This is by far the best tutorial on flap mixing on the 16iz that I have seen. Plain simple language explaining it clearly and slowly. Thank you so muck for taking the time to post it. Best wishes from the UK 🇬🇧
I just got the new 16IZ and this video is the best for describing many of the features. The flap section is especially good/ Thanks for taking the time to do for all of us. We appreciate your efforts.
Thank you thank you thank you. I have had the radio for a year and was getting discouraged. This is the only video I have found that explains in detail how to use this radio. I used JR radios 20 years ago so it has been quite the step to go to Futaba current system. You have helped me so much I have printed off the sheet and we’ll keep it with my radio again thank you.
RC Ron you are the master and I can't thank you enough for posting this video. I was setting up an Eflite model for flying by my house today and could not for the life of me figure out how to set flap positions on a switch........you obviously led the way to thinking outside the box for me as I also realized that just because one selects 2 ail.2flap that you don't actually have to use 2 seperate Rx slots for each functions.........just change the funtction name and viola. I was using the 1 ail selection and was dumbfounded that there was no "flap setting in the model menu. The 16iz is really loaded with features that you just opened the door to. I come from the radios of the late 60's so I always say that if one can't dial in a model with these new radios, then it just isn't a flyable model............Thank you so much for your time and easy step by step explanation. -Mike
Thank You for your kind words! I also started in the sixties; my first RC model was a single channel with Citizenship Radio using a rubber band powered actuator. It was amazing that fliers could actually do loops and spins with a single channel plane! I enjoyed those plane & radio combinations, but I thank God for the equipment advances we enjoy today!
what could be causing the RF to not turn on again after i turned it off......the instructions say " restart the power to transmit RF signals " on page 17 but no luck
I have used my transmitter and shut the RF power off per manual; I then shut transmitter off and then turned trans on. The blue LED came on after about 5 seconds as it should. I then went through the process to start range check, and it worked as described in manual & the blue RF LED came back on after 60 seconds; I then once again put transmitter in range check mode and cut range check short by pressing home/exit button and blue RF LED came back on. I also found out that if you turn off RF as described in manual, and then enter system menu, then select range check , that range check is available that way. I have done each of these several times with no problems. Since you have no RF signal, you may want to try going into system menu, selecting range check and allow it to run out the 60 seconds and see if that restores your RF? These are the only processes/functions that I know about that deal with RF being turned off. If that doesn't help, then you might want to call Futaba USA for assistance. I have found them very helpful.
@@rcron4849 if you go into the linkage menu and then go to throttle cut and turn the ACT / INH switch on and set the cut position to 0 you could be performing a loop and if you moved the stick full down the throttle cut would be activated and futaba don't want that to happen so the the RF doesn't work if you do that
Sorry it took me so long to answer you; sometimes LIFE just interferes with our plans. There is no speed adjustment for elevator here. If you use the separate servo speed adjustment, it will slow your elevator movement at all times, and I don't think that is wise. I have not had a chance to test it yet, but it may be possible to utilize the airbrake function to set the flap and elevator movement; this might work and then allow us to use the speed adjustment for flap and elevator which I think would only affect the elevator speed with movement of the switch and not movement of the elevator stick??? I will try and check this out soon!
Great video. The only think that is not clear to me is the Link function. What does it link to exactly and effect of +/- option. Are your left and right ailerons on separate channels and you link that mix to both of them?
I am sorry it has taken so long for me to reply; just have been unable. You have the right idea. The link controls whether this mix affects other mixes involving the same function. Example. I have a B-25, which has two separate flaps for each wing. Because of different angles at the trailing edge of wing, i have 2 flap channels, outboard and inboard. With many planes, when you deploy flaps and slow down for landing you might want a little more aileron authority. I can mix ailerons to outboard flaps, and gain additional ail response...it doesn't take much. The 16 IZ allows me to control mixing to other mixes already set up, for both master channel and slave. In this case for outboard flaps, if I turn link on with +, then both outboard flaps move together with AIL stick; if I select link -, both outboard flaps move in opposite directions with AIL stick. I very seldom use these link functions, but I use the trim functions quite often if using programmable mixes. I hope this gives you an idea how they are used. It is dependent on your particular set up, so play with the settings and see how they affect your setup.
@@rcron4849 Thank you for the explanation. The Futaba manual is not very clear regarding Link function. Also it looks like the Link function can be used only on preset functions by Futaba (Flap1-2, Flap3-4, etc.). I was unable to create my own functions that could be Linked. Maybe I am doing something wrong.
I am not sure what you are wanting to accomplish. In the flap/ail mix example, I was just wanting to show how the link function worked. In actuality, if I was wanting to mix my outboard flaps with AIL, I would have to have 2 separate channels for outboard flaps (LS & RS). This might help you; If I use the switch option at the top of page 2 to turn on the mix, then use a function (AIL) for my master, with flap as slave, then I have the LINK option available. If however I use Hardware as my master and assign the switch here, then assign flap as slave, I do not have the LINK option available. Link is only available when a function is used as master, rather than a switch or stick. I don't know if this helps or not?
Excellent Video! I was wondering how to select the position of the flaps regarding to the switch position! For instance when my switch SG is full up the flaps turn to speedbrakes position instead the clean configuration I want to be. I wanted the middle position of the switch to be T/O flaps and down position to be LDG flaps. Any ideas how to achieve that? Thank you
This is difficult, without seeing the settings you have in your transmitter. If I understand you correctly, your switch is simply operating reverse of what you desire. I assume you assigned your switch in the function menu as primary control for flaps. It depends how your servos are mounted as to your settings needed. In most warbirds, the servos are side-mounted to a wing hatch, such that when you are looking at the bottom of the wing ,the arm is visible and moving in a fore aft direction. If both flap servos are mounted such that the motor shafts of each servo are facing different directions, then one servo must be reversed to the other. I assume both of your servos are moving together? If all you need is for your switch to move the servos opposite to what they are now moving, it can be accomplished several ways; 1) go to the link menu, servo reverse function, and reverse both servos.; or 2) In model menu, flap setting, you can change the direction of one or both servos using negative and positive throw values. Let me know if this helps, or if we need to search some more.
Both the 14SG and the 16IZ have a speed setting for servos in the linkage menu. You are correct, the speed adjustment affects the servo speed all of the time, and I have seen no way to slow a servo using a switch setting. I will look further to see if there is something I overlooked. I have never used servo speed except on secondary features like bombay doors, and that just for appearance sake. Although it was not necessary, I did try it once for flaps, mainly for appearance sake when plane was on ground. I have flown most WW2 aircraft (P47, F4U, Spitfire, P51, F6F, T,28, FW, B25) as well as many other scale civilian planes and have found that although the speed and angle of descent vary, the same basic landing process works with all; At 180 degrees to landing touch down, cut throttle to about 50%, in about 2 seconds deploy 1st position flaps, then as I turn on final deploy full flaps, then control angle of descent and speed on final approach using primarily throttle. Most aircraft need very little elevator movement to prevent ballooning, 1/8 or 3/16th inch is usually all that is necessary, unless it is something like a cub, aeronaca, or some foamies that need a lot of movement on control surfaces. With most aircraft, (certainly not all) I find no elevator movement is necessary in 1st position flaps, just full flaps. To prevent ballooning, slowing elevator movement has never been desirable nor necessary for me, since the amount of elevator movement is so little. I don't think you want to slow the elevator all of the time. As for slowing the elevator servo all of the time, I have seen a few modelers slow servos to prevent sensitivity in the controls; thereto, using -30 to -40 degrees expo is a much better way of reducing sensitivity around the neutral area of the sticks. As I said I will look into this further, but so far as I know, there is no way of slowing elevator movement only with flap deployment.
@@rcron4849 Thanks for your reply. you are right in your examples you explained here. I also have a Spectrum IX12 that I only use on my smaller foamy planes (I don't trust spectrum on my big planes) and it automatically slows the elevator when the flaps are deployed and you can set the speed. I couldn't figure out how to do it on my 14mz either. The only reason I bought this 18mz is that my 14mz was just flat wearing out. One of the elevator trim switches quit working and you cannot get parts for it anymore unless you buy a spare. Not! so I just bought a new 18sz. I did see on another video that the person doing this said you have to slow the elevator in the mixes page. So when I get my radio, I'll play with it and see what I can come up with. The programming doesn't have to be this difficult! I've been using Futaba since the 80's and I've always bitched about that lol. Thanks again, and thanks for the great video!
Yes, follow the video exactly, and you will have 3 position flaps; no flaps with SW G back towards you, mid position on SW G for mid flaps and SW G forward gives full flap. Then in the video I showed elevator only for full flaps with switch G forward; that is because on most planes I fly, elevator does not need to be used for 1st position flaps, just full flaps; however you can set the elevator movement for 1st position flaps also. Notice in the video when you set the elevator movement with Switch G, there are 2 rate setting for elevator movement.
This is by far the best tutorial on flap mixing on the 16iz that I have seen. Plain simple language explaining it clearly and slowly. Thank you so muck for taking the time to post it. Best wishes from the UK 🇬🇧
Thanks for the input; I'm glad you found it helpful.
I just got the new 16IZ and this video is the best for describing many of the features. The flap section is especially good/ Thanks for taking the time to do for all of us. We appreciate your efforts.
Glad it was helpful! Your feedback is always appreciated.
Thank you thank you thank you. I have had the radio for a year and was getting discouraged. This is the only video I have found that explains in detail how to use this radio. I used JR radios 20 years ago so it has been quite the step to go to Futaba current system. You have helped me so much I have printed off the sheet and we’ll keep it with my radio again thank you.
You are very welcome
RC Ron you are the master and I can't thank you enough for posting this video. I was setting up an Eflite model for flying by my house today and could not for the life of me figure out how to set flap positions on a switch........you obviously led the way to thinking outside the box for me as I also realized that just because one selects 2 ail.2flap that you don't actually have to use 2 seperate Rx slots for each functions.........just change the funtction name and viola. I was using the 1 ail selection and was dumbfounded that there was no "flap setting in the model menu. The 16iz is really loaded with features that you just opened the door to. I come from the radios of the late 60's so I always say that if one can't dial in a model with these new radios, then it just isn't a flyable model............Thank you so much for your time and easy step by step explanation.
-Mike
Thank You for your kind words! I also started in the sixties; my first RC model was a single channel with Citizenship Radio using a rubber band powered actuator. It was amazing that fliers could actually do loops and spins with a single channel plane! I enjoyed those plane & radio combinations, but I thank God for the equipment advances we enjoy today!
Good on you for this. I'm going to use this shortly to set up. It's a great radio!
Glad you like it!
How about a video for flapperon with the same radio. Thanks for taking the time to make them, quite useful.
Good video and explanations, thank you.
what could be causing the RF to not turn on again after i turned it off......the instructions say " restart the power to transmit RF signals " on page 17 but no luck
I have used my transmitter and shut the RF power off per manual; I then shut transmitter off and then turned trans on. The blue LED came on after about 5 seconds as it should. I then went through the process to start range check, and it worked as described in manual & the blue RF LED came back on after 60 seconds; I then once again put transmitter in range check mode and cut range check short by pressing home/exit button and blue RF LED came back on. I also found out that if you turn off RF as described in manual, and then enter system menu, then select range check , that range check is available that way. I have done each of these several times with no problems. Since you have no RF signal, you may want to try going into system menu, selecting range check and allow it to run out the 60 seconds and see if that restores your RF? These are the only processes/functions that I know about that deal with RF being turned off. If that doesn't help, then you might want to call Futaba USA for assistance. I have found them very helpful.
@@rcron4849 if you go into the linkage menu and then go to throttle cut and turn the ACT / INH switch on and set the cut position to 0 you could be performing a loop and if you moved the stick full down the throttle cut would be activated and futaba don't want that to happen so the the RF doesn't work if you do that
Good info Neal, thanks for the input!
What if we want the flaps to move up and down slowly? How do setup the elevator to match the flap speed when the flaps go up and down?
Sorry it took me so long to answer you; sometimes LIFE just interferes with our plans. There is no speed adjustment for elevator here. If you use the separate servo speed adjustment, it will slow your elevator movement at all times, and I don't think that is wise. I have not had a chance to test it yet, but it may be possible to utilize the airbrake function to set the flap and elevator movement; this might work and then allow us to use the speed adjustment for flap and elevator which I think would only affect the elevator speed with movement of the switch and not movement of the elevator stick??? I will try and check this out soon!
Great video. The only think that is not clear to me is the Link function. What does it link to exactly and effect of +/- option. Are your left and right ailerons on separate channels and you link that mix to both of them?
I am sorry it has taken so long for me to reply; just have been unable. You have the right idea. The link controls whether this mix affects other mixes involving the same function. Example. I have a B-25, which has two separate flaps for each wing. Because of different angles at the trailing edge of wing, i have 2 flap channels, outboard and inboard. With many planes, when you deploy flaps and slow down for landing you might want a little more aileron authority. I can mix ailerons to outboard flaps, and gain additional ail response...it doesn't take much. The 16 IZ allows me to control mixing to other mixes already set up, for both master channel and slave. In this case for outboard flaps, if I turn link on with +, then both outboard flaps move together with AIL stick; if I select link -, both outboard flaps move in opposite directions with AIL stick. I very seldom use these link functions, but I use the trim functions quite often if using programmable mixes. I hope this gives you an idea how they are used. It is dependent on your particular set up, so play with the settings and see how they affect your setup.
@@rcron4849 Thank you for the explanation. The Futaba manual is not very clear regarding Link function. Also it looks like the Link function can be used only on preset functions by Futaba (Flap1-2, Flap3-4, etc.). I was unable to create my own functions that could be Linked. Maybe I am doing something wrong.
I am not sure what you are wanting to accomplish. In the flap/ail mix example, I was just wanting to show how the link function worked. In actuality, if I was wanting to mix my outboard flaps with AIL, I would have to have 2 separate channels for outboard flaps (LS & RS). This might help you; If I use the switch option at the top of page 2 to turn on the mix, then use a function (AIL) for my master, with flap as slave, then I have the LINK option available. If however I use Hardware as my master and assign the switch here, then assign flap as slave, I do not have the LINK option available. Link is only available when a function is used as master, rather than a switch or stick. I don't know if this helps or not?
Excellent Video! I was wondering how to select the position of the flaps regarding to the switch position! For instance when my switch SG is full up the flaps turn to speedbrakes position instead the clean configuration I want to be. I wanted the middle position of the switch to be T/O flaps and down position to be LDG flaps. Any ideas how to achieve that? Thank you
This is difficult, without seeing the settings you have in your transmitter. If I understand you correctly, your switch is simply operating reverse of what you desire. I assume you assigned your switch in the function menu as primary control for flaps. It depends how your servos are mounted as to your settings needed. In most warbirds, the servos are side-mounted to a wing hatch, such that when you are looking at the bottom of the wing ,the arm is visible and moving in a fore aft direction. If both flap servos are mounted such that the motor shafts of each servo are facing different directions, then one servo must be reversed to the other. I assume both of your servos are moving together? If all you need is for your switch to move the servos opposite to what they are now moving, it can be accomplished several ways; 1) go to the link menu, servo reverse function, and reverse both servos.; or 2) In model menu, flap setting, you can change the direction of one or both servos using negative and positive throw values. Let me know if this helps, or if we need to search some more.
how do you control the speed? I can get the flaps to move slowly but the elevator doesn't move slowly with the flaps.
Both the 14SG and the 16IZ have a speed setting for servos in the linkage menu. You are correct, the speed adjustment affects the servo speed all of the time, and I have seen no way to slow a servo using a switch setting. I will look further to see if there is something I overlooked. I have never used servo speed except on secondary features like bombay doors, and that just for appearance sake. Although it was not necessary, I did try it once for flaps, mainly for appearance sake when plane was on ground. I have flown most WW2 aircraft (P47, F4U, Spitfire, P51, F6F, T,28, FW, B25) as well as many other scale civilian planes and have found that although the speed and angle of descent vary, the same basic landing process works with all; At 180 degrees to landing touch down, cut throttle to about 50%, in about 2 seconds deploy 1st position flaps, then as I turn on final deploy full flaps, then control angle of descent and speed on final approach using primarily throttle. Most aircraft need very little elevator movement to prevent ballooning, 1/8 or 3/16th inch is usually all that is necessary, unless it is something like a cub, aeronaca, or some foamies that need a lot of movement on control surfaces. With most aircraft, (certainly not all) I find no elevator movement is necessary in 1st position flaps, just full flaps. To prevent ballooning, slowing elevator movement has never been desirable nor necessary for me, since the amount of elevator movement is so little.
I don't think you want to slow the elevator all of the time. As for slowing the elevator servo all of the time, I have seen a few modelers slow servos to prevent sensitivity in the controls; thereto, using -30 to -40 degrees expo is a much better way of reducing sensitivity around the neutral area of the sticks. As I said I will look into this further, but so far as I know, there is no way of slowing elevator movement only with flap deployment.
@@rcron4849 Thanks for your reply. you are right in your examples you explained here. I also have a Spectrum IX12 that I only use on my smaller foamy planes (I don't trust spectrum on my big planes) and it automatically slows the elevator when the flaps are deployed and you can set the speed. I couldn't figure out how to do it on my 14mz either. The only reason I bought this 18mz is that my 14mz was just flat wearing out. One of the elevator trim switches quit working and you cannot get parts for it anymore unless you buy a spare. Not! so I just bought a new 18sz. I did see on another video that the person doing this said you have to slow the elevator in the mixes page. So when I get my radio, I'll play with it and see what I can come up with. The programming doesn't have to be this difficult! I've been using Futaba since the 80's and I've always bitched about that lol. Thanks again, and thanks for the great video!
Can I adjust my elevator for each flap settings No flap Take off flap and full flap
Yes, follow the video exactly, and you will have 3 position flaps; no flaps with SW G back towards you, mid position on SW G for mid flaps and SW G forward gives full flap. Then in the video I showed elevator only for full flaps with switch G forward; that is because on most planes I fly, elevator does not need to be used for 1st position flaps, just full flaps; however you can set the elevator movement for 1st position flaps also. Notice in the video when you set the elevator movement with Switch G, there are 2 rate setting for elevator movement.