I know I'm tired. I run my own businesses, but the last couple weeks I can tell I don't feel respected or valued to the industry I am in. I have to admit I've been "Quite Quitting" now that you have placed a perspective on it. I need to do better.
@@biggmommadogacademy7935 Perhaps you need to raise your fees. For some strange reason, when people have to fork out the dough, it is followed by respect. When you give them something for free, they disrespect and abuse you.
@Amy - It's clear to me too and it is so unfortunate that this is happening after such a traumatic time we all went through with lockdowns and so many job losses. If someone is quietly quitting it means they are just running on fumes and are on autopilot.
I started doing this after attempts from all of my colleagues fell on deaf ears. An entire team quit and our managers said “ I can’t believe anyone wouldn’t want to work here” when we talk about our issues we are gaslighted. Suggestions we make are ignored. My mental health began suffering after all but myself and one other colleague left and I was being scheduled 12 hour shifts with no lunch breaks and having to hold my pee until their was someone to cover the desk. I started having panic attacks and breakin g down at work and was being spoken to like what’s the big deal and when I would ask for mental health time was guilted by my manager about her worry for my other team mates. Promises by management to touch base are forgotten. Customers are allowed to verbally abuse us without repercussion and new tasks keep getting dropped on us. After the most recent try to add more work to my plate I said not without a raise and the promptly said oh okay never mind then. When I find something else I won’t think twice about leaving. Not all work places care about their staff
I'm currently doing the job of two people because my coworker quit while I was on maternity leave. Nothing I left got dealt with, so I've been behind since March (and I came back after 6 weeks instead of taking all 12). Nothing makes me feel less valued than my boss asking in an email why something got dropped. Meanwhile, he's also dropping the ball on things. It makes me so angry when he has the gall to act like he doesn't know why a low priority task didn't get dealt with while I'm literally trying to put out fires all week. I then get to be ticked off about the email for hours and figure out how to politely say "well, I've been running around like a chicken with my head cut off, and while yes, that was on my ever growing to-do list, the low priority item that doesn't effect anything and hasn't reached it's breaking point didn't exactly take priority" The real kicker is I have a job I can absolutely do from home and my boss is too old school to let me. He made me take vacation instead of letting me work any hours from home (at night, after my husband was home to watch the baby) for 3 weeks when we had a problem finding care for our child. That's when I decide things at work could just stay on fire. You don't get to make me burn my benefit time when I'm willing to do the work and expect work off the clock. I don't care that I'm salaried, that was not happening.
That doesn't sound like quitting to me. That sounds more like doing your job. That said; I don't think I have ever worked a job where I was not expected to do things that was not in the job description. I was even fired from a job because I wouldn't just hop to it and grab hold of too hot to handle dishes and put them in the cupboard. The law requires a 30 minute lunch and two 15 minute breaks. I took maybe 10 minutes of that time to relax and relieve stress and allow the dishes to cool down a bit, and was terminated for it. I think it's one of the reasons I have not put a whole lot of effort getting back to work after being disabled because I know that regardless the employer, they will demand that I do something I am not physically capable of doing and the only one that will suffer for it is me. Then they'll probably terminate me for not being able to do something I told them up front I could not do and is not in the job description.
As someone else also explained in the comments the whole "quiet quitting" thing is named like that from management that want to create a stigma and force the employees to work more. In reality, it is just people realising that even by going above and beyond, they are not respected, recognised and compensated accordingly. As a result they havent decided to be lazy or stop working, they decided to do only what they are payed to do. This should be the norm. This is the healthy thing to do. Setting boundaries between your job and your personal time isnt "quite quitting". Is stop being the victim that works double without even hearing "thank you". In the process some people also quit, but that is independent from the rest. In most cases, a conversation wont solve any issue, mostly because management do not want to do anything. They are used to have 6 employees work for 10 and complain why this is not continuing. In many cases, if you say what is bothering you, you will get fired and with no reference from that place as well.
Very well said, this is my thoughts exactly. I don't like the term "quiet quitting" for the exact reasons you said. Its valuing your time, and not allowing yourself to be used.
Big difference with small businesses like yours vs large corporations. Every corporation I have worked for was toxic and not willing to hear what the workers had to say.
THIS!!!!!!! Seriously - caring is a superpower. Actually considering those you work with and for is drastically missing by so many that "quiet quitting" is truly the kindest option, for it reflects the lack of consideration they've received. Thank you for embodying the care many need through your words and actions, Amy.
I really appreciate your insights here. After a layoff and temp jobs where I worked pretty hard, but then not getting anything afterward, it became a little more difficult for me to want to work harder. Also, I think WFH and the pandemic is a reason for quiet quitting with no commutes and such. You can truly do your job within the time frame without thinking about something going wrong on the way to or from the office. But what I like best about what you're saying is the communication between supervisors/bosses and the employees about their career goals because it's something that has been sorely missing in my life thus far. You sound like such a great boss too with those questions. I wish I had that in some of my previous positions.
I think some of these tips, like having a conversation about working conditions, only works for certain business models. There's a lot of professions where this just doesn't fly. I was in public schools for 18 years and you could have these discussions until you were blue in the face and the reality is that it wasn't going to change. The meetings were the meetings, the committees were the committees, etc. There was very little that was changeable even at the admin. level. We had plenty of morale bulding conversations that amounted in nothing - summer came, we all regrouped, and came back next year to the same and more, but we were temporarily less tired. And there was no ladder to climb, no more or less success, just being stuck in the system bleeding you dry. So, yes, some become jaded and just work their contract. I did and then left to work in higher ed.
That explains why the k-12 public school system is in the mess it's in. Those that were just there for the money had no problem waiting to tenure out and get onto those committees where they could push less than stellar education standards. I don't think that people who go into education to raise up the next generation, and teach them to excel passed the current generation, are able to put up with the abusive nature of the dumb them down crowd. It's a hopeless battle if you appear to be the only one fighting a system that is intentionally standing in the way of progress.
Like nursing, social work, and many other public sector jobs, teaching is pushed as a "calling", and people are shamed who also want to make it a living. Weird that being a lawyer or a stock broker isn't a calling, even if it is compensated at a MUCH higher rate. Being a doctor isn't a "calling", it is regarded as a smart choice that will see you set for life. (Yes, I know that isn't always the reality. I know a lot of doctors. But that is the perception).
@@ladygrndr9424 I am well aware of the mentally deranged that think you're not supposed to be trying to make money, you're supposed to be just doing it for altruistic reasons or a calling. However, when the quality of a service or product is not up to par or goes down, it is criminal to ask for more money. In a free market, people spend their money elsewhere. That should be the case with educational dollars as well. The quality of American education has been diminishing since the 1960's all the while more and more money has been put into it. If paying teachers more money will fix the problem, then that problem should have been fixed long ago. The problem isn't spending too little money on education, the problem is that the American educational system is controlled by leftists marxists whose sole game is to overthrow the Constitutional republic we have. The only way to fix that problem, is to make sure that all educational dollars go with the child and the parent, the only person that has the child's best interest in mind; and not a third party brainwashing expert with a degree from a brainwashing institution called a college or university, decides what school the child goes too. If you take your automobile into a mechanic to have it repaired, and the mechanic does not do a satisfactory job, you take your auto to a mechanic that will fix the problem. When the new mechanic fixes the car, you don't take the money for the repair and give it to the mechanic that did an unsatisfactory job, you pay the good mechanic for the job. Nor do you take part of the money and give it to the bad mechanic, you give the entire payment to the good mechanic. Anyone that argues in favor of keeping a failed school system afloat subsidized with tax payer dollars that can achieve better results by spending the money in a school that does do a good job is just as much of the problem as the tenured educators that maintain poor standards and refuse to implement ideas that will lead to higher quality education. Having never made over 30K a year, I find it odd that educators claim they are not making enough at 60+ grand a year. If a person wants to get rich, the last place that person should think of working is in government. Public service is neither intended nor meant to make one wealthy that's why it's called; "a calling".
Great job; well thought out! You and I agree that the major problem is leaders who have no idea what they're doing when it comes to their employees. In the 17 years I was in management before I became a consultant, I always put employees first in training and consideration. If they worked extra hours because me, I made sure they got paid for it. If they worked extra hours on their own, I'd allow them to take paid time off, which I kept to myself. Appreciation goes a long way towards making employees feel like they're valued; how hard is that to do? 😏
I quietly quit when I realized my boss did not support me, searched for my errors, micromanaged my projects, and continued to overload me with work she couldn't finish herself.
Have had these important conversations about how the office could make better use of employee time and get productivity up. To several companies. Unfortunately a LOT of companies do not feel the need to change anything as long as it works for them. FOR THE COMPANY not you. Employers have always had the upper hand. If you don’t like the job, go and find another. There are 200 people looking for work at any given time and will probably work more for less pay. And no promise for moving up or getting promoted either. Companies won’t change. People do. The Great Resignation happened because most job environments and cultures are toxic. Quiet quitting is nothing new and has gone on for decades. So is “quiet firing”. Yeah it’s a thing look it up y’all. The code words are “learning to play the game”. Believing if you just work hard and overdeliver for the salary you make with a job description that uses “and any other tasks as needed” you are being taken as a sucker. It’s been the corporate model for decades. Some call it work smart. Some go work for themselves. There’s no point in working for companies unless they are truly not just talking the talk but walking the walk. A lot of companies like buzz words like “work life balance” until that balance interferes with what they think is their time ownership of you and your life. Do your research if you intend to work for a company and negotiate in writing what it is you are truly signing up for. Have a fresh pair of eyes look at it too like an attorney. I’m not kidding. You can be the best hard worker out there but you will not get promoted bc no one else is doing what you are doing and it’s a vicious horrible cycle.
Decades ago a company i loved sold our unit to a company who didn't care about anything and made work so bad little by little, a lot quit outright, others quiet quit, others keep working through stress and related health symptoms until they closed it out. I hit my point between the outright quitting and the temptation to quiet quit. I suffered a stress event and gave them the virtual "forget you" and walked out mid-day and never returned. It didn't affect my career; i told the truth, and it was the exception.
While I agree with what you are saying, it is very idealistic. When people went home, conversations stopped happening, and people stopped listening. It is sad really.
No one was listening in an office environment. What is great about being mobile and flexible with work is that people can do what they were hired for and call it. We don’t have to pretend we are buddies in order for you to do your job. We don’t have to be forced to hang out in bars or group outings to “build teamwork” which is code for upping productivity. Management doesn’t care if we are friends just get the work done. It’s a win win.
I am quite quitting on myself and my own working journey even though I almost just deal with me 😂😂😂, but my rule for now is: no emails, and no stressing about work from Friday to Sunday 😅
It's not only a matter of not being heard or cared for by your employer. I think it's more than being tired, or not feeling respected. I think it's a real "shift of paradigm" for a lot of Americans: you are (were) used to view your value in your job, and your advancing in your career as a measure of such value; but maybe more and more Americans are starting to view a job, even the most rewarding and creative ones, just as a mean to make a living, and that the "true" living is elsewhere: in your realtionships, your interests, your hobbies, in learning new things, in working (free) for social or environmental issues. In Italy (and in most of Europe) we say that you work to live, you don't live to work. And a lot of Americans who moved to Europe say that they did it also to remove themselves from the toxic job culture in USA.
Quiet Quitting sounds like a good thing. It sounds like setting boundaries with your place of work and only doing what's necessary. If you have a job you love then you would love to go above and beyond; you'd want to learn more. If it's an overworked environment you aren't interested in, it's likely to happen more. Communication and understanding between employees and employers is so important.
My husband has had 3 jobs now that were upfront about how they "didn't believe in raises". That means not even a cost of living adjustment. That means, every year in the job, you are paid LESS, until the company hits minimum wage. Paired with literally no career advancement in those positions, there is no incentive to do anything more than what they are compensated for, and to not stay any longer than absolutely necessary. Meaning that no one in that position who is competent enough to excel will stay long enough improve the processes related to that position. No one will build rapport with other departments to accelerate projects, or even develop rapport with their own team. In each of those jobs he saw new hires ghosting the company after a few weeks--sometimes after a day--voluntary overtime which turned into mandatory overtime, driving even more people to quit. Each of those companies has collapsed, or consolidated to other locations, or been bought out by competitors. And working in those environments decimated his confidence in his own worth, because he kept being told to his face that the experience he gained in those positions would never be acknowledged or compensated, and that the work he put in would never be respected. Not to mention that, as I said above, every competent person who could left, so those remaining were the people coasting to retirement or who were out of their depth and trying desperately to not let anyone find out, or who had "quiet quit" a decade ago and were playing games at their workstations half the day.
My employer has got the way to defeat "quiet quitting" - I don't even have a job description. Or rather, the various supervisors and managers, and HR personnel I answer to don't know what it is or even my job title, and when I've asked each of them what they think I do they've had wildly different answers. This isn't a case of large departments either. They literally each made up their own versions, did the bare minimum of communication that ensures misunderstandings happen, and went on to other stuff. I don't even think any of them know what the job posting said. In summary, no agreed upon job description = no such thing as quiet quitting.
At my old job I talked to management multiple times in the span of 8 years to fix things so I wouldn't have to do the job of 5 people when they have a full staff on and they always said they would fix things and they never did...other workers never did anything so I was forced to pickup the slack (I was a bartender for a national chain sports bar the last year and a half and a week before I quit I was the only person on the floor for the entire restaurant because the other servers scheduled just didn't show up...from 10 to 5 I was making all the drinks serving all the tables running all the food bussing all the tables seating all the tables picking up the phone for take out orders and yet the manager on duty had the whole ass audacity to call me lazy because I hadn't bussed all my tables even though only two were dirty and that was because they had just left and I hadn't gotten a chance to do it yet...he spent 1/3 of the shift in the office watching music videos on TH-cam while I had 12+ tables)...I am finally working in a better place now but yeah my management didn't care unless you were part of the friends group that hung out and smoked together outside of work... people are not just tired they are getting treated like trash like I was...some places and industries are worse than what I had to put up with...if I had the opportunity I definitely would have quiet quitted when I had the chance
Hi Amy. This is interesting. I’m curious how do you do it exactly for your assistants. Usually assistants would have 1:1 with the executives they are supporting to go over schedules, priorities and/or anything that the executive needs to make things happen. If you’re working in a fast paced environment, how could you have 1:1 to talk about your personal growth and career?
Imagine I was good performer previously and end up now I just can't perform at all. I feel my brains are cooked up plus with anxiety of why why why questions from management daily. 😭
Bless this "movement" they promote me WITHOUT me having to go above and beyond anymore. What's expected has become "extra" - keep up the bad work kiddos 🤣💀
When I worked fast food, your job was to do whatever you were asked to do. I thought quietly quitting would be when a content creator suddenly quit creating videos without notice. Or someone who slowly eased out of their job. This is interesting.
Opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated. There are certainly some who quiet quit because they truly are undervalued or poorly treated; however, MANY hop on the latest "trend." "Look at me! Look at how self assured I am! I'm going to quiet quit!" When they have always been a bare minimum employee. That opens up opportunity for high performers to find ways to demonstrate their value for additional opportunity. People don't get raises and promotions for showing up, they do it by showing they have value that the business is willing to pay for. You'll know if leadership doesn't care. If they don't, get the hell out and find somewhere that your talents are rewarded. But in the case they do, you have to care too. Find a sense of purpose and meaning in your work. It doesn't have to be your sole or even primary purpose, but just like a good leader cares, they also know who doesn't. If someone who works for me wants to quiet quit I'll give them a letter of recommendation to leave. I advocate for my direct reports stronger and harder than most managers. I have high expectations of them and even higher expectations of myself. My team is insanely supported and they enjoy working as part of a high performing team. And because they give extraordinary effort when they are at work, they enjoy tremendous work life balance. They are given the latitude for hybrid work. They have flexibility in their start and end times. If they work 36 hours this week and get all their responsibilities addressed, they get their full salary and I'm not hawking them to go find another 4-8 hours of work to do on "my time." They don't get bothered outside of work hours. They take vacations knowing that someone else will ensure they don't come back to double the work to clean up. They get paid conpetotively with fair and effective performance reviews. I can be confident that someone who joins my team just to quiet quit never had any intentions of doing more than the bare minimum on principle and I will gladly show them the door.
Your workplace is not the norm. Hard work in many places is often rewarded with more work and other people's work. Recognition is not worth anything if it doesn't come attached to dollar signs
@@LadyBoBannon solely attributing recognition to dollar signs only is part of the problem. Herzberg's two-factor theory, Maslow's hierarchy, and Douglas McGregor's X&Y theory have all demonstrated that people value other fulfilment in their workplace far more than just "dollar signs." If basic needs are met, purpose, meaning, responsibility, advancement, growth, achievement... These are all things MORE important to employees than money. I've worked at jobs that shovel cash at me but don't meet those more critical needs. They are soul-crushing and toxic. Money doesn't buy happiness. Personal responsibility has to be a part of the equation. You don't know that my workplace isn't the norm. All you know is your experience. Maybe your area doesn't have great employers. Ok, then move, or find one of the many employers offering remote work that do offer better conditions. People would rather be miserable than uncomfortable. It's easier to complain than do something about it.
I completely agree. I do a good job because of my personal integrity. I'm so sick.of fellow employees crying they don't get promotions and complaining, when they do not even do or only perform an average job. I recently left my job, and while it was not run well and did not pay enough, I left because it is difficult to work alongside incompetence and lazy people. I have integrity regardless of what I get paid or asked to do...because I do it for myself as well as the company. I think most quiet quitters are entitled people...sure there are others, but genr a lay speaking I find 50% of all employees could do a better job or care more, and they don't. It isn't just because of the comapny- it is because it is inherently WHO THEY ARE AS A PERSON.
Are you proud? Do you fell good about yourself? I can’t understand this mentality of just getting by. My self esteem is tied to how I do my job to the best of my abilities.
@@belle_thegoldiegirl tying yourself esteemed to accomplish what others are expecting of you is not healthy, it can consume you so fast, (not mentioning the fact that it’s the product of capitalism in schools). Untying your-self’s worth from the concept of “productivity” is kind of freeing regardless if it’s (the productivity) expected from yourself or not. We work to live. Not the other way around. It’s just an advice: getting your-self’s worth from an external source that may or may not be consistent won’t get you anywhere. Being content and centered within yourself regardless will. Sorry if this was unsolicited
@@commar6088 Thanks for sharing… my POV is that a person is most happy and satisfied by doing a job well done. It’s my thought that when you don’t give your best, (when you are physically and mentally ABLE), is not good for our personal self esteem regardless if industry or someone else is benefiting.. We are created for work. Our bodies are designed for it and our mental clarity can come from feeling good about a job well done. I’ve half assed things before. Yes, I skated by but in the long run, I did not feel good about being a slouch. JMO…
@@belle_thegoldiegirl I can’t for the life of me imagine living like that, the mere thought of it sounds really consuming and unnatural. if I get the chance to manage something one day, I will do my best to make sure those who work for me don’t live this way either, we come to work at time, we do our absolute best there ( half-assing btw is NOT what we are talking about here ), and then clock out at time and go live like we want to. No guilt for the work left undone because there’s always tomorrow to do our best again, no guilt for sitting still and relax either.
@@commar6088 You can’t imagine not being a slouch? I’m just saying do your job and not be lazy which is what quiet quitting implies. The mere use of the word “quitting” speaks volumes to me.
I love quiet quitters. Because of you lazy bastards I was able to put in the work, climb the ladder, and put myself in a position to fully retire at 48 years of age. Keep quitting, so people like me can realize their goals. So for me working hard and sacrificing when I was younger allows me now to live however I like. For me it was never about what's in the moment, it was about what I wanted my future to be. So do the minimum and work until you are 70.
I simply dont waste time with quit quitters. Its a egocentric way of get paid the same for doing less pretending that they are doing the what was asked .
I detest everything about quiet quitting. Pure laziness. Sometimes you HAVE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND to be successful!! It ALWAYS pays off in the end. ALWAYS. Maybe not immediately but rest assured you will be paid for your actions or LACK THEREOF. Bosses are tired of meager workers who want upper management pay.
But what if you don't want to climb a ladder? I did it for 18 years - worked the extra hours, lived my job. Now I don't and guess what? I'm no less successful! I went from bruning myself out as a teacher to a college professor and do half the work I used to. There's a difference between doing your job well and burning yourself out. Time does not equate to success, your ability and your talent do. And as someone who finished a PhD, I assure you I'm not lazy. I just no longer want to operate in the factory-based system you're describing.
It’s wonderful that you want to do a good job for yourself. That is you. If you are willing to go above and beyond and have your work ethic be taken advantage of, that’s on you. If a company doesn’t come through for me when I have exhausted myself enthusiastically tap dancing with increasing responsibilities and meeting impossible deadlines that I never got so much as a thank you for let alone a salary increase and title change. Instead, come review time I got a lot of excuses and bs tossed at me instead. So I would end up asking for changes and got the runaround. Meanwhile they are just lovvvvving my productivity and fellow employees are telling me I’m making them look bad. I’d come in early, work late and cover weekends. Never got promoted Why? Because I had now become too valuable being the office step and fetch it. The only loser on the scenario was me. The system is set up to watch you fail. Sad to say it but what’s being talked about here isn’t anything new or just happened during rona. This was happening for decades. It was called working smart to work your exact hours and fulfill your job description details that’s it go home. you heard of quiet firing? Again something that’s happened for decades and nothing new.
I think you’re underestimating how political corporate America can be. Sometimes people work real hard and still don’t get the recognition, promotion, or pay increase they deserve. Sometimes it’s not what you know but who you know. It’s not at all about laziness. It’s deciding you’re worth more and looking around for a better opportunity.
@@belle_thegoldiegirl One can still do their job to the best of their ability while not allowing the work place to take advantage of them... Quite Quitting isnt about not doing your job... its kinda been renamed "Acting your wage"... I do my job and I do my job well... but I dont define myself by my job, nor do I sacrifice my happiness and mental health for a job that, honestly, doesnt really care about you.
No one likes the answer to be so simple, but it's very clear to me. What do you think?
I know I'm tired. I run my own businesses, but the last couple weeks I can tell I don't feel respected or valued to the industry I am in. I have to admit I've been "Quite Quitting" now that you have placed a perspective on it. I need to do better.
@@biggmommadogacademy7935
Perhaps you need to raise your fees.
For some strange reason, when people have to fork out the dough, it is followed by respect.
When you give them something for free, they disrespect and abuse you.
A question just crossed my mind.
Isn't expecting an employee to go above and beyond the call of duty, having an entitlement attitude?
@Amy - It's clear to me too and it is so unfortunate that this is happening after such a traumatic time we all went through with lockdowns and so many job losses. If someone is quietly quitting it means they are just running on fumes and are on autopilot.
It’s not about people not caring - it’s about people not feeling valued and compensated accordingly.
And leadership needs to care in order for that to happen.
@@AmyTV but it doesn't in a lot a careers. 🤷🏻♂️
I started doing this after attempts from all of my colleagues fell on deaf ears. An entire team quit and our managers said “ I can’t believe anyone wouldn’t want to work here” when we talk about our issues we are gaslighted. Suggestions we make are ignored. My mental health began suffering after all but myself and one other colleague left and I was being scheduled 12 hour shifts with no lunch breaks and having to hold my pee until their was someone to cover the desk. I started having panic attacks and breakin g down at work and was being spoken to like what’s the big deal and when I would ask for mental health time was guilted by my manager about her worry for my other team mates. Promises by management to touch base are forgotten. Customers are allowed to verbally abuse us without repercussion and new tasks keep getting dropped on us. After the most recent try to add more work to my plate I said not without a raise and the promptly said oh okay never mind then. When I find something else I won’t think twice about leaving. Not all work places care about their staff
I'm currently doing the job of two people because my coworker quit while I was on maternity leave. Nothing I left got dealt with, so I've been behind since March (and I came back after 6 weeks instead of taking all 12).
Nothing makes me feel less valued than my boss asking in an email why something got dropped. Meanwhile, he's also dropping the ball on things. It makes me so angry when he has the gall to act like he doesn't know why a low priority task didn't get dealt with while I'm literally trying to put out fires all week. I then get to be ticked off about the email for hours and figure out how to politely say "well, I've been running around like a chicken with my head cut off, and while yes, that was on my ever growing to-do list, the low priority item that doesn't effect anything and hasn't reached it's breaking point didn't exactly take priority"
The real kicker is I have a job I can absolutely do from home and my boss is too old school to let me. He made me take vacation instead of letting me work any hours from home (at night, after my husband was home to watch the baby) for 3 weeks when we had a problem finding care for our child. That's when I decide things at work could just stay on fire. You don't get to make me burn my benefit time when I'm willing to do the work and expect work off the clock. I don't care that I'm salaried, that was not happening.
That doesn't sound like quitting to me.
That sounds more like doing your job.
That said;
I don't think I have ever worked a job where I was not expected to do things that was not in the job description.
I was even fired from a job because I wouldn't just hop to it and grab hold of too hot to handle dishes and put them in the cupboard.
The law requires a 30 minute lunch and two 15 minute breaks. I took maybe 10 minutes of that time to relax and relieve stress and allow the dishes to cool down a bit, and was terminated for it.
I think it's one of the reasons I have not put a whole lot of effort getting back to work after being disabled because I know that regardless the employer, they will demand that I do something I am not physically capable of doing and the only one that will suffer for it is me. Then they'll probably terminate me for not being able to do something I told them up front I could not do and is not in the job description.
As someone else also explained in the comments the whole "quiet quitting" thing is named like that from management that want to create a stigma and force the employees to work more. In reality, it is just people realising that even by going above and beyond, they are not respected, recognised and compensated accordingly. As a result they havent decided to be lazy or stop working, they decided to do only what they are payed to do. This should be the norm. This is the healthy thing to do. Setting boundaries between your job and your personal time isnt "quite quitting". Is stop being the victim that works double without even hearing "thank you". In the process some people also quit, but that is independent from the rest. In most cases, a conversation wont solve any issue, mostly because management do not want to do anything. They are used to have 6 employees work for 10 and complain why this is not continuing. In many cases, if you say what is bothering you, you will get fired and with no reference from that place as well.
EXACTLY my thoughts 👏
Very well said, this is my thoughts exactly. I don't like the term "quiet quitting" for the exact reasons you said. Its valuing your time, and not allowing yourself to be used.
Big difference with small businesses like yours vs large corporations. Every corporation I have worked for was toxic and not willing to hear what the workers had to say.
THIS!!!!!!! Seriously - caring is a superpower. Actually considering those you work with and for is drastically missing by so many that "quiet quitting" is truly the kindest option, for it reflects the lack of consideration they've received. Thank you for embodying the care many need through your words and actions, Amy.
Every job description ever: "and any other tasks as assigned"
I really appreciate your insights here. After a layoff and temp jobs where I worked pretty hard, but then not getting anything afterward, it became a little more difficult for me to want to work harder. Also, I think WFH and the pandemic is a reason for quiet quitting with no commutes and such. You can truly do your job within the time frame without thinking about something going wrong on the way to or from the office. But what I like best about what you're saying is the communication between supervisors/bosses and the employees about their career goals because it's something that has been sorely missing in my life thus far. You sound like such a great boss too with those questions. I wish I had that in some of my previous positions.
I think some of these tips, like having a conversation about working conditions, only works for certain business models. There's a lot of professions where this just doesn't fly. I was in public schools for 18 years and you could have these discussions until you were blue in the face and the reality is that it wasn't going to change. The meetings were the meetings, the committees were the committees, etc. There was very little that was changeable even at the admin. level. We had plenty of morale bulding conversations that amounted in nothing - summer came, we all regrouped, and came back next year to the same and more, but we were temporarily less tired. And there was no ladder to climb, no more or less success, just being stuck in the system bleeding you dry. So, yes, some become jaded and just work their contract. I did and then left to work in higher ed.
That explains why the k-12 public school system is in the mess it's in.
Those that were just there for the money had no problem waiting to tenure out and get onto those committees where they could push less than stellar education standards.
I don't think that people who go into education to raise up the next generation, and teach them to excel passed the current generation, are able to put up with the abusive nature of the dumb them down crowd.
It's a hopeless battle if you appear to be the only one fighting a system that is intentionally standing in the way of progress.
Like nursing, social work, and many other public sector jobs, teaching is pushed as a "calling", and people are shamed who also want to make it a living. Weird that being a lawyer or a stock broker isn't a calling, even if it is compensated at a MUCH higher rate. Being a doctor isn't a "calling", it is regarded as a smart choice that will see you set for life. (Yes, I know that isn't always the reality. I know a lot of doctors. But that is the perception).
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I am well aware of the mentally deranged that think you're not supposed to be trying to make money, you're supposed to be just doing it for altruistic reasons or a calling.
However, when the quality of a service or product is not up to par or goes down, it is criminal to ask for more money. In a free market, people spend their money elsewhere. That should be the case with educational dollars as well.
The quality of American education has been diminishing since the 1960's all the while more and more money has been put into it. If paying teachers more money will fix the problem, then that problem should have been fixed long ago.
The problem isn't spending too little money on education, the problem is that the American educational system is controlled by leftists marxists whose sole game is to overthrow the Constitutional republic we have. The only way to fix that problem, is to make sure that all educational dollars go with the child and the parent, the only person that has the child's best interest in mind; and not a third party brainwashing expert with a degree from a brainwashing institution called a college or university, decides what school the child goes too.
If you take your automobile into a mechanic to have it repaired, and the mechanic does not do a satisfactory job, you take your auto to a mechanic that will fix the problem. When the new mechanic fixes the car, you don't take the money for the repair and give it to the mechanic that did an unsatisfactory job, you pay the good mechanic for the job. Nor do you take part of the money and give it to the bad mechanic, you give the entire payment to the good mechanic.
Anyone that argues in favor of keeping a failed school system afloat subsidized with tax payer dollars that can achieve better results by spending the money in a school that does do a good job is just as much of the problem as the tenured educators that maintain poor standards and refuse to implement ideas that will lead to higher quality education.
Having never made over 30K a year, I find it odd that educators claim they are not making enough at 60+ grand a year. If a person wants to get rich, the last place that person should think of working is in government. Public service is neither intended nor meant to make one wealthy that's why it's called; "a calling".
Great job; well thought out! You and I agree that the major problem is leaders who have no idea what they're doing when it comes to their employees. In the 17 years I was in management before I became a consultant, I always put employees first in training and consideration. If they worked extra hours because me, I made sure they got paid for it. If they worked extra hours on their own, I'd allow them to take paid time off, which I kept to myself. Appreciation goes a long way towards making employees feel like they're valued; how hard is that to do? 😏
I quietly quit when I realized my boss did not support me, searched for my errors, micromanaged my projects, and continued to overload me with work she couldn't finish herself.
Have had these important conversations about how the office could make better use of employee time and get productivity up. To several companies. Unfortunately a LOT of companies do not feel the need to change anything as long as it works for them. FOR THE COMPANY not you. Employers have always had the upper hand. If you don’t like the job, go and find another. There are 200 people looking for work at any given time and will probably work more for less pay. And no promise for moving up or getting promoted either. Companies won’t change. People do. The Great Resignation happened because most job environments and cultures are toxic. Quiet quitting is nothing new and has gone on for decades. So is “quiet firing”. Yeah it’s a thing look it up y’all. The code words are “learning to play the game”. Believing if you just work hard and overdeliver for the salary you make with a job description that uses “and any other tasks as needed” you are being taken as a sucker. It’s been the corporate model for decades. Some call it work smart. Some go work for themselves. There’s no point in working for companies unless they are truly not just talking the talk but walking the walk. A lot of companies like buzz words like “work life balance” until that balance interferes with what they think is their time ownership of you and your life. Do your research if you intend to work for a company and negotiate in writing what it is you are truly signing up for. Have a fresh pair of eyes look at it too like an attorney. I’m not kidding. You can be the best hard worker out there but you will not get promoted bc no one else is doing what you are doing and it’s a vicious horrible cycle.
Decades ago a company i loved sold our unit to a company who didn't care about anything and made work so bad little by little, a lot quit outright, others quiet quit, others keep working through stress and related health symptoms until they closed it out. I hit my point between the outright quitting and the temptation to quiet quit. I suffered a stress event and gave them the virtual "forget you" and walked out mid-day and never returned. It didn't affect my career; i told the truth, and it was the exception.
While I agree with what you are saying, it is very idealistic. When people went home, conversations stopped happening, and people stopped listening. It is sad really.
No one was listening in an office environment. What is great about being mobile and flexible with work is that people can do what they were hired for and call it. We don’t have to pretend we are buddies in order for you to do your job. We don’t have to be forced to hang out in bars or group outings to “build teamwork” which is code for upping productivity. Management doesn’t care if we are friends just get the work done. It’s a win win.
I am quite quitting on myself and my own working journey even though I almost just deal with me 😂😂😂, but my rule for now is: no emails, and no stressing about work from Friday to Sunday 😅
It's not only a matter of not being heard or cared for by your employer. I think it's more than being tired, or not feeling respected. I think it's a real "shift of paradigm" for a lot of Americans: you are (were) used to view your value in your job, and your advancing in your career as a measure of such value; but maybe more and more Americans are starting to view a job, even the most rewarding and creative ones, just as a mean to make a living, and that the "true" living is elsewhere: in your realtionships, your interests, your hobbies, in learning new things, in working (free) for social or environmental issues. In Italy (and in most of Europe) we say that you work to live, you don't live to work. And a lot of Americans who moved to Europe say that they did it also to remove themselves from the toxic job culture in USA.
Quiet Quitting sounds like a good thing. It sounds like setting boundaries with your place of work and only doing what's necessary. If you have a job you love then you would love to go above and beyond; you'd want to learn more. If it's an overworked environment you aren't interested in, it's likely to happen more. Communication and understanding between employees and employers is so important.
My husband has had 3 jobs now that were upfront about how they "didn't believe in raises". That means not even a cost of living adjustment. That means, every year in the job, you are paid LESS, until the company hits minimum wage. Paired with literally no career advancement in those positions, there is no incentive to do anything more than what they are compensated for, and to not stay any longer than absolutely necessary. Meaning that no one in that position who is competent enough to excel will stay long enough improve the processes related to that position. No one will build rapport with other departments to accelerate projects, or even develop rapport with their own team. In each of those jobs he saw new hires ghosting the company after a few weeks--sometimes after a day--voluntary overtime which turned into mandatory overtime, driving even more people to quit. Each of those companies has collapsed, or consolidated to other locations, or been bought out by competitors. And working in those environments decimated his confidence in his own worth, because he kept being told to his face that the experience he gained in those positions would never be acknowledged or compensated, and that the work he put in would never be respected. Not to mention that, as I said above, every competent person who could left, so those remaining were the people coasting to retirement or who were out of their depth and trying desperately to not let anyone find out, or who had "quiet quit" a decade ago and were playing games at their workstations half the day.
I love that you get this and I love that my boss also gets it. It isn't the job I want but it means a lot that I have a boss that values me.
My employer has got the way to defeat "quiet quitting" - I don't even have a job description. Or rather, the various supervisors and managers, and HR personnel I answer to don't know what it is or even my job title, and when I've asked each of them what they think I do they've had wildly different answers. This isn't a case of large departments either. They literally each made up their own versions, did the bare minimum of communication that ensures misunderstandings happen, and went on to other stuff. I don't even think any of them know what the job posting said.
In summary, no agreed upon job description = no such thing as quiet quitting.
At my old job I talked to management multiple times in the span of 8 years to fix things so I wouldn't have to do the job of 5 people when they have a full staff on and they always said they would fix things and they never did...other workers never did anything so I was forced to pickup the slack (I was a bartender for a national chain sports bar the last year and a half and a week before I quit I was the only person on the floor for the entire restaurant because the other servers scheduled just didn't show up...from 10 to 5 I was making all the drinks serving all the tables running all the food bussing all the tables seating all the tables picking up the phone for take out orders and yet the manager on duty had the whole ass audacity to call me lazy because I hadn't bussed all my tables even though only two were dirty and that was because they had just left and I hadn't gotten a chance to do it yet...he spent 1/3 of the shift in the office watching music videos on TH-cam while I had 12+ tables)...I am finally working in a better place now but yeah my management didn't care unless you were part of the friends group that hung out and smoked together outside of work... people are not just tired they are getting treated like trash like I was...some places and industries are worse than what I had to put up with...if I had the opportunity I definitely would have quiet quitted when I had the chance
This video makes us feel heard and thank you for that 💕
Love this Amy. Beautifully said ❤
Hi Amy. This is interesting. I’m curious how do you do it exactly for your assistants. Usually assistants would have 1:1 with the executives they are supporting to go over schedules, priorities and/or anything that the executive needs to make things happen. If you’re working in a fast paced environment, how could you have 1:1 to talk about your personal growth and career?
Soooo true! Great video
The more the rich cut back on employees the more I can care less to work harder.
thank you for this information you beatiful girl
Imagine I was good performer previously and end up now I just can't perform at all. I feel my brains are cooked up plus with anxiety of why why why questions from management daily. 😭
Bless this "movement" they promote me WITHOUT me having to go above and beyond anymore.
What's expected has become "extra" - keep up the bad work kiddos 🤣💀
son of a b! i needed this today BAD! im literally about to have that conversation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People don't have those conversations because they don't work. Employers aren't willing to play continuing employees their worth.
When I worked fast food, your job was to do whatever you were asked to do. I thought quietly quitting would be when a content creator suddenly quit creating videos without notice. Or someone who slowly eased out of their job. This is interesting.
Interesting thoughts.
Another very important topic!:)
Preach it girl... 🥰💯
What if you're the leader and you're quiet quitting? 🤫
During monthly 1:1 she requires a form/script. Do you have any thing similar? You mentioned the topics you utilize during touch bases.
Opportunity lurks where responsibility has been abdicated. There are certainly some who quiet quit because they truly are undervalued or poorly treated; however, MANY hop on the latest "trend." "Look at me! Look at how self assured I am! I'm going to quiet quit!" When they have always been a bare minimum employee. That opens up opportunity for high performers to find ways to demonstrate their value for additional opportunity.
People don't get raises and promotions for showing up, they do it by showing they have value that the business is willing to pay for. You'll know if leadership doesn't care. If they don't, get the hell out and find somewhere that your talents are rewarded. But in the case they do, you have to care too. Find a sense of purpose and meaning in your work. It doesn't have to be your sole or even primary purpose, but just like a good leader cares, they also know who doesn't.
If someone who works for me wants to quiet quit I'll give them a letter of recommendation to leave. I advocate for my direct reports stronger and harder than most managers. I have high expectations of them and even higher expectations of myself. My team is insanely supported and they enjoy working as part of a high performing team. And because they give extraordinary effort when they are at work, they enjoy tremendous work life balance. They are given the latitude for hybrid work. They have flexibility in their start and end times. If they work 36 hours this week and get all their responsibilities addressed, they get their full salary and I'm not hawking them to go find another 4-8 hours of work to do on "my time." They don't get bothered outside of work hours. They take vacations knowing that someone else will ensure they don't come back to double the work to clean up. They get paid conpetotively with fair and effective performance reviews. I can be confident that someone who joins my team just to quiet quit never had any intentions of doing more than the bare minimum on principle and I will gladly show them the door.
Your workplace is not the norm. Hard work in many places is often rewarded with more work and other people's work. Recognition is not worth anything if it doesn't come attached to dollar signs
@@LadyBoBannon solely attributing recognition to dollar signs only is part of the problem. Herzberg's two-factor theory, Maslow's hierarchy, and Douglas McGregor's X&Y theory have all demonstrated that people value other fulfilment in their workplace far more than just "dollar signs." If basic needs are met, purpose, meaning, responsibility, advancement, growth, achievement... These are all things MORE important to employees than money. I've worked at jobs that shovel cash at me but don't meet those more critical needs. They are soul-crushing and toxic. Money doesn't buy happiness. Personal responsibility has to be a part of the equation. You don't know that my workplace isn't the norm. All you know is your experience. Maybe your area doesn't have great employers. Ok, then move, or find one of the many employers offering remote work that do offer better conditions.
People would rather be miserable than uncomfortable. It's easier to complain than do something about it.
I completely agree. I do a good job because of my personal integrity. I'm so sick.of fellow employees crying they don't get promotions and complaining, when they do not even do or only perform an average job. I recently left my job, and while it was not run well and did not pay enough, I left because it is difficult to work alongside incompetence and lazy people. I have integrity regardless of what I get paid or asked to do...because I do it for myself as well as the company. I think most quiet quitters are entitled people...sure there are others, but genr a lay speaking I find 50% of all employees could do a better job or care more, and they don't. It isn't just because of the comapny- it is because it is inherently WHO THEY ARE AS A PERSON.
You're a rare breed Amy. That's all I have to say.
I have quite quit all my life
Are you proud? Do you fell good about yourself? I can’t understand this mentality of just getting by. My self esteem is tied to how I do my job to the best of my abilities.
@@belle_thegoldiegirl tying yourself esteemed to accomplish what others are expecting of you is not healthy, it can consume you so fast, (not mentioning the fact that it’s the product of capitalism in schools). Untying your-self’s worth from the concept of “productivity” is kind of freeing regardless if it’s (the productivity) expected from yourself or not. We work to live. Not the other way around. It’s just an advice: getting your-self’s worth from an external source that may or may not be consistent won’t get you anywhere. Being content and centered within yourself regardless will.
Sorry if this was unsolicited
@@commar6088 Thanks for sharing… my POV is that a person is most happy and satisfied by doing a job well done. It’s my thought that when you don’t give your best, (when you are physically and mentally ABLE), is not good for our personal self esteem regardless if industry or someone else is benefiting.. We are created for work. Our bodies are designed for it and our mental clarity can come from feeling good about a job well done. I’ve half assed things before. Yes, I skated by but in the long run, I did not feel good about being a slouch. JMO…
@@belle_thegoldiegirl I can’t for the life of me imagine living like that, the mere thought of it sounds really consuming and unnatural. if I get the chance to manage something one day, I will do my best to make sure those who work for me don’t live this way either, we come to work at time, we do our absolute best there ( half-assing btw is NOT what we are talking about here ), and then clock out at time and go live like we want to. No guilt for the work left undone because there’s always tomorrow to do our best again, no guilt for sitting still and relax either.
@@commar6088 You can’t imagine not being a slouch? I’m just saying do your job and not be lazy which is what quiet quitting implies. The mere use of the word “quitting” speaks volumes to me.
whoever's doing your thumbnails needs to step up their game. love the content though!
I love quiet quitters. Because of you lazy bastards I was able to put in the work, climb the ladder, and put myself in a position to fully retire at 48 years of age. Keep quitting, so people like me can realize their goals. So for me working hard and sacrificing when I was younger allows me now to live however I like. For me it was never about what's in the moment, it was about what I wanted my future to be. So do the minimum and work until you are 70.
I simply dont waste time with quit quitters.
Its a egocentric way of get paid the same for doing less pretending that they are doing the what was asked .
I detest everything about quiet quitting. Pure laziness. Sometimes you HAVE TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND to be successful!! It ALWAYS pays off in the end. ALWAYS. Maybe not immediately but rest assured you will be paid for your actions or LACK THEREOF. Bosses are tired of meager workers who want upper management pay.
But what if you don't want to climb a ladder? I did it for 18 years - worked the extra hours, lived my job. Now I don't and guess what? I'm no less successful! I went from bruning myself out as a teacher to a college professor and do half the work I used to. There's a difference between doing your job well and burning yourself out. Time does not equate to success, your ability and your talent do. And as someone who finished a PhD, I assure you I'm not lazy. I just no longer want to operate in the factory-based system you're describing.
@@christinegreen3974 It’s about doing a job well done and feeling your best about your work ethic.
It’s wonderful that you want to do a good job for yourself. That is you. If you are willing to go above and beyond and have your work ethic be taken advantage of, that’s on you. If a company doesn’t come through for me when I have exhausted myself enthusiastically tap dancing with increasing responsibilities and meeting impossible deadlines that I never got so much as a thank you for let alone a salary increase and title change. Instead, come review time I got a lot of excuses and bs tossed at me instead. So I would end up asking for changes and got the runaround. Meanwhile they are just lovvvvving my productivity and fellow employees are telling me I’m making them look bad. I’d come in early, work late and cover weekends. Never got promoted Why? Because I had now become too valuable being the office step and fetch it. The only loser on the scenario was me. The system is set up to watch you fail. Sad to say it but what’s being talked about here isn’t anything new or just happened during rona. This was happening for decades. It was called working smart to work your exact hours and fulfill your job description details that’s it go home. you heard of quiet firing? Again something that’s happened for decades and nothing new.
I think you’re underestimating how political corporate America can be. Sometimes people work real hard and still don’t get the recognition, promotion, or pay increase they deserve. Sometimes it’s not what you know but who you know. It’s not at all about laziness. It’s deciding you’re worth more and looking around for a better opportunity.
@@belle_thegoldiegirl One can still do their job to the best of their ability while not allowing the work place to take advantage of them... Quite Quitting isnt about not doing your job... its kinda been renamed "Acting your wage"... I do my job and I do my job well... but I dont define myself by my job, nor do I sacrifice my happiness and mental health for a job that, honestly, doesnt really care about you.