During his last season Kimmo Timonen suffered from two bloodcloths that almost took him out the game. He was not able to play without heavy medication and he had to sign waivers that he knowingly plays with a possible life threatening condition, and without it he was not able to play at all during his final season. He did play a small role but he was in average condition and had been off the game for a good chunk of games. Yes, his final season was bad, but he was still a very good player. Too bad he won the cup after his worst seasons ever.
And if the Blackhawks would of lost in the finals that year, it would of been thrown in his face and he would of been blamed for it. If you're not healthy, than stay off the ice. He's just lucky his health issues weren't a hindrance.
@@A_10_PaAng_111 Why would anyone blame him? That Blackhawks team was loaded, and Timonen knew his place. He played very small third pairing minutes while players like Seabrook and Keith played 30 minutes a game. He was never the one to blame. He played very good defensive game throughout the playoffs. And show me a player in the playoffs who is not healthy and I'll show you an unicorn.
Kimmo Timonen produced over 0,5 PPG on average throughout his NHL career. As a defenceman. I promise there are literally hundreds of worse players who have won the cup. He had severe health problems during his last season. Edit: You really put him on the same list with the likes of George Parros, Dan Carcillo and Aaron Downey? What an absolute disgrace.
He was captain of Nashville predators and a five time all-star(played in four). Signed a six year $37.8m contract with Philly and after that was five seasons philly's best defenseman with players like Chris pronger on the team. Played in five olympics etc.. .. So must've been great sh*t this guy was smoking while doing this vid.
The author of this video did not understand the respect the Hawks had for Timonen. Otherwise, they would not have picked him in the trade. The reason for not taking a lot of blocks was that he never was a blocker and at the last season Timonen had suffered from blood clots. Taking the shots might have been crucial for him. As a player Timonen was a skilled defender being capable to strip the opponent the puck, play the puck and give that opening pass. You did not blame Cale Makar to take blocks in 2022 play offs, on the contrary. In my view Timonen was pretty similar player. Maybe not as skilled, but almost.
The fact that you’re calling kimmo a “worst player” to win the cup is a fucking joke…. His career speaks for itself, Maybe this title should be “players with the worse season to win the cup”
garbage list. this guy has no clue. Basically everyone on this list had long and valuable careers even if their points didn't show it. Timmonen was one of the best all around defencemen to ever play. His final season was ruined by multiple blood clots. Thornton played in the nhl for 15 years for a reason. guys like Thornton and Parros contribute so much more than points. Carcillo went to the cup finals 4 out of 6 playoff appearances. He even scored OT winners in the playoffs.
Yikes. Can't get behind this video if it's gonna open up with Kimmo Timonen. And then its going to call out +/- and how many shots he blocked? These are junk stats. At least get into the more real stuff. Now, I can't say I know what his advanced metrics looked like that playoff season, but you're missing context on the Hawks defensemen on that run. They were beaten up and thinned down dramatically. The Hawks were essentially riding on just 4 defensemen in the Cup Final: Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, & Oduya. Roszival would have been there too, but he suffered a season ending injury a few rounds earlier. And in the Final, ODuya also ended up getting injured, although kept playing through it. So basically 3.5 defensemen. Timonen's value was to be as low event as possible. Nope, he didn't produce, and nope, he didn't block many shots. But that's because while he was out there, basically nothing happened either way, which is actually a best case scenario concerning your bottom pair defensemen. He didn't need to be a hero, he just needed to maintain status quo so that his teammates that were being double shifted could catch a breather. His play on the ice was generally fine. I don't think anyone in Chicago was ever claiming he was a problem for the team. But on the whole: Every team wins a Stanley Cup because of some players and in spite of others. There's not a team in the world to win the Championship that didn't have a player that was just along for the ride, dragging the team down.
Hey buddy, don't take this the wrong way but you can't call someone "the worst player" when teams actually pick these players to play a "sandpaper" game. They are role players and every team has a 4th line in the NHL. As for Timonen, he averaged over 0.5 point per game through his career. It would be like saying that Raymond Bourque was the worst player to ever win the cup because he wasn't the same 60-80 points player a year in his last season. You are not making friends here as either your tittle is wrong or the content behind the tittle is wrong.
Kimmo was awesome and had a track record for being a very reliable dman. He suffered 2 blood clots that season that forced him out of action for a while. Average play for half a season doesn't make him anywhere near the worst.
Kimmo Timonen worst player to win? Hell Timonen was better than most of the 2022 winner Colorado Avalanche players and you call him worst winner?!? He had rough last season because of the health issues, but still thats just absurd.
The title is a bit misleading as Timonen was a good player for years instead of being one of the "worst players" to win a cup even though the year he actually won he didn't do well.
Shawn Thornton was a HUGE character guy on that 2011 cup-winning Bruins team. That was a team that went back to the finals again in 2013. When looking solely at numbers, yes, he may well have been the last ranked guy on the roster, but his contribution as a leader in the locker room can’t be understated. He actually really helped Brad Marchand break out, too. Their chemistry on the “Merlot line” (4th) was the talk of the town throughout that entire run!
I was gonna give your video a chance that was until you had the audacity to put the name Kimo Timmonen on a list as one of “the worst” players to win a cup. Injuries took a toll on him at the end, I watched this man for years and only thing I wished was he started his career as a flyer. It’s one thing to have an opinion but this …….
Burish was on the 4th line for Chicago with Eager, and Brouwer. They were the stoppers/pests that Coach Q rolled out against the Wings and Canucks and it gave them fits, he contributed in a big way
Apparently "ever" really is only the last 12 or 13 years. That's what happens when you want to pump videos out without doing proper research into making them
The amount of hits per game is quite misleading as they play so few minutes.. to actually get in more than 1 hit in 4 min played is actually quite impressive as most guys tried to avoid them
As a B's fan... I don't care what Thornton had for points. He was a 4th line player that brought so much to the team. His presence was invaluable. 2011 would not be the same w/o him. God bless you Shawn!
Very disrespectful to Kimmo Timonen, who may still be considered an underrated defender in the NHL. Especially when you have the title "the worst players". All players also fulfill a function in a team and if you are now going to throw crap at Chicago, there are better examples to bring, such as Kyle Cumiskey, David Rundblad or Jordan Hendry. They weren't bad but never made a mark in the NHL, they were just along for the ride so to speak.
It's also fun that Daniel Carcillo is so hated. But during his career that was 429 games long, he managed to win the Stanley Cup twice. In addition, he also played in the finals with the Flyers in 2010 and lost to the team he would later win with.
Slovak player Jiří Bicek won the Stanley Cup with the Devils in 2003 while only scoring 11 points that season and in total he had 13 in 62 games. Martin Cibák won with the Lightning in 2004 and had 9 points, in total he had 23.
The video solidified to me that this creator doesn’t watch/follow hockey and is mostly reciting Wiki bios and stat sheets. Timonen was a great player who soldiered on through serious health issues for one last shot at the Cup AND it paid off! Overall my issue with this video is that you call these players “the worst” but comparative to the expectations/roles they were meant to play that seems a little unfair. The gist of this video is: don’t be a fourth liner or a 6-7 D-man
there are 106 years of stanley cup finals. do you really think the worst of all time are really from the last 20 years? come on man, you can't be that simple.
to be fair kimmo timonen onyl played 16 games in the 14-15 regular season due to blood clot issues. Aside from 14-15 he did get to triple digit numbers in goals overall with 117 which is solid for a defenseman
I doubt you can win the Stanley Cup without some contribution from every single player on that team, mabee certain players were great teammates or great in the dressing room. It's not always about goals, assists and saves. Team chemistry plays a big part.
Thank you for putting Timonen as the first player on this list. Now I can stop watching this immediately because it's the worst fucking list I have ever seen on my entire life.
"Parros only appeared in just 5 games." If you use "only", you dont need to use "just". If you use "just", you don't need to use "only" "Parros only appeared in 5 games" "Parros appeared in just 5 games." Several instances where you did this.
This is an odd topic and very difficult to really explore, however if you were to do a similar one why not go for something like the top 10 worst or over rated goalies to win the cup. I really enjoy your channel an i'm happy to sub and like, thanks.
To be fair, Shawn Thornton was on a TEAM of enforcers on the Ducks... they also had George Parros, Joe Dipenta, AND Brad May on that team, a very physical squad that season. You should have given that "honor" to Aaron Rome, a perennial AHL/NHL call up call down... who played only a single playoff game for the Ducks that run, didn't get his name engraved but still got a ring and got to skate with it on the ice when they won. I remember one of my coaches saying "Aaron Rome isn't getting called up more to the NHL because he's fat and lazy."
Worst is definitely Joe Motzko 25 games in the league, 4 goals, 2 assists. 3 of the 25 games were in the playoffs for the Ducks in which he scored 0 points and took a penalty. That was enough to get his name engraved on the Cup
A bit of a stretch to even mention Timonen. I accept your logic, basing it on stats, but if you dig deeper you could see he was not bad based on circumstances. As the circumstances were such that it was an achievement to even be on the ice. Bloodcloths at the age of 38-39 (he turned 40 the same year they won) is not a thing to just shake off. Therefore I would not count him, but as I said, you are basing this on stats and therefore I can buy it. Statistically it did look quite bad for a Cup-winner
It's annoying how you pick random stats to make your case He does not score in his last 4 games He did not have a point and played only 3 minutes per game He was the worst among players that played at least 11 game
Thornton was a beast and the Bruins Merlot Line were instrumental in the 2011 Cup win. He had 41 hits and quite frankly his contributions did not really show up in the box score...to say he was the worst is absurd.
Thornton deserved the Cup with the Bruins!! Ya he didn't contribute much on scoresheet in playoffs but he was still a big part in them winning the Cup by defending and clearing room for his teammates to score!
Anyone who talks to me about playoffs and then uses hyphenated years , I'll just walk away . This is a brutal list. Many of these players won multiple cups , and believe me , 16 wins ,. That's a team contribution. No matter what your role is. Having international hall of famer on this list is just downright wrong. Imagine , a hall of famer, coming back from major medical condition and playing for a Stanley cup champion ,. And then you call him the worst player to ever win a cup. No friggin way
This is a bad list. The Stanley Cup is over a 100 years old but the 7 worst players to win it were 6 enforcers and a dman who play in 4 all star games, all on the last 15 years? This list is grossly under researched and you clearly don’t understand the role enforcers used to play
Yet some flyers fans still talk about hexy like he was a terrible gm. He got a return of a 2nd and 3rd for kimmo who didn't play before being traded because of blood clots. Calling him the worst is a little overboard btw
I was expecting something like a backup goaltender who only lost when started to be in this list, but only old players and enforcers made the list. Plus the Stanley Cup Champion teams only go back to 2006-07 Anaheim Ducks. Feels like more research should've been done for a WORST EVER list.
It feels like this guy just looked at a stats book and picked a bunch of 4th liners on winning teams not taking context or the roles they had on their team into consideration. Might as well have an AI pick the worst players and maybe he did.
I agree the Kimo Timonen one is stupid. He was a guy who was out forever that played late on a trade and had blood clots as others have said. He was playing on a bottom pair. Kinda just shows like usual the “TH-camrs” are too young and rely on Wikipedia and whatever else. Don’t know shit about the nhl in that era
putting timonen on this list is insane. a player with a great career in his last injury plagued season. love the channel, but putting his name on this list is ridiculous, considering there are probably 100+ guys who should be on it over him
Actual ball does not deserve to be on this list. He was a bit player on the team. Yes that doesn't mean he was a bad player and he certainly can't be considered one of the worst. Every team has a player or 2 like that someone who's considered a journeyman going from the minors to the Majors to fill in spots for injuries that. Doesn't mean they're bad and it's certainly can't qualify them as being among the worst?
if when talking about one of the players you have to then discuss the 2nd time he won the cup he should automatically be removed from the list. Also if they played over 1000 games and appeared in 2 finals they don't belong either
SERIOUSLY?!?!?!? YOU think Dan Carcillo was the WORST PLAYER to ever win the Cup???? Good God!!!! Re-examine your hockey History... You might be jealous that he has one more Cup Ring than you do!😂😂😂😂
So going off of this list you could say kurtis MacDermid or Ryan Murray last year for the avs. I’ll say especially Ryan Murray because he barely played but has his name on the cup lol
Yeah seems your a blackhawks hater, and let's review. Your statistics included Chris Pronger as the leading defenseman?? Wrong. Chris Pronger may have been a leading defenseman for penety minutes or cheap shots. Certainly not goals scored by a defenseman.
lol, he's the one blindly hating? Pronger is a Hall of Famer frequently topping top 10 defensemen of all time lists. Blues were a contender while he was there, then he joined the Oilers and instantly made them a contender, then he joined the Ducks and they won a cup with him, and then he joined the Flyers who went to the Finals right away. Yeah, he was one of the top defensemen until he took a stick to the eye. It's a fact.
Are all of these players names on the cup? You didn’t specify. Did Josh Archibald play in the finals? Players must play at least 41 regular season games or 1 game in the finals in order to have their name engraved. Teams can also petition the league for exceptions. (If a player was close to the requirements or suffered serious injury that prevented them playing) Sure, they all get a ring, but players generally don’t state they’ve won the cup unless they have their name engraved on it.
Parros was just there to start shit whenever the coach decided it was necessary!! And he's the guy they put in charge of player safety and suspensions!? No wonder y the suspensions never make sense...theres no consistency at all!?
This list is extremely questionable, but including Timonen is just fucking disrespectful. Did you do any research past some limited stats? Despite playing with life-threatening blood clots that required signing a waiver, his puck moving game was still on point despite his small role as a lower-pair D - a role he fullfilled with no complaints, anything for the team. Timonen was always one of the smartest defensemen in the league, with near perfect positioning which is what allowed him to finish his career at the top. He also brought a calmness with him to the ice, which Hawks players remarked about. Additionally, he was a highly respected teammate throughout his career, bringing tons of experience and calmness off the ice. All in all calling Timonen one of the worst players to win the cup is a take so bad that I wouldn't leave this video up. Can't say I could recommend your videos to anyone - a clickbait title to draw people in, just to see you insult a legend. What a disgrace.
During his last season Kimmo Timonen suffered from two bloodcloths that almost took him out the game. He was not able to play without heavy medication and he had to sign waivers that he knowingly plays with a possible life threatening condition, and without it he was not able to play at all during his final season. He did play a small role but he was in average condition and had been off the game for a good chunk of games. Yes, his final season was bad, but he was still a very good player. Too bad he won the cup after his worst seasons ever.
Nah, we aren't going to talk about that....I guess
Thank you, I just about to comment this
Well said.
And if the Blackhawks would of lost in the finals that year, it would of been thrown in his face and he would of been blamed for it. If you're not healthy, than stay off the ice. He's just lucky his health issues weren't a hindrance.
@@A_10_PaAng_111 Why would anyone blame him? That Blackhawks team was loaded, and Timonen knew his place. He played very small third pairing minutes while players like Seabrook and Keith played 30 minutes a game. He was never the one to blame. He played very good defensive game throughout the playoffs.
And show me a player in the playoffs who is not healthy and I'll show you an unicorn.
Kimmo Timonen produced over 0,5 PPG on average throughout his NHL career. As a defenceman. I promise there are literally hundreds of worse players who have won the cup. He had severe health problems during his last season.
Edit: You really put him on the same list with the likes of George Parros, Dan Carcillo and Aaron Downey? What an absolute disgrace.
He was captain of Nashville predators and a five time all-star(played in four).
Signed a six year $37.8m contract with Philly and after that was five seasons philly's best defenseman with players like Chris pronger on the team. Played in five olympics etc..
.. So must've been great sh*t this guy was smoking while doing this vid.
Kimmo Timonen was a soldier out there, solid for years with the Preds and Flyers.
The author of this video did not understand the respect the Hawks had for Timonen. Otherwise, they would not have picked him in the trade. The reason for not taking a lot of blocks was that he never was a blocker and at the last season Timonen had suffered from blood clots. Taking the shots might have been crucial for him. As a player Timonen was a skilled defender being capable to strip the opponent the puck, play the puck and give that opening pass. You did not blame Cale Makar to take blocks in 2022 play offs, on the contrary. In my view Timonen was pretty similar player. Maybe not as skilled, but almost.
Kimmo lifting the cup after years of play always makes me emotional.
The fact that you’re calling kimmo a “worst player” to win the cup is a fucking joke…. His career speaks for itself, Maybe this title should be “players with the worse season to win the cup”
Guy makes a video trashing nhl players 😂😂
@@ToddSnow Little d dude trashing nhl players. Classic. Small D, trashtalk
I agree bullsh*t list in my opinion and its mostly guys that are enforcers like what did the creator expect lol these guys jobs wasn’t scoring goals
garbage list. this guy has no clue. Basically everyone on this list had long and valuable careers even if their points didn't show it. Timmonen was one of the best all around defencemen to ever play. His final season was ruined by multiple blood clots. Thornton played in the nhl for 15 years for a reason. guys like Thornton and Parros contribute so much more than points. Carcillo went to the cup finals 4 out of 6 playoff appearances. He even scored OT winners in the playoffs.
Yikes. Can't get behind this video if it's gonna open up with Kimmo Timonen. And then its going to call out +/- and how many shots he blocked? These are junk stats. At least get into the more real stuff. Now, I can't say I know what his advanced metrics looked like that playoff season, but you're missing context on the Hawks defensemen on that run. They were beaten up and thinned down dramatically.
The Hawks were essentially riding on just 4 defensemen in the Cup Final: Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, & Oduya. Roszival would have been there too, but he suffered a season ending injury a few rounds earlier. And in the Final, ODuya also ended up getting injured, although kept playing through it. So basically 3.5 defensemen. Timonen's value was to be as low event as possible. Nope, he didn't produce, and nope, he didn't block many shots. But that's because while he was out there, basically nothing happened either way, which is actually a best case scenario concerning your bottom pair defensemen. He didn't need to be a hero, he just needed to maintain status quo so that his teammates that were being double shifted could catch a breather. His play on the ice was generally fine. I don't think anyone in Chicago was ever claiming he was a problem for the team.
But on the whole:
Every team wins a Stanley Cup because of some players and in spite of others. There's not a team in the world to win the Championship that didn't have a player that was just along for the ride, dragging the team down.
Hey buddy, don't take this the wrong way but you can't call someone "the worst player" when teams actually pick these players to play a "sandpaper" game. They are role players and every team has a 4th line in the NHL.
As for Timonen, he averaged over 0.5 point per game through his career. It would be like saying that Raymond Bourque was the worst player to ever win the cup because he wasn't the same 60-80 points player a year in his last season.
You are not making friends here as either your tittle is wrong or the content behind the tittle is wrong.
PREACH BROTHER!!!!
tittle....?
Kimmo was awesome and had a track record for being a very reliable dman. He suffered 2 blood clots that season that forced him out of action for a while. Average play for half a season doesn't make him anywhere near the worst.
I agree, Kimmo shouldn't be on this list. Plus PE like he had are very serious, can be fatal.
Kimmo Timonen worst player to win? Hell Timonen was better than most of the 2022 winner Colorado Avalanche players and you call him worst winner?!? He had rough last season because of the health issues, but still thats just absurd.
Seeing Timonen on this list is all I need to know that you don’t know puck.
The title is a bit misleading as Timonen was a good player for years instead of being one of the "worst players" to win a cup even though the year he actually won he didn't do well.
Shawn Thornton was a HUGE character guy on that 2011 cup-winning Bruins team. That was a team that went back to the finals again in 2013. When looking solely at numbers, yes, he may well have been the last ranked guy on the roster, but his contribution as a leader in the locker room can’t be understated. He actually really helped Brad Marchand break out, too. Their chemistry on the “Merlot line” (4th) was the talk of the town throughout that entire run!
I was gonna give your video a chance that was until you had the audacity to put the name Kimo Timmonen on a list as one of “the worst” players to win a cup. Injuries took a toll on him at the end, I watched this man for years and only thing I wished was he started his career as a flyer. It’s one thing to have an opinion but this …….
Burish was on the 4th line for Chicago with Eager, and Brouwer. They were the stoppers/pests that Coach Q rolled out against the Wings and Canucks and it gave them fits, he contributed in a big way
Apparently "ever" really is only the last 12 or 13 years. That's what happens when you want to pump videos out without doing proper research into making them
Tell me you know nothing about hockey without telling me you know nothing about hockey! Yikes!
The amount of hits per game is quite misleading as they play so few minutes.. to actually get in more than 1 hit in 4 min played is actually quite impressive as most guys tried to avoid them
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As a B's fan... I don't care what Thornton had for points. He was a 4th line player that brought so much to the team. His presence was invaluable. 2011 would not be the same w/o him. God bless you Shawn!
Very disrespectful to Kimmo Timonen, who may still be considered an underrated defender in the NHL. Especially when you have the title "the worst players". All players also fulfill a function in a team and if you are now going to throw crap at Chicago, there are better examples to bring, such as Kyle Cumiskey, David Rundblad or Jordan Hendry. They weren't bad but never made a mark in the NHL, they were just along for the ride so to speak.
It's also fun that Daniel Carcillo is so hated. But during his career that was 429 games long, he managed to win the Stanley Cup twice. In addition, he also played in the finals with the Flyers in 2010 and lost to the team he would later win with.
Slovak player Jiří Bicek won the Stanley Cup with the Devils in 2003 while only scoring 11 points that season and in total he had 13 in 62 games.
Martin Cibák won with the Lightning in 2004 and had 9 points, in total he had 23.
reupload this as 8 WORST, I can't believe you forgot Derrick Pouliot!
my guy, you need to brush up on your hockey history. calling kimmo one of the worst nhl players ever to win is simply incorrect
Sorry but wtf??!! Timonen!! No no no....
The video solidified to me that this creator doesn’t watch/follow hockey and is mostly reciting Wiki bios and stat sheets. Timonen was a great player who soldiered on through serious health issues for one last shot at the Cup AND it paid off! Overall my issue with this video is that you call these players “the worst” but comparative to the expectations/roles they were meant to play that seems a little unfair. The gist of this video is: don’t be a fourth liner or a 6-7 D-man
Can tell this guy has no idea what good hockey looks like on the ice, he just looks at stat lines.
there are 106 years of stanley cup finals. do you really think the worst of all time are really from the last 20 years? come on man, you can't be that simple.
Dave Brown of the 1990 Edmonton Oilers, John Kordic 1986 Montreal Canadiens should be on this list!
Is this a fake video? Do your research dude.
to be fair kimmo timonen onyl played 16 games in the 14-15 regular season due to blood clot issues. Aside from 14-15 he did get to triple digit numbers in goals overall with 117 which is solid for a defenseman
I doubt you can win the Stanley Cup without some contribution from every single player on that team, mabee certain players were great teammates or great in the dressing room. It's not always about goals, assists and saves. Team chemistry plays a big part.
this video aint radiating BDE... no joy sparked. Dude got no idea what he putting on the list
I love your videos but this list is just wrong, I’m sorry
Thank you for putting Timonen as the first player on this list. Now I can stop watching this immediately because it's the worst fucking list I have ever seen on my entire life.
"Parros only appeared in just 5 games." If you use "only", you dont need to use "just". If you use "just", you don't need to use "only" "Parros only appeared in 5 games" "Parros appeared in just 5 games." Several instances where you did this.
This is an odd topic and very difficult to really explore, however if you were to do a similar one why not go for something like the top 10 worst or over rated goalies to win the cup. I really enjoy your channel an i'm happy to sub and like, thanks.
Timonen shouldn’t be here
You should calculate hits per ice time vs. Hits per game. I think that would put some of these 4th liners in a better light.
To be fair, Shawn Thornton was on a TEAM of enforcers on the Ducks... they also had George Parros, Joe Dipenta, AND Brad May on that team, a very physical squad that season.
You should have given that "honor" to Aaron Rome, a perennial AHL/NHL call up call down... who played only a single playoff game for the Ducks that run, didn't get his name engraved but still got a ring and got to skate with it on the ice when they won. I remember one of my coaches saying "Aaron Rome isn't getting called up more to the NHL because he's fat and lazy."
What a stupid list lol
Worst is definitely Joe Motzko
25 games in the league, 4 goals, 2 assists. 3 of the 25 games were in the playoffs for the Ducks in which he scored 0 points and took a penalty. That was enough to get his name engraved on the Cup
Their is Joe Dipenta too
Kimmo as number one was a bad choice bud… did you watch hockey back then? I can give you my full list
A bit of a stretch to even mention Timonen.
I accept your logic, basing it on stats, but if you dig deeper you could see he was not bad based on circumstances. As the circumstances were such that it was an achievement to even be on the ice. Bloodcloths at the age of 38-39 (he turned 40 the same year they won) is not a thing to just shake off.
Therefore I would not count him, but as I said, you are basing this on stats and therefore I can buy it. Statistically it did look quite bad for a Cup-winner
Hockey would be a damn simple game if everything was indeed just about goals, assists and points.
Shawn Thornton take is garbage consider he’s had his name on the cup multiple times now
It's annoying how you pick random stats to make your case
He does not score in his last 4 games
He did not have a point and played only 3 minutes per game
He was the worst among players that played at least 11 game
Thornton was a beast and the Bruins Merlot Line were instrumental in the 2011 Cup win. He had 41 hits and quite frankly his contributions did not really show up in the box score...to say he was the worst is absurd.
Thornton deserved the Cup with the Bruins!! Ya he didn't contribute much on scoresheet in playoffs but he was still a big part in them winning the Cup by defending and clearing room for his teammates to score!
Anyone who talks to me about playoffs and then uses hyphenated years , I'll just walk away .
This is a brutal list. Many of these players won multiple cups , and believe me , 16 wins ,. That's a team contribution. No matter what your role is.
Having international hall of famer on this list is just downright wrong.
Imagine , a hall of famer, coming back from major medical condition and playing for a Stanley cup champion ,. And then you call him the worst player to ever win a cup. No friggin way
This is a bad list. The Stanley Cup is over a 100 years old but the 7 worst players to win it were 6 enforcers and a dman who play in 4 all star games, all on the last 15 years? This list is grossly under researched and you clearly don’t understand the role enforcers used to play
Yet some flyers fans still talk about hexy like he was a terrible gm. He got a return of a 2nd and 3rd for kimmo who didn't play before being traded because of blood clots. Calling him the worst is a little overboard btw
Kimmo Timonen...? You obviously know nothing about ice hockey
I was expecting something like a backup goaltender who only lost when started to be in this list, but only old players and enforcers made the list. Plus the Stanley Cup Champion teams only go back to 2006-07 Anaheim Ducks. Feels like more research should've been done for a WORST EVER list.
The backup goalie I thought to be on the list is Andre Racicot.
While you were compiling this list, Jay Caufield is saying, ''Hold my beer.''
Timmonen is a legend.
If you have a bad season individually and your team wins the Cup, that makes you a bad player overall?
Could only get 2 mins in. The whole premise of this video is nonsensical, but at least on that front it really delivers.
It feels like this guy just looked at a stats book and picked a bunch of 4th liners on winning teams not taking context or the roles they had on their team into consideration. Might as well have an AI pick the worst players and maybe he did.
I agree the Kimo Timonen one is stupid. He was a guy who was out forever that played late on a trade and had blood clots as others have said. He was playing on a bottom pair. Kinda just shows like usual the “TH-camrs” are too young and rely on Wikipedia and whatever else. Don’t know shit about the nhl in that era
I’m also not sure this guy understands what an enforcer is
L video, you need more research bub respectfully
putting timonen on this list is insane. a player with a great career in his last injury plagued season. love the channel, but putting his name on this list is ridiculous, considering there are probably 100+ guys who should be on it over him
Don’t disrespect Kimmo “The Truth” Timmonen!
Actual ball does not deserve to be on this list. He was a bit player on the team. Yes that doesn't mean he was a bad player and he certainly can't be considered one of the worst. Every team has a player or 2 like that someone who's considered a journeyman going from the minors to the Majors to fill in spots for injuries that. Doesn't mean they're bad and it's certainly can't qualify them as being among the worst?
if when talking about one of the players you have to then discuss the 2nd time he won the cup he should automatically be removed from the list. Also if they played over 1000 games and appeared in 2 finals they don't belong either
SERIOUSLY?!?!?!? YOU think Dan Carcillo was the WORST PLAYER to ever win the Cup???? Good God!!!! Re-examine your hockey History... You might be jealous that he has one more Cup Ring than you do!😂😂😂😂
this list is literally "enforcers dont deserve cups" like cmon
It is like you are implying that they don’t deserve to be on that Cup and that you forgot it is a team effort.
theres more than offense in what makes a player good bud
Should just change your username to Top Shot Hockey. So many lists past 6 😉
Might be a stretch to say they "won" the cup. More like they were on a team that won it.
So going off of this list you could say kurtis MacDermid or Ryan Murray last year for the avs. I’ll say especially Ryan Murray because he barely played but has his name on the cup lol
Nah bro, you should look more in to Timonen’s situation that season and you would not post this kind of trash
Yeah seems your a blackhawks hater, and let's review. Your statistics included Chris Pronger as the leading defenseman?? Wrong. Chris Pronger may have been a leading defenseman for penety minutes or cheap shots. Certainly not goals scored by a defenseman.
lol, he's the one blindly hating?
Pronger is a Hall of Famer frequently topping top 10 defensemen of all time lists. Blues were a contender while he was there, then he joined the Oilers and instantly made them a contender, then he joined the Ducks and they won a cup with him, and then he joined the Flyers who went to the Finals right away. Yeah, he was one of the top defensemen until he took a stick to the eye. It's a fact.
@@girhen Pronger the old racist guy
I don't like lists like this. I would prefer to ask there teammates what they think.
Lets be real here most of the player's he mentioned we're only picked up to do exactly what they did I'm sure they weren't there to score goals
Are all of these players names on the cup? You didn’t specify. Did Josh Archibald play in the finals? Players must play at least 41 regular season games or 1 game in the finals in order to have their name engraved. Teams can also petition the league for exceptions. (If a player was close to the requirements or suffered serious injury that prevented them playing)
Sure, they all get a ring, but players generally don’t state they’ve won the cup unless they have their name engraved on it.
Also, it takes some researching as simply looking at a players stats and seeing playoff games played doesn’t mean it was games in the finals.
All views are good views, I love this channel and it’s potential but bad taste on kimmo and it upsets me
Me seeing the title: Oh this should be interesting!
Me after watching the video: Why the fuck did he make this?
Sorry, after seeing Timonen put on the list I cannot take this video seriously....
Man...your sooo lost!guess anyone can have a hockey channel nowadays...
Jordan Nolan won 3 Stanley cups barley did anything
There are probably 100 worst player than that... Perros was a good choice.
Just a touch salty about the Blackhawks, are we?
Prior to watching the video, I'm guessing Sean Avery on the 02 red wings
Avery didn't have his name engraved on the Stanley Cup, though.
Shawn Thornton? This list is crazy.
I may be mistaken but I believe Carcillo did score a key goal in the finals
It must be someone’s head in the audience though
You put Timonen with these nobodys
Parros was just there to start shit whenever the coach decided it was necessary!! And he's the guy they put in charge of player safety and suspensions!? No wonder y the suspensions never make sense...theres no consistency at all!?
Kris draper was a joke with the the Detroit Red Wings
Do worst 1st overall busts ever. There's quite a few of those.. lol
Two words: Brett Lebda.
Joe Dipenta? its kind of unfair to make this list all grinders and enforcers.
Most enforcers are physical when it comes to hits
Timonen cant be that bad,the team von cup with all players doing their best😮
LOL I shouldn't have bothered posting. Every single comment below sets the record straight on Kimmo. FAIL.
❤I love Daniel Carcillo!!!❤
This list is extremely questionable, but including Timonen is just fucking disrespectful. Did you do any research past some limited stats?
Despite playing with life-threatening blood clots that required signing a waiver, his puck moving game was still on point despite his small role as a lower-pair D - a role he fullfilled with no complaints, anything for the team. Timonen was always one of the smartest defensemen in the league, with near perfect positioning which is what allowed him to finish his career at the top. He also brought a calmness with him to the ice, which Hawks players remarked about.
Additionally, he was a highly respected teammate throughout his career, bringing tons of experience and calmness off the ice. All in all calling Timonen one of the worst players to win the cup is a take so bad that I wouldn't leave this video up. Can't say I could recommend your videos to anyone - a clickbait title to draw people in, just to see you insult a legend. What a disgrace.
Kimmo was awesome
This list is a joke