thanks for all your time in filming and building this bike very much appreciated. the internal guides for brake hoses are a massive upgrade from version 2. That was really hard for me to fish the front brake hose through the fork. Seems so much easier to build now. Great work winspace! ♥️
On your Winspace SLC 3.0 frame want would you say is the "max" tire clearance that you could ride on it. The website 32mm but when I look at videos looks like there could be more room.
Good question. Let me have a look and get back to you. Might be hard to be super specific as I can’t quite measure it and a 32 on a 25mm internal is a pretty wide road choice
@@thewattlife yeah I saw a video of a 28mm on that frame and still looked like a massive room for tires. Trying to figure out what the buffer is within reason, such as 2mm on each side for clearance? This would be for offroad, light gravel riding.
Great video it’s good to see the mistakes helps with building a bike the first time and looking out for mistakes but like you said no pain no gain . Thank you . Please build out an sl7 or Sl8 with sram thank you again. 💪🏻😎🚴♂️
When I ordered my Sram group set OEM they didn’t provide any screws as they said chain stays can have different depths. So I had to go in another website and specify my chainstay depth and order bolts separately accordingly.
The SLC3 looks like a beautiful bike with a really nice weight and quality for the price. However, it has one big flaw in my opinion, the headtube is 1 1/2", so it is very limited in compatibility for customisation to make the bike even lighter. They should have gone a bit more standard with 1 1/8" or at least 1 1/4" to increase compability.
@@thewattlife the unwritten standard was 1 1/8". Canyon loves 1 1/4". Chinese brands tend to be 1 1/2". SO the real losers are us consumers and the companies making 3rd party parts. It becomes a jungle, sadly. My Yoeleo R12 is also 1 1/2" so I just went with their internal headset. Luckily they have released a stem the solves a few of the issues, but not all. Basically, the jist is that there are no standard anymore.
my wilier's (actual not china-ilier) cable route does *not* allow me to just shove a line in (of anything anywhere) and have it pop out the other end! learned upgrading to 12sp. dare to dream!
Jeez mate, I know we all have to start somewhere but you certainly went about making that build as hard as possible for yourself. 10/10 for having the balls to to give it a go! Maybe before you do the next one watch some TH-cam videos on how to build a bike from scratch! 😂😂. We all make mistakes. I've been doing it for years and still make them. I think you were more bothered about creating content than doing the job. Next time you should build the bike without the camera running. Take it apart. Then do it again with the camera running! Piss poor preparation = piss poor performance! Well done for getting it together in the end. 👍😊
Haha building a bike is easy, running two cameras and a mic while shooting the whole thing yourself is hard. Putting a BB86 in and then removing it isn’t worth the hassle of doing it twice. She’s up and running now and she’s a beaut
@@thewattlife And you learned a lot. It's a win win. Thing is, a task has to be carried out, fitting pedals to cranks for example! Easy! If you watch 10 pro mechanics they'll all have their own way of doing it. There's no right or wrong way, there's just the way you're happy and comfortable with. You got the bike built, and made content and the bike is a dream to ride. There's no negatives. Great film, well done again. Keep em coming 👍😊
Max, fascinating to watch a build like this step by step. Did you build many bikes in the past? Did you learn by trial and error or did you get trained by a bike mechanic?
I learnt everything from youtube and relying on my slightly ADHD personality which get s a bit hyper fixated. haha This will be my 3rd full bike build and perviously ive only done one disc brake bike which was slightly easier as Sram have a lot of good tutorials and make things easy with the way things are produced. The BB86 pressfit was completely new and just a bit scary for someone whos never done it or seen it being done, but its in and works great.
@foobsTon a bike shop will charge you about £30 to install a press fit BB and £15 to cut a steerer tube. Other than that there isn’t anything that can’t be taken apart and re-done. You just need a bunch of alan keys and a torque wrench 👌🏻
I loved your T1550 content and look forward to this SLC3.0 videos. I just built up a T1550 and love it but how do you like the SLC3.0 so far? If you had to choose between both bikes which one would you pick? Is the SLC really a do it all bike like the Tarmac SL 8 or is it more of a climbing but that has some aero abilities? Also did Winspace change the geo like they did for their current bikes and the 2nd gen T1550 or does this mirror the old SLC2.0 geo?
Firstly, i think it LOOKS FANTASTIC. It looks like a bicycle and i love it for that reason. So this might sound crazy but on my first ride in my head i was like "this bike sits lower to the ground than the T1550" so i came home and measured the distance from the BB to the ground on both and i *think the geometry has the chain stays/fork angle set and you end up 10mm lower. The fork angle is more upright though so the riding position isnt as aggressive obviously. I havent been able to get hold of the white paper for the official geometry yet though. Will definitely review the SLC v's the T1550 Gen 1 after a few weeks on the road
@@thewattlife awesome. I know you probably only had a few rides on the new bike but can’t wait for a comparison. How’s the stiffness? I sold my Aethos frame to build the T1550 because I don’t climb that much where I live and because the stiffness on the Aethos was terrible.
Unfortunately at the moment i cant afford to run two bikes at the same time. I have to use the disc brakes, cranks, pedals and chainrings from my T1550. So other than those the T1550 is still built and if i can find them cheap i can run two bikes. but honestly i think in a few weeks ill put the Sram Force on the SLC 3.0 and run that as my main bike as i just think it looks so great and i want to compare it to the Specialized SL8
You have a good eye sir, I was using a 5mm spacer originally and it was sitting too flush and not pulling the system down into the steerer tube, so I just swapped it out for a 10mm spacer
I know this will be considered a boring yawny yawn kind of comment. But I'm sad they didn't make a rim brake version of this frame considering weight was their primary concern. I even reckon that's why it has BB86 instead of T47 to save weight. This frame would of been a prime reason for rim for a climbing machine. Great video all the same
It is a shame- and yes, I think the reason they kept it BB86 rather than T47 was to save weight. The truth is, brands like EnVe stopped making rim brakes because they have a life time warranty and rim brake users never had to buy another set of wheels as could always just keep returning them plus the build cost is more I should imagine. Having to build in a brake track. Frame manufacturers are following along with this. The death of the rim brake is being lead by wheel manufacturers
It's all about sales numbers unfortunately. Moulds cost money to produce and if they're not selling, manufacturers won't make them. I believe you can still buy the 2.0 in rim brake.
If you read the instructions for the crank properly and measure your bb shell and installed bb you would know how many spacers you need. Not really sram's fault
@@thewattlifehope this works docs.sram.com/en-US/publications/7unL17qdyCWxTL38aPmYJ0/UM%20-%20DUB%20Cranksets%20and%20Bottom%20Brackets?models=bb-dub-pf-a1#hashItem=dub-road-bottom-bracket-spacer-chart
That’s Not Safe for Work!!! There was a lot of swearing. Basically when I straitened the bars the wheel wouldn’t go under the frame!! Do not ask me how I got to that point without noticing. I was self filming and running two camera and a mic. 🎤
Absolutely nothing wrong with it and I actually love the geometry of it. Winspace asked if I’d like to review the new SLC 3 and I was delighted so I have the chance to ride it before it’s officially released. This has actually given me a chance to service my T1550 and I’m going to replace the Token Ninja BB as I don’t think it was doing a great job
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thanks for all your time in filming and building this bike very much appreciated. the internal guides for brake hoses are a massive upgrade from version 2. That was really hard for me to fish the front brake hose through the fork. Seems so much easier to build now. Great work winspace! ♥️
should have added some foam tubing over the rear brake hose to stop internal rattling.
Shake, rattle and roll baby! Yeah, I should have but I’m raw dogging this build. *Side note: you can hear the hydronic hose rattling in the frame 🫣
The chime ins make it awesome to watch 😂
I didnt include the footage of me sat on the floor crying when i thought i might have to redo the hydraulic cables...
@@thewattlife
😂😂
Was a great looking bike in person 👌
flat track with climbing bike and deep wheel. i try it once, my conclusion not much give speed either. low profile wheel is more fun.
On your Winspace SLC 3.0 frame want would you say is the "max" tire clearance that you could ride on it. The website 32mm but when I look at videos looks like there could be more room.
Good question. Let me have a look and get back to you. Might be hard to be super specific as I can’t quite measure it and a 32 on a 25mm internal is a pretty wide road choice
@@thewattlife yeah I saw a video of a 28mm on that frame and still looked like a massive room for tires. Trying to figure out what the buffer is within reason, such as 2mm on each side for clearance? This would be for offroad, light gravel riding.
Outstanding!
Thanks man
Great video it’s good to see the mistakes helps with building a bike the first time and looking out for mistakes but like you said no pain no gain . Thank you . Please build out an sl7 or Sl8 with sram thank you again. 💪🏻😎🚴♂️
The flat mount brake specification specifies bolt lengths.
When I ordered my Sram group set OEM they didn’t provide any screws as they said chain stays can have different depths. So I had to go in another website and specify my chainstay depth and order bolts separately accordingly.
The SLC3 looks like a beautiful bike with a really nice weight and quality for the price. However, it has one big flaw in my opinion, the headtube is 1 1/2", so it is very limited in compatibility for customisation to make the bike even lighter. They should have gone a bit more standard with 1 1/8" or at least 1 1/4" to increase compability.
I don’t know much about this but seems like something i should look into, thanks for sharing
@@thewattlife the unwritten standard was 1 1/8". Canyon loves 1 1/4". Chinese brands tend to be 1 1/2". SO the real losers are us consumers and the companies making 3rd party parts. It becomes a jungle, sadly. My Yoeleo R12 is also 1 1/2" so I just went with their internal headset. Luckily they have released a stem the solves a few of the issues, but not all.
Basically, the jist is that there are no standard anymore.
If you rotate the frame 90 degrees so the head tube is horizontal, something called gravity will hold it in place,
I heard Newton only discovered it after trying to build a disc brake carbon climbing bike
my wilier's (actual not china-ilier) cable route does *not* allow me to just shove a line in (of anything anywhere) and have it pop out the other end! learned upgrading to 12sp. dare to dream!
Having channels in the frame is a blessing and a curse. Makes re-routing a pain in the ass if you can’t get the cables with their connectors back out
Now you need a Cervelo S5 😉
Jeez mate, I know we all have to start somewhere but you certainly went about making that build as hard as possible for yourself. 10/10 for having the balls to to give it a go! Maybe before you do the next one watch some TH-cam videos on how to build a bike from scratch! 😂😂. We all make mistakes. I've been doing it for years and still make them. I think you were more bothered about creating content than doing the job. Next time you should build the bike without the camera running. Take it apart. Then do it again with the camera running! Piss poor preparation = piss poor performance! Well done for getting it together in the end. 👍😊
Haha building a bike is easy, running two cameras and a mic while shooting the whole thing yourself is hard.
Putting a BB86 in and then removing it isn’t worth the hassle of doing it twice.
She’s up and running now and she’s a beaut
@@thewattlife And you learned a lot. It's a win win. Thing is, a task has to be carried out, fitting pedals to cranks for example! Easy! If you watch 10 pro mechanics they'll all have their own way of doing it. There's no right or wrong way, there's just the way you're happy and comfortable with. You got the bike built, and made content and the bike is a dream to ride. There's no negatives. Great film, well done again. Keep em coming 👍😊
How does it ride compared to the t1550? Wondering if an aero frame is that much faster.
Max, fascinating to watch a build like this step by step. Did you build many bikes in the past? Did you learn by trial and error or did you get trained by a bike mechanic?
I learnt everything from youtube and relying on my slightly ADHD personality which get s a bit hyper fixated. haha This will be my 3rd full bike build and perviously ive only done one disc brake bike which was slightly easier as Sram have a lot of good tutorials and make things easy with the way things are produced.
The BB86 pressfit was completely new and just a bit scary for someone whos never done it or seen it being done, but its in and works great.
@@thewattlife
Fair play... The thought of doing something like that would terrify me as I know I would just f*CK it up... Expensively.
Nice build but just out of interest when ordering the frameset did you have to pay import tax..?
No. From the tracking info it seems like it’s shipped somewhere else first but don’t quote me on that
@foobsTon a bike shop will charge you about £30 to install a press fit BB and £15 to cut a steerer tube. Other than that there isn’t anything that can’t be taken apart and re-done.
You just need a bunch of alan keys and a torque wrench 👌🏻
I loved your T1550 content and look forward to this SLC3.0 videos. I just built up a T1550 and love it but how do you like the SLC3.0 so far? If you had to choose between both bikes which one would you pick? Is the SLC really a do it all bike like the Tarmac SL 8 or is it more of a climbing but that has some aero abilities? Also did Winspace change the geo like they did for their current bikes and the 2nd gen T1550 or does this mirror the old SLC2.0 geo?
Firstly, i think it LOOKS FANTASTIC. It looks like a bicycle and i love it for that reason.
So this might sound crazy but on my first ride in my head i was like "this bike sits lower to the ground than the T1550" so i came home and measured the distance from the BB to the ground on both and i *think the geometry has the chain stays/fork angle set and you end up 10mm lower. The fork angle is more upright though so the riding position isnt as aggressive obviously.
I havent been able to get hold of the white paper for the official geometry yet though.
Will definitely review the SLC v's the T1550 Gen 1 after a few weeks on the road
@@thewattlife awesome. I know you probably only had a few rides on the new bike but can’t wait for a comparison. How’s the stiffness? I sold my Aethos frame to build the T1550 because I don’t climb that much where I live and because the stiffness on the Aethos was terrible.
Bike is looking good! Will this be your main bike now, or is that stil lthe 1550?
Unfortunately at the moment i cant afford to run two bikes at the same time. I have to use the disc brakes, cranks, pedals and chainrings from my T1550. So other than those the T1550 is still built and if i can find them cheap i can run two bikes. but honestly i think in a few weeks ill put the Sram Force on the SLC 3.0 and run that as my main bike as i just think it looks so great and i want to compare it to the Specialized SL8
you didnt check if the disc mounts were machined square , this helps with disc rub at a later date
We did a bit of a frame check video previously, we talk about the finishing and QC on the mounts
Are you sure that the top stem bolt is below the top of the expansion plug?
You have a good eye sir, I was using a 5mm spacer originally and it was sitting too flush and not pulling the system down into the steerer tube, so I just swapped it out for a 10mm spacer
Ah- wait. Yeah I see what you mean. Yes it is. The top bolt clamps onto the steerer tube and not onto thin air!!!
Nice bike! I would not be confident cutting a fork myself...
It’s the easy bit- hack saw from DIY store and a fine toothed blade. Easy.
Breed the blakes! I want to see you get this under 7 👀 the bike is asking for it!
Roger that. When I swap a few things out I’ll try make it lighter…
Brand of bb press?
Seatpost that clamps top to bottom are far better. As you could run any rail and you don't have to knock it loose to adjust the angle 😅
Let's Roll!! 😁
LETS ROLL!!
sul loro sito non si trova questo modello ma solo il modello 2.0 (forse il precedente?)
@dumecrealab7655 It’s actually not released just yet, I believe it comes on sale within the next week.
@@thewattlife ok grazie mille! Sai se ha la certificazione UCI??
Yes, it’s UCI certified.
I know this will be considered a boring yawny yawn kind of comment. But I'm sad they didn't make a rim brake version of this frame considering weight was their primary concern. I even reckon that's why it has BB86 instead of T47 to save weight. This frame would of been a prime reason for rim for a climbing machine. Great video all the same
So true, Colnago just released a 2024 rim brake bike…why are other brands discontinuing their rim models
They don't want to have so many molds and/or skus @@matkrek
@@matkrek But the price is horrendous 😅6300 pounds
It is a shame- and yes, I think the reason they kept it BB86 rather than T47 was to save weight.
The truth is, brands like EnVe stopped making rim brakes because they have a life time warranty and rim brake users never had to buy another set of wheels as could always just keep returning them plus the build cost is more I should imagine. Having to build in a brake track.
Frame manufacturers are following along with this. The death of the rim brake is being lead by wheel manufacturers
It's all about sales numbers unfortunately. Moulds cost money to produce and if they're not selling, manufacturers won't make them. I believe you can still buy the 2.0 in rim brake.
so this build cost what? $6k+? im not sure if its worth this price over well known brand bikes.
Im doing a build cost video soon. Ill be comparing the price of this to the SL8 Tarmac PRO both with Sram Force.
If you read the instructions for the crank properly and measure your bb shell and installed bb you would know how many spacers you need. Not really sram's fault
Would you mind sharing a link to this information from Sram?
@@thewattlifehope this works
docs.sram.com/en-US/publications/7unL17qdyCWxTL38aPmYJ0/UM%20-%20DUB%20Cranksets%20and%20Bottom%20Brackets?models=bb-dub-pf-a1#hashItem=dub-road-bottom-bracket-spacer-chart
We want the video of your reaction to noticing it was wrong!!!!!
That’s Not Safe for Work!!! There was a lot of swearing.
Basically when I straitened the bars the wheel wouldn’t go under the frame!! Do not ask me how I got to that point without noticing. I was self filming and running two camera and a mic. 🎤
@@thewattlife 😂😂😂😂
Great video but please call those cables by their real name which is hoses.
I shall try- but i cant make any promises
Well done me… 🤣
get apron with front pocket
Ha maybe I need one
What was wrong with your old Winspace? LOL
Absolutely nothing wrong with it and I actually love the geometry of it. Winspace asked if I’d like to review the new SLC 3 and I was delighted so I have the chance to ride it before it’s officially released.
This has actually given me a chance to service my T1550 and I’m going to replace the Token Ninja BB as I don’t think it was doing a great job
Only trains arms 🤣
I call them torque wrenches 🔧 😜😏
Make sure u find a smaller shirt for next video
lol
Great video thanks for posting
It look like a tarmac, and heaps of ex specialized employees work for winspace and they use they're molds