I appreciated your thoughts on Jeffrey Holland’s talk. It’s absurd that you can only reach heaven if you pay 10% of your earnings to enter the temple - where they practice Masonic beliefs and symbols - to be with God in the eternities.
I hoped to get saved. I cain’t really the afford $10% to get into the Celestial Kingdom. I’m happy to give what I can to help the poor, but I don’t trust that the LDS Church is doing their part.
Hope this helps: the Church does say 10%, but 10% of what? The Church explicitly leaves that as a decision between the individual member and God. Surplus is an entirely valid and defensible method, whereby every member can afford 10% because it’s definitionally 10% of what’s left after basic needs are met. Check out Mormonish Podcast, with BYP’s friends, Rebecca and Landon, episode 157 to learn more.
I had a similar reaction. Where Holland has typically gone after “Teddy Bear Jesus” in his promotion of orthodoxy, this time he also went after the angry, weapon-yielding Jesus (based on an exaggeration of throwing out the money changers). It was very balanced, and only troubling by context. But then he can’t help himself and declares his retrenchment, “WE STAY THE COURSE.” He is sincere, but there is a level of arrogance in the refusal to respond positively to internal feedback loops such as the pain of members or criticism.
So, my nephew is a counselor in the bishopric and I had the conversation with him about having to pay your tithing in order to enter the temple and receive its " blessings", and I asked him what about the members who are too poor to afford that? He then informed me that, in his ward they are still given temple recommends and allowed to enter. So, I guess the church has changed it's policies, again. I remember when I was a missionary, in the PI, we taught new members that they had to live the WoW and law of tithing for at least 1 yr before they could enter the temple and receive their endowments. The church is all over the place with it's rules that it's hard too know what the requirements are for salvation.😂😂😂😂😂😂. I guess they didn't get the memo from Jesus that it's only through Him that salvation comes, and not the church's masonic rituals.
Anyone who thinks the price at the gate is a paltry 10% is sadly mistaken. The actual price is 200% to 500% if you believe the first and great commandment and the parable of the talents.
I thought, "Hey, maybe Holland's near-death experience changed him. Maybe he saw something." But then, as you said.... Ugh. And then RMN with ALL the temple building. Talk about fulfilling prophesy (in a bad way). I can only listen to those talks at 3X speed.
I'm so disappointed in Holland. He used to be my favorite and I have met with him one on one in his office. At this point, I'm not sure he is innocent in misleading people. I hope that he can get out of the corporation and make himself an honest man one day. I wonder if it ispossible for them to get out of the 12 without getting offed or them completely ruining you.
Correction: Jesus wasn't arrested on the night of His transfiguration. He had been praying in the garden on the Mount of Olives when afterwards He was arrested. Great reaction BYP to Holland.
Are you suggesting that we can’t trust the prophets in the Bible, or that they were infallible? It's important to recognize that, throughout scripture, prophets were human and, like all of us, struggled at times to carry out God's commands perfectly. From Moses to Peter, every prophet made mistakes, but that doesn’t take away from their divine calling. In fact, their fallibility demonstrates that God accomplishes His perfect work through imperfect people. If you’re seeking a prophet who made no mistakes, you won’t find one. At times, policies created by prophets-even when well-intentioned-may need adjustments or changes when they don’t fully align with God's will. This process is part of the responsibility of leading a global church. The fact that prophets are fallible doesn’t negate their divine authority or their calling from God. God has always invited His children to enter into covenants with Him, and temple work is one of the ways we make new covenants or deepen our commitment to the Savior. The Church unequivocally teaches that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation. Additionally, the Church teaches-and most members understand-that everyone who sincerely strives to follow Christ and the Spirit will receive all that the Savior has to offer. This opportunity is extended to all, not just members of the Church. However, entering into covenants with God and Christ is required, and at this time, those covenants are made through temple ordinances. If God were to reveal another way in the future, it would be His prerogative to do so. I understand you may feel uncomfortable about certain aspects of the Church's resources or some of the prophets' teachings. However, rather than focusing on dissecting and potentially misunderstanding their words-much like the Pharisees of old-we should strive to understand what the prophets are teaching and why. Though not perfect, prophets are God's chosen mouthpieces.
That was swell thought out and unemotionally-delivered response/defense of your faith. You don’t always get that with a lot of the aggressive and overly-emotional Mormons these days. Kudos for keeping it civil.
“Matthew 24:24 says Jesus was the last prophet to listen to.” Huh? I read that it warns of false prophets, not the end of all prophecy. A call to beware of deceivers, not a proclamation that God's voice has gone silent. 💀
@@mormonbear4050good point. I’m a non-Mormon and I think that position isn’t supported by the text either. However, most of the NT should be treated with caution, especially due to Paul being co-opted and various letters being forged in his name…this and several other problems in the NT.
I appreciated your thoughts on Jeffrey Holland’s talk. It’s absurd that you can only reach heaven if you pay 10% of your earnings to enter the temple - where they practice Masonic beliefs and symbols - to be with God in the eternities.
It's rather like they are selling indulgences.
@@nadinehansen9241agreed
I hoped to get saved.
I cain’t really the afford $10% to get into the Celestial Kingdom. I’m happy to give what I can to help the poor, but I don’t trust that the LDS Church is doing their part.
Agreed
Hope this helps: the Church does say 10%, but 10% of what? The Church explicitly leaves that as a decision between the individual member and God. Surplus is an entirely valid and defensible method, whereby every member can afford 10% because it’s definitionally 10% of what’s left after basic needs are met.
Check out Mormonish Podcast, with BYP’s friends, Rebecca and Landon, episode 157 to learn more.
The first couple of minutes is a little rough. Sorry! It does clear up, not sure why my mic wasn't working very well.
I had a similar reaction. Where Holland has typically gone after “Teddy Bear Jesus” in his promotion of orthodoxy, this time he also went after the angry, weapon-yielding Jesus (based on an exaggeration of throwing out the money changers). It was very balanced, and only troubling by context.
But then he can’t help himself and declares his retrenchment, “WE STAY THE COURSE.” He is sincere, but there is a level of arrogance in the refusal to respond positively to internal feedback loops such as the pain of members or criticism.
BYP - your exposition is flawless!!!!! Thank you!!!!!
More to come. Thank you.
So, my nephew is a counselor in the bishopric and I had the conversation with him about having to pay your tithing in order to enter the temple and receive its " blessings", and I asked him what about the members who are too poor to afford that? He then informed me that, in his ward they are still given temple recommends and allowed to enter. So, I guess the church has changed it's policies, again. I remember when I was a missionary, in the PI, we taught new members that they had to live the WoW and law of tithing for at least 1 yr before they could enter the temple and receive their endowments. The church is all over the place with it's rules that it's hard too know what the requirements are for salvation.😂😂😂😂😂😂. I guess they didn't get the memo from Jesus that it's only through Him that salvation comes, and not the church's masonic rituals.
Most interesting!
Anyone who thinks the price at the gate is a paltry 10% is sadly mistaken. The actual price is 200% to 500% if you believe the first and great commandment and the parable of the talents.
I thought, "Hey, maybe Holland's near-death experience changed him. Maybe he saw something." But then, as you said.... Ugh. And then RMN with ALL the temple building. Talk about fulfilling prophesy (in a bad way). I can only listen to those talks at 3X speed.
Remember folks, LDS,Catholicism, JWs, etc. NONE OF THEM save. Only Jesus Christ saves from sin. Not Mary, not the pope, and certainly not smith!
The Catholic Church does not save the Pope came, died, rose, opened the gates of heaven.
@@kristinesharp6286 the pope did no such thing. He's just a man who craps like any other sinner.
@@georgerose1315 I didn’t say he did. Autocorrect changed said to save. And even the autocorrected sentence suggests sarcasm.
I'm so disappointed in Holland. He used to be my favorite and I have met with him one on one in his office. At this point, I'm not sure he is innocent in misleading people. I hope that he can get out of the corporation and make himself an honest man one day. I wonder if it ispossible for them to get out of the 12 without getting offed or them completely ruining you.
Thank you
Correction: Jesus wasn't arrested on the night of His transfiguration. He had been praying in the garden on the Mount of Olives when afterwards He was arrested.
Great reaction BYP to Holland.
Yes, I loved the first part of his talk as he spoke about Jesus.
Sanctimony on display
Thanks!
They don’t even mention Joseph Smith anymore
Well, the only reason they mention Jesus is to make sure and put the church above him with its exalting powers, ahead of Jesus who can only save you.
Nemo counted.
You can buy anything in this world with money
That’s to bad he used be my favorite speaker
Good I don't want to hear that pedophiles name!
You mean favorite liar
Your right, and if someone tell difference their don’t know the church doctrine
Are you suggesting that we can’t trust the prophets in the Bible, or that they were infallible? It's important to recognize that, throughout scripture, prophets were human and, like all of us, struggled at times to carry out God's commands perfectly. From Moses to Peter, every prophet made mistakes, but that doesn’t take away from their divine calling. In fact, their fallibility demonstrates that God accomplishes His perfect work through imperfect people. If you’re seeking a prophet who made no mistakes, you won’t find one.
At times, policies created by prophets-even when well-intentioned-may need adjustments or changes when they don’t fully align with God's will. This process is part of the responsibility of leading a global church. The fact that prophets are fallible doesn’t negate their divine authority or their calling from God.
God has always invited His children to enter into covenants with Him, and temple work is one of the ways we make new covenants or deepen our commitment to the Savior. The Church unequivocally teaches that Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation.
Additionally, the Church teaches-and most members understand-that everyone who sincerely strives to follow Christ and the Spirit will receive all that the Savior has to offer. This opportunity is extended to all, not just members of the Church. However, entering into covenants with God and Christ is required, and at this time, those covenants are made through temple ordinances. If God were to reveal another way in the future, it would be His prerogative to do so.
I understand you may feel uncomfortable about certain aspects of the Church's resources or some of the prophets' teachings. However, rather than focusing on dissecting and potentially misunderstanding their words-much like the Pharisees of old-we should strive to understand what the prophets are teaching and why. Though not perfect, prophets are God's chosen mouthpieces.
That was swell thought out and unemotionally-delivered response/defense of your faith. You don’t always get that with a lot of the aggressive and overly-emotional Mormons these days.
Kudos for keeping it civil.
Critics and their background preaching.
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You show your own hypocrisy with this video
I asked for proof, not cat calling....GRIN!
Matthew 24 24 says jesus was the last prophet to listen to. That all after him would be false prophets and apostles.
“Matthew 24:24 says Jesus was the last prophet to listen to.”
Huh?
I read that it warns of false prophets, not the end of all prophecy. A call to beware of deceivers, not a proclamation that God's voice has gone silent. 💀
So we should throw out almost the entire new Testament?
@@mormonbear4050good point. I’m a non-Mormon and I think that position isn’t supported by the text either.
However, most of the NT should be treated with caution, especially due to Paul being co-opted and various letters being forged in his name…this and several other problems in the NT.
Only Christ Saves. NOTHING and NO ONE can be added to that!
Give me a break.
He gave you the truth..
Nope. Only Brother Joseph is to be given a break, follow your leader and quit usurping breaks.......GRIN!
@@jacoblewis2961what truth?
@@sammiller4321 the truth that Mr Holland is a liar and the church is a fraudulent cult!...
@@sammiller4321that there shall not be anyone or thing between the individual and the gate, the Lord.