Yeah this was very helpful indeed , one of the adds when fighting the boss has the ability to remove the unkillable buff ... so having 200+ resist will stop this
Got him at 200 speed and fully booked (books landed poorly), lev50, and he died in brutal campaign. But he works on manual. What a drag. Am I doing something wrong? Anyways, his sole goal is finishing nightmare campaign, so I'll manage.
Paragon was my first Void pull ever! He was super tasty, and I've been burping regret ever since. Never seen a 2nd one out of probably 150 void shards...
I think Plarium changed the AI. Once my Paragon reaches zero health the spiderlings change target to Coldheart. Paragon's level is topped at 30 with way lower def and HP.
Thanks 🙏 mate, this video has been a life saver for me. Paragon helped me finish nm campaign and took me to spider 20 where I was struggling massively.
Wow, I was struggling in Spider 19 with Tayrel, Apothecary, Coldheart, Psylar and Sinesha. Off comes Sinesha, In comes Paragon (level 30! Needed 4 books), now I can easily manual level 19 in just over 4 minutes AND level 20 in just over 6 minutes, which is not that bad! Thanks, Paragon! Thanks a lot, Hell Hades!
@@vjs2530 For me, they go for Parafon all the time. But maybe because all the other champs have way more max life than him. My Paragon is level 30 only.
thanks for that ! I'll go with soulbond A1 and her crit + ignore defense, or Kael. Don't have much more choices for 3 stars sadly. Great vid thank you again
Wow I was lucky I had him in the vault I geared him correctly like your video and advice. I was stuck on stage 17 spider. I just done 17,18,19 and 20 one after the other. Thank you so much
HH its funny you bring this up because I've been running into Paragon in faction wars and he always just hijacks my game with unkillable lol I thought the game was bugged :p might try this out lol
Yeah, I looked him up after having the endless loop of this fool at 1 hp while my party smacks at him forever. Now I just target him before he gets it up.
For anyone who wonders why it isn't working for you, it is because you are using other affinities.. It is super easy for him to do it when he is all void, but spiderlings attack a lot more randomly.. It is hard to get it working unless you can use all void. No one seems to like to explain how to actually do it properly, probably because it is a lot less appealing.
I tried this strategy on spiders 19, so far no matter what champs i replace they will always go after my damage dealers then they go for paragon. first 2 spiderlings go after paragon then the rest will go after my CHs or any other champ i replaced her with.
You need the same affinity. Like your whole team needs to be magic if your on 16 so it’s positive affinity and they will go after the paragon. It’s dumb but that how you need to do it. Or all voids.
Same here. I tried Paragon as lead on Spider 19, with rest of team made up of either Void, or Force affinity (same affinity as spiders). The first two spiderlings go for Paragon, then the rest started attaching my Rhazin till he died, and then my CHs. Never touched Paragon thereafter. Paragon was in lead, and only had 18.3K health. Next lowest HP teammate is Rhazin with 37.6K hp. Tried with an entire team of Voids as well, didn't work. Will try team of Spirit (positive) affinity teammates to see if that helps any...
It worked for me, I've been on lvl 19 and just got Paragon today, used it without books but with reflex gear, a reviver (Duchess), Artak, Armiger and Deacon. Though i used a reviver the sp continued to attack paragon, he only died once when the reflex set didn't proc and i got him back by revive to finish up the spider.
Maybe plarium changed the spiderling AI? I am stuck and wanted to use this tactic to push a level, but the spiderlings stop targeting the paragon once he is low on health.
I've kitted my Paragon the minimal way you've described (low hp, with a bit of accuracy, speed and resistance), but the spiders are not targeting him first. Instead they're taking out my Tayrel, then my Coldheart, and then my Royal Guard on Spider 18 before going for Paragon. What am I doing wrong? Any help much appreciated.
Maybe it is because of the affinity, also if tayrel is in the lead he is more likely than the rest to get hit. Try paragon with just spd and resistance and see if it works out
I can tell you guys, for certain, the little spiders doesn't go after the champ with the lowest HP. Right now, They go after my 60 Kael every-single time. I pulled my Paragon a few days before this video released. He is 40. only ascended 3/4 stars. Fully booked. 111 accu. So not quite 139 accu or how HH had his accu.... all my champs I use range 25khp-55khp except Paragon which is only 13k.hp. Don't know why it isn't working for me. I don't think it is speed related, dmg related; Power rating nor accuracy related. This video proves it, however there is definitely a threat meter. I don't know why my my threat is Kael and not Paragon. I know there is something to this vid. No matter how I build my Allure it seems, All the mobs go after her. Even if I sacrafice crit R. and Crit D. stats to raise Resist, HP and Def. Stage 13 Fire knight, only if I am lucky will allure make it to round 3 and even then she dies early on. Does Paragon need to be under 10k hp??
@@Sakshesh I am certain it was because he demo'd it on his affinity cup account. All of HH's champions were void champs. And since void champs exist outside the Magic to Spirit to Force affinities, spider doesn't take affinity into account. Even then, I still can't say certainly hp is a factor. After, I believe, really understanding how HP Burn through Trial and Error, with or without Paragon, you still want to play manually. You want HP Burn debuff on everyone and you want it to last as long as possible. Right before spider consumes spiderlings. So first, I attacked from the get go with Kael and he goes 2nd after High Khatun on my team. After that, all the spiderlings go after Kael no matter what. But if I wait and cycle through my team first... And get everyone shield and Def and speed and ally protect up, waiting until Spider consume spiderlings, then I can HP burn all spiderlings and spider. Spider then goes through two long turns. I don't kill spiderlings. But when I do this, spiderlings focus on High Khatun and then Kael. When they are both dead, Spider's HP is only 1/4th of it's Max HP. Then 60 Miscreated Monster, Tyrant and Paragon are left. This is when the cheese started working for me. But the spiderlings still won't stay on paragon.
Really like the idea of this for getting me through the nightmare campaign. Just went to have a look at my dark elf index for paragon. To see if I have one. Just my luck its the only dark elf I've never pulled. Great.
The spiderlings are targeting my other champs when i use the unkillable although they are negative affinity to them and paragon has the lowest hp of everyone. Did they patch it?
@@archibaldpaoma try bringing down paragon's spd to just above 170, make him the slowest in your team, and give him as low def as possible, maybe that way you get the spiderlings to target him
I kind of take what I said back. So... I JUST maxed out my Miscreated Monster last night. My only Legend is 50 Tyrant Ixlimor. Then 60 Kael (in lifesteal gear) and 50 High Khatun as leader. THEN the Paragon Cheese. But this needs Tyrant's A2 booked 4 out of 5 so that HP Burn is at 100% chance. 5/5 just makes the A2 a 4-turn cooldown. Isn't necessary, It just makes the abilitly available more often so timing when to use it is easier. Full mastery doesn't hurt either. But again, I doubt it is necessary. But the spiderlings don't stay on Paragon. But when Kael and high Khatun dies, Paragon is there and ready to take up any slack that is available. Don't know if setup will work for the next Force Affinity spider however (Stage 15 I think?). I more than likely need better gear/masteries and the such. But I did make some progress. Thank you Hell Hades.
Finally!!! Been waiting for a good explanation of this strat. Is there a particular reason why your Paragon is built out to 40, or can you use him at 30?
This got me from 15 spider to 20 spider in a matter of minutes. all i needed was for ultimate galek to not die and cast his HP burn twice, this method got me there, just wish i could auto lol.
Doesn't the buff/cooldown work off of the champs turns? Wouldn't it make more sense to make him as slow as possible while being quick enough to get his first turn before the first enemy on the wave?
did you try him in lead position? and did you work out the affinity? someone mentioned something about defense buffs.. but i don't believe that's needed far as i know. Anyway.. i'm going to book mine, and try it soon too.
@@cryptfire3158 I tried an exact copy of the team, id didnt work. Now i run s20 with sicia, Miscreated,... That works in 9 of 10 times really good. Good luck to you!
Regarding Paragon in the Arena. On occasion you will see one in the Arena. For Madness challenge it with your own Paragon. For a quick win. Send in Mystic Hand.
That could’ve been mine. I’ve been using the solo Paragon in Arena comp occasionally just for the lulz since around April last year. Jacked up on Speed+Resist rolls and nothing else :))
I suggest Paragaon with reflex set. So you don't have to worry about his A2 still going on cooldown during the start of the next round. That's where he usually get killed when you don't time his hits.
Did they fix/stop this? I just tried it on spider and they attacked my Mordecai first. Is it a gear thing (my Mordecai wasn't well geared, was just testing) or does it simply not work anymore?
ive heard about the paragon cheese fer quite some time now but ive lvld him to 50, fully ascended, put fair perception gear in him and cant even get him to work anywhere, i must be doing something wrong, im strugglin in 3 starring NM campaign. ive used him with toragi, rathalos, aphidus, and kael (rath and kael being in lifesteal), but nothing seems to work. ive even tried soloing bommal to no avail.
HH, ive tried to use paragon to clear spider 19, full manual, same build, but the spiderlings will target other champs and so this strategy doesn't always work FYI.
@@HellHades I wish it worked for me, I have lyssandra, tomb lord and a level 40 armiger. They go for armiger who has higher hp tried CH and they went for her, she is level 60
this doesnt seem to work for me anymore, i have paragon as leader, the rest are all void affinity. 2x cold heart, 1x bellower and 1xfellhound. When i do the unkillable the first spiderling attacks paragon, after that they all sorta go for random attacks, some go for coldheart, some go for bellower etc. Have they fixed this cheese?
@@cryptfire3158 Your non-Paragon champions need at least 3x more hp than Paragon. This fixed it for me. Apparently if you have an unkillable buff on a champion, the Spiderlings see that Champion as having 3x the hp. So if your Paragon has 8k hp, all other champions must have at least 25k hp and they will not be targeted by spiderlings.
you still recommend him to have approximately 10times speed as the boss level even against spider? or what are the numbers here? :D i dont have him booked so far, its only question for the future
This doesn't work even if you have paragon as leader with an all void team with higher health. Some of the spiders will eventually stop targeting him and target everyone else
That is such a funny way of talking about paragon. You need enough speed to get back to unkillable? no xD, as long as you get that first turn before anything, you can have as low speed as possible. The unkillable doesn't disappear, even if his speed goes to 0 :P. While you have to be present, you can do this a TON faster, if you auto and keep an eye on when it is paragons turn every second time. The strat works, but it's poorly optimized :P get yourself together past HH :D
thanks HellHades great video as always. What kit and speed are your other champs? I’m still unable to complete Spider 15 even with this strategy. I have a reasonable mastery level on the champs and reasonable hall skills level mostly L5 with higher accuracy.
I have no idea how to do it. The spiderlings don't attack my paragon. The attack all the other caracter bou not him. and he is 4 star with spped gear and he has the lowest HP and def
How come when I do this it works 50 50. They sometimes decide to stop attacking paragon around half way through the fight and go after my cold heart. My paragon is the lowest hp. He only has speed boots and an acc chest with speed sub stats . That way he can maybe land some of his a1 turn meter manipulation.
@John Litchfield yeah I tried making him lead or putting him on the same side as in video. He has the lowest hp for sure and yeah the spiderlings usually wise up half way through the fight and leave him alone lol. Yeah he'll never die but he also will never finish the fight alone LOL.
Does this still work? I had heard that there was a patch that hindered him. Holy crap over 9mins just to kill this spider? This spider boss has me stuck at stage 8, but I have enough books to max paragon now. But I also have rector, scyl of drakes, and Umbral (but they arent maxed in skills)... but for actual dmg i use Stag knight, Belanor, Abbess, Staltus Dragonbane. But I had been using doom preist to remove the poisons.. and for a little health and increase atk. But those damn little spiders always get me.
Correct if I m wrong HH, when we lv up the champ in star, does the champion gets the SPD up as well? If not, for paragon can star joining the spider team lv1 with gears.
At stage 14. The team is all affinity. Madame Serries, Bellower, Coldheart, Lua and Paragon with the lower HP(8045), speed 170 but the big mamma spider is targeting Paragon as well other member of the team. How I make it works that is targeting only him? I also book him the skill Damage Control to level 3. Any idea?
i cannot get this to work against spider 15 (still red), my paragon has 190acc, 183speed, 7k hp.. i can put 2 armigers in the group but if i put a coldheart in there, or apo, or royal guard, which all have higher defence and HP, the spiderlings attack them first, they can be buffless or buffed, doesnt make a difference, the spiderlings will go for them first.. also mid fight the spiderlings can suddenly start targetting my armigers instead of paragon for no apperent reason, maybe you got an idea whats going on?
Has this been nerfed? I finally got enough rare skill books to get my paragon's unkillable booked out. But when I try the nightmare campaign, he is not taking the hits. The other unit is the one taking the hits even though he has half as much hp.
Are you the correct affinity? Keep in mind they will attack the weak affinity first always. And then choose the lowest hp amongst the weak affinity. Make sure you only bring either the same affinity as the enemy or strong affinity.
For some reason the Paragon method does not always work for me. The spider lings do not always target him. I'm running manual, placing UK on him but for some reason spiderlings target other hero's, he is level 30 all others are lvl60. What am I doing wrong?
hi mate ! i dont want to be rude but as you are a big in this can you tell me is you know any ones that buy account ? like for review or for start playing and have already good heroes and dont want to spend to much money ?
Spiders 15 does not work for me with this comp. Starts out find on manual, but after 4 or 5 turns, spiders change focus to my Apothecary instead of Paragon, any suggestions? My comp is Tayrel, Misc Monster, Zarg, Sinesha...tried with other hero's, but changes focus throughout the fight to focus Apoth. All hero's @ 60, w/ good gear, Paragon level 40 with similar stats Hell Hades is running. Any Suggestions?
i cannot get this to work... i have paragon lvl 36 and booked but after he has he's placed the unkillable buff 2 spiderlings will attack him and the rest will change target to my Armiger who has more HP when Armiger dies then they will attack some other hero with tons more hp makes no sense if they go after the one with lowest HP, I am on spider 9 Void, my team do not get any buffs other than speed from Apo. so since this is a year old video is this still working except for me or they Plarium do something :) please do it again
Could you please try this again and see if it’s patched? It’s not working for me and I see it hasn’t been working for other people these past couple days either. Stars off fine but after Paragon uses UK the spiders will attack him once and switch targets. Please let us know if this is patched!
I’ve tried this strategy with my Paragon that has the same stats. Paragon takes two turns after buffing himself which causes him to lose his unkillable buff and then dies before he can reapply it to himself. Am I missing something?
I pulled paragon in the last event and I've seen a video of him being used in spider 20 with 4 armigers. I think it was scratch47, brilliant! Can you tell me about the curing gear, does it add 10% to all heals? I have a lot of curing gear that's 5* but unsure on how it actually works
Curing gear is generally regarded as trash. It doesn't just add 10% extra healing. It's multiplicative. Meaning if you have a skill that does a 25% heal, it adds 10% of 25 or 2.5% more healing. So all totaled that 25% is now 27.5%. Yay, so much extra!.../s All healing extras are multiplicative in the same way (skill upgrades for example) unless specifically stated otherwise. None are stated otherwise that I can think of atm. Hope this helps.
I've tried this and the my other character keeps getting attacked (not just counter attacks and Paragon in min health) and when I do win the fight it doesn't 3 star. Maybe Plarium found out there was an easy way to do this so they're dicking us around?
I'm finding the same on spider 15. It works at the beginning, but by the time i get it down to 75% health, the all jump on my coldheart, and kill her, then move on to my maneater and lightsworn, completely ignoring the paragon
I just tried this too, doesn't seem to work. They target my Paragon at first, cause he's got the lowest HP, but once he's at 1hp, the spiderlings happily target someone else. Did they patch this recently? I'm so happy that I spent all my rare books on this guy TT_________TT
just curious.. can we do like spidie 25 with it? Would seem crazy for my (still early) account to be doing doing spider 24 farm with 2 armigers and a paragon. For some reason i feel like it won't work, even though i can't see why it wouldn't.
I saw a somewhat similar vid someone else did before. It featured Paragon and Renegade with Coldheart and whoever else in spider 20. Unfortunately I can't remember who it was 😦. Anyways, if you put paragon as the leader I believe they found he would target himself for the buffs. But it might have only been for the first turn. I don't recall for sure. Worth a test I would imagine. I would test it myself but alas I accidentally fed mine off a while back and haven't seen another since😭😭
To all who wants to use this strategy in 12-7 nightmare campaign, to safely tank the last stage, give your paragon at least 172 speed and 200 resist.
Thanks. Can he be used for 9-4 and 9-5 as well (with all the valkries)? Those are the other two stages I have yet to 3 star.
I just did this strat with him at 169 speed and no resist whatsoever. 8k life paired with an altan made for clanboss. Worked out perfectly in 1 try
Yeah this was very helpful indeed , one of the adds when fighting the boss has the ability to remove the unkillable buff ... so having 200+ resist will stop this
Do this way works now or not
Got him at 200 speed and fully booked (books landed poorly), lev50, and he died in brutal campaign. But he works on manual. What a drag. Am I doing something wrong? Anyways, his sole goal is finishing nightmare campaign, so I'll manage.
Paragon was my first Void pull ever! He was super tasty, and I've been burping regret ever since. Never seen a 2nd one out of probably 150 void shards...
Lol, still have my first pick (painsmith). Been my vault guardian since starting the game.
I think Plarium changed the AI. Once my Paragon reaches zero health the spiderlings change target to Coldheart. Paragon's level is topped at 30 with way lower def and HP.
same here
Thanks 🙏 mate, this video has been a life saver for me. Paragon helped me finish nm campaign and took me to spider 20 where I was struggling massively.
Wow, I was struggling in Spider 19 with Tayrel, Apothecary, Coldheart, Psylar and Sinesha. Off comes Sinesha, In comes Paragon (level 30! Needed 4 books), now I can easily manual level 19 in just over 4 minutes AND level 20 in just over 6 minutes, which is not that bad! Thanks, Paragon! Thanks a lot, Hell Hades!
I must have too much hp on my paragon, when I try this they hit him like 5 times then see the unkillable and start nuking my coldheart.
How do they not go for others, coldheart, RG all get targeted
@@vjs2530 i'm having the same issue
In spiders 19, do they still go for paragon over your magic affinity champs?
@@vjs2530 For me, they go for Parafon all the time. But maybe because all the other champs have way more max life than him. My Paragon is level 30 only.
Thank you so much! This gpt me through campaign on valdemars strat which is always the most difficult one for me and trough my spider
thanks for that ! I'll go with soulbond A1 and her crit + ignore defense, or Kael. Don't have much more choices for 3 stars sadly. Great vid thank you again
Wow I was lucky I had him in the vault I geared him correctly like your video and advice. I was stuck on stage 17 spider. I just done 17,18,19 and 20 one after the other. Thank you so much
Who else did you use? Cos they still go for my CH
@@vjs2530 me too
That's amazing!
Wassup ASHHHHH
@@Ellaineix lol..tat isn't ash..tat the official rsl channel
HH its funny you bring this up because I've been running into Paragon in faction wars and he always just hijacks my game with unkillable lol I thought the game was bugged :p might try this out lol
Yeah, I looked him up after having the endless loop of this fool at 1 hp while my party smacks at him forever.
Now I just target him before he gets it up.
This is brilliant. Gotta give it a try, this guy`s been gatherin` dust in my vault for ages.
I had the same thing the only thing you have to do is the rest of your team to not have negative affinities and NO SHIELD BUFFS
For anyone who wonders why it isn't working for you, it is because you are using other affinities.. It is super easy for him to do it when he is all void, but spiderlings attack a lot more randomly.. It is hard to get it working unless you can use all void. No one seems to like to explain how to actually do it properly, probably because it is a lot less appealing.
This is great. The commentary makes this vid.. HH da best!
I tried this strategy on spiders 19, so far no matter what champs i replace they will always go after my damage dealers then they go for paragon. first 2 spiderlings go after paragon then the rest will go after my CHs or any other champ i replaced her with.
Same here .. but i put him as lead and it will work
You need the same affinity. Like your whole team needs to be magic if your on 16 so it’s positive affinity and they will go after the paragon. It’s dumb but that how you need to do it. Or all voids.
Same here. I tried Paragon as lead on Spider 19, with rest of team made up of either Void, or Force affinity (same affinity as spiders). The first two spiderlings go for Paragon, then the rest started attaching my Rhazin till he died, and then my CHs. Never touched Paragon thereafter. Paragon was in lead, and only had 18.3K health. Next lowest HP teammate is Rhazin with 37.6K hp. Tried with an entire team of Voids as well, didn't work. Will try team of Spirit (positive) affinity teammates to see if that helps any...
@@cannistershot2277 if you did all voids it should work if you have paragon built right
Spiders won't attack you if you have a def up buff on you, maybe his speed isn't fast enough keeping that buff while everyone else's diminish
Someone finally showed me the cheese! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
..the joy on his face is amazing.
Woo!!! Used that strat to beat 19! Just one more step to go and I'll get me the speed queen!
Man, are you the man. 3 star NM campaign it is
It worked for me, I've been on lvl 19 and just got Paragon today, used it without books but with reflex gear, a reviver (Duchess), Artak, Armiger and Deacon. Though i used a reviver the sp continued to attack paragon, he only died once when the reflex set didn't proc and i got him back by revive to finish up the spider.
how comes that they attack not paragon? i use him to but they not attact him they attack my other champs?
Asmuch as i saw the 5 man paragon runs from you i still wonna try that for nightmare campaign
Maybe plarium changed the spiderling AI? I am stuck and wanted to use this tactic to push a level, but the spiderlings stop targeting the paragon once he is low on health.
Yup same here. Pissed that I wasted my rare books on him.
same here
@@gamingschool5480 and here i am just got my 1st paragon
once the unkillable goes up, they target someone else.
@@trevorferris8284 I wasted 9 books to get the 2 turn cool down.
What a cheezy way to complete the Spider :') but it's kinda genius thanks for the guide man!.
Thank you. I was stuck on Spider 19 and this made it simple.
thats doesn"'t work for me. spiders attack my tyrant first ?..
How the hell did you make it work? Spiders just ignore mine and go after the coldhearts immediately. They have almost 4x his hp!
@@vincentsittler6814 they will go for weak affinity first
@@Fenthule me too I don't get it
thanks for the video, now i can make me trough some difficult levels :)
I've kitted my Paragon the minimal way you've described (low hp, with a bit of accuracy, speed and resistance), but the spiders are not targeting him first. Instead they're taking out my Tayrel, then my Coldheart, and then my Royal Guard on Spider 18 before going for Paragon. What am I doing wrong? Any help much appreciated.
I think Plarium have changed the Spiders AI to not target Paragon until he's the last hero standing
Maybe it is because of the affinity, also if tayrel is in the lead he is more likely than the rest to get hit. Try paragon with just spd and resistance and see if it works out
Or you can try getting paragon a provoke set, that way they never leave him and go after the rest
I can tell you guys, for certain, the little spiders doesn't go after the champ with the lowest HP. Right now, They go after my 60 Kael every-single time. I pulled my Paragon a few days before this video released. He is 40. only ascended 3/4 stars. Fully booked. 111 accu. So not quite 139 accu or how HH had his accu.... all my champs I use range 25khp-55khp except Paragon which is only 13k.hp. Don't know why it isn't working for me. I don't think it is speed related, dmg related; Power rating nor accuracy related. This video proves it, however there is definitely a threat meter. I don't know why my my threat is Kael and not Paragon. I know there is something to this vid. No matter how I build my Allure it seems, All the mobs go after her. Even if I sacrafice crit R. and Crit D. stats to raise Resist, HP and Def. Stage 13 Fire knight, only if I am lucky will allure make it to round 3 and even then she dies early on.
Does Paragon need to be under 10k hp??
I also have same problem.
@@Sakshesh I am certain it was because he demo'd it on his affinity cup account. All of HH's champions were void champs. And since void champs exist outside the Magic to Spirit to Force affinities, spider doesn't take affinity into account.
Even then, I still can't say certainly hp is a factor. After, I believe, really understanding how HP Burn through Trial and Error, with or without Paragon, you still want to play manually. You want HP Burn debuff on everyone and you want it to last as long as possible. Right before spider consumes spiderlings.
So first, I attacked from the get go with Kael and he goes 2nd after High Khatun on my team. After that, all the spiderlings go after Kael no matter what.
But if I wait and cycle through my team first... And get everyone shield and Def and speed and ally protect up, waiting until Spider consume spiderlings, then I can HP burn all spiderlings and spider. Spider then goes through two long turns.
I don't kill spiderlings. But when I do this, spiderlings focus on High Khatun and then Kael. When they are both dead, Spider's HP is only 1/4th of it's Max HP.
Then 60 Miscreated Monster, Tyrant and Paragon are left. This is when the cheese started working for me. But the spiderlings still won't stay on paragon.
Really like the idea of this for getting me through the nightmare campaign. Just went to have a look at my dark elf index for paragon. To see if I have one. Just my luck its the only dark elf I've never pulled. Great.
The spiderlings are targeting my other champs when i use the unkillable although they are negative affinity to them and paragon has the lowest hp of everyone. Did they patch it?
Looks that way, at least I'm getting the same on spider 19, and see similar comments in here that are recent :(
I’m having the same issue. They kill my 2 CH then armiger. Anyone know for sure what happened?
@@archibaldpaoma try bringing down paragon's spd to just above 170, make him the slowest in your team, and give him as low def as possible, maybe that way you get the spiderlings to target him
@@thestatistician6076 It worked like a miracle ma man! Thanks a BUNCH!
@@MrXBOCAX you are welcome man, glad to hear it worked :)
I kind of take what I said back. So... I JUST maxed out my Miscreated Monster last night. My only Legend is 50 Tyrant Ixlimor. Then 60 Kael (in lifesteal gear) and 50 High Khatun as leader. THEN the Paragon Cheese. But this needs Tyrant's A2 booked 4 out of 5 so that HP Burn is at 100% chance. 5/5 just makes the A2 a 4-turn cooldown. Isn't necessary, It just makes the abilitly available more often so timing when to use it is easier. Full mastery doesn't hurt either. But again, I doubt it is necessary.
But the spiderlings don't stay on Paragon. But when Kael and high Khatun dies, Paragon is there and ready to take up any slack that is available.
Don't know if setup will work for the next Force Affinity spider however (Stage 15 I think?). I more than likely need better gear/masteries and the such. But I did make some progress. Thank you Hell Hades.
Nice vid! The guide helped me out a lot!
Love it. I still enjoy manual play.
Now I kinda want to get two paragons and just laugh my way through the dragon
Finally!!! Been waiting for a good explanation of this strat. Is there a particular reason why your Paragon is built out to 40, or can you use him at 30?
He answered your question in about the first 1m 20s seconds of the video
30 is fine
any level i guess. the thing is he has to be the lowest level and stats so AIs will prioritize on attcking him
Ha, couldn't wait for your video Hades, cheesed through 20 last week :o)
Thanks!!! Confirmed, this still works! Just got me through Spider 19!!!
this is ABSOLUTELY genius
Nice👌🏾
Thank you for this tip
What should I do if they just switch targets when unkillable goes up?
Others HP must be at least 3-3.5 times the Paragon HP. When he has Unkillable, AI treats him as having 3 times HP
@@CzachaDymi thank you a million for the heads up! I had about given up hope! Lol
@@CzachaDymi Yooooo this is it!! I changed all my team's gear to have 3x the hp and it worked!!!!!!! THANKS
This got me from 15 spider to 20 spider in a matter of minutes. all i needed was for ultimate galek to not die and cast his HP burn twice, this method got me there, just wish i could auto lol.
waow !!! a young hell hades^^
Doesn't the buff/cooldown work off of the champs turns?
Wouldn't it make more sense to make him as slow as possible while being quick enough to get his first turn before the first enemy on the wave?
just pulled paragon good to see he will be useful :)
I use a Paragon with 8k+ HP, but the Spiderlings dont attack him. All the other Champs habe 30k+HP. Whats wrong?
did you try him in lead position? and did you work out the affinity? someone mentioned something about defense buffs.. but i don't believe that's needed far as i know. Anyway.. i'm going to book mine, and try it soon too.
@@cryptfire3158 I tried an exact copy of the team, id didnt work. Now i run s20 with sicia, Miscreated,... That works in 9 of 10 times really good. Good luck to you!
Would this cheese work with 4 paragons on manual doing this for themselves? Takes forever but in theory you could cheese quite a lot of lvls
will the spiderlings and spider boss chose paragon with low hp over a weak affinity champ?
Not for me ,they went for weak affinity
Good thing I just pulled this guy. Gotta work on getting him booked out as a f2p :(
dont do it, it does not work
why does paragon need speed? shouldnt his unkillable run out right at the start of the turn his cooldown comes up again?
He needs to be faster so the spiderlings don't kill him before he takes his turn
Regarding Paragon in the Arena.
On occasion you will see one in the Arena. For Madness challenge it with your own Paragon.
For a quick win. Send in Mystic Hand.
That could’ve been mine. I’ve been using the solo Paragon in Arena comp occasionally just for the lulz since around April last year. Jacked up on Speed+Resist rolls and nothing else :))
I suggest Paragaon with reflex set. So you don't have to worry about his A2 still going on cooldown during the start of the next round. That's where he usually get killed when you don't time his hits.
so this doesn't work anymore right with void affinity? spiderlings seem to attack all affinities after paragon except for the negative :/
Did they fix/stop this?
I just tried it on spider and they attacked my Mordecai first. Is it a gear thing (my Mordecai wasn't well geared, was just testing) or does it simply not work anymore?
I have no luck with paragon cheese , they attack my paragon once then switch to my cold heart , what am I doing wrong?
Same here, they just go straight for my cold heart and paragon is at about 7k hp. Cold heart 36k hp,
ive heard about the paragon cheese fer quite some time now but ive lvld him to 50, fully ascended, put fair perception gear in him and cant even get him to work anywhere, i must be doing something wrong, im strugglin in 3 starring NM campaign. ive used him with toragi, rathalos, aphidus, and kael (rath and kael being in lifesteal), but nothing seems to work. ive even tried soloing bommal to no avail.
You do not understand I needed this cheese for nightmare for the last boss thank you so much
literally just ran into 4 of these in arena, what a nightmare
HH, ive tried to use paragon to clear spider 19, full manual, same build, but the spiderlings will target other champs and so this strategy doesn't always work FYI.
i have also done it on 19 and it worked.
All void affinity champs? Or a mix of affinities?
@@HellHades I wish it worked for me, I have lyssandra, tomb lord and a level 40 armiger. They go for armiger who has higher hp tried CH and they went for her, she is level 60
this doesnt seem to work for me anymore, i have paragon as leader, the rest are all void affinity. 2x cold heart, 1x bellower and 1xfellhound.
When i do the unkillable the first spiderling attacks paragon, after that they all sorta go for random attacks, some go for coldheart, some go for bellower etc. Have they fixed this cheese?
did you get it working by chance?
@@cryptfire3158 Your non-Paragon champions need at least 3x more hp than Paragon. This fixed it for me. Apparently if you have an unkillable buff on a champion, the Spiderlings see that Champion as having 3x the hp. So if your Paragon has 8k hp, all other champions must have at least 25k hp and they will not be targeted by spiderlings.
you still recommend him to have approximately 10times speed as the boss level even against spider? or what are the numbers here? :D i dont have him booked so far, its only question for the future
he just needs to be faster than the spiderlings
This doesn't work even if you have paragon as leader with an all void team with higher health. Some of the spiders will eventually stop targeting him and target everyone else
That’s exactly what happens to me
Raid prolly patched it to force more sales
That is such a funny way of talking about paragon. You need enough speed to get back to unkillable? no xD, as long as you get that first turn before anything, you can have as low speed as possible. The unkillable doesn't disappear, even if his speed goes to 0 :P.
While you have to be present, you can do this a TON faster, if you auto and keep an eye on when it is paragons turn every second time. The strat works, but it's poorly optimized :P get yourself together past HH :D
thanks HellHades great video as always. What kit and speed are your other champs? I’m still unable to complete Spider 15 even with this strategy. I have a reasonable mastery level on the champs and reasonable hall skills level mostly L5 with higher accuracy.
I have no idea how to do it. The spiderlings don't attack my paragon. The attack all the other caracter bou not him. and he is 4 star with spped gear and he has the lowest HP and def
How come when I do this it works 50 50. They sometimes decide to stop attacking paragon around half way through the fight and go after my cold heart. My paragon is the lowest hp. He only has speed boots and an acc chest with speed sub stats . That way he can maybe land some of his a1 turn meter manipulation.
@John Litchfield yeah I tried making him lead or putting him on the same side as in video. He has the lowest hp for sure and yeah the spiderlings usually wise up half way through the fight and leave him alone lol. Yeah he'll never die but he also will never finish the fight alone LOL.
Does this still work? I had heard that there was a patch that hindered him. Holy crap over 9mins just to kill this spider? This spider boss has me stuck at stage 8, but I have enough books to max paragon now. But I also have rector, scyl of drakes, and Umbral (but they arent maxed in skills)... but for actual dmg i use Stag knight, Belanor, Abbess, Staltus Dragonbane. But I had been using doom preist to remove the poisons.. and for a little health and increase atk. But those damn little spiders always get me.
Correct if I m wrong HH, when we lv up the champ in star, does the champion gets the SPD up as well? If not, for paragon can star joining the spider team lv1 with gears.
At stage 14. The team is all affinity. Madame Serries, Bellower, Coldheart, Lua and Paragon with the lower HP(8045), speed 170 but the big mamma spider is targeting Paragon as well other member of the team. How I make it works that is targeting only him? I also book him the skill Damage Control to level 3. Any idea?
I'm currently leveling my bulwalk for my clan team what build are you using? Thanks for all your great content.
i cannot get this to work against spider 15 (still red), my paragon has 190acc, 183speed, 7k hp.. i can put 2 armigers in the group but if i put a coldheart in there, or apo, or royal guard, which all have higher defence and HP, the spiderlings attack them first, they can be buffless or buffed, doesnt make a difference, the spiderlings will go for them first.. also mid fight the spiderlings can suddenly start targetting my armigers instead of paragon for no apperent reason, maybe you got an idea whats going on?
PARAGON ZE BEST
Has this been nerfed? I finally got enough rare skill books to get my paragon's unkillable booked out. But when I try the nightmare campaign, he is not taking the hits. The other unit is the one taking the hits even though he has half as much hp.
Are you the correct affinity? Keep in mind they will attack the weak affinity first always. And then choose the lowest hp amongst the weak affinity. Make sure you only bring either the same affinity as the enemy or strong affinity.
For some reason the Paragon method does not always work for me. The spider lings do not always target him. I'm running manual, placing UK on him but for some reason spiderlings target other hero's, he is level 30 all others are lvl60. What am I doing wrong?
i have mine in a freeze set and use him with ultimate galek... ez spider 20
hi mate ! i dont want to be rude but as you are a big in this can you tell me is you know any ones that buy account ? like for review or for start playing and have already good heroes and dont want to spend to much money ?
Spiders 15 does not work for me with this comp. Starts out find on manual, but after 4 or 5 turns, spiders change focus to my Apothecary instead of Paragon, any suggestions? My comp is Tayrel, Misc Monster, Zarg, Sinesha...tried with other hero's, but changes focus throughout the fight to focus Apoth. All hero's @ 60, w/ good gear, Paragon level 40 with similar stats Hell Hades is running. Any Suggestions?
Just tried it for some reason I can’t seem to pin point, they keep switching to my other champs even after making them tanky af
make others much higher HP
Thanks
I paired him with nazana at 61k hp and they went straight for her on NM campaign. He only has 12k health. I’ve never been able to get him to work.
@@HellHades my uGalek got 45k and patagon only 7k... but spiders goes on uGalek ;( no idea why :/
Hell Hades doesn’t work. My big’un has 40k hp and they always target him over anyone else despite everyone being tanky (except paragon)
This makes me feel bad for the other affinities in the cup :p
Like they wouldn't use it if they were void 🤪
can you auto this with enough speed?
dude i have Ignatius and paragon but it wont work 1st they attack paragon then when i put unkillable buffs spider wil change to Ignatius..😭😭😭
put more hp on iggy
It's ok but in campaign, it should not work if ennemy uses a champion who removes buff, right ?
im wondering how things would work with more then 1 paragon and a santa could they auto anything or still need to manual it
i cannot get this to work... i have paragon lvl 36 and booked but after he has he's placed the unkillable buff 2 spiderlings will attack him and the rest will change target to my Armiger who has more HP when Armiger dies then they will attack some other hero with tons more hp makes no sense if they go after the one with lowest HP, I am on spider 9 Void, my team do not get any buffs other than speed from Apo. so since this is a year old video is this still working except for me or they Plarium do something :) please do it again
Does this still work? I see some people in the comments saying it doesn´t.
Could you please try this again and see if it’s patched? It’s not working for me and I see it hasn’t been working for other people these past couple days either. Stars off fine but after Paragon uses UK the spiders will attack him once and switch targets. Please let us know if this is patched!
At 9:21 HH sold the banner as "a bad one" why was the banner not a keeper?
did they do something to this? i have a paragon that is less than 10k hp and none of the spiders are even trying to hit him
Iv just seen iv got q! Will this get me through spider 19 because im stuck on it!
Finally got paragon. Gonna go hunt some spiders
exciting video thanks
This is great to get through but how do you complete 20 ten times on auto to get Arbitor?
What do u think of put a poison stuff on a aoe champ if we dont have hp burn aoe
Does the 2nd champ need to be a void champ.. I found this not to work and they end up targeting the other champ
Ok now you need to make a Faction Wars Cheese video please!!
Ran into this cheese in Arena as a new player. SMH. I was so damn Mad
I’ve tried this strategy with my Paragon that has the same stats. Paragon takes two turns after buffing himself which causes him to lose his unkillable buff and then dies before he can reapply it to himself. Am I missing something?
Yea ur unkillable ability needs to be booked to a two turn cooldown…
I pulled paragon in the last event and I've seen a video of him being used in spider 20 with 4 armigers. I think it was scratch47, brilliant!
Can you tell me about the curing gear, does it add 10% to all heals? I have a lot of curing gear that's 5* but unsure on how it actually works
Curing gear is generally regarded as trash. It doesn't just add 10% extra healing. It's multiplicative. Meaning if you have a skill that does a 25% heal, it adds 10% of 25 or 2.5% more healing. So all totaled that 25% is now 27.5%. Yay, so much extra!.../s
All healing extras are multiplicative in the same way (skill upgrades for example) unless specifically stated otherwise. None are stated otherwise that I can think of atm. Hope this helps.
If curing was a 2 piece set it might be slightly more useful . For a 4 piece set it's the worst gear in the whole game .
Cool yeah thanks for the replies fella's, I'll sell that crap then haha
I've tried this and the my other character keeps getting attacked (not just counter attacks and Paragon in min health) and when I do win the fight it doesn't 3 star. Maybe Plarium found out there was an easy way to do this so they're dicking us around?
I'm finding the same on spider 15. It works at the beginning, but by the time i get it down to 75% health, the all jump on my coldheart, and kill her, then move on to my maneater and lightsworn, completely ignoring the paragon
Grizzly Bear this
I just tried this too, doesn't seem to work. They target my Paragon at first, cause he's got the lowest HP, but once he's at 1hp, the spiderlings happily target someone else. Did they patch this recently? I'm so happy that I spent all my rare books on this guy TT_________TT
This cheese is now better then ever with the update
just curious.. can we do like spidie 25 with it?
Would seem crazy for my (still early) account to be doing doing spider 24 farm with 2 armigers and a paragon. For some reason i feel like it won't work, even though i can't see why it wouldn't.
If you put him on the lead position even though he had no aura does he apply the unkillable on himself?
I saw a somewhat similar vid someone else did before. It featured Paragon and Renegade with Coldheart and whoever else in spider 20. Unfortunately I can't remember who it was 😦. Anyways, if you put paragon as the leader I believe they found he would target himself for the buffs. But it might have only been for the first turn. I don't recall for sure. Worth a test I would imagine. I would test it myself but alas I accidentally fed mine off a while back and haven't seen another since😭😭
I think that was Cold Brew Gaming who posted that particular video.