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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มี.ค. 2022
- In this Horizon Forbidden West video Tilda explains about the Nemesis to Aloy and Beta and how Nemesis came to antagonize humans. She also expresses her love for Aloy and demands Aloy to come with her.
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The third game should start with Nemesis destroying the Zenith's planet and shows how helpless the Zeniths were when it all came to an end. That should be the prologue and that would be freakin awesome.
I agree, we need to see just how dangerous and catastrophic it was for the Far Zeniths to experiment and see Nemsis become so twisted and gain control and ultimately destroy everything.
Nah third game should start with the prequel of zero dawn and the events of humanity’s struggle against the faro plague
@@theboyisso6960 That's a neat idea. Lots of possibilities. You could argue that you could do a whole trilogy based on that just to really flesh it all out considering it was a highly advanced society.
they should make a movie about the faro plague but i guess you can watch the future scenes from the terminator movies and get the same thing.
@@theboyisso6960I'd save that for a full game or at least DLC.
"Not some _inferior_ copy."
Beta isn't inferior, her lack of interaction is to blame for her timid, overly pessimistic nature and the blame falls on no one else's but the Zeniths for treating her like a tool to be used and then discarded.
Honestly, calling Beta that in front of her was downright cruel. But it does go to show how unhinged Tilda is.
plus, she never had Rost to inspire her
she also kinda cute doe
@@cnm7558 She is adorable. I want to hug her so much...
@@EclecticallyEccentric That and it shows how far Tilda is willing to go to fulfill her own demented fantasy of having Lis with her always. Beta wasn't good enough cause she didn't act like Lis like Tilda wanted, didn't remind her of Lis and so was willing to throw Beta's life away, just to take Aloy.
Carrie Ann Moss is so made to play Tilda, I love the way she delivers her lines.
She kills every role she is in, for me though, she will always be Trinity
I just love that line “you’ll forgive me in a few centuries” the writers making sure we know that these zeniths have a completely different mind, they are actually not human their technology and life spent has completely changed them
There is something ridiculously freaky about the idea of a formless mass negative emotions and AI intelligence travelling through space and time chasing humans lightyears away steadily getting closer and closer…
Sounds like Twitter
@@dragonkight64dragonslayer62 lmao
Nemesis isn't formless anymore. When it destroyed the Zenith colony, it took over their printers to take any form it needed to wipe them out.
Nemesis is most likely on it's way to earth in a giant ship/fortress, I'm thinking something like a Borg Cube almost. So when it reaches earth it'll be able to again take any form it needs to fight us all.
We're gonna need Hephaestus or Vast Silver to stand any chance against Nemesis.
Oh I'm sure it has a form. We just haven't seen it yet.
Just wait untill it actually happens.
It's funny how you all think a general "chat bot" is a real A.I.
There's so much better out there none of you could tell the difference between a real person or not.
“I like ya, and I want ya. So we can do this the easy way or the hard way. The choice is yours.”
Tilda really be trying to kidnap Alloy to groom into existence her own waifu.
Her entire motivation boils down to the good sex she had a thousand years ago and never getting over that ex. Elisabet must have put it on her something fierce!
It'd be interesting, but it feels like it'll end up in a similar situation to Mass Effect 3.
Tilda took it from sus to 100 real quick
@@ASimpleBall I have a suspicion she is even worse than she presents herself at the end. She says, "It wasn't me! I wasn't part of it! I didn't know!" an awful lot. She claims ignorance when Elizabet accuses her of helping the Zeniths try to steal Giaia. She claims she didn't know how bad the Zeniths were. But she made her real fortune in espionage and spyware. She brags about being clever enough to work in anonymity while she digs up counterintelligence dirt. And yet she 'didn't know'? What cinches it for me is the outfit, though! She *almost* looks like an angel--white suit, pink lipstick--but it's like she has that dark streak of night sky running right through her core. We see it emerging right at the neckline. It looks kind of like black lava about to overflow. She might be the most well done character in the series, but I'm thinking she was worse than we got to see. But that's what makes her a great character--we think about her way after her scenes are over!
Bigest redflag is that Tilda dont know how to turn of shields which they created.. Really?
100% certain that the Nemesis will take control of at least one Horus in the next game
I hope not…seeing one of those in action would be terrifying and humanity would be severely underprepared. They kind of already are. A Horus waking would probably be the end for everyone.
@@Damodred_Heiress but remember sylens is still around at least for a little bit, and apollo is there and so is gaia, so they'll probably unite all the tribes, and use gaia to create the most powerful defenses and weapons also using knowldge from apollo.
and since Tilda's brain is part of Nemesis, 90 percent certain that Nemesis, too, will be obsessed with Aloy, which Aloy will be able to use against Nemesis.
My guess is they'll need a Horus in one form or another to defeat Nemesis
@@McobraR Didn’t think about this perspective. I guess it would be cool to see this happening.
The story on this game was insane
Yeah. Insanely messy and Varls death was bullshit
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 hm no
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Disagree, Varl's death forced Aloy to realize that she DID have a "family" and she should stop running from them.
Varl was a punk, people cared just enough about him to make sure his death had an impact
@@PrestigeLearning Learning to depend on, accept help from, and caring about others is part of her character arc in Zero Dawn. I’m baffled about the number of people defending this game’s terrible writing and Aloy’s characterization.
I hope HZD keeps moving forward. Seeing the tribes reconnect with our old knowledge and how they utilize it would be crazy. Meridian should turn into an advanced cyber city.
I think it sold well enough to keep the series going.
Tbh honest i hope they advance in technology but keep their old ways alive, culture, traditions, tribes, clothings
There's just something about the technological advancements+old ways that makes the vibe of the Game different
I want to see more tribes
@@shariqazmi6712likely they will keep their new cultures alive. Just that their tribal religions would fade away and return to the 2060s way of the world
@@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394 There's still a good way to merge both eras tribally, just wait and see, I'm currently working on Horizon 3 as part of the writing team.
“There is something in deep space…its following the Zeniths to earth!”
Oh hell yeah! Lovecraftian horror in my Horizon game!
Let alone Tilda never thought about the obvious - Nemesis fissioning into multiple copies of itself, so it both stays at Earth and sends copies to other systems. Each of those copies will copy themselves, taking out the entire galaxy. Tilda and any remaining Far Zenith members would run to the end of the galaxy and it wouldn't be enough because Nemesis would eat everything else.
It’s not lovecraftian lmao
@@enlightenedvagabond3556 It most certainly is. Lovecraftian horror isnt just about slime and tentacles in its simplest terms Lovecraft horror is the fear of the unknown, of things we cant even comprehend or understand.
A formless mass of Malformed AI and intelligence flying through space of “astronomical” readings would absolutely fit. Lovecraft made quite a few stories based on the horrors of technology
@@toddkes5890 That sounds incredibly edgy. Then again the entirety of Horizon is pretty damn edgy when I think of it.
The king of Edge-lords himself lmao. Oh god. We'll see what happens if that's the case. Horizon going down a lovecraftian route.
Lemme guess. Based on what happened to Nemesis, the machine horde from 1 thousand years ago gained sentience. Got sick of being war dogs, and rebelled. This process repeated on Far Zenith.
To quote The Incredibles: "It got smart enough to wonder why it had to take orders?"
Therby showing how humanity repeated the same mistakes.
The machine horde (Faro Plague) destroyed humanity because of a glitch in its coding, not because it gained sentience (at least that's all we know so far I believe)
The Faro Plague wasn't by any indication what one would call sentient, nor was it malicious. Nothing about its emergence and nature was that predictable or understanable. Humanity didn't make "angry machines" through mistreatment or some other obvious mistake. They simply constructed machines with functions that were totally reasonable, in-context, but that
they came to carry out well past that intended context, without end, and they found us useful matter to consume to those ends.
Humanity was killed by a Paperclip Maximizer.
To add to this point. My guess is that the Faro Plague wasn't a glitch... it was faro trying to upload his digital sentience into the system for better control of thr machines.. only for it to go crazy like Nemesis did.
Especially with the lengths that this game went to show Faro's ego and his attempts to remain immortal. This is a very likely scenario.
@@feederchua Oooooh, that's a very very good shout, and would make a more interesting explanation than "a random glitch" because I'm not satisfied that's the answer. My only thought is, I thought Faro's experiment with digital sentience only took place once the Faro plague took over and he sealed himself inside his underground pyramid? Isn't that when he started to force that Dr to run those experiments?
@@Killerkwoi13 Everything you just stated is correct according to the officially stated assumptions by the main characters of the series. HOWEVER, if you’ve read other fiction you know about authors use of “retconning” previous facts. This process is easier when it’s about events not fully understood. And in this context the machine hordes were made thousands of years ago. The “glitch” hypothesis may eventually be revealed to be fake. Well this is just a possibility. It’s up to GG to decide weather or not to do anything with this.
I love the subtle difference in the facial expressions of Aloy and Beta at 4:45... both in total rejection of what Tilda says, but Beta looking timid and fearful, while Aloy looks determined and critical... their different personalities perfectly captured in their faces. The actress did a fine job there.
Or rather, the artists did. Unless they used motion capture.
@@SIMULACRA37they did motion capture for this game
@@yunikyuki awesome
Beta even nods a little bit when Aloy says no.
@@SIMULACRA37 This was all done with motion- and face-capture tech.
When Beta first says that there's something in deep space, following the Zeniths to Earth... for a second there, I half expected aliens to enter the picture... I'm glad they didn't. It would have been a weird turn and not have fit the overall story at all...
As much as I kind of wanted to have aliens sent the signal, the entire story revolves around the world ending because of human arrogance and ignorance. It had to be a human creation.
It’s very logical. A bunch of egoistic narcissists created Faro Plague and destroyed all the lives on the planet, and even if some of them managed to escape to space, they still ended up with creating another version of Faro Plague and destroying their new world 😂
@@EgnachHelton The Zeniths are an example that the human mind is not built to live do long. At some point you have to lose it.
@@MediadosI personally disagree with this. Our minds are designed in a way to hold and recall far more information than we can ever hope to gain in our current lifespans. We've known this for decades.
I think the point for the zeniths is that they were like that from the start. Everything they did was selfish. They only grew more selfish with the passage of time. Take Erik for example. All we know about him is that he was essentially a murderer before he ever attained immortality. Having eternity to kill to his hearts sick content. Except it was only virtually, so when presented with the opportunity to do it for real again he jumps at the chance. Time only made who he was worse... but it didn't make who he was. That's true for all of the zeniths
This scene pissed me off it makes me sick. I wanted to throw up with the twisted, perverted obsession of Elisabet that Tilda has placed on Aloy. Heck, she doesnt even see Aloy as Aloy, just as Sobeck.
I also hate how she spent time getting close to Beta with the Data Channel, showing her "kindness" and "compassion", only to call her an inferior copy while deifying and glorifying Aloy. She didnt give two shits about Beta.
All in all, shes almost as bad as Faro in my book in regard to narcisissim.
I could go on with how much I hate Tilda right now but the comments section isnt a big enough space for me to do that.
bro this game makes us all feel so many things
It’s just a game ….
You just want someone to like you as much as she likes Sobeck
@@TheONE-mi7sz Would it be a bad time to tell you that I'm aro/ace? Lol
@@blazeravenscar2337 ah yes, labels for that which lacks purpose
The storytelling and voice acting in this game are phenomenal.
I knew Tilda sounded familiar. It's Trinity from Matrix.
I’m not entirely convinced that Tilda is gone. We watched Erik die, Gerard die, and all we see is Tilda’s hand? I wouldn’t be surprised if we see her in Horizon 3
Same here, i found her so fascinating and wanted to look around a little on the zenith island and Tilda's mansion post-game. Mansion was unlocked & there wasn't any new details that i noticed; Couldn't get into the island (invisible wall) which could of course just be game mechanics OR it could be they didn't want players to return to her body to find it missing or something o.0
@@trashbag4796 oh definitely!! She was/is a great character!! I was definitely hoping we’d have more at her mansion than we did. At the zenith base there’s nothing there, her body and everything is gone (so is Erik and Gerard’s) there’s a video somewhere on TH-cam that can show you how to get back to the zenith base! 🙌🏼
@@TheDeGunias You're absolutely right, looks like a lot of people have had the same/similar idea now that im looking lol, thank you!
@@trashbag4796 haha you’re welcome!! When I looked it up I was hopeful there had to be soooome way! Was so glad to see there was lolol
This lady survived a terrorist attack as a child, survived Earth destruction, survived the destruction of Sirius Colony, survived Gerard and Erik when she betrayed them. So why not here too? Plus, remember the lesson she's always been following: "Always know your exits". She's too smart to just lunch herself recklessly at Aloy without a plan B.
i was so shocked by this, i knew tilda was lying, i just didn’t know about what! didn’t predict it at all
She had a potential for a great character but ruined by the boring ending, unless that wasnt her
@@idestructiiion1337 Yeah, so dull; how dare she show herself as a Selfish person who double-crosses everyone to get what she wants.
@@ConnorLonergan It was so badly predictable that I knew it and was praying it wasnt gonna end like that since they met.
@@idestructiiion1337 I would argue the other way around would have been bad. Yes it was perdictible, but becuase the game was on purposly hinting to that. Had they gone with a "yes Tilda is actually trusting." then we would have to tilt our heads and ask "then what was the point of having Aloy hide part of her plan from Tilda, and not just that why would Tilda not reveal the truth when they first met?"
@@idestructiiion1337 i think she’s still alive, we only saw her arm come out of that suit thing!
A thousand years and what might once have been love is just twisted obsession.
Is it obsession, though, when you know they will come back??
I reckon it had been twisted obsession since the beginning.
what is love but mutual obsession?
@Slowpoke3x There is a difference between desire and obsession. The foolish cannot see it, and the wise know it all too well.
This reveal gave me instant "The 100" vibes and also gave me chills!
Omg yes ever since the Zeniths got introduced I've likened them to The 100. Good to see I'm not the only one who drew that comparison
' You'll forgive me in a few centuries ' 5:24 lol 😂
It’s such a silly line, with terribly dark meanings
Goddamnit. I knew the Zeniths were too similar to the Orokin. The golden rich bastards always create big red interstellar A.I. don't they?
Imagine alloy with an warframe
@@LazyRythm Aloy
@@JoshSweetvale mb
Tilda shouldn't have treated Charisma as a dump stat and probably should have thought about what to say ahead of time. She didn't even use classic lines like:
1) This is our only hope.
2) We'll bring as many people as we can.
3) Home isn't a place. Home is where ever are people are.
4) As long as we're alive there's hope.
? wut lmao
she just said what she just had to say after they discovered the truth. She knew then that lying or describing things pretty was not necessary anymore. And she knew that Aloy doesn't like to beat around the bush, through her focus. So she made it clear
@@calmondey4214 And look at how badly it turned out.
lmao Tilda isn't that kind of person. Not everyone is heroic.
@@KoKoYoung she is a good manipulator, she totally could have guilted Aloy into coming with her
I do like the Nemesis twist, but I honestly would have preferred if they left some more hints regarding it and Far Zenith in the first game and added more hints to it in the first 2 acts of the second game.
My current theory is frankly Apollo exists still, in some fashion or form, somewhere, and the next game is going to be about finding it
They already got Apollo from the far zenith ship, Tilda convinced sobeck to give them an alpha build and aloy merged that alpha build of Apollo with Gaia.
@@FHAS3R
Not really.
As GAIA was put back at the base in the ending cutscene, she has her sub functions surrounding her. All but 2.
HEPHESTUS and APOLLO.
APOLLO is still on the Odessy in Earth's orbit.
So my guess is they'll be figuring out a way to get to and from the Odessy with APOLLO in the next game as well as how to capture HEPHESTUS again.
@@khloiotaku6073 thats hades that has been destroyed, they already have Apollo. So they are missing Hades and Hephestus
@@lucianox49
Huh
Just went back to the final cutscene
Your right
My bad
!!Warning potential spoilers for Horizon 3 !!
I think the third game could be interesting, i personally think Vast Silver might have caused the glitch in the faro robots, Vast Silver was an Ai that was created in the 2040s when elisabet sobeck was still working for ted faro, in 2044 he went rogue and escaped but soon was captured, i think it was a lie because i found a datapoint that hints that he wasn't captured and still free somewhere in the world, i think Vast Silver caused the glitch because he was scared of humanity, and he might appear in the third game imagine Vast Silver vs Nemesis.
Hopefully Nemesis will give me my long dodge back and make the combat less frustrating 😩
And no more insane grind
Same
Yes Fucking fighting pits 😅
So basically, Nemesis is Twitter.
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Nemesis is Pre Elon Musk’s Twitter and Elon Musk’s Twitter (Opinion)
No more like the left all emotion no logic.
The game's story went so far left I doubt anyone expected this. Now there's possible space travel?
I thought Hades was gonna make a comeback and they completely neutered him and gave us a threat a million times worse 🤣🤣
Not just that, but the threat of Hephaestus returning to the machine’s network will probably mean it’s another big issue they’ll need to deal with. Knowing what it went thru when aloy and everyone else tried to merge him with Gaia, he’s definitely gonna attempt to throw them with everything it’s got. Especially noting the fact it now has access to the Zenith’s base, Hephaestus is now gonna probably have a mix of its own and Far Zenith’s technologies together to make the most deadliest machines it can spit out
Why do you think hades was neutered?
@@wellhaloboi5415 They did it once, they can do it again.
Reducing Hades to a sputtering shell dwelling in his holographic wasteland "happy place" was a cool way to foil expectations. The game's plot moves fast, but remember this was designed as a trilogy, not an ongoing franchise (vs. "Assassin's Creed").
Hephaestus could easy be threat, but at same the time, he knows about threat that is coming and there is a chance that he may not take kindly to something new coming to ruin all his work in a very guilty spark way, he could easily be ally to the humans,
Imagine (AM) from “I Have No Mouth & I Must Scream” being and intergalactic swarm and Dyson Sphere. That’s terrifying
My theory for the next game we defeat nemesis by using the faro plague Nemesis does not have the deactivation codes Gaia does and I bet we'll find out Elizabeth Sobeck has a secret lying in that world necklace like a confession that the faro plague was caused by her in order to enforce a concessions degree against Ted Faro because in her time the world was falling between Order and Chaos.
Good theory actually. Though I doubt Elisabeth would intentionally kill billions, it certainly is something. We’ll have to wait and see. I’m just sad the 3rd game will likely be the last. It feels like there is still so much to discover and explore on earth! We’ve barely covered the USA let alone the rest of the world. A world ripe with possibility for grest story telling
The fact that the FZ guys and Ted Faro were able to make themselves immortal makes me think there are probably ZD beta and gamma survivors still living in Elysium with advanced tech that will come into play next game.
@@davidshovlin2783 is possible but why hiding for so long, from gaia
Yeah, plus Tilda is sort'a "Secrets Keeper", but when she meet Elizabeth Liz already knew her. So WHERE'S THE H*LL ELIZABETH KNEW HER, Liz as one of her clients that payed to Tilda hide something "of, her. But Tilda doesn't even know that.
Elizabeth have some BIG secret to be revealed on the 3th (and probably last) game, e this is probably a hint of that.
!! Warning potential spoilers for Horizon 3 !!
I personally think Vast Silver might have caused the glitch in the faro robots, Vast Silver was an Ai that was created in the 2040s when elisabet sobeck was still working for ted faro, in 2044 he went rogue and escaped but soon was captured, i think it was a lie because i found a datapoint that hints that he wasn't captured and still free somewhere in the world, i think Vast Silver caused the glitch because he was scared of humanity, and he might appear in the third game imagine Vast Silver vs Nemesis.
Imagine effing up one planet, going to another...effing that one up, coming back to your world origin...and effing that one up to. >_>
5:30 "I have something better" I for real thought she was about to square up and fist fight you. That would've been way cooler imo.
Honestly, this is the one part I'm not sure was well handled in this game. It's a nice twist, but one that should have probably been fed to the player gradually throughout the game. This is a LOT to take in just as the game is ending...
happily, there will be another game to wallow in this knowledge
Tbf it makes us feel just as whiplashed as Aloy does.
The way they over-emote (with their hands) reminds me of stage plays
Honestly, she was pretty confident about winning considering how pathetically easy the final boss was. It should have been much, MUCH harder.
I've fought regular machines in the base game that were tougher than she was!
I literally three shot her with freeze, powershots, and a fully upgraded forgefall(with mid coils)
you obviously didnt play the game on a high difficulty did you?
@@Leviathan123456 Lol I play on Ultra Hard buddy, and before the update where they added Ultra Hard I played on Super Hard. You must suck if u think she was difficult at all.
@@skins4thewindonr believe u
@@Leviathan123456 I was only playing hard since I'm waiting till I get a ps5 to play through on ultrahard. Hence why I was basically maxed out
What's the music from 1:03? I've been looking through the OST and haven't found it yet
I realise this comment is very late, but in case you are still looking: It is the last portion of 'Echo of you'
I loved the twiste but personally I would have preferred Faro as a next vilain! He survived has a weird mutated thing in his bunker I would have preferred it got out and tried to force himself a god (stated by the lore) I think it could have been awesome!
The way his demise was framed as an off-screen 'joke' felt like a cop-out.
@@mattmedrala1947 yes exactly! He should have got out
@@kevinwaag9976 we didn't even see him
@@mattmedrala1947 it wasn't an off-screen joke. He was left off-screen to leave his grotesque figure to our imagination. As if it was so horrid they didn't even want us, the player, to see it. And his demise happened long before the events of the game -- what was left of him wasn't actually Ted Faro, but a giant mutated mass of barely sentient cancer cells rapidly reproducing and struggling to maintain life. Faro likely slowly lost his sentience over the course of years, perhaps even decades or a couple centuries, trapped within his own degrading body as he watched it become that monstrosity, which is a demise that was absolutely fitting for his character.
@@AngryAlfonsewe actually get a glimpse of what faro looks like when aloy is using her focus to hear his message
Maybe they will create another hades to fight against nemesis. Who knows but the way things stand now, I don't think they have a chance. Like 0% chance.
Unlikely they would recreate hades. Hades is a we are completely fk so let destroy everything and try again later. Issues is they don't have the resources to try again later
Id say the key lies in Apollo
There is still a hades kernel in the Proving lab
@@chibidakis1 There is but it was destroyed by water damage
I honestly hope they can find Apollo somehow
I hope the 3rd game the earth become more advanced because of Apollo and all tribes stand together against Nemesis especially Elysium People (bet they’re still alive)
The inhabitants of Elysium are sterile, so they either become immortal like the zeniths or reproduce with artificial wombs.
Elysium went offline after less than a 100 years after the Faro Plague :/ so unfortunetly no they have been dead for over 900years at this point :/ Its stated by Gaia if you ask her about Elysium sometime after Faro's Tomb
If all Nemesis wants is to terminate the Zenith, why would that still be a problem now that the Zenith have all been killed? MY guess for the sequel is that Nemesis will take a special interest in Aloy as a clone of Sobeck
Nemesis is basically just a ball of anger. It will attempt to glass Earth so that the Zeniths have no home to go to. It wouldn’t know that they’re all dead.
Aloy is a Zenith basically but with no inmunity at all
My Guess it's that aloy it's going to sacrifice herself to keep earth safe and nemesis will destroy it's self
@@Lucasssssssss_I kind of had the same idea. Aloy is going the way of Elizabet.
@Lucas_3595 As much as I hate the idea, its not every day we get a video game protagonist who sacrifices themselves for everyone. Would make a memorable ending.
It does make me wonder, what the natives/Earth defenders hope to do against a Extra-terrestrial machine super mind though when it arrives...
Moral of the Story?
DON'T. BUILD. ROBOTS.
Moral: Go to therapy to not get obsessed with the clone of your ex-girlfriend who dies one century ago.
I pretty much called it that Tilda was full of crap. The idea that a, well, Matrix type thing was going to turn on the Zeniths, that i didint see.
Its was quite a story twist. You have some references to The Matrix and also so references to Battlestar Galactica, being chased across the galaxy by a artifical lifeform of your own marking thar turns on you.
*Spoiler warning for "The 100" TV series*
In HFW, there were data points where Far Zenith mentions their cryostasis is old technology and they were working on technology that digitally transfers the human mind/consciousness. In "The 100" TV series, there are a group of people that have "immortality" via repeatedly transferring their minds from body to body over hundreds/thousands of years. I thought the Zeniths were going to be revealed to be only "immortal" via the same mind transfer (and not their bodies were immortal); so I was shocked to find out that Nemesis was the result of the Far Zenith technology (I should've realized my theory was wrong from the "Singularity" quest name though)
I always thought the Zeniths could have survived but not in the way we learned in the game. And then this… definitely unexpected. The third game is going to be wild. I really hope the arrival of Nemesis is as epic as it should be.
What armor is that?? It looks amazing
Nemesis should have been part of the lore where something big is coming and as calculated it will arrive in 50-100 years, across 2 more generations of people, a part of the lore that there is an end battle coming for them and they must all prepare for it.
It would have been epic to know were we had the ancient's lore, now we will have a future lore, tbh maybe even after 1000 more years, just like how 1000 years ago apocalypse started, but it would end up to be WAY more epic when aloy is in her 40s in like the 4th-5th game, totally unexpected nemesis arrives much faster than prevesiouly thought, and now they gotta deal with it under stress underprepared, it was going to be EPIC.
Far Zenith ship traveled with 25% of speed of light, but whatever, Nemesis started to chase them after 6,5 years, so it's approximately in 6,5 years to come.
@@ultramedved it could be faster since there are no humans in the ship to limit the speed, but far zenith aren't humans either, they have harder durability than steel.
If it helps on anything, sirius is 8.611 light years away, so they must have been in space for like 35 years traveling at 0.25 light speed, it is unlikely that nemesis is traveling any faster than 0.30 light years, as it would be traveling just 1 years after they have arrived even with 6.5 years headstart.
That's sadly impossible because they already have advanced GAIA Sensors and now, Far Zenith Sensors looking at Nemesis. Unless Nemesis somehow teleports, they will always know approximately when they will arrive.
Once nemesis was a simple discord bot, a path that inevitably reached this point.
what a crazy lesbian that tilda XD
😂😂😂
*** Nemesis comes to Earth ***
- Alloy and allies : "You know those Zenith dicks, yeah we killed all them"
- Nemesis : ???????
Nemesis is coming to Earth to destroy it to deny Zeniths, They're now dead, what is its motivation to do bad now ?.
Hope im missing something.
Maybe it is just insane
OH MY GOSH. Oh my gosh. I don't think you're missing anything here! You're right. Like, maybe Nemesis is a pure nihilist, but the writing doesn't say Nemesis is bent on the eradication of all life. Like, that's not in the script! They should have had you in the writer's room. Really nice catch!
@@sciurid9159 thanks
Nemesis has the egotistical minds of every far zenith. Its unhinged and has no reason to leave earth alone
@@gnm7858
It’s stated Nemesis wants to destroy Earth to deny Zeniths a home. It has no quarrel particularly with earth. It’s beef is with Zeniths.
Your explanation is weak. Hope Guerilla don’t use it.
You know the Nemesis will be a challenge when it even has the Zeniths constantly on the run.
Yeah but Nemesis had access to all their memories, such as passwords, how systems work etc. Which was why it so easily wiped out the Zenith's colony. It won't have that kind of access when it gets to Earth. It won't be able to use Minerva to activate the towers and reawaken the entire Faro Swarm again. Which is what it tried to do with Hades in the first game. Though there's still a good chance of it accessing the assets/facilities of the Far Zenith colonists on Earth or even reactivating the ancient Horus machines like in the Burning Shores.
Guerrilla Games really needs to handle the story of the third game carefully. They've hyped up Nemesis so it has to be a legitimate threat and not just Hades 2.0.
@@tonts5329imagine if nemesis starts mass printing machines lol we r focked
@@sxrthxk3938 Hopefully it won't just be printing off Sentinels. I imagine any machines it will print off or control will be modelled more like the war machines that wiped out humanity.
@@tonts5329 But also it knows about GAIA since it was the one who sent the extinction signal. Its like how Sylens said that there might be a way to beat Nemesis by searching for superweapons from 21st century, that i assume, would be top secret projects that weren't recorded in the APOLLO database or none of the Far Zenith were part of.
@@tonts5329 I was thinking the same thing. The thing that gave nemesis an advantage is it knew all codes and passwords and back doors to their system. If Aloy upgrades earth systems and codes it might not be able to take them out like it did with the Zeniths.
I'm confused about Tilda. She claims to be in love with Sobeck, yet wants to kidnap her clone and leave the world she rebuilt to die? It feels like a missed opportunity to show that maybe all Zeniths didn't suck so they could have another boss battle.
Well she regret that she and Elisabeth never stay togehter so like forever and ever and then after that was happend with nemesis she saw a Chance to get her back
What i want to say is she is crazy obsessed of Elisabeth and she think with aloy it is something familiar because Elisabeth she is kind her mom
Sry im german
I was wearing the same armor in this cutscene.
I was hoping to fight Gerard and a bit disappointed that he passed from Tilda's blast.
I figured from begining he was just a coward behind a shield.. he allways made erik do the fighting cause he couldnt..
I love the storyand the game series, but it's asking a bit much for the third game. A quasi preindustrial gaggle against a Kardashev I-to-II entity? And I thought Mass Effect had set itself too big of a foe to reasonably take on.
i doubt even if they did want to erase nemesis back when it was benign it they couldn't have just because if it knew everything it would know where to hide
Really hope the story continues in the burning shores dlc
Continuing stories via DLC? So game industry should be able to release unfinished game?
I wish tilda would just give up going away and live with the Elizabeth alloy now here on earth sence she care and love her. She says she reget it for 1000 years letting Elizabeth die. Now she have a chance to make it up and help this alloy to defeat nemesis in the next part 3 of horizon would be nice, but the developers didn't design the game this way. I just wish there will be more option to pick like the mass effect. Also i didnt want that black chick to die even if she was evil. People deserve another chance. I just hate to see characters that you spend time on a adventure dies.😭 i wanted tilda to lived!!!!
*Tilda calls Beta inferior*
Me: …….What did you say? 😡
I think that in the final epic fight against Nemesis they will somehow show this Massive AI conformed by negative emotions that the new world may be different to the old one, show him that the new tribes are not as shit as the zenith destructive mindset. That or Gaia will autodestruct herself with Nemesis after healing the planet letting it be completely habitable by the new humans.
I'm curious what Nemesis's motivation will be in the in third game because now all the Zeniths are dead its goal has been achieved. Will it get angry it couldn't finish them off itself? Will it be unable to make the distinction between Zenith and the rest of humanity? Will it blame the Earth's humans for interfering with its plans? I really hope they expand on the idea it is made up of human minds and not just have it be a typical extinction AI, we had that with Hades.
Is nemesis the final product of the rampant AI that hacked the faro bots or are they seperate?
So why does nemesis want to destroy the earth now if zeniths are dead?
The Zeniths developed immortality but had to resort to petty theft to have the ability to terraform a planet.
After watching moonfall. Think nemesis wil just look like that the ai who come from a long planet😂
Good god, this is like Gurren Lagann all over again 😳
That's a good thing BTW.
It's not.
I can hardly wait to see Nemesis live in Horizon 3
Nemesis is pretty much the love child of the Nano Swarm from Moonfall and the alien horrors that live inside the ring gates from The Expanse
Not really at all, if you were paying attention. It's just advanced AI, unlike both examples you had.
I recently got to - and past this part and got so mad when she turned on Aloy.
All of Far Zenith are dead now right? So... What reason exactly does nemesis have to destroy earth now?
Probably at this point it doesn't know all of Far Zenith is dead, but that's an easy to solve problem.
Also it's a bit rich that they say nemesis "gained sentience". You made it from the minds of human beings. Are you sure it wasn't always sentient?
More importantly, even though nemesis clearly has some twisted personalities, it's based on a collective of humans. Surely it can be reasoned with, have empathy or concern for anyone who wasn't involved in it's creation?
You could say it now doesn’t care of the zeniths now it wants to kill every living creature on earth
@@jesusdadiel9668 just in case. It was probably more concerned about wiping out anything that would think of shutting it down(humans)
@@xxxhero7275 yeah it’s another possibility, guess will find out in horizon 3
Knowing how the failed copies of the minds of New Zenith were merged to create Nemesis, it probably will want to wipe them all out "Out of spite" simply because Aloy beat it to it.
!! Warning potential spoilers for Horizon 3 !!
I think the third game could be interesting, i personally think Vast Silver might have caused the glitch in the faro robots, Vast Silver was an Ai that was created in the 2040s when elisabet sobeck was still working for ted faro, in 2044 he went rogue and escaped but soon was captured, i think it was a lie because i found a datapoint that hints that he wasn't captured and still free somewhere in the world, i think Vast Silver caused the glitch because he was scared of humanity, and he might appear in the third game imagine Vast Silver vs Nemesis.
All i want to know is how big nemesis is and how powerful because if it can make the zeniths run you know its strong
The whole 'Far Zenith' script was an interesting idea, but really far-fetched, better used for a third game's DLC. Which makes the 'Nemesis' plot device sounds more like fanfiction than a credible antagonist. They should have kept the story's focus on discovering the past and the politics of the present, rather than introducing some far-off element from literal outer space.
Tilda: Come be a lesbian with me in space! I have a thousand years of experience!
Me: Bro, what is this game bro!?! I thought we are hunting dinosaurs!
It’s like the Last of Us, in that this story isn’t center’d around the monsters we fight against
I hope there’s Horizon 3 I don’t know what it’ll be called but I hope there’s one please Guerrilla games make my wish come true.
I also never trusted Tilda and I’m glad I went with my Gut instinct
If PS5s are not common on store shelves by the time H3 releases, bruh...
Watch them make Nemesis into a humanoid A.I like Aloy, since he is in someway a genenic clone of Elizabeth Sobeck and she was created by “Machine” not women.
How would Nemesis have elizabeths genetic material to clone from?
@@Stupiddumbmanditoryhandle Same way Far Zenith did?
ARIA!!
Someone tell me the name of the track durning 1:25 please????
The biggest plot twist that completely made me shocked. We fought not with an army of divine-like humans, but with refugees, flying away from some more horrible creature.
You know, I created after this one small fanfic concept about next game. And here it is:
*Zenith Renegades called Utopians started Sirian Revolution 500 years ago, but they've lost and escaped to Earth from "FW Zeniths", called by them as Loyalists.
*Zeniths discovered Earth haven't got APOLLO database, but instead of land near GAIA they crash landed at Europe, western Asia and northern Africa.
*Between Dawners (people from Earth) and Zeniths (nicknamed as Sirians or Star People) waged conflict known as First Contact War for over a century.
*250 years before Horizon conflict ended and then modern states were born, mixed with both people.
*After Nemesis sent extinction signal that woke HADES Renegades started to study it, but meanwhile Great War started in Europe and later some of them started to colonize other parts of planet.
*During catching of HEPHAESTUS Aloy discover some Zenith are at Earth centuries before those Zenits from Forbidden West.
*Nemesis try to arrive, but instead it wait for something, sending synths (human-like machines) and other machines looking like those from human's fantasy stories (dragons, banshees etc.)
*Aloy and friends discover that at Antarctica there is constructed by FAS prison for AIs, that it fall because of VAST SILVER, which took control over "Duat Laboratories" and started Faro Plague.
*GAIA defeated VS but not destroyed. It's hiding in laboratories, unable to produce machine or send signal.
*Nemesis and VS working together for destroying life on Earth, but later Aloy discovers they instead trying to capture GAIA via connection (more powerful than her) and use terraformic system in order to create life on other planets, ripped them when they will be ready and thus have unlimited power for collective of Nemesis-VAST SILVER.
*Aloy finding Duat Laboratories and using EMP device to destroy Nemesis and VAST SILVER, but she safe GAIA from it. With it all electronic devices are wiped out from every datas and GAIA can capture them once again.
To be honest I don't believe Guerilla Games will read this fanfic, neither put some things from it into lore of Horizon 3 but who knows? Still, I'm not afraid of next game. They proved that they can create the most awesome lore and story for video game.😉
Bravo, love the lore you’ve built
@@lochness5524 Well, I'm creating some worlds and stories in my free time. However only a few can read it, because I'm writing in my native language - Polish. To be honest I'm trying with my own universe similar to Horizon. Named it Age of Stars, however it's more like science fantasy. Who knows, maybe some things from this little Horizon fanfic I will put to my story in the end.😛
why didn't she travel alone? Why did she fight aloy, i didn't get it. It makes no sense to fight at that point. Just go with a copy and let aloy deal with it herself
So the plots just devolved into a less interesting Mass effect 3 but only on a planet....fuckin hacks.
Mass Effect 3 on a planet, ya got me 🤣
Kinda dissapointed with the zenith, i was hoping for a more alien threat.
Yeah, the only actually alien there is Beta.
I wonder how powerful Nemesis is and whether it has a physical body?
"I wonder" is a statement, not a question.
Can someone help me explain....why did Tilda kill the Zeniths when her objective turned out is just as the same? i dont get it
It was because zenith wanted to kill Eloy she love Elizabeth and she coundlt stand to see her gone again.
@jonathanguevara4404 plus non of them trusted each other. Everyone of them was a narcissistic only going along for their own benefit
@@JohnG44 but then she is a boss fight lol
@@anthony1289She didnt want to kill alloy. She wanted bring her along, yes it was fight but her goal wasnt to kill her.
What if this is all one big Killzone prequel
Forbidden was so weak compared to the original game....
Sure was satisfying to finally understand what was going on but come on man....aloy would LITERALLY cross the entire fucking world but not turn ANOTHER CORNER in Thebes to look at ted faro? Yeah...
Story-wise - yes, everything else? HZD can’t hold a candle to HFW
There was a reason Aloy never saw what became of Ted. The writers wanted to leave up that interpretation up to us: Ted became a monster, but it's up to us to imagine how bad of a monster he had finally became.
I'd rather cross the entire world than catch a glimpse of a mangled, mutated mess of fleshy vines with a human face attached to it.
The writers actually talked about why Aloy didn’t do this. They didn’t want the game to delve into body horror, which I understand. Personally, I think the Lovecraftian approach of leaving the fear to the unknown works better.
So if all the Far Zeniths are dead at the end of Burning Shores, what has Nemesis got left to do?
Not all the Zeniths are dead. Only 18 of them descended to Earth from the Odyssey.
The Odyssey still has Zeniths on it.
Also it was Nemesis that originally sent the extinction signal to Hades in the first game. It hates all humans not just the Zeniths.
@@BM-wf9uf Where does it say there are more Zeniths on the Odyssey, and why didn't they come and help the others?
Nemesis is an unhinged rogue AI that has the mind of every egocentric Far Zenith so it cannot be reasoned with. It woke HADES to destroy earthly life and HADES complied despite only being created to reset life on earth if the terraforming system failed
Beta: Yeah, good to see you, too, sis...
Why do everyone whisper in this game?
*does
Oh yes, Horizon 3...but first...where is the dlc?
I have a feeling nemesis is gonna control much of the machines on earth. Kind of a repeated story if they go for that approach but it was real cool that theres a bigger villain out there
It wasn't shocking at all. The story was over and GG shoehorned in this as borderline deus ex machina in order to keep the third game alive. At some point in the writing they realised that they had finished the story and panicked, so this was shoved in. It's ham-fisted and a poor show when you consider the beauty of the writing in the first game. I wonder if the same people are even there anymore.
Imagine if nemesis is already here, imagine if beta is nemesis...... 🤯 Boom
they are all focked
damn, I would've gone with Tilda
Since all of far zenith is dead, nemesis.should abort its mission
I’m betting that nemesis is going to be a very cool and fun villain if they go the route I think they will it will probably project itself digitally as different zeniths throughout the game and having cool threatening and philosophical conversations with aloy at least that’s the route I would take if they don’t want to make a boring world ending villain
This is what I imagine what the golden age of technology was like in Warhammer 40K
This tech is almost magic
Aloy take Trinity's hand she knows the one, she will keep you safe. Let's go to space away from all the dying planet and nemesis, makes sense to me. I would had accepted that offer lol
That would've invalidated everything Aloy has worked for up to this point. Not to mention she'd leave her friends behind
Yes makes perfect Sense, just take Gaia and let an evil AI destroy and burn your home with all your loved ones
Make sure to remove the headgear for Aloy, all the headgear is repulsive to look at
Ready for Horizon III: Incoming Storm
god the second part of horizon is so derivative of the first one. the first one is masterpiece
I hope they use Travis tates voice and speech of when he sabotaged the Gaia copy they stole, giving it his personality and speech pattern as it’s killing them all.
I need to finish this. I got about 3/4 of the way and then got board with it. Game is good, story’s is good. But Imo they screw up skills armour and weapon so badly. If feels just took first game then threw into blender to see what sticks and what didn’t. IMO Aloy from first game would kicked Aloy ass from 2nd game. Imo first Aloy felt more Powerful from first game. Once you got all good gear max level.
Loved first game and DLCS. Couldn’t finished HFB, tried twice, once when playing on ps4. Then when got my ps5. Ported my game over ps5 Got about 3/4 done then got bored with it or moved into other games.