We sort of do, but it's so complex that you gotta download a hugely complex 3GB app that only works on Windows, and even then it only works 30% of the time. Keep pushing that envelope, Razer! ✌️
B b b buttt, you can save your profile settings in the cloud! And when you want to use your keyboard on different computer you can directly sync your settings. Kappa
@@mustafavurkac1650 I got a razer mouse that I configured with synapse and now I don't install it anymore because the settings are saved in the mouse. It still prompts me to install it every time I plug it into a USB port though (at least not every time I turn on the pc). I don't remember if I had to log in
I recently bought (shitty) Logitech G200 (or G203 or something like that) mouse to replace my old Logitech mice - g400. Now mouse works normally with just a plugin, but it has this TERRIBLE rainbow colored LED lights that are permanently ON. So I tried to find solution to turn them off, and it turns out you need to download Logitech 200mb malware, that probably works in background all the time. So I just opened mouse with screwdriver so I can pull out out LEDs. But they are soldered. Then I tried to cut them with cutting pliers. But I couldn't reach adequately to get a good cut on them. So in the end I pulled out Makita Grinder (it doesn't need any drivers to work) I destroyed the LEDs, as in they were grinded to dust, without damaging plastic mouse chassis, cables or board. I plugged in the mouse and it works fine, now without shitty LED lights (mouse is still garbage BTW). Later I found out that you can download Logitech driver, turn off the lights and then uninstall the driver and LED lights would stay off. But I still would choose the grinder option, just out of principle and satisfaction. In my mind, even going to workshop is and shuffling through tools is less of bullshit then downloading drivers. F U C K E M U C K E M
Use Logitech's Onboard Memory Manager (name of the program from Logitech). ~10MB and it does all of that (LED, button reassignment, onboard profiles) without needing a login and without needing a program running in the background. The mouse already has its own flash memory onboard. OMM was a major factor in why I chose a Logitech to replace my Corsair M65 mouse after the M65 broke.
for anyone reading this in the future, the way i personally dealt with it when i had a g203 was by installing the crapware on some computer i was going to format anyways, change the light settings and every single piece of shit default setting to something that made sense, and then moved on with my life, because thankfully, the fucking mouse saves those settings internally so it doesn't need to access the cloud or any other stupid bullshit to be able to work once you configure it. just don't plug it into any computer that has logitech's crapware because it will erase ALL settings as soon as it detects it for some fucking reason, my best guess being that if it detects that the settings were written by an older version of the program, then it has some kind of sense of duty of needing to fucking you up to the best of its ability to assert dominance or something.
Let me tell you about Razer products. Way, waaaay back in 2004 I bought a 1st gen Razer Diamondback and that's what happened: The logo started rubbing off after a month, the LMB started double-clicking on its own right outside the warranty period and at the same time the silicon / rubber edges started fraying. But the best part was: You couldn't properly remap Mouse 4, Mouse 5, Mouse 6 and Mouse 7. Mouse 4 and mouse 5, usually on the same side under the thumb, were on opposite sides of the mouse (thumb and pinky) due to the ambidextrous nature, I suppose - and I use the buttons frequently while browsing (for Back and Forward). I messaged Razer support and they replied that being unable to remap the buttons was a hardware-design problem that couldn't be fixed in their Assblaster 9000 customization software and that was it... Until I installed Microsoft's Intellimouse drivers and they detected the Diamondback as some Intellimouse thing perfectly and let me remap Mouse 4 to back and Mouse 6 to forward without any hassle! I never bought another Razer product again...
@@0ia Isn't that basically 99% of computer peripherals on the market? I feel like sometimes when you just stop caring and buy some $8 cheap crap mouse/keyboard and it decides that it will outlive everything else you own just out of sheer spite because you thought you would just use it for a bit and then replace it.
I half expected Jon to just cut the traces powering the leds on the pcb to avoid all this shitty software but I'm also quite happy with how this ended as well
Its the reason I love Ducky keyboards. They look nice, build like tanks, no disco lights nor sheit software. Expensive sure, but after 2 years I can barely tell the keycaps have been in use.
Why I bought a Filco Majestouch ^. Plain black. No fancy macro keys. No fancy lights. No bullshit software to install. Weighs 5 pounds with sturdy rubber feet. Nice switches.
@@FranciscoGarcia-jp1hp its like saying a 50000$ kata handcrafted by a master craftsman is the same as a 500$ walmart one. it's simply not true, ur chinese keyboard is a million times worse quality. now, filco is not amazing either but for a retail keyboard that u dont have to fiddle around to make it work, its amazing
This keyboards software installation, is like half the size of the entire hard drive on the first computer I used at my friends house when I was a kid.
Funny enough FN+F11 works but its like the volume bar, you have to press like 7 times and it gets dimmer and dimmer until its off completely. I also have a razer keyboard
Maybe it does, but as you can see, the crap that you need to install on your system along with the keyboard itself makes for quite the "experience", even if you do not want one.
@@crystyxn why you have to install something for that simple action? Just as a reminder, Razer Cortex is such a crapware that Razer itself stopped to push it cause a lot of ppl were outraged by the amount of computer resources this electron-based shit eats. 0, I mean really absolute ZERO hardware vendors can do software, so I completely understand people who don't want to install that garbage on their computers. And still yes, I'm on Razer side too because I believe that they changed their focus lately. But any reasonable person have to admin that Cortex and "Login to use" is unforgiveable. Not Synapse itself is bad, but the fact you have to create an account to change your keyboard backlight is terrible. It shold be forbidden legally, really.
Trend Micro antivirus is so boldly obscene that it hogs 33% of my surface's CPU even when the task manager is visible. But I'm sure I've seen some programs cause the fans to churn and suspiciously go quiet the moment the table is open. Also my keyboard; Logitech wireless old-fashioned battery-operated keyboard and mouse with USB dongle. $45 seven years ago. Still goes fine. The only thing Razer I have is a solid mousepad, which I must've acquired before they made every rock and stick internet-enabled.
my same experience with razor keyboard. i seem to have better luck with cheaper keyboards on amazon. for some reason other manufacturers were able to put al the lighting software into the keyboard itself and at a cheaper price. NICE. this is ideal.
I'm so happy I have the old Razer Abyssus and I bought a second one a while back. Not going to buy any new Razer mice or I will have to install software just to it.. I actually has additional driver software to adjust the mouse settings, but none of that razer synapse make an account to use a mouse crap.
i bought a razor headset, and installed and created an account and everything. i had to delete razor "engine" software, because it was clugging my windows startup, it designed so bad as a service, it holds every other services until it pulls some data from internet.. headsets, mouse and keyboards used to be plug and play devices
Chyrosran22 hates Cherry MX Blue switches right? It's interesting that Jon prefers them and has really high standards in general. Is Jon wrong or is Chyrosan wrong or is it just taste?
So I've been using razer for like a decade. I just wanted a keyboard and mouse with decent enough macros. They USED to do that. Then they had all these color options and I selected a profile I liked. Then the various games forced my keyboard lighting to change and I hated that. Now razer's macros... as of like 3 years ago... don't work properly and I need to restart to get them functioning again... like twice a day or more, which then causes me to deal with Windows BS a lot more often, love them daily updates. I generally tell everyone to boycott Razer until they actually have their programs functioning. I honestly hope the company burns now.
My lord, I still remember how I wrote my own mimimal usb communicator to control lighting on macos in C, because I couldn't even install the bloatware. You could, but still weren't allowed to change them. It's like razer doesn't need happy customers, so I guess just never buy from them again, :).
Razer software is bloated and cludgey, but I don't agree with Bolog here, having the option to pick and choose what installs are included with synapse is a good user experience. If you don't want RGB bloat, you don't need it taking up space (granted, the size of these features is only a few megabytes)
I used to love my Razor mouse. Then they added the forced login thing. I now use a steelseries which is better but still not perfect. Why do these companies think they should invade my world? I just want to move a cursor around at a set speed.
I bought a razer keyboard too and I never would have installed that synapse garbage if the lights weren't annoying by default. Makes me wonder if JB is attributing to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.
Yeap, the hardware and software are being hyped driven development by ‘wanna work in IT for six figures salary, talk shit on the conferences, sell my face’ people. And for now I could’t use even news site without logging via facebook, google, o whatever crap they picked to log in.
The sad part is that everyone does this nowadays, even Nivida, Why do you have to sign into their shitty shit Nvidia experience just to tweak game settings and auto-update to the latest driver?!?!?! With that being said, uninstalled it a year ago and doing manual updates ever since.
@@tiranito2834 i guess he prefers the extra space i just got a 60 percent keyboard (no numpad, no arrow key and above section, and no F1-F12 keys), and i'm loving its compactness
"My preferred keyboard is one that has no user experience".
Jon should do more tech reviews.
xD
After this, Jon decided that he would design his own keyboard from scratch.
Well at least it's not that hard
I did that once; it actually wasn't that hard
its pretty basic
You guys who are saying its not that hard, you didnt design a keyboard from scratch. You assembled a keyboard from predesigned parts.
@@sagitswag1785 it's still super ez with a 3d printer
If only we had the technology to turn lights on and off
We sort of do, but it's so complex that you gotta download a hugely complex 3GB app that only works on Windows, and even then it only works 30% of the time. Keep pushing that envelope, Razer! ✌️
@@cthudo openrgb?
TBF- being forced to sign in to your keyboard is fucking hilarious
I love that someone knowledgable like Jon Blow basically has the same reaction as my mom has when faced with stupid shit like this.
A few years later, people will wonder why Jon's programming language doesn't have any w in it.
Soon to be released "The itness 2"
Kind regards,
John Blo
This is perhaps the best tech review I’ve watched in my life 😂
Best part after he killed Synapse it's still there in the Task Manager. Worse than roaches.
thats actually hilarious
Jon was having quite the user experience.
Having a program that you need to login in order to change stuff on a keyboard is really the worst design choice possible
Geforce experience says hi
having to create an account, verify your email address, and THEN login before you can use your keyboard
B b b buttt, you can save your profile settings in the cloud! And when you want to use your keyboard on different computer you can directly sync your settings.
Kappa
@@mustafavurkac1650 I got a razer mouse that I configured with synapse and now I don't install it anymore because the settings are saved in the mouse. It still prompts me to install it every time I plug it into a USB port though (at least not every time I turn on the pc). I don't remember if I had to log in
@@igorswies5913and you still have their account :)
This is better than any unboxing video out there
We're gonna have a skippy W key
1:25 I only just now realized that the driver setup tries to install a cryptominer.
Reduces GPU lifetime at the cost of user ignorance!
Good thing he didn't notice, that keyboard would have went flying sooner.
b bbb bb u t its razer
This is one of those keyboards Amazon will later sell as "unused".
200mb keyboard driver. WTF.
Another chrome browser used to paint pixels.
That's 150MB of runtime libraries. The rest is most likely high res images and poorly compressed javascript code.
That's more than entire kernel with drivers to all devices supported by it.
Wow, he seems to really like it!
Dog bless. This is the best review I've seen for a while
This is true comedy
Someone put appropriate music over this
Notice to everyone: If I'm not watching this video, I'm dead
@@MenkoDany pls respond
@@ranger.1 he dead
I recently bought (shitty) Logitech G200 (or G203 or something like that) mouse to replace my old Logitech mice - g400. Now mouse works normally with just a plugin, but it has this TERRIBLE rainbow colored LED lights that are permanently ON. So I tried to find solution to turn them off, and it turns out you need to download Logitech 200mb malware, that probably works in background all the time. So I just opened mouse with screwdriver so I can pull out out LEDs. But they are soldered. Then I tried to cut them with cutting pliers. But I couldn't reach adequately to get a good cut on them. So in the end I pulled out Makita Grinder (it doesn't need any drivers to work) I destroyed the LEDs, as in they were grinded to dust, without damaging plastic mouse chassis, cables or board. I plugged in the mouse and it works fine, now without shitty LED lights (mouse is still garbage BTW).
Later I found out that you can download Logitech driver, turn off the lights and then uninstall the driver and LED lights would stay off. But I still would choose the grinder option, just out of principle and satisfaction. In my mind, even going to workshop is and shuffling through tools is less of bullshit then downloading drivers.
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Use Logitech's Onboard Memory Manager (name of the program from Logitech). ~10MB and it does all of that (LED, button reassignment, onboard profiles) without needing a login and without needing a program running in the background. The mouse already has its own flash memory onboard. OMM was a major factor in why I chose a Logitech to replace my Corsair M65 mouse after the M65 broke.
for anyone reading this in the future, the way i personally dealt with it when i had a g203 was by installing the crapware on some computer i was going to format anyways, change the light settings and every single piece of shit default setting to something that made sense, and then moved on with my life, because thankfully, the fucking mouse saves those settings internally so it doesn't need to access the cloud or any other stupid bullshit to be able to work once you configure it. just don't plug it into any computer that has logitech's crapware because it will erase ALL settings as soon as it detects it for some fucking reason, my best guess being that if it detects that the settings were written by an older version of the program, then it has some kind of sense of duty of needing to fucking you up to the best of its ability to assert dominance or something.
the key to success in game development is not having too many W's in your program
THIS IS THE BEST FINAL EVER
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Keyboard is gone
i was anticipating the final reaction and Jonathan didn't disappoint me ⌨💨😎
Let me tell you about Razer products. Way, waaaay back in 2004 I bought a 1st gen Razer Diamondback and that's what happened: The logo started rubbing off after a month, the LMB started double-clicking on its own right outside the warranty period and at the same time the silicon / rubber edges started fraying.
But the best part was: You couldn't properly remap Mouse 4, Mouse 5, Mouse 6 and Mouse 7. Mouse 4 and mouse 5, usually on the same side under the thumb, were on opposite sides of the mouse (thumb and pinky) due to the ambidextrous nature, I suppose - and I use the buttons frequently while browsing (for Back and Forward).
I messaged Razer support and they replied that being unable to remap the buttons was a hardware-design problem that couldn't be fixed in their Assblaster 9000 customization software and that was it... Until I installed Microsoft's Intellimouse drivers and they detected the Diamondback as some Intellimouse thing perfectly and let me remap Mouse 4 to back and Mouse 6 to forward without any hassle! I never bought another Razer product again...
Same experience. Been through multiple razer products: build quality is poor and defects show within a few months to a year.
@@0ia Isn't that basically 99% of computer peripherals on the market? I feel like sometimes when you just stop caring and buy some $8 cheap crap mouse/keyboard and it decides that it will outlive everything else you own just out of sheer spite because you thought you would just use it for a bit and then replace it.
I half expected Jon to just cut the traces powering the leds on the pcb to avoid all this shitty software but I'm also quite happy with how this ended as well
There's OpenRGB for exactly that, and that alone: to turn off the lights without installing the badware.
The correct response tbh.
Its the reason I love Ducky keyboards. They look nice, build like tanks, no disco lights nor sheit software. Expensive sure, but after 2 years I can barely tell the keycaps have been in use.
Leopold and Varmilo are good also.
Why I bought a Filco Majestouch ^. Plain black. No fancy macro keys. No fancy lights. No bullshit software to install. Weighs 5 pounds with sturdy rubber feet. Nice switches.
Unicomp Model M
@@dandymcgee Weighs 5 pounds lol I've got a cheap chinese mech 60% that is the same
@@FranciscoGarcia-jp1hp its like saying a 50000$ kata handcrafted by a master craftsman is the same as a 500$ walmart one. it's simply not true, ur chinese keyboard is a million times worse quality. now, filco is not amazing either but for a retail keyboard that u dont have to fiddle around to make it work, its amazing
This keyboards software installation, is like half the size of the entire hard drive on the first computer I used at my friends house when I was a kid.
I like how angry he gets because of things like this. I look at him and I can see myself. :-D Oh, it's so funny and relatable!
Soon to be released "The itness 2"
XDDDDD
USB with none of the benefits of plug and play! great
I wish everyone reacted like this. The spyware would vanish, insta
Funny enough FN+F11 works but its like the volume bar, you have to press like 7 times and it gets dimmer and dimmer until its off completely. I also have a razer keyboard
Maybe it does, but as you can see, the crap that you need to install on your system along with the keyboard itself makes for quite the "experience", even if you do not want one.
@@diggerkropkapl whats your point? cant install a simple program?
@@crystyxn why you have to install something for that simple action? Just as a reminder, Razer Cortex is such a crapware that Razer itself stopped to push it cause a lot of ppl were outraged by the amount of computer resources this electron-based shit eats. 0, I mean really absolute ZERO hardware vendors can do software, so I completely understand people who don't want to install that garbage on their computers.
And still yes, I'm on Razer side too because I believe that they changed their focus lately. But any reasonable person have to admin that Cortex and "Login to use" is unforgiveable. Not Synapse itself is bad, but the fact you have to create an account to change your keyboard backlight is terrible. It shold be forbidden legally, really.
@@crystyxn there's nothing simple about that proprietary bloatware, malware, and (most likely) spyware
Trend Micro antivirus is so boldly obscene that it hogs 33% of my surface's CPU even when the task manager is visible. But I'm sure I've seen some programs cause the fans to churn and suspiciously go quiet the moment the table is open.
Also my keyboard; Logitech wireless old-fashioned battery-operated keyboard and mouse with USB dongle. $45 seven years ago. Still goes fine. The only thing Razer I have is a solid mousepad, which I must've acquired before they made every rock and stick internet-enabled.
back to the wallmart keyboard we go
>can write a game engine and a language compiler from scratch
>buys new keyboard instead of replacing one switch
my same experience with razor keyboard. i seem to have better luck with cheaper keyboards on amazon. for some reason other manufacturers were able to put al the lighting software into the keyboard itself and at a cheaper price. NICE. this is ideal.
I don't know how he didn't anticipate this when he bought it
Agreed with him on every part of that
this is like therapy for me
That's why you only buy Razer products once.
I am never gonna buy the razer product ever.
This is my reaction to the software I needed to control the colors and speeds of the fans in the PC I built
Pretty fucking based
i had fun.. watching this
Omg I love this.
But dude our R&D spend 30 million on the LED backlight , y u wanna turn it off :'(
I'm so happy I have the old Razer Abyssus and I bought a second one a while back. Not going to buy any new Razer mice or I will have to install software just to it.. I actually has additional driver software to adjust the mouse settings, but none of that razer synapse make an account to use a mouse crap.
I hate this too.
I'm sure some they will have keyboards with led panels with ads that stop allowing you to type until you finish watching an ad
He raged quit on thr keyboard!
enhance your experiences™
i bought a razor headset, and installed and created an account and everything. i had to delete razor "engine" software, because it was clugging my windows startup, it designed so bad as a service, it holds every other services until it pulls some data from internet.. headsets, mouse and keyboards used to be plug and play devices
That's why I love my Model M. Perfect for programming. Not so good for gaming though.
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Chyrosran22 hates Cherry MX Blue switches right? It's interesting that Jon prefers them and has really high standards in general. Is Jon wrong or is Chyrosan wrong or is it just taste?
@@BlowFan I'd say it's a bit of both. I have a keyboard with Cherry MX switches, and for me they're anywhere from “good enough” to “meh”.
Jon smashed keyboard
Everyone liked that
Why is this so hilarious xD
So I've been using razer for like a decade. I just wanted a keyboard and mouse with decent enough macros. They USED to do that. Then they had all these color options and I selected a profile I liked. Then the various games forced my keyboard lighting to change and I hated that.
Now razer's macros... as of like 3 years ago... don't work properly and I need to restart to get them functioning again... like twice a day or more, which then causes me to deal with Windows BS a lot more often, love them daily updates.
I generally tell everyone to boycott Razer until they actually have their programs functioning. I honestly hope the company burns now.
My lord, I still remember how I wrote my own mimimal usb communicator to control lighting on macos in C, because I couldn't even install the bloatware. You could, but still weren't allowed to change them. It's like razer doesn't need happy customers, so I guess just never buy from them again, :).
Anyone know what keyboard he uses now (beyond it using Cherry Blue switches)?
Thank God Varmilo keyboards exist
Wtf 24 cpus?
Yeah it was a high end intel CPU
I wonder if LSP can fix that
BASED
Best tech review ever 👌 😂
Why do you need keyboard driver? Just press fn+ctrl+1 :)
tl;dr: why is the modern IT ecosystem so freakin fucked???
Zero tolerance! Ganz genau
Razer software is bloated and cludgey, but I don't agree with Bolog here, having the option to pick and choose what installs are included with synapse is a good user experience. If you don't want RGB bloat, you don't need it taking up space (granted, the size of these features is only a few megabytes)
When nvidia decided we bad to sign in to update the drivers. I guess ill stick to old drivers then...
You don't have to sign in, just download the appropriate driver directly. No need for geforce
Why did Jon assume the cooling fan has to stop immediately after closing the source of overheating?
If you don't have an extra huge radiator it does cool down quite quickly, in a matter of seconds on full fans
because that's how cooling works
i feel that
I've seen programmers rage out worse on their keyboards.. like literally pound it with fists!
i tried doing this in linux, believe it or not it's like 100x worse
I got gifted a razer mouse, tried turning off the light and had exactly the same experience. Horrible.
my wifi keyboard is responding pretty bad sometimes.
YEET
this is partly why i still use the $5 keyboards. avsolutly 0 user experiense. that and $40 buckw gets you a lifetime supply of keyboards.
should have come with clap on clap off tech
hilarious
He may be paranoid enough to be our next Terry Davis
Goddamn.
I used to love my Razor mouse. Then they added the forced login thing. I now use a steelseries which is better but still not perfect. Why do these companies think they should invade my world? I just want to move a cursor around at a set speed.
I bought a razer keyboard too and I never would have installed that synapse garbage if the lights weren't annoying by default. Makes me wonder if JB is attributing to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice.
You have to wonder if he ever experiences any joy whatsoever.
You suggest one lowers their own standards for that to happen?
I'm sure he gets joy out of his chai lattes, experimental dancing and deleting bad code.
Bad software and bad hardware do not bring joy.
stf1_1 you h0pe1ess m0r@n
Try Topre Realforce 87u
Damn, Jonathan made a mistake, never buy stuff from Razer... it's pure marketing.
he just should've bought a reputable Chinese Mech keyboard.
Varmilo and Leopold are good.
When you become a millionaire you afford to do shit like this
Yeap, the hardware and software are being hyped driven development by ‘wanna work in IT for six figures salary, talk shit on the conferences, sell my face’ people. And for now I could’t use even news site without logging via facebook, google, o whatever crap they picked to log in.
Can't even watch a movie on itunes without getting an apple id, phone verification, adding postal service details and all that crap. Good god!
@@trolledwoods377 Watching a movie does seem more involved than reading a news site... but that is still too much trouble, absolutely.
Too much complexity. I totally agree that we need to stop investing in this crap thats designed to fail.
Hey look, the reason I don't buy Razor products anymore. I got one and done. Never again
lol
The sad part is that everyone does this nowadays, even Nivida, Why do you have to sign into their shitty shit Nvidia experience just to tweak game settings and auto-update to the latest driver?!?!?! With that being said, uninstalled it a year ago and doing manual updates ever since.
Just...just get an IBM Model M. There are also some really faithful buckling spring replicas on the market.
Here to spread the good word of the Unicomp Model M
he doesn't want a numpad on his keyboards
@@shallex5744 wtf why. If that is the case, that has to be the only thing I will ever disagree with from all of Jon's takes lol.
@@tiranito2834 i guess he prefers the extra space
i just got a 60 percent keyboard (no numpad, no arrow key and above section, and no F1-F12 keys), and i'm loving its compactness
lmfao
No one told him the keyboard is actually designed for such lighting? Haha
hahahahahahah nice
Lol
One of my favorite genres of video is middle aged nerds getting pissed at some tech bullshit.
Its much better to use old mechanic keyboard)