Some Firewood Produces Excellent Wagon Hubs | Engels Coach Shop
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- While some firewood can provide a good source of wagon hub blanks, the type of wood and how well it had cured can influence the quality of useable hubs. I have a selection of American Elm logs that I had selected specifically for wagon hubs, but I had neglected to turn them into rounds soon enough, so much of this pile has to be left to the firewood pile. Since I supplement the shop heat with firewood, this is not a total loss. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles sometimes involves sourcing materials wherever you can find them.
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The "Bugs Bunny lathe"...start with a tree and end up with a tooth pick!..hilarious cartoon for those who remember it. Lol
For a minute there I thought you had stolen my chainsaw but when I saw you crank it on the first pull I knew that I was mistaken...LOL
I for one..appreciate this vid...makes everything honest...good days and bad days!
Mr Engels, just watched your video from Mar. 20th/2020 on the 3 phase wiring job, didn't want to comment on that video cause it being a year and a half old, you probably wouldn't see the comment. Not sure if you know this tip for those 3 phase plugs, but just run a strip of 1/2" colored, (yellow, red) tape along the male and female sides, and you never have to sight the plug ends together again. Great work you do and keep the videos coming. Love all that you post. Thanks Mr. Engels.
Great video Dave. I have NEVER been bored watching you and every video you show us is entertaining and informative. I don't think I will ever tire of watching your channel. Best Wishes as always from London, England.
Like seeing an honest man working
The practical information you're passing along from decades of personal experience is important to a whole lot of folks besides wagon builders. Anyone who works with wood will appreciate your advice on air drying hardwood. I'm thinking of my luthier friends who sometimes get tone woods for making instruments. It's nice to know about how long it takes to dry.
Awesome. I seen a neighbor had cut down a huge elm tree in their front yard. Was a massive pile of green logs cut to around 16 inches long. I stopped and asked if I could have some for wheel hubs. He said take all I want. So i got about 2/3 pickup bed full of wagon wheel diameter and buggy diameter. Brought them home and pealed the bark off and sealed the ends completely to around 2 inches down the sides with several coats of house paint. They've been setting in my garage out of the sun for 9-10 years now. Almost perfect condition with only a couple having very short fine checking. Have a couple farm wagons, one spring board type buggy and my favorite- a mountain wagon that i want to redo. Your videos have been a blessing. I've been tempted to contact you about doing some of the work. But I really want to do it myself as that's half the fun or challenge. I try to get every tidbit to help point me in the right direction. Thank you very much.
Dave says, cool. You've really been look in ahead.
I always wonder, how in your line of business, your back doesn't hurt constantly! You are an inspiration, Dave.
I think your channel is by far the most interesting on you tube,thanks
Years of experience - makes the chainsaw look easy :-)
So not only have you fooled us into watching a man sanding down wood, now we've watched him chain saw a bunch for firewood too. Nicely done sir!
من مصر نحييكم والله 🇪🇬👍😊
Nice to see these hubs are made out of Fred flintstone wheels cut in half
so see you back in 10 years when its time to make them into wagon hubs :)
I have enjoyed watching your videos. In another life, I would pursue a wagon project. The process and end results are fascinating.
For 40 I had a high end custom furniture shop in Seattle. So glad to be out of the city and back to the country. Should never have left. Next time traveling through I hope to visit your shop. Thanks for your videos.
Brad Gray
15:07 That's a very clever idea using brake rotors to compensate for the inaccurate ends of the log.
I love he took the time to paint them.
WOW.. brake rotors… thanks for mentioning
it also helps keep it a bit safer when turning large workpieces as the pressure is not reliant on one tiny spot of wood.
I thought they were there to help slow it down.
Dave, you’re inspirational. I just put my wife’s car on blocks and pulled the rotors. Now…all I need is a tree and a large lathe! Great work. Thank you for continuing to share your skills.
Just mount the wood onto your wife's drive wheel and use the car as a lathe
@@jginsberg1 You took the words right out of my mouth.
@@jginsberg1 I used a drill motor to turn a 4" X 4" into a globe for my flag staff.
You could have made them into a decorative wagon hub and sold it to the " California crowed " for more then a functional one !
Very ingenuous use of brake rotors for face plates!
I was wondering how he centered them but finally realized that he didn't have to do so. The ends don't even have to be square.
The problem will come if he ever needs a new brake rotor. He'll go into the modern auto parts store and the kid will want to know the make, model, 4x4, air condition, automatic or standard. Then tell him they don't have it and he can't sell him one.
Recycling, ............. it's all about recycling.
In England it’s well known the wagon builders and wheel wrights used to buy timber for the next generation to use. Stay safe everyone in Montana.
Episodes don’t have to be dramatic to be interesting, enjoyed that!
This is amazing :) greetings from Serbia
Near where my previous house in France was, at Vendenesse-les-Charolles (where the Charollais beef cattle originated), there was a large timber seasoning yard, supplying wood to the upmarket French cabinet maker, furniture and super yacht fitting out trade. For most of their timber, they had 24 hour sprinklers playing on the debarked logs but for the more valuable wood, walnut, maple, cherry, rosewood, imported mahogany etc, often for the veneer business, they matured them in a salt water pond. As this location is about as far from the sea as you can get in France, they had to make the sea water themselves, by adding sea salt to regular water.
it is a very particular man who lathe turns his firewood, for a neat and stable firewood pile and a straight fire. I always enjoy your work.
9 yrs 9 mo later I'm coming back to check on the follow-up video sir.
Hubba Hubba! A most enjoyable video. Aren't they all.
oh. please the chuck wagon so hope you document every nut and bolt and screw you use. so looking forward to this one
I lose track of my 'round-to-it's for so long they become square-to-it's!! Thanks again, Dave, for sharing!!
I put all my firewood logs in the lathe and turn them down before burning.
Wow I didn’t realize it took that long to dry. Amazing craftsmanship with everything he builds
Your video on making a Clock out of a wheel was super interesting. We love your videos.
Thanks
My family were wheelwrights, farriers and coachbuilders in England, and they used elm for the hubs, oak for the spokes and ash for the felloes. Elm was used because of its heliotropic growth.
10 is a mighty long time , 😎
Yes, Europian Elm too. Best regards from mid Europe
Thanks Mr. Engel !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I find it quite fascinating to watch you so willing to share your special gift, thank you so much…
Hello. I've not watched one of your vids in quite some time and that's my loss. It's clear you've advanced your YT techniques and I think the intersected pieces to camera are very strong. I also like that your speeded up spots help wiht the flow; also the wide shots show context and add atmosphere. You are a master of your craft and also are accomplised in communicating your passion and knowledge. Well done and thanks. Here it's clear that blank rounds are a long way from being hubs. Love your work.
Thank you for moving that pallet closer when you offloaded those rounds, my back was gonna hurt all night.
It is possible with fresh elm to bore the hole and then put them in a flowing stream for a couple of weeks to wash the sap out. This speeds things up. Brush any white mould off the ends if it forms. I use elm that has died and been left standing in the hedges for some years, it’s seasoned in the hedge and can be very good.
So used to seeing the inside of your shop that when you open the shop door, it's kind of a culture shock.
Another complete restoration series? Oh, I hope so.
Really enjoyed this episode!
I know the feeling! I just had a Yew bow (archery bow) I was making explode at 80 pounds draw weight due to bug damage in the sapwood. It did make a nice BANG tho' !
Nice to see you roughing down that Elm blank with an axe, it drives me nuts when I see people putting off centre timber onto a lathe and it's shaking about like crazy.
Love the crepuscular sun rays coming through the clouds! God’s rays!
Looking forward to watching you make hubs out of the blanks in 10 years.
Thank You from La Pine Oregon
Love your lathe!
You do more work in 5 minutes than any teenager would do in their entire life
Damn Millenials.
There are a few working teens left
Elm is what naval gun carriages were made from in the 18th and 19th century
Hi, hope I am around in ten years to see you make the hubs. Many thanks for all your very interesting videos. From Nr Liverpool UK.
I thought I was the only one who turned wood parts on my metal cutting South Bend lathe. I just blow off lathe and wd-40 it when I’m done. Cheers from Ohio.
Man,I want to be your apprentice.
Brake disk face plate. Cool!
That's a good use of a break disk
Hurrah ! Hurrah !
They talk about how planting trees is planning for the future. I never realized what a future oriented task it is to cut one down.
In the UK there are "Royal Forests" that have existed for hundreds of years. Every body thinks that these were there for the 'Nobility' to chase wild animals (and poachers :-), for the 'Hunt.' In reality, these were for growing timber for the wooden 'Men-O-War' in the nation's navy. (The hunting being a happy by-product :-).
The royal foresters worked with the Ship Writes from the Dock yards to identify specific trees that had trunks, branches and so on that were growing in a certain way, such as a Y or V shape that could be used mount on the keel, or an L shape that could be used to support the deck beams (known as "Knees'), for example, and once identified, they were 'encouraged' to keep growing in the desired pattern, and unwanted growth pruned away. The modern trend of 'Experimental Archaeology' (trying to replicate old building techniques to find out how they did it), has found that they could not properly build large wooden naval ships today, as the timber is not available, and where there might be some, it is still in the tree, green and unseasoned, and would need to age for a decade before use.
Those who planted these trees knew that they would be dead before their work would be used. With modern building methods, 2 or 3 years is the expectation. Then it was 2 or 3 DECADES!
Sorry, probably more information than you really wanted :-).
@Con Cahill Absolutely not tmi! Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. I can add a little fact: Some forty years before the planned falling date it was determined how the tree could best come down, e.g. to the north-west. To avoid damage to the valued forks and what not, which could easily break under the weight of the trunk as it would smash into the ground, another tree was planted. This tree had the sole purpose of breaking the fall of the bigger tree. (timber can also crack internally btw when it falls to hard; often this only comes to light in the saw mill).
@@Calligraphybooster That is not something that I had heard of, but that makes perfect sense. The sort of thing that gets forgotten, but is none the less very important.
If you have an interest in historical reconstruction, Tim Severin has done a series of projects that started with a "Myth/Legend" and then sought to explore wether they might have happened. The first, the Brendan Voyage follows an Irish Monk's voyage in the 6th Century in a leather boat to reach America. wordery.com/the-brendan-voyage-tim-severin-9780717139279?cTrk=MTg3NzczMzc1fDYwZjU5MWUyNTMzNjI6MToxOjYwZjU5MWQyYjlhMjc3LjA5MTQwMTg0OjZlNjE4YjYy
This is very readable and has many surprising conclusions.
This was followed by the "Jason Voyage" and "Sinbad Voyage," (I forget which came first). An example is the finding of 'The Golden Fleece:' In a particular river, locals leave a fleece, weighted down with rocks, in a stream bed. Small particles of gold get trapped in the wool, and can then be extracted. So another legend is proved true :-).
The detailed discussion of how these boats were originally constructed is fascinating, not to mention the challenges of recreating them, as most folks with the skills are well past retirement age!
"The Athenian Trireme" is a more recent project that had a great challenge in getting in the 3rd row of oars. wordery.com/the-athenian-trireme-j-s-morrison-9780521564564?cTrk=MTg3NzczMzkwfDYwZjU5MjQ4M2ZkY2U6MToxOjYwZjU5MWQyYjlhMjc3LjA5MTQwMTg0OmYzMTU0OWM2
These books demonstrate just how much our ancestors knew and understood, things that today we have NO idea about :-(.
Now I have found these in my library, I am thinking that I should reread them too!
@@coniow Thank you for these recomendations. I do not remember exactly, but I think it must have been in the late ‘70’s that I read The Brendan Voyage as I recall the title. I remember one of the crew being from the Far Oër, and that they realised they were sailing a delicious sandwich when an orca came cirkling around their lanoline impregnated hide covered boat. Great reading indeed! If time permits (many more books waiting…) I shall certainly come back to Severin’s other books. On the subject of experimental archeology: the grandfather of a good friend of mine is considered to be the first here in The Netherlands to have taken to experiment to explain the meaning of archeological finds. In Noord-Holland, the part of the province north of Amsterdam for example, many bovine shoulderblades were found, and it was not really clear why. Roelof Horreüs de Haas (then a teacher of biology at the Zwolle gymnasium) thought they might have been used as spades, and proved this by strapping a handle to them and putting them to use. Forensic analysis through comparison under a microscope proved him right; digging had indeed been their purpose. The Dutch soil is very favourable when it comes to preservation by the way. You might be interrested to look up what internet has to offer on the Zwammerdam barges (after where they were found). These are wooden boats used by the romans to transport building materials and luxury goods over the river Rhine, and (per sea-going vessel I suppose) also to England.
Have a nice evening! W.
@@Calligraphybooster Thank you for that! I shall have a look.
What a surprise Dave has a Makita electric chain saw.
Those holey/wormy ash blocks with a nice finish coat to bring out the character would make amazing coffee table legs/stool bases or maybe bowls etc instead of firewood
Yes,. Even though not good for hubs, I hate to see otherwise good wood used for fires.
And in this age such wood is increasingly hard to find. Maybe Dave could offer it up for others for a nominal fee plus H&S?
That warm feeling from a nice fire can be comforting on a cold winter evening.
Cheers !
Your video on making the Clock out of the wheel was very interesting.
We love watching your videos.
Jesus, 10 years, such a time investment..., thanks for the information, it's always good to know what you don't know.
At the machine shop I was working I have machined lots of wagons wheels for a friend on weekends , I used a lathe and a boring mills with a large CNC DIVIDER for the pockets , the wood was mostly oak .
In general if all was going very well in a Saturday I was able to do 4 complete center wheel finished.
The " Maybe... " had me thinking ohh no sanding! All in fun though.
Talk about forethought! As a metal fabricator & car builder I think the furthest out I may think is maybe a year….but 6-10 years WOW! That’s thinking ahead!
I LIKE THE WAY YOU ARE THINKING, GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO,/////SEE YOU NEXT WEEK/////
Excellent work
That's some beautiful country in your intro.
So glad to see you using a metal lathe to turn wood. That's just what I do!
Some firewood produces excellent wagon hubs and some intended hubs produce excellent firewood.:-)
In the distant past, I burned lots of American elm in my house furnace and a hydraulic splitter was the only way to split that stringy wood. Occasionally, I now find some red elm which I can split by hand if it is dry. As the old saying goes, firewood heats twice.
I think firewood heats 3 times if you collect it yourself. 1st when you gather, 2nd when you split it & 3rdly when burnt.
That’s interesting on how long it actually takes to dry out the wood for the hubs,
Thank You for showing it
Gracias x mostrarnos su trabajo
I did not know you had to age them for another ten years. Well you will have some wood to keep the shop warm next Winter. Thank you for sharing this with us. God bless.
Very interesting on air cavity in the rounds to aid curing I'd never heard or seen that before I'll have to try that! Thanks for another great video.
This made me think about my buddy's house. The second floor is supported by a crossed pair of 12x12's that I know for sure we're not cured over a year. That house is 40 years old. I advised him to use built up pieces rather than solid, but it's his house.
A channel called "Mr Chickadee" often used green timber in his construction. Very interesting process especially when building a nailess structure.
Having an expert confirm an idea I had that boring out the center of a log would reduce checking.
As a wood turner, firewood is a common source of supply. Anything that is tough to split gets turned. I find a product called Anchor Seal works well to prevent cracking and checking. It is a liquid wax type stuff that paints on that dries to a wax.
Filling those cracks with PVA and sawdust is useless. The glue requires a minimal gap (tight fit) and clamping to work. Epoxy would be better for just gap filling here.
@@spudpud-T67 Titebond 3 isn't PVA
@@richnfamous59 Sorry you're right,
Filling those cracks with Titebond 3 and sawdust is useless. The glue requires a minimal gap (tight fit) and clamping to work. Epoxy would be better for just gap filling here.
Good morning from SE Louisiana 17 Jul 21.
For many years now I had the idea of using wood glue and saw dust for filling cracks/splits in wood if I was going to be using it. I've never had the need but by golly, Mr. Engle, you sure proved me right in the use of it. Thanks for that! Peace, Love and Happiness to you and your family.
The glue and sawdust will do exactly nothing.
Makes you wonder how many of these you would have found in a wheelwrights shop at the turn of the century, given that wagons were more common and the drying time. Never thought about the amount of time taken to dry these or would they have kiln dried them to speed it up. Could result in more lost material but shorter time. Thanks very much for sharing.
This is the 2nd time I've watch this video, and came away with the same thought on your comment that some of these stumps will make good hubs in ten years. you do realize that the average patience span of the average man today is ten minutes right!. Not ten years. they can't conceive of even their own lives being fruitful in ten years ! way beyond their thought process. ha ha. but thanks for the solid info to the rest of us "Old Timers" . ECF
The beetle bore holes will make them dry faster
Go full circle and make wheels for a beetle -hehe
And… some would consider them “character” pieces… might even get a higher price! LOL
Hub stock is a good candidate for vacuum kiln drying. This process will dry these in mere days. TH-cam has all the information you need to construct the kiln.
Look at it this way… at least you got a head start on this year’s stockpile of firewood.
I don't think you can have too much firewood for a Montana winter.
I think it's fascinating to make things out of logs. Great video!
I think Dave can out-work any 5 guys, half his age.
If American Elm dies at a certain time of the year it drys yellow inside with hardly any cracks.
The wood is hard as a brick and has a brick like ringing sound when you throw them in together.
They would make you good hubs.
Hi Dave!
FACE PLATES from sourced brake rotors??...... HOW CLEVER IS THAT!!!!
I swear that you could make silk purses out of pigs ears!
Great job, Dave!
I ALWAYS look forward to your videos and commentary!
Best Wishes and GOD BLESS!
Gary
Thanks for sharing!
Boring the center hole is a good idea, I would not have thought of that.
Patience. Thanks for the video.
WOW! I had no idea it takes ten years to season the hub blanks. You have more patience than any man I have met. Very interesting.
Haha I never really started my career in so many things I do or would like to do never the less when I do something I strive to do it right and to make things I can be proud of and whether anyone knows who made it or not properly taken care of will last for years after I am gone !
Not to mention whoever owns it can be proud of what they have ! I greatly appreciate you sharing your nallage and tips even if I never build a bugy someone will benefit from what I have learned from you there have been several times I've come close to working on a bugy or two and I was able to do what was needed for those at that time thanks to you I know more and will be able to do a little more than I could before.
19:55 That’s exactly what I was thinking as you started this process, most of these blanks might be head scratchers at the retirement auction.
Edit: But, then again, someone of the previous generation planted that elm for you to use.
This inspired me to make an M16 from firewood.
Crikey Dave, that wood pile would be classified Snake Country down here.
Same here in Eastern Oregon, Idaho, Montana, etc. You never know when a rattlesnake is hiding in the wood pile, LOL. There was one next to my house a couple weeks ago.....
Having listened to your comments maybe you might agree that some wagon hubs make excellent firewood .
I do not know about other species of elm, but American elm has crosslinking in the wood that prevents splitting. This allows it to grow in the "vase" shape with deep crotches where the main stems split from each other. It cannot be planned easily. I have worked with it. I made my dining room table out of it. The table top had to be sanded because it could not be planed.
I had the same issue- made a display counter for a farm shop from old farm felled elm that had seasoned for about 40 years. It just laughed at any plane I showed it. It felt like vandalism to take a belt sander and 60grit to it.
Turned out pretty nice at the end. The grain was beautiful
With the heat you guys are getting i don't think you will be needing any fire wood any time soon.
This was a great education for us laymen.
I like Your brakerotor-centering method for wobbly cut logs. I'm gonna try that on the monster lathe I recently dragged into the bigger shop I finally got .... Thanks for sharing all that precious technology You gained over the -years- decades.
There's a few woodturners out there that would have turned those beetle eaten blanks into an overpriced vase :D
Im guessing you aren't a Turner.
if it holds water it's a bowl. If it leaks, it's art.