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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 พ.ค. 2024
- On Get Up, Austin Rivers, Alan Hahn, Monica McNutt and Andraya Carter join Mike Greenberg to debate whether the short-handed New York Knicks would have made it out of the Eastern Conference if injuries were not a factor, and, their need for a another "superstar" on the team.
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Glad they called out that BS Draymond said. Do injuries happen? Absolutely. Does that mean you disregard the effect they have on a teams chances at success? Absolutely not.
Goes both ways.. Knicks would of lost to Phily if Joel was healthy
@@86MagicJcan’t say that because Embiid literally has never been healthy in the playoffs.
@@86MagicJ no they wouldnt have..if its a fully healthy knicks team and fully healthy sixers team knicks win...knicks were literally 14-2 in January with a fully healthy team minus Robinson. Then Randle and OG got hurt...they would have mopped the sixers
@@lordfinesse4173exactly
@@lordfinesse4173 put the pipe down.. Embiid with 1 leg game gave them work.
Dude half the team was injured. Have this conversation after they go a full post season together
What i find weird is draymond cited 2 injuries from the warriors where our entire starting line up(Brunson at the end) was injured. 🤣
TBH it’s imposing for them to stay healthy. Randle is always injured by post season. Their coach runs them into the ground so they’re always bound for injuries. It’s no coincidence that Tibs teams have been injured by post season for a decade now
Injuries or not. Knicks arent good enough
@@Chris56076 you never seen the knicks at full strength and even when they were down they were still winning. That should scare people
OG would have made a difference. Not only the great regular season record with him but against Indiana they were 2-0 with him in the line-up, or at least him playing game 1 and 3/4s of game 2. In the games he didn't play New York was 1-4 (not including the 5 minutes he played in game 7). Not saying they would have beaten Boston but the Knicks would have definitely made it to the ECF with a healthy OG
This is facts but the haters won’t admit it
If they had the guys they started the playoffs with, likely they're taking the Celtics to 7
also imagine actually having a big guarding Siakam like Randle and Og guarding Hali, instead of hart and donte
I do not want KD as a Knicks fan. Feel like it’s gonna mess up what we’ve built so far, if he didn’t want to come over after GS that’s on him.
Remember we aren’t cool enough for him
KD is soft! Definitely don't want that chump in a Knicks uniform.
Nah, I think KD would be a great fit. You can throw him in any system and he fits in. You literally don’t have to run a play for him. And the Knicks would be perfect for him because 1) he originally wanted to come him until Kyrie said otherwise and 2) KD NEEDS the leadership of a Brunson and Thibbs.
They need another all star.... who would you want then?
I do. Hes the best fit here. He can spot up off PnR with brunson, he can isolate woth mininal time. He wouldnt take touches from JB
brunson is a legit superstar and they make it to the ecf if fully healthy this isnt rocket science bruh
If the whole league was fully healthy ny does not make the ECF. The shoulda woulda coulda excuses for ny need to stop
@era_emissary different story if a team's entire starting line up is out or injured. One or two sure..the whole team? Chill...
@@era_emissaryWho would’ve stopped them? The Bucks? Because they beat Embiid averaging 33ppg while they had 2-3 guys out all series? Also Bucks defense is weak and us healthy had the defenders to slow them down. Get off 🍆
@@rickster1217Regardless his point still stands, if everyone in the post season is healthy the knicks are not just going to the ecf.
@rickster1217 NY FANS ACT LIKE RANDLE WILL BE ALRIGHT BEING A NUMBER 2 THERE ARE PLENTY OF HIGHLIGHTS OF RANDLE GIVING UP DURING A GAME BC HE WAS NOT THE MAIN FOCUS ON OFFENSE
I can't wait for our NY squad to come back healthy next season, this team is for real and it makes me happy listening to this panel recognizing just that. I'm proud of this NY Knicks team.
Rofl same old knicks
@@diddymoe6816 with the way they are structured Knicks should be post season bound for at least 4-5 seasons, doesn’t seem typical but keep on laughing, all the usual front runner teams are gone from the playoffs besides Boston, so I’m sure your team was ousted a while ago.
@diddymoe6816 They really are not the same old Knicks.
ANY Raptors fan will have a hard time telling you the last time OG had a healthy season. We all loved him to death while we had him and all had/have a hard time seeing him go, but THIS ISN'T NEW FOR FOR OG. OG has missed significant time on the court since pre-Kawai; in fact, I always preach that the time off he had during the Kawai season was the best thing for him, watching Kawai daily from the bench and soaking it all in. He unquestionably has gotten better every year, only to see him get injured as the season closes and going into the playoffs. He's 100% the type of player you can see being a crucial role player in a dynasty type team.
He's one of the best swiss army knives in the NBA unquestionably, but that injury blade comes out way too often.
I’m not a knicks fan at all but let’s be real they would of beat Indiana if they as a team were a lil more healthy
The injury to Randle was a blessing actually that allowed Hart, OG, Donte and Brunson to develop a chemistry. Randle returns and everyone gets less shots. They are already uninvolved with Brunson creating his own shot. Adding Randle back to the mix makes them even less involved. No way Donte or Brunson gets to take over games late with Randle being out there.
Not possible with Thibs injuring them though
@@rotweilerscholar1181Maybe but you have to remember that even with Randle, the Knicks were running people over, going 14-2 in January.
@@TheProswagonist There are two seasons in the NBA;the regular season and the Post Season. Teams aren't as focused or prepared in the regular season. They aren't studying film excessively over their opponent yet. The Playoffs is where teams reveal their Poker hand. The Knicks have to learn "ball movement". That's what allows a team to score 110 points consistently. Indiana did it to them, The Warriors in their prime did it. When you run the offense through iso players like Brunson and Randle who hold the ball too long, your offense becomes predictable and it gives the other 4 players on defense a break. You have to keep the defense on their toes with quick ball movement. The Knicks also need one or two players who can at least hit wide open shots when Brunson draws the double team. The Knicks are scrappy without a doubt but that offense is old school and needs some tweaking even with Brunson. It's almost a no debate that this year's chemistry will be mean nothing if Randle returns next year.
@@vietnam1978 Uneducated Casual no Knicks players hurt cause Thibs
that other star is a 2xall nba player in Julius Randle. He wasn't playing because he was hurt. Knicks went 14-2 in January when healthy without Mitch Rob or Bogi and Burks. Run it back.
Alll facts he was killing in December and January
I have a nice bridge to sell you for dirt cheap if you think Hart, Donte and OG will have the same freedom to shoot when Randle returns. Donte getting hot in spurts and shooting multiple times is not happening, Hart being a Swiss Army Knife doing it all not happenig, OG hitting clutch baskets not happening.😃 The reason why Donte, Hart and OG prospered is because of Randle's absence. I don't like his game because he's a ball dominant iso player like Brunson. We don't need two iso players on the court at the same time. Dallas gets away with it because Luka and Kyrie alternate being the Point Guard.
@rotweilerscholar1181 it worked in January and December wit no problem donte is trash he needs like 23 shots to get 19 points he's really a bench player ur randle hate has blinded yr eyes og only playes 45 games a year and hart can't score it's weird ya randle hate he was the best passer yes better than brunson from Nov to January this is facts
I disagree that they would have won if Green never gets suspended.
There was a game 7 with a fully loaded roaster on both sides in the Warriors building.
If Green was out game 7 then sure but nope he played, and it was a home game. Cavs took that series
Nope, no new star needed on the Knicks. They got Randle and they got Anunoby, that is more than enough to compete for the chip. And imagine Hart and Hartenstein coming off the BENCH???? And McBride will be better next year too?! Mannnnn 👀
We dhould go for KD
I think KG made a point with Stephen A. It’s usually management that screws it up the following season after a team wins a chip. Take the 2008 Celtics for example. They lost James Posey to free agency. Didn’t retain Eddie House and Leon Powe.
The 2010 Celtics had Tony Allen who Kobe said was the best defender he’s ever faced, but c’mon, Tony Allen was only 6’4. Not 6’8 like James Posey. Celtics lost some of their length by the time they had their rematch with the Lakers.
We saw it again with the 2020 Lakers. They broke up that team immediately. Let go of Dwight, Rondo, McGee, and Caruso. Not that I believe they would’ve repeated in 2021 since AD was going down against Phoenix. But why make the drastic changes?
Then the Lakers decided to let go of Malik Monk who thrived in Sacramento the following season. Then the Lakers lost Schröder and Lonnie Walker. They lost a little bit of their defensive feistiness by losing Schröder.
Denver should’ve never let go of Bruce Brown and Jeff Green. But management wants to cut corners and then the roster gets a little worse and they’re never as good as the roster that won them a championship.
I do believe it’s the end of dynasties. And you know what? I actually like it! Adam Silver said he always wanted to copy the NFL with their parity. It makes each new season more unpredictable. The last 5 champions failed to repeat and make it beyond the 2nd round after winning the chip the year prior….
2020 Raptors (2nd round exit)
2021 Lakers (1st round exit)
2022 Bucks (2nd round exit)
2023 Warriors (2nd round exit)
2024 Nuggets (2nd round exit)
I think this is good news for fans who roots for their teams in smaller markets. No more seeing Lakers or Celtics winning all the time. Each team is only built for ONE season. More one and done teams. Every team gets a chance to eat a slice of that championship pie.
Since 2011, teams who won their first ever championship…
2011 Mavericks
2016 Cavaliers
2019 Raptors
2023 Nuggets
2024 Timberwolves????
Kinda gives hope to my dumbf**k Clippers. Maybe we will finally catch a lucky break on health next year? Nah. We’re screwed. Too old. Too cursed. Kawhi is broken goods. The new 2014 Brooklyn Nets banking on guys in their mid 30s and could no longer hang against stars in their mid 20s.
While my Clippers suck, guess who’s made a big comeback to his career? Kyrie. Dude is still playing while Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, LeBron, AD, Steph, KD, Kawhi, PG, Harden, and Russ are all fishing.
It’s a new era. Only build teams with very short term views because nobody knows which teams will get injured again. Death of dynasties, superteams, dynamic duos, and big threes. Embrace parity and just hope your team can remain healthy. The younger teams are succeeding because their best players are still young that they can stay healthy.
Pat4Clippers I bet you copy and paste this essay about 4-5 times on to different videos 🤣 Eddie Mush 👴🏻
While I agree with you that front offices tend to mess up a good thing, it's important to remember that the salary cap plays a bigger part in it.
Take the 2020 Lakers, they actually didn't immediately break up that team. They brought everyone back in 2021 but they had major injuries to both AD and LeBron, including AD in the 1st round vs the Suns. They couldn't run it back after that as so many key players like Kuzma and Caruso were no longer under contract. Kuzma went from a contract paying him $2M making $25M this year.
The same thing happened with the 2008 Celtics. They couldn't afford to keep Posey because of the Big 3's contracts. They let Posey and others go but their cap still went up. They also had to prepare for when Rondo was going to be resigned.
The Nuggets are experiencing the same pain which is why they had to let Bruce Brown walk. KCP and Gordon might be next because they are already paying Jokic, Murray and MPJ over $35M each next year. The downside to winning a chip is that your players become more valuable/costly, and you can't pay everyone. Especially if you have a supermax player already. Go look at any of the teams you mentioned and see who they lost to FA because they couldn't afford them. Boston will be that team soon thanks to that mega contract they gave Brown. If you want to keep a team together get some of these stars to take less, instead of $50M.
You doing too much
@@justified004Nuggets didn’t let Bruce Brown go , the Pacers offered him $22 mill per year for a 6th man which is insane for any team. The most you could pay for a 6th man is 8-10 mill at best.
@@Jason09_True. It’s what I think will happen with Naz Reid at some point
Knicks are good! Randle had been good to play, we would be in the east finals. Possibly the nba finals. For us to have made it all the way to the second round with only 7-10 guys was amazing! Especially when the other teams had full rosters of players! 20 vs 7 is a rough task every game!
If the other Eastern Conference team's roster stays essentially the same, the Knicks can most definitely reach the Conference Finals next year.
They have a superstar
No we don’t. Brunson is a hooper. But he also gotta shoot way more than anybody from the Point Guard position which hurts a team. He a HOOPER but not a Superstar
@@liamellis9018he was kinda forced to do that when the. 2nd option is out for months. When Randle was there he didn’t take this many shots. They’ll add another scorer he’ll take less and become more efficient
@@liamellis9018yea that’s your opinion
@@liamellis9018 He's a combo guard similar to Curry and AI. He's great and is definitely a superstar.
@@liamellis9018y u think he had to shoot so much this playoffs dumb dumb
If the Knicks can add someone like Mikal without giving up Julius and just using draft assets, they can make the finals
As someone from the Toronto area. EVERYONE was talking about those injuries! It was so hard to get even a little bit of respect for how goos that team was!
Draymond should have been arrested for assault. Should not get air time.
I like the energy of this group, they seem to have a lot of good chemistry
Julius Randle + 2 1st round picks for Jaren Jackson Jr. Money works. Or Randle +Robinson + picks for Jackson Jr. and Marcus Smart since some Knicks fans feel like McBride isn't enough behind Brunson and Smart obviously fits the Knicks ethos.
Let me guess, you're a Grizzlies fan right?
@@christophersanchez907 Knicks fan for 30 years
KG knows wassup
Uhhhh the Knicks have Randle and Robinson who didn’t even play. If those guys were there they would be moving on
Because genius folks still thought they were better but without the good players that went down like Audonby missed two games and without Robinson and Randle out no way they beat the Celtics
No superstar necessary. They need to resign OG first and foremost. Figure out a way to get Mikal Bridges (Bogdanovic + 4 1 picks). Figure out a way to get Jaren Jackson Jr. or Domantas Sabonis (Randle+Robinson+2 picks). Then trade up (2-1st round picks and a 2nd) to get an NBA ready front court guy in draft. Yves Missi or Clingan. Done, ready for 4-5 years of title contention. And still with 2 or 3 1st round picks left, and the best bench in the league. Brunson-Bridges-OG-Jackson Jr-Hartenstein= 2004 Pistons defense lol. McBride-DiVincenzo-Hart-Missi-Achiuwa. Woof.
This gotta be the dumbest?, injuries hands down cost us a trip to finals
Y’all were not beating the Celtics fully healthy stop the 🧢
Injuries are the only reason you made it out of the first round! Chuck was right Ny fans think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread when in reality they are average at best Celtics literally ran through the entire eastern conference with ease and it wasn't even close and NY fans out here oh if we were healthy we would be the Celtics lol
@@Jacobah156 knicks clear the sixers..this Embiid hurt narrative is getting old
@@lordfinesse4173 maybe maybe not my point is you can't say we would be in the finals if it weren't for injuries in one breath and then say but don't bring up Ebiid injury or a Giannis as reasons why they went home can't have it both ways is my point
Excuses
Let’s not DisCredit Kawhi’s ring in 2019 yeah KD got hurt but warriors won a ring before he got there they didn’t need him before he got there. Kawhi’s run that year fasho was something to remember.
Bruh they won with K Love and Kyrie going down…that same team was not gonna beat Cleveland with everybody at full strength. The Warriors needed KD point blank.
@@DC4L1991 they needed him after he got there not before he got there they won a ring without him simple. After he was on the team you can say they needed him for the years following the fact is warriors won before KD got there. Matter of fact they Knocked Kd off them he went to go join them so we not gon discredit Kawhi simple
@@shyne672 Something is simple that is for sure. FYI, Toronto's 2019 ring is not respected with KD & Klay Thompson being injured. Just like GSW's 2015 ring with Kyrie & Love bring injured is also not respected. When you beat a team solely because the other is missing best players, it is not respect-worthy. Simple.
@@Reaper13-hi3yo but the gstate dynasty with KD aint respected. lot of hall of famers and hoopers dont rate that dynasty.
@@omersiddique90 I would agree with that. To me GSW have 1 legit ring in 2022. KD to GSW was weakest move in NBA history bar-none and it both KD Steph responsible
KG Knows hes from New York played with Stephon Marbury & can relate to the Grit of our identity. But healthy wise the Knicks can compete
he's definitely not from New York he's from South carolina lol
Knicks win in 5 if they’re healthy
Yeah nah you're delusional. It's cool though, they'll have plenty of time to get healthy, at home out of the playoffs.
@@ryoncraig3271went to 7 with 2 out of our 5 starters healthy . gg
@@ryoncraig3271 You're right. They would've won in 4
@ChaosTemplar morons like you will continue to believe that delusion. Doesn't change the fact that they are sitting at home. You shouldn't talk basketball, pal. Try cricket.
@@ryoncraig3271Nah he’s right. Use your brain. They were up 2-0. Then OG got hurt and they only lost game 3 because of a DEEP Nembhard stepback 3. With OG in there, they definitely take game 3 and go up 3-0. They still most likely lose game 4 because Indiana was on one of those crazy hot streaks where they don’t miss. But the Knicks came back and won game 5 in a blowout. That would mean series goes 4-1 to the Knicks if OG was healthy. Thats not even counting the fact that they were also missing Randle, Mitch, and Bojan for that series.
Shut up Draymond
Malcolm. From trailblazers would be a great fit
They do not need another star, they need a few more dogs. Look at the production Thibs got from Hart, Hartenstein, Deuce, and when healthy, OG. They need to bring back the core, and theyre going to need a shooter but not at the expense of their defense and rebounding. Length is the NBA gold standard, I'd be fine if they moved Mitchell Robinson and added another wing defender provided they retain OG. Let guys like Dante and Deuce grow into their roles but they definitely need more depth if they're going to play rough.
Not even, they just need decent health. Thankfully, they have 2 1st rounders, I can guarantee you they'll spend one on a wing to backup OG and Bogdanovic, both of whom are the most suspect to injury and provide a lot of catch and shoot scoring. If they don't trade Mitch, they'll probably use the other pick on a backup center. Thibs has done a great job developing the team's lower draft picks into, at worst, decent role players (I.e. Quickley, Robinson, McBride, and Grimes) and it's safe to say he can do it again.
I hate the injury argument because it doesn't factor into any other round than the finals ...but you can be the projected best team and be hindered by injury in the first round and not advance (because of that) ...so almost every team gets the benefit of playing against teams with players missing at some point in the playoffs
Why are yall disrespecting boston?
Bc they are fools gold
Boston would not have lost to the Knicks if the Knicks were healthy. ESPN will never give Tatum is due credit, even if he wins the championship.
@@Zenigundamwhat has Tatum done to deserve his credit?
@@Zenigundam if that happens, they'll do a complete 180 and call him one of the greatest to ever play, that he's made x amount of ECF and x amount of all-nba teams and x many all stars by the age of 26. They're goofy
Bc they aren’t reliable. I personally don’t believe in them. Their coach isn’t good & doesn’t make adjustments.
knicks should hire KG as a consultant and have him sit behind the knicks bench and amped them up each night
Tired of hearing about Knick injuries is why the Knicks lost against the Pacers.. At the end of the day, the Pacers are ALWAYS up and ready to whip, punish and destroy the Knicks anytime they play. Even with a entirely healthy Knick team.. The Pacers would have still destroyed the Knicks..
Idc what nobody’s says abt Draymond. Dude is a 4x champion with the team that drafted him. He didn’t leave a situation to join a super team. He can speak on things most of them can’t. The goal as a player is always to win the big game. If Bron or MJ or shaq would’ve said this they would’ve took it differently
Knicks need a Solid Big Man
They already have two of them with Hartenstein and Mitch. Both play great defense and are elite rebounders. They probably need another offensive option like Mikal Bridges.!
@@cybertutorials5609no Mitch has no offensive bag he’s terrible to watch missing open layups
If Brooklyn can’t successfully trade for a star to pair with Mikal this summer, then the Knicks should offer McBride, one of Mitch or Bojan, and 3-4 picks for him.
A lineup of Brunson, Mikal, OG, Randle, and Hartenstein with a bench of Donte, Josh, whoever they draft, and one of Bojan or Mitch leftover is a championship contending roster.
Why on earth is Austin Rivers being given a spot on national television 😭
Everyone forgets Julius Randle disappeared the last two postseasons
The first he was seeing double and triple teams the second he touched the ball and he wasn’t half the passer he is now, and the second he needed ankle surgery, the first one I could give you but even then he overachieved with that team there is no one who could have achieved more with that team during that time
Short term memory sports fans, idk how people just forget about this..or maybe there just delusional idk
@@emesimpieBecause fans that actually know basketball understand the reasons for his performances.
The 2021 season was literally his first playoff appearance and he was constantly doubled and tripled team. His teammates at the time were Elfrid Payton, RJ Barrett, and Reggie Bullock. Literally had no reliable second option except a washed D Rose off the bench. So all the hawks had to do was double him EVERY time and have a 3rd help defender waiting for him at the rim.
The 2nd playoff appearance was when he injured his ankle and was advised not to play on it but he rushed back and did so anyways. He ended up RE-Injuring it AGAIN against Cleveland in game 5 and immediately needed ankle surgery after the season was over verses Miami.
So now, a healthy Julius, who is now the SECOND option on offense would definitely help the Knicks. Brunson would not have to shoulder all the offensive load and teams couldn’t double Julius in the post anymore because the Knicks have lots of shooters. Please learn basketball before running around with just narratives.
its up to player to have the mindset of no excuses....not the fans...or the media...
Mike Greenberg's writers answered his own question without getting into that question. If the players that were already injured before the playoffs, the reason is most likely because Coach Thibs ran those players into the ground during the regular season and perhaps the latter part of the regular season.
At some point (which for me was years ago), people have to stop treating Draymond as if he has any credibility outside of being a very effective point forward for the Warriors when they have a very good roster. He's not a tough guy, he's not honest and he's not a mature adult.
Knicks need to keep there core but they need to rest more for the playoffs.. ad some depth to spell the guys that’s all they need
How many times does it need to be said? Jalen Brunson IS a bona-fide superstar and a viable #1 option on a contender, and when this team was fully healthy they were not just beating great teams like the Timberwolves, Nuggets, and 76ers (all of which were at full health too), they were outright DESTROYING them, the latter two by nearly 40 points. All the Knicks really need to do this offseason is re-sign OG and Hartenstein, use their 1sts to draft a backup wing and center with OG and Robinson being more injury prone, and just get everybody at full health. This is the kind of roster you 1000% run it back with, they should not make any sort of rash moves.
Knicks just need to get a deeper rotation if anything else. I know Thibs loves playing his starters for almost the entire 48 minutes, if not all 48, but that's not a recipe for success, as clearly shown. Somebody said it recently, but if the Knicks had a quality backup PG, like the Pacers have McConnell to backup Haliburton, it probably makes a huge difference so that way Brunson had more than 10 seconds a game to sit.
Tibs has no respect for the human body
@@yungaj6166 Thibs has never heard of rest a day in his life
it would be great if it's not a ball dominant player that would overshadow JB. let him continue to lead but give him size and more perimeter shooters. need more bench depth also
They deserve the chance to run it back. If they don't win the chip next season, you can then look to add another star.
This panel is AWFUL.
Is anyone else confused at why the ECF start tonight and all ESPN wants to do is talk about the Knicks who are sitting at home not playing like they were the greatest nba team of all time who would have no doubt won a championship this year if this or that rather than the teams who will be playing and the team who literally dominated the entire eastern conference all year?
Absolutely
The Knicks have a whole list of players that need new contracts and also the coach.
Please name those players since you keep up with the Knicks and aren’t just typing random stuff right?
@@jordinmcmillan6625
- OG is hitting free agency and needs a new deal this offseason. He will probably get over $30M annually from the Knicks
- Isaiah Hartenstein also needs a new deal. The most they can afford to pay him due to the salary cap rules is around $16.5M per year.
- Randle is extension eligible since he can opt out of his contract at the end of next year. The max they can offer is 4yrs/$180M this summer.
- Brunson is also extension eligible this year, but if he waits until next year, he qualifies for the 5yr/$270M supermax extension.
- Coach Thibbs is on the verge of getting his extension since the 5 year coaching deal he signed back in 2020 is almost over.
- Precious Achiuwa AND Alec Burks are also free agents this year and will need new deals if the Knicks decide to keep them. Not sure if they will tho.
It’s all about the coach giving them injuries
Knicks don’t need another star. They have several, Randle, Brunson, Anunoby, Hart and Divincenzo. How many more stars do they need.
both things can be true. many people felt the warriors had easy convenient trips to the finals with tons of opponent injuries. It doesnt make the win any less...but it is the fact of the matter.
It's a point guards game and Brunson can make anything work.
They don’t need a “star” they need someone that’s a reliable bucket like demar derozan
Austin Rivers. If his Father wasn't a decent player, we wouldn't know who he is.
KG is absolutely 💯 👌
Nobody talks about it and I think it’s pretty cool that LeBron got his first ring against Kevin Durant and then Kevin Durant got his first ring against LeBron. Pretty cool.
Yall just gave mad props to OG for not being available with the Knicks. OG was on the 2018 Raptors squad and he was injured. You think KD wouldn't have been locked up by OG and Kawhi... Also keep in mind, Raptors DID beat the Warriors during the regular season WITH KD. American Sports Media is the worst.
Knicks just need to get healthy. Randle is a budget Giannis. The problem with these conversations is that the Knicks have beaten teams with more “star power” (Philly and Cleveland). The Knicks are not concerned with the labels of “superstar” or “1A” or any of this media created bs. They just play hard and let the results speak for themselves.
Giannis is efficient and takes high percentage shots. He has a unique Power Game from the perimeter because he's so explosive and long . Randle is a ball dominant iso player who likes to dribble and create his own shot. He's talented but he takes the most difficult shots I have ever seen for a PF. Excess dribbling and fadeaways, deep threes alot of hanging out on the perimeter. Giannis gets the ball on the perimeter and immediately goes downhill to the basket for a high percentage shot. The Knicks overachieved being scrappy. Jaylen Brunson established himself as a superstar. Now New York is back at square 1 when they had a bona fide star in Ewing. The challenge remains the same. Try to get a ring with one superstar and a gritty role players.
I agree run it back healthy squad
The Warriors playing against hurt teams/getting hurt themselves does not relate since they were a heavy loaded superteam at that time. The Knicks are super workers, not a superstar laden "super" team by definition
I understand injuries hurt but it’s the nba
All of the players is talented it’s suppose to be next man up
And if you feel like ya bench weak then upgrade it
It’s players out there that could help team like Dwight Howard boogie cousins j wall etc
Proven players in the league but just because they not at they prime level anymore ppl wanna gravitate to young players who haven’t done anything and might not stick
Okay for the 15th millionth time. The knicks dont need to blow it up for donovan, or devin booker. There is one star I blow it up for, Ant-man. And ant aint getting traded. So instead I continue to draft and aquire pieces. We need at least one more 3 and D guy who's 6'7 at least. We need another pg off the bench because that isn't deuce. Deuce is more of a 3 and D 2 guard. Lastly and most importantly, this current team just needs to stay healthy. And by adding more pieces, it helps preserve some guys.
So we’re still talking about the Knicks on espn?
Honestly I think New York really should be looking to trade Julius Randle. He has time over time had terrible playoff runs and the team could really use more depth to help offset if they have more injury issues next year
Detroit proved you don't need a superstar. This is a different age of basketball a star player is enough.
I like Austin Rivers hes good on this panel.
Draymund and the Warriors were the luckiest team in NBA history due to injuries to their opponents
2015 Finals - Kyrie and KLove injured
2017 WCF - Kawhi injured by Zaza in Game 1
2018 WCF - CP3 injured in Game 5 (Rockets led 3-2)
2022 West Semis - Ja Morant injured. Jordan Poole grabbed his knee in Game 3.
Without those injuries, Warriors would have zero rings.
Lmao
They need a second star, thankfully they have one in Randle
Let’s all remember that Embid caused the Mitchell Robinson injury
Embid or Gianis or someone like that. They need a Big to replace Hartenstein
So then if injuries was not exuse how Draymond will explain 3-1 collapse vs Cavs then ? Bcoz he was suspended for just 1 game ?
Kincks need depth, there starters did what they had 2 do until they couldnt anymore. Give them depth so Tibs can lower minutes and trust the 6th, 7th, 8th options
healthy the have depth, Thibs juast doesnt play em
Can’t wait for next year LFGK
Knicks lost because of Thibs' inability to manage minutes and injuries. Last year it was Randle. Randle ain't all that great to begin with. He had an ankle injury that made him far less effective than usual. Instead of just playing Obi Toppin, Thibs insisted on using Randle. Randle, of course, as always, played horribly in the playoffs and the Knicks were eliminated by the Heat. Knicks were a much better team with healthy Toppin than they were with Randle on one good ankle.
This year, the Knicks had a limping Mitch Robinson. Thibs played him until he couldn't play anymore instead of using Precious. Bojan went down. Thibs could have split Bojan's minutes between Alec and Precious. Alec is a better ball handler and perimeter defender. Precious is a better defender/rebounder. Thibs just decided to go with 7 guys and play JB and OG nearly every minute of every game until they broke down...and he played Josh Hart LITERALLY every minute of every game until he went down. All the while, Alec Burks and Precious were DNPs and Deuce could have played more minutes.
Nobody else played guys the minutes Thibs did. Not even teams that were shorthanded. Thibs wore his guys out. He was beaten by a better coach who used the roster his front office provided for him.
stop it..Thibs does play his starters too many minutes..i am a life long knicks fan and there are games during the regular season that are already decided and Thibs still has starters on the floor...it is not a false narrative..there is a reason that all the teams he coaches have multiple injuries yearly..its called overuse
Didn’t this team have a player who averaged 20 & 10? An all nba player who was hurt? Y’all stay tripping.
A lot of if, this is reality and tomorrow is not promise for anyone.
I gotta call cap if it’s yall job to add context why do y’all hype up KD as some legendary player when the context that y’all use is him joining the already best team in the league that was whooping everybody already?
If they went to finals jalen brunson would be a first ballot hall of famer. A legend he would do something melo never accomplished anywhere in his entire nba career. Going to finals
Both. Daddy's boi needs some help and his numbers show it. Need someone who can be a secondary ballhandler and hit 3s. Time to move on from Randle.
Context doesn’t matter when it comes to Jordan
More KG!
The Knicks needs another superstar. They need to get rid of Randle. The Knicks should’ve traded Randle instead of Barrett and Quickley
knicks need one more defensive player to protect the inside.
DG forgets their were the team to beat at the time, NYK was the underdog story
Injuries no question and bring in Donovan Spider Mitchell and Zion Williamson
A star wouldn't hurt any team unless you're talking KD
Trade Randle for Naz Reid. Step up Stevens roll. He can be a 22 points per night player. He came up with splash brothers so it’s installed in him with his stroke.
Ppl forget how historically bad randle was in the playoffs in his career he wouldn't have made a difference. Some people must have short term memory when it comes to sports.
Add bridges for Randle
NYC has too many females for Miles "Ike Turner" Bridges to easily get distracted. 😁He's also undersized and a SF.
I only accept giannis if Knicks going for a star or trade for randle
I agree with the nba superstar opinion of his basketball team over anyone of these dudes
Draymond backed out of knickfan tv he didnt want the debate.
They need another knock down shooter not another star just a reliable shooter
Draymond need to humble himself and say thank you curry , klay , kd
Do we really need a Draymond podcast? Let's be real here
Booker for Randle + mutliple picks makes sense to me. Sun's need bigs and draft picks and Knicks need another volume scorer