for the first time the "conversion of Russia" is mentioned.
So, basically, what happened was that, long after the fact, the Catholic Church and the Portuguese government (then already under Salazar) went on to tweak the story to fit their goals.
The "Angel of Portugal" was invented, and predated to 1916, to show up a conveniently round number of years prior to the coup that overthrew the First Republic (May 1926), a clear sign of divine approval of said coup. And mentions of Russia were also inserted because, by then, over a decade had passed since the Russian Revolution: easy "prophecy"...
Yes this is superb, despite how I dissaprove of Tom's inability to shut up and let other's speak
Not to single you out but it seems like every episode there is a sort of catty backhanded compliment lol.
Not entirely unnecessary but nearly.
like myself many Portuguese weren't even aware such vote took place, then again at that time we were having votes for every kind of thing
best castle
best beach
best village
best food
etc
it came to light recently because a Kayak racer, who recently won a medal in the European Championship, shared his support for Salazar and said he would have not won 1st if more people did not like him
the reality however is different, it was simply a case of those who revere Salazar caring enough to vote while the majority of the Portuguese did not care
I am 100% sure that instead of a vote to the best Portuguese of all time, which I believe it would be divided between our 1st King and Prince Henry the Navigator, but about voting for the worst Portuguese of all time the number of total votes would probably double or triple, particularly if many politicians make it to the final vote
At the time, people were saying how great it would be to have a dictator win just to troll those TV programs. I guess it worked a bit too well as now the international community thinks that was a legit pooling and use it to describe Salazar as likable
Guys you should've mentioned the war for the portuguese throne between D.Pedro and his brother Miguel.
As for Fatima, apparently one of the children actually speaks about Russia . These are children who never went to school, could nit read and didn't have any geography lessons...
Salazar was a saint intemerata viri
Antonio Salad bar. Don't worry I'll see myself out
Re Antonio Salazar. it's interesting that he doesn't restore the monarchy certainly in the fifties or sixties. so that Portugal has a bridge to the future . The fall of the monarchy in 1908. occurred because the king and the crown prince were shot in the street in. a murky plot and republicans staged a coup against the traumatised younger son. Ushering in fifteen years of turmoil. So it wasn't a popular decision.
Salazar might reason that kings can be more dangerous. to dictators . Victor Emmanuel sacks Mussolini as does King Michael of Romania when he got the chance.
Interesting mention of the great Otto von Hapsburg . Hitler hated the overarching Hapsburg monarchy , but he had much reason to kill Otto. Because Otto actively strove to prevent the Nazi takeover of Austria. Other members of the Hapsburg family did end up in concentration camps examples being the two sons of Franz Ferdinand .
In Spain the restoration of the monarchy is the bridge to liberal democracy thus avoiding a chaotic coup , which has terrible consequences especially in Portugal's colonial empire.
Salazar and Franco are regulated mis-labelled "fascist " . They are deeply conservative dictators so hard right . Fascism is on the "progressive spectrum ' Both neutralised and marginalised fascists, although Franco played with the symbolism of it.
@18:45. Once again a more or less gratuitous reference to Tolkein. Why doesn't Tolkein just @#$% off ?
Showing YOUR AGEISM AGAIN