that face tracking article really shouldn't be broadly reported until we know they're not talking out their ass, its just a 3D model, not even a prototype.
I don't necessarily think it shouldn't be reported on. Even things that are bad or are suspicious should be reported on in order to put eyes on behavior that is not okay. However, we must remain skeptical and critic if they do anything stupid or out of line.
The Apple Vision Pro is not $3000...It's $3,500 and will actually be closer to $4,000 after taxes. That's absolutely absurd, even for their first go at it.
Apple can't go much cheaper. They have an entire device ecosystem that they rely on to stay in business. If they started giving MacOS functionality to Vision pro and refined the form factor it would single handedly destroy them.
definitely imo is to make it seem like a luxury item so the probably underpowered 1000 ish version will seem cheap in comparison at the very least it is them trying to broaden the industry to mainstream use
Heres to hoping that face tracking can become more accessible. I have the quest pro, but metas drivers are highly unstable (let alone for the quest pro) Looking forward to the Asus headset, we'll see how it does (or if it comes out lol)
I primarily use my Q3 to watch movies and videos. I’ve tried a Vision Pro and whilst it is amazing, I couldn’t justify spending an extra 3k for it. The Q3 is superb for films.
Removing scoreboard is absurdly stupid, I don't see the point at all. Whole reason I bought and continued to play games was due to achievements. I made it a mission that every game I played I 100%
12:30 ... apart from that, the overall downloads have increased in 2024. Looking only at the christmas day and putting out the bold headline " -27% for Meta App " is kinda picky and even misleading.
So, my question about the Asus headset is, if they are shipping with the Meta OS is, will we be able to access the apps that we have already bought via the quest store? For me this is the only MAJOR pull that would draw me to buy a different headset.
Big yes, that's the thing they're trying to do, be the android of VR , but with android XR coming idk what's gonna happen Maybe ios and android situation? But both having original and third party manufacturers?
@@FXV56 android XR will likely overtake MHOS, but that's still years away. MHOS is current and refined enough to be utilized and devices are already being built with it in mind. Samsungs headset will be the first to use AndroidXR as a potential mainstream device, which means bugs to sort through and refinement will still be needed.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 A lot of VR users hope that happens but knowing Google I just don't see it being a reality. They're gonna want instant success from a community that has been burned many times and as a result is cautious around new products and platforms. When that success doesn't happen, they may want to pull the plug like a lot of their other projects. The only way I can see it taking off is if they push VR into social and work platforms and make it something innovative, fun or both. The fact that Mark Zukerburg asked in a humble manner to Google for Playstore access and them refusing means Google is only thinking in dollar signs. While that is true for just about all major companies, Mark has shown many times a personal interest into VR losing billions of dollars on it. Google will make this VR/MR/XR product with a lot of competitive features, stop updating it after sales die down and then finally cancel support. EDIT: I've seen some comments saying the Google XR OS could come to non Meta Standalone headsets that are already on the market and that would be fucking huge, IF Google finds a fair way to make some money from it and support it long term.
Thanks for reporting on the potential Asus ROG VR headset. QLED and eye/face tracking is what I'm looking for in a new headset (especially as a replacement to my Quest Pro). I'm really excited to see what Asus comes up with. I hate the peeling of the controllers and I'm starting to get back into Beat Saber and I don't find the Quest Pro controllers as responsive as my Quest 3 or Index but I fully enjoy the beautiful QLED displays with local dimming and rich colors and the upgraded audio that almost no one talks about. The bass can go much deeper than either Quest 2 or 3 and even though the Valve Index is probably the best all around for audio, I still prefer the deeper bass of the Quest Pro, makes listening to music and movies in VRChat much nicer and I don't feel like I'm missing out.
I wonder if I could figure out a way of making a 3d print and fit some eye and face tracking onto a headset myself. Its already possible to print and assemble dirt cheap super high quality body trackers, maybe face tracking is possible too. To bad I am shit at coding and wouldnt be able to make software for it.
There is actually already DIY projects that do this that are entirely open source. Eyetrack VR for example is one that I'm personally planning on doing a project video on in the near future :)
Knowing that people are still experiencing VR on Fresnel lenses mortifies me greatly. I can't even say the 3S is worth an upgrade from the 2. The amount of times I've actually needed passthrough or have seen it integrated into a game that I played is probably 1% of my experience.
Fresnel was completely fine for VR for over a decade. The Quest 3S will be fine, as will its users be. If you're already on a Pancake based system, stop worrying about how others are enjoying VR. You are not superior
I just got the Apple Vision Pro yesterday. Finally convinced myself to try it for pcvr (sim racing) no controllers. And I have to say the visuals are great. The quest 3 would give me some eye strain after a few races and avp doesn’t. Have to have a really good home network for it to work Using alvr, I have no complaints other than the price tag. Was going to get pimax but we all know that nightmare train 😅
The Reason the downloads of Meta Horizon app are falling is probably because after a bit of playing stand alone game MANY people start playin PCVR tit hence the new Steam VR numbers, everyone I know has a quest is pretty Blown away when they see how much better games look and run through PC streaming, also the number of VR Mods for flat PC games has been steadily increasing and they are SO much FUN
I don't want eye tracking, it's a bit black mirror for my taste and eventually will be used to ensure you've watched every single moment of their adverts, before allowing you any further.
achievements are such a big part of gaming for me. I'd already moved my vr gaming from quest 2's OS to steam but I will literally never buy another game/product from meta. I'm probably overreating because im in a generally angry mood right now but I see almost no reason to buy from them now. There should be so much more uproar about this, they're removing features that we as consumers have bought and paid for
Using a apple vision pro and mq3 is kind of like using a Rolex and a smart watch. The Rolex, apple vision pro looks nicer inside and out but the smart watch, mq3 has more to offer. I remember back when I was in high school I was hella into wrist watches. Had all the fancy ones worth hundreds. Absolutely loved how amazing they looked. Eventually I got my first smart watch, the gear s3 frontier and was completely amazed by all the features it had. Especially the ability to use tap pay! After using the gear s3 frontier for a few months I decided to wear my normal watch and It felt so bland. All it did was tell time. I felt stripped of all the capabilities my Gear s 3 frontier had to offer.
I think they removed the achievements app because they don't want you to see how little your friends are playing Quest games by not seeing many achievements.
Scoreboard systems can be problematic due to cheaters. Granted cheaters _are_ the extreme minority of players, but they do tend to also be the most prominent due to being listed near or at the top of high score lists. I don't know if that's why they removed it. Even if it was the case it doesn't seem justified.
It was a strategic move by Mark before the new headsets are released so then he can now say that these are better than the Apple Vision Pro. The first statement was to keep the Q3 sales up, but now he has to retract the statement and say it’s better at something so that he can then come out with a new headset and go look we’ve beat them
Meta needs to let Apple boost their sales and somehow make a Meta games playable on AVP. (crossover, metal, GPTK, whiskey, etc) and allow their controllers. I have the surreal link controllers for AVP and it might replace my Meta Quest 3 for PCVR if it weren't for lack of all the standalone VR/MR games store Meta has.
Lenovo reminds me more of gaming than Asus. I don't really play standalone games, so the Meta achievements don't matter to me. I do love my Steam achievements though.
if you work in retail meta sold like hotcakes next to gaming laptops some retail paces sold 30 an day those numbers are more or less so accurate while the recent holiday say x-mas like sales once more i was tempted to buy an meta 3, but will not since i want an steam vr mk3 more, when it comes out instead.
Zuck going fully on board with elon and his anti-consumer policies really worries me for the future of Meta VR. Just 3 weeks ago, I was certain that the future of Threads on the fediverse and HorizonOS was secure but now I have no clue.
I thought the Quest pro was sold to developers,,, explaining the full cost & ordinary users could buy on there own risk that graph skip >> 12m,, look rather a down ward direction ,, maybe the quest has run out of steam as a product, like Apple's Vision Pro maybe,, maybe,, the future is LLM audio Guides and glasses or some such, which work with everybody's existing mobile phones maybe we are " seeing " the end of the Quest, and the birth of ,,, Android XR
Kind of odd to take the scoreboard down as competition is a masculine thing and zuck said on podcast that companies neuter men. Thought he was getting more based, apparently not.
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that face tracking article really shouldn't be broadly reported until we know they're not talking out their ass, its just a 3D model, not even a prototype.
Yes, I heard that their SDK is also a naughty bit of open source software that was never intended for commercial purposes.
@hiabex Wait is it just Babble?
@@ChrisD__ Most likely sadly
I don't necessarily think it shouldn't be reported on. Even things that are bad or are suspicious should be reported on in order to put eyes on behavior that is not okay. However, we must remain skeptical and critic if they do anything stupid or out of line.
@@TheMysticle 100%
Thank you so much for the information that you provide to some tech enthusiasts such as me, your channel is great for vr-ar ,xr news.
The Apple Vision Pro is not $3000...It's $3,500 and will actually be closer to $4,000 after taxes. That's absolutely absurd, even for their first go at it.
Apple can't go much cheaper. They have an entire device ecosystem that they rely on to stay in business. If they started giving MacOS functionality to Vision pro and refined the form factor it would single handedly destroy them.
definitely imo is to make it seem like a luxury item so the probably underpowered 1000 ish version will seem cheap in comparison at the very least it is them trying to broaden the industry to mainstream use
classic apple (derogatory)
Heres to hoping that face tracking can become more accessible.
I have the quest pro, but metas drivers are highly unstable (let alone for the quest pro)
Looking forward to the Asus headset, we'll see how it does (or if it comes out lol)
You can assemble and print yourself a babble face tracker for
I primarily use my Q3 to watch movies and videos. I’ve tried a Vision Pro and whilst it is amazing, I couldn’t justify spending an extra 3k for it. The Q3 is superb for films.
Removing scoreboard is absurdly stupid, I don't see the point at all. Whole reason I bought and continued to play games was due to achievements. I made it a mission that every game I played I 100%
Just waiting for the sidequest alternative to become available
12:30 ... apart from that, the overall downloads have increased in 2024. Looking only at the christmas day and putting out the bold headline " -27% for Meta App " is kinda picky and even misleading.
Thank you for keeping us updated!
So, my question about the Asus headset is, if they are shipping with the Meta OS is, will we be able to access the apps that we have already bought via the quest store? For me this is the only MAJOR pull that would draw me to buy a different headset.
Big yes, that's the thing they're trying to do, be the android of VR , but with android XR coming idk what's gonna happen
Maybe ios and android situation? But both having original and third party manufacturers?
Yes , you can use the apps you already bought as it will use the same store
@@FXV56 android XR will likely overtake MHOS, but that's still years away. MHOS is current and refined enough to be utilized and devices are already being built with it in mind. Samsungs headset will be the first to use AndroidXR as a potential mainstream device, which means bugs to sort through and refinement will still be needed.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 A lot of VR users hope that happens but knowing Google I just don't see it being a reality. They're gonna want instant success from a community that has been burned many times and as a result is cautious around new products and platforms. When that success doesn't happen, they may want to pull the plug like a lot of their other projects. The only way I can see it taking off is if they push VR into social and work platforms and make it something innovative, fun or both. The fact that Mark Zukerburg asked in a humble manner to Google for Playstore access and them refusing means Google is only thinking in dollar signs. While that is true for just about all major companies, Mark has shown many times a personal interest into VR losing billions of dollars on it.
Google will make this VR/MR/XR product with a lot of competitive features, stop updating it after sales die down and then finally cancel support.
EDIT: I've seen some comments saying the Google XR OS could come to non Meta Standalone headsets that are already on the market and that would be fucking huge, IF Google finds a fair way to make some money from it and support it long term.
Thanks for reporting on the potential Asus ROG VR headset. QLED and eye/face tracking is what I'm looking for in a new headset (especially as a replacement to my Quest Pro). I'm really excited to see what Asus comes up with.
I hate the peeling of the controllers and I'm starting to get back into Beat Saber and I don't find the Quest Pro controllers as responsive as my Quest 3 or Index but I fully enjoy the beautiful QLED displays with local dimming and rich colors and the upgraded audio that almost no one talks about. The bass can go much deeper than either Quest 2 or 3 and even though the Valve Index is probably the best all around for audio, I still prefer the deeper bass of the Quest Pro, makes listening to music and movies in VRChat much nicer and I don't feel like I'm missing out.
Happy Birthday!!!! Wszystkiego Najlepszego z Okazji Urodzin!!! 🎉
The 50$/€ discount is also available in Europe for the quest 3S 256gb
wait... *dobry wieczór wszystkim* ?
there is no dubbing option in this video
and yet I heard the beginning in my language
Because he is polish.
Why is always the Rift app always crashing randomly? any Fixes?
I wonder if I could figure out a way of making a 3d print and fit some eye and face tracking onto a headset myself. Its already possible to print and assemble dirt cheap super high quality body trackers, maybe face tracking is possible too. To bad I am shit at coding and wouldnt be able to make software for it.
There is actually already DIY projects that do this that are entirely open source. Eyetrack VR for example is one that I'm personally planning on doing a project video on in the near future :)
@@TheMysticle please do!!
There is also project babble for mouth tracking.
@@mcmadness110 guess its time for me to bust out the 3d printer again lol.
Knowing that people are still experiencing VR on Fresnel lenses mortifies me greatly. I can't even say the 3S is worth an upgrade from the 2. The amount of times I've actually needed passthrough or have seen it integrated into a game that I played is probably 1% of my experience.
Fresnel was completely fine for VR for over a decade. The Quest 3S will be fine, as will its users be. If you're already on a Pancake based system, stop worrying about how others are enjoying VR. You are not superior
I just got the Apple Vision Pro yesterday. Finally convinced myself to try it for pcvr (sim racing) no controllers. And I have to say the visuals are great. The quest 3 would give me some eye strain after a few races and avp doesn’t. Have to have a really good home network for it to work Using alvr, I have no complaints other than the price tag. Was going to get pimax but we all know that nightmare train 😅
I think Horizon OS would be a good add for Pimax Crystal.
Woohoo new video, Thanks for the great news bro!
The Reason the downloads of Meta Horizon app are falling is probably because after a bit of playing stand alone game MANY people start playin PCVR tit hence the new Steam VR numbers, everyone I know has a quest is pretty Blown away when they see how much better games look and run through PC streaming, also the number of VR Mods for flat PC games has been steadily increasing and they are SO much FUN
I also think people are tired of low res LCD headsets from Meta and want micro OLED headsets now. I know I do.
Or, and stick with me here, people who already have the app, don't need to keep downloading it.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 quite possible
11:25 it’s cause the games are 30-40$ and not something like 5-10-15$
Personally im not tryna spend $40 on a game on my quest.
I don't want eye tracking, it's a bit black mirror for my taste and eventually will be used to ensure you've watched every single moment of their adverts, before allowing you any further.
achievements are such a big part of gaming for me. I'd already moved my vr gaming from quest 2's OS to steam but I will literally never buy another game/product from meta. I'm probably overreating because im in a generally angry mood right now but I see almost no reason to buy from them now. There should be so much more uproar about this, they're removing features that we as consumers have bought and paid for
Nobody wants to say what the vision pro is for because They all like pretending they Didn't spend $3,500 To more thoroughly enjoy pornography.
Using a apple vision pro and mq3 is kind of like using a Rolex and a smart watch. The Rolex, apple vision pro looks nicer inside and out but the smart watch, mq3 has more to offer.
I remember back when I was in high school I was hella into wrist watches. Had all the fancy ones worth hundreds. Absolutely loved how amazing they looked. Eventually I got my first smart watch, the gear s3 frontier and was completely amazed by all the features it had. Especially the ability to use tap pay! After using the gear s3 frontier for a few months I decided to wear my normal watch and It felt so bland. All it did was tell time. I felt stripped of all the capabilities my Gear s 3 frontier had to offer.
I think they removed the achievements app because they don't want you to see how little your friends are playing Quest games by not seeing many achievements.
Scoreboard systems can be problematic due to cheaters. Granted cheaters _are_ the extreme minority of players, but they do tend to also be the most prominent due to being listed near or at the top of high score lists.
I don't know if that's why they removed it. Even if it was the case it doesn't seem justified.
It was a strategic move by Mark before the new headsets are released so then he can now say that these are better than the Apple Vision Pro. The first statement was to keep the Q3 sales up, but now he has to retract the statement and say it’s better at something so that he can then come out with a new headset and go look we’ve beat them
Meta needs to let Apple boost their sales and somehow make a Meta games playable on AVP. (crossover, metal, GPTK, whiskey, etc) and allow their controllers. I have the surreal link controllers for AVP and it might replace my Meta Quest 3 for PCVR if it weren't for lack of all the standalone VR/MR games store Meta has.
I was about to skip the sponsor but I realized in time that it's an Indie game 😛
wait are you polish?
I didn't even know scoreboards existed
Yea I upgraded from quest 1 to quest 3
am i crazy for returning my 3S to buy a quest 3? i didn't know they were discontinuing apps
yup Q2 will be next
3:44 yessss, finally. if Asus is in, more will join in no time.
Lenovo reminds me more of gaming than Asus. I don't really play standalone games, so the Meta achievements don't matter to me. I do love my Steam achievements though.
All that discount means is that meta doesn't feel ashamed that they ripped off early adopter fanboys by that exact amount. Praise them!
horizon os on other standalone headsets besides quest sounds awesome
Ha! Shows how much I pay attention to features on the Quest. I didn't even know they had achievements. Nor did I really care. Obviously. 🤣
if you work in retail meta sold like hotcakes next to gaming laptops some retail paces sold 30 an day those numbers are more or less so accurate while the recent holiday say x-mas like sales once more i was tempted to buy an meta 3, but will not since i want an steam vr mk3 more, when it comes out instead.
Meta Horizons app sucks to be honest. There is no creativity in the avatars. They will never replace VRC.
Zuck going fully on board with elon and his anti-consumer policies really worries me for the future of Meta VR. Just 3 weeks ago, I was certain that the future of Threads on the fediverse and HorizonOS was secure but now I have no clue.
Haha it's 'yearly' not 'jerky' 11:34
I thought the Quest pro was sold to developers,,, explaining the full cost & ordinary users could buy on there own risk
that graph skip >> 12m,, look rather a down ward direction ,, maybe the quest has run out of steam as a product, like Apple's Vision Pro
maybe,, maybe,, the future is LLM audio Guides and glasses or some such, which work with everybody's existing mobile phones
maybe we are " seeing " the end of the Quest, and the birth of ,,, Android XR
Kind of odd to take the scoreboard down as competition is a masculine thing and zuck said on podcast that companies neuter men. Thought he was getting more based, apparently not.
I wish standalone Minecraft worked again
the apple vision pro is 8000 EUR in EU new lol .
No, it's 4000,00 Euro at Apple Stores. (At least in Germany)
Any anti-user change can rightfully be assumed as pro-penny-pinching on business end, as a general rule~
Also fukzuk and his regressive knee-bending
О, тебе тоже добрый вечер/день :)
Thanks for interesting info!
Bracie czemu zacząłeś po polsku
Czemu nie? 😂
Kurwa ale sie zdziwilem na poczatku XD
haych em dee (HMD)
I will never buy a meta product again. i hope another head set comes out that is decently priced.
barely any comments, but w video
Asus is making a headset goodbye meta fun while it lasted 💀
its gonna be crazy expensive. meta aint going anywhere bro
"Good bye meta", *Asus uses Metas OS*
Hello Meta, thanks for helping Asus with VR, they never would've solved it without you.
What's with the weird voice
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This video had super broken audio. Did my best to fix it in post but this is the effect.
BARKKK BARKK im a furry yeah
Cool?
Ok vro
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Copy that
no you're not, it's called mental illness
hi testical
Hi first
True
literally one minute ago lol
Yay first :) ❤
Nope lol
meta bosses are cack cacka.
daily reminder to join the discord server
reason: trust me bro.